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Poll: Who is to blame for shutdown?

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:56 AM

On msnbc:

Quote:
Who do you blame for the shutdown?

25 %
I blame the president.
10,927 votes

25 %
I blame the House GOP.
10,814 votes

3 %
I don’t blame anyone; this is all part of politics.
1,376 votes

47 %
I blame them all.
20,288 votes

Guess which one I chose!

Although... >_> I've heard there's a country in Europe somewhere and the government's been shutdown and in a gridlock for like three years.

Even if this turns out to be a major blow to the global economy, I'm wondering if shutdown will provide insight into what programs really are needed and what aren't. Let's turn the collapse of our entire system into a positive thing!

*Cough* and then storm the capital torch and pitchforks en mass, boot all the politicians out, and loot the marble facades. *fake innocent halo*

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Dueling stats.

This is all about Obamacare. Personally, I think the Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. Even with heavy gerrymadering of voting districts by the Repubs, they couldn't get their way through the Presidential election and the many Congressional votes, and what they're REALLY afraid of is that people will learn more about Obamacare and actually like it. So they're actually trying to thwart what even THEY enivision as "the will of the people".

I think everyone here knows I dislike Obamacare, but it needs to be improved, not destroyed, because our healthcare system was a complete clusterfuck before, and the Repubs have not offered any options except to continue the clusterfuck.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:03 PM

BYTEMITE

Perhaps not Sig. Add the 50% who are mad at everyone with the 25% who are mad at the house GOP, and then compare approximately 63% to 75% with margin of error. Actually pretty close?

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, all depends on who's doing the polling:

Quote:
Unfortunately for Republicans, early polling on the government shutdown does not favor their strategy. A Quinnipiac University National Poll released Tuesday morning shows that by a margin of 72 percent to 22 percent, American voters oppose a government shutdown over attempts to block the Affordable Care Act. And though voters are divided on the law itself, 58 percent of those surveyed said they opposed cutting off funding a way to stop it from being implemented. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605453/blame-game-starts-with-no
-end-in-sight-for-government-shutdown/]

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Of those surveyed, 72 percent said they opposed shutting down the government to block the funding of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Another 64 percent said they opposed blocking an increase in the