Two amatuers lock down entire U.S. city. by oldenglanddry

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Uh, Oldengland, I think it's happened, maybe a few time, y'know? Like in India, and England, and, and,...yes?

By the way, are you a Brit, if you don't mind my asking? I've wondered now and again but you've never said. I appreciate voices from outside our cloistered country; you guys often get news we never do, and definitely perspectives we don't often hear.

As to Boston, I'm not sure what else they do, with a guy loose like this. What do you think would happen elsewhere? No snark there, I'm truly interested.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 9:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Uggh... lefties disgust me with the way they drop down on their knees and open their mouths to anyone who is British. Just move there already.

"By the way, are you a Brit, if you don't mind my asking? I've wondered now and again but you've never said. I appreciate voices from outside our cloistered country; you guys often get news we never do, and definitely perspectives we don't often hear."

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:08 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Uggh... lefties disgust me with the way they drop down on their knees and open their mouths to anyone who is British. Just move there already.

"By the way, are you a Brit, if you don't mind my asking? I've wondered now and again but you've never said. I appreciate voices from outside our cloistered country; you guys often get news we never do, and definitely perspectives we don't often hear."

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

Ah, so we can add xenophobic to the list of fucked up things about you?

I weep for the child you poison.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:21 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Leave Wulfy alone, extremists have rights too........get it, extremists, right......I crack me up......;-)

SGG an equal opportunity offender

Quote:
Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Uggh... lefties disgust me with the way they drop down on their knees and open their mouths to anyone who is British. Just move there already.

"By the way, are you a Brit, if you don't mind my asking? I've wondered now and again but you've never said. I appreciate voices from outside our cloistered country; you guys often get news we never do, and definitely perspectives we don't often hear."

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

Ah, so we can add xenophobic to the list of fucked up things about you?

I weep for the child you poison.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:32 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

We may have been caught with our proverbial pants down, but the response has been rather swift. We'll learn a thing or two and hopefully be ready for the next go round. Oh yeah, this may very well happen again.

But I do get it. what if the guys were truly smart and well trained, not to say that these guys weren't trained somewhere, but they were either too arrogant or too stupid and had no plan of escape.

Smart move on law enforcement's part to cut off public ground transport, and they must have known that the airports would be covered. Well, one down and one to go. Bravo to the cops, FBI etc.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I wonder what would happen if some "real" terrorists decided to launch a coordinated attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:42 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Ah, so we can add xenophobic to the list of fucked up things about you?

You didn't already know that, Mark? Well, can't blame you; paying attention to the pathetic spew which emanates from Wulf usually isn't worth remembering...and who wants to know more about him, anyway?

SGG, yer cute.

From what I've been hearing, these guys weren't very on the ball...which just shows how much damage even stupid people can cause. The father was being interviewed over in Russia, interview stopped because he just got taken away by authorities, poor guy. He's been spouting that it's a frame up, but also claiming stuff that either the kids lied to him about or he's lying about (sounds like the kids to me, about being a boxer with a title and so forth...which means dad's not to on top of things either...). Just a mess all around, and horribly sad.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 11:27 AM

Yes Niki, I'm English, it's no longer PC to refer to ourselves as British, it offends the Scots, Welsh and Irish republicans.
My point is that after more than ten years of fighting the "War on terror", two boys have managed to turn Boston into a Swazenegger-esque movie scene. As to how it would be dealt with in the UK, there would probably be less panic but more deaths as our police are a lot more "thin on the ground". We're very good at preventing incidents of organised terror due to our experience with the IRA etc, but this kind of spontaneous act is still more likely to slip through the net than not.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 12:55 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I wonder what would happen if some "real" terrorists decided to launch a coordinated attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651

My thoughts too.

I first question the decision to wait almost a full day to release the photos of the 2 brothers to the public. That right there was time wasted which could have been used by law enforcement to get the public's help in tracking these guys down.

Also, how in the hell does a 19 yr old kid, no military training, in a full out gun fight, get behind a wheel of a car which is being riddled w/ bullets, drive past ( through ? ) a police barricade, and then disappear into the wee hours of the morning, when freaking every cop in that part of the state is right in the vicinity ??

And 15 hours later, he's STILL not captured ?

I have to smirk at the 'praise' being given to the law enforcement involved here.

I get that tactical order and precautions must be observed, but I'm getting the feeling that these guys out thought themselves, and let this punk get away. Maybe not for good, but if any other civilians are harmed or killed because of this colossal blunder ( and this is what it's become ) then partial blame MUST be placed on the FBI, and who ever the hell else was in charge here.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 1:28 PM

America loves a winner!

Shots fired in Watertown, and it looks like ( maybe ) that the suspect is down.

It seems a alert resident called the cops to report a shed door suspiciously open, and bloody clothes.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 1:34 PM

Well the evidence is you can do lots of damage very quickly with very few people and little resources and there isn't a lot authorities can do.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 1:42 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Well the evidence is you can do lots of damage very quickly with very few people and little resources and there isn't a lot authorities can do.

Which is exactly what everyone's said, since 9-11. Sorta amazing that this hasn't happened more, though we know it's not for lack of trying. Some 30+ plots have been foiled in the past 10 years.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 2:26 PM

America loves a winner!

Suspect # 2 still in the boat, cornered, refuses to give up. L.E. apparently tried to rattle him w/ some flash / bangs, but no dice.

Any chance this guy bleeds out, while L.E. plays it so cautiously, and ends up dead anyways ?

eta: Must have grabbed him as he passed out. In cuffs , off to the hospital.

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Friday, April 19, 2013 4:57 PM

America loves a winner!

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Friday, April 19, 2013 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I wonder what would happen if some "real" terrorists decided to launch a coordinated attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651

My thoughts too.

I first question the decision to wait almost a full day to release the photos of the 2 brothers to the public.

Which , of course, also gave ample time to the conspiricy theorists to plaster the internet with photos and concoct their mkultra-death squad nonsense.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:08 AM

America loves a winner!

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mkultra-death squad

Ha ha.. I hadn't heard that one.

Alas, T.S. Elliot may have been right, when he called April the cruelest month.

APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

So I'm kind of wondering...

Why the hell didn't we just use some drones and fire a handful of Hellfire missiles into the neighborhood where we suspected these dudes were?

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:33 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good to know, OldEng, I'll keep that in mind. I'm long in the habit of calling you guys Brits, partly 'cuz I don't know any other diminutive (there's "Ozzie" and "Canuck", but what do we call you? "Limey" doesn't sound friendly, to me at least!) and partly I guess 'cuz it "covers a multitude of sins" as it were. ;o)

But I'm glad you're here; not being xenophobic or racist, like some here, I really appreciate perspectives outside the U.S. Over many long years on the internet, I learned ages ago that I get a lot more news from my friends outside the states, and learn a lot our censorship and propaganda denies me.

I don't think you can ever do anything to completely STOP terrorists. They don't wear uniforms, etc., and America is such a gigantic country, so populous and such a target, I think they do a pretty good job of stopping things--most of which I'll bet we never even hear about. Unquestionably you have more history dealing with terrorism than we do, but you don't have one "umpteenth" the targets, the area or the population to deal with. I don't compare the two, myownself, and of course there's the availability of guns....

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:21 AM

Call us "Brits", thats fine. I dont want to mislead you, there are plenty of Englishmen who call themselves British, but few Scots, Welsh or Irish do so I tend not to.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:30 AM

This is an interesting turn;

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/
dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html?wpisrc=most_viral

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:41 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
This is an interesting turn;

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/
dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html?wpisrc=most_viral

So, we'll Mirandize foreign insurgents, on foreign battle fields, but not US citizens caught in the U.S. ?

And folks said that Bush was the dictator, huh?

Huh.

And Niki - who here is being xenophobic ?

( ETA - well, finally caught Wulf's comment... not sure that's exactly xenophobic, but it's something alright )

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:11 PM

Psst Niki. It's usual spelled 'Aussie'. Ozzie makes me thing of the Osbornes.

We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'

I get the last two, but " Poms " ?

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:47 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, OldEngland, it's something to think about, this Miranda or not-Miranda question. These things always challenge our beliefs and thinking, don't they?

Magons, I know...got in the habit with a couple of online friends, "Ozzie" was an affectionate variation started by someone else and I just never stopped using it. Need to correct that. I've never forgotten Gino--who hated us Americans anyway--and how offended he said Canadians were by "Canuck"...

My xenophobic crack was aimed at little Wulf, because hate always comes from fear.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

We call the English 'Poms'
Americans 'Yanks'
New Zealanders 'Kiwis'

I get the last two, but " Poms " ?

from wiki

The term pommy, pom or pommie,[9] in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, usually denotes a person of British heritage or origin. Less commonly, it can refer to anyone from Britain or the United Kingdom. A non-derogatory term, it was ruled no longer offensive in 2006 by the Australian Advertising Standards Board and in 2010 by the New Zealand Broadcasting Standards Authority.[10] British people or those of British origin consider the expression neither offensive nor racist when used by people not of British origin to describe English or British people and acceptable when used within that community. But the community group British People Against Racial Discrimination was among those who complained to the Advertising Standards Board about five advertisements poking fun at "Poms", prompting the 2006 decision.[11]

There are several folk etymologies for "Pom," some of which are false etymologies. For example, there are rumors that the word's etymology is related to prisoners, such as "Prisoner of Millbank," but this claim is suspect.[12] A more likely theory is that pommy originated as a contraction of "pomegranate".[13][14] According to this explanation, "pomegranate" is extinct Australian rhyming slang for immigrant. A popular alternative explanation for the theory that pommy is a contraction of "pomegranate", relates to the purported frequency of sunburn among British people in Australia, turning their fair skin the colour of pomegranates.[15] However, there is no hard evidence for the theory regarding sunburn. What many British emigrants find a source of irritation is when Australians refer to all Britons as 'English.' The United Kingdom comprises Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland; therefore Poms can be from anywhere in the UK, and not just England.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:26 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I love concept of having "ruled" it no longer offensive, that cracks me up! And I get a kick out of the skin-tone concept, made me giggle. Think if nobody minds I'll go on using Brits; anyone who minds can say so.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:27 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons, I know...got in the habit with a couple of online friends, "Ozzie" was an affectionate variation started by someone else and I just never stopped using it. Need to correct that. I've never forgotten Gino--who hated us Americans anyway--and how offended he said Canadians were by "Canuck"...

My xenophobic crack was aimed at little Wulf, because hate always comes from fear.

Oh yeah. I saw wulf's nasty response. How dare you be interested in opinions from people outside the US. That's just.....unamerican ;)

Not bothered by Aussie, or Ozzie. Not particularly fond of either term, not because of how Americans use it, but because its use within our country, particularly around sporting events.

'Aussie Aussie Aussie
Oy Oy Oy'

A sporting chant, used most often by drunken young hooligans experiencing patriotic ardour over other people's sporting achievements, often while they are not in the country.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:29 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
'Aussie Aussie Aussie
Oy Oy Oy'

A sporting chant, used most often by drunken young hooligans experiencing patriotic ardour over other people's sporting achievements, often while they are not in the country.

Brings back memories of the Y2K Olympics, and my downstairs neighbors when I was living in Cambridge (yes, blocks from the marathon bomber's apartment) who, after some lively swimming event, would go running circles in the street with the Aussie flag as a cape and buddies in the apt below yelling:

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OY OY OY

I admit, I was entertained.

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Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:32 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
This is an interesting turn;

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/
dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html?wpisrc=most_viral

So, we'll Mirandize foreign insurgents, on foreign battle fields, but not US citizens caught in the U.S. ?

And folks said that Bush was the dictator, huh?

Huh.

And Niki - who here is being xenophobic ?

Were these guys American citizens?

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Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:30 AM

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Were these guys American citizens?

The statement is obscure in its meaning.

Who, the brothers ? Or the foreign terrorists who the Obama administration feels fine in Mirandizing ?

When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. "I'll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer," he said, according to former CIA Director George Tenet.

Of course, KSM did not get a lawyer until months later, after his interrogation was completed, and Tenet says that the information the CIA obtained from him disrupted plots and saved lives. "I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat KSM like a white-collar criminal - read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up," Tenet wrote in his memoirs.

If Tenet is right, it's a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. "The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here's the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today - foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture themâ€¦and they're reading them their rights - Mirandizing these foreign fighters," says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.

Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. "I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn't been briefed on it, I didn't know about it. We're still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for
_terrorists.asp

House Intelligence Chair Mike Rogers strongly criticized the Obama administration for reportedly bringing suspected terrorist, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law Suleiman Abu Ghaith, to the United States.

Rogers, a Republican, declined to confirm that Abu Ghaith had been rendered to the U.S. But NBC News confirmed with Jordanian sources that Turkey sent Abu Ghaith to Kuwait via Jordan, where he was intercepted and brought to New York City. He will appear in court Friday.

“I am very concerned, just as I was in the past, about taking an al-Qaida member off the battlefield in foreign soil and Mirandizing them and bringing them back to the United States,” Rogers said on Andrea Mitchell Reports Thursday. “I am very concerned about that precedent and what that means moving forward on the war on terror.”

Rogers, a former FBI agent, said that Mirandizing a top al-Qaida suspect and bringing him to the U.S. for trial creates a host of problems . Rogers argued that the prison at Guantanamo Bay was better-equipped to handle high value prisoners. The Obama administration has been making efforts to close Guantanamo and has pledged not bring any new prisoners there.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/07/obama-administration-criticized-for-bri
nging-osama-bin-ladens-son-in-law-to-us/

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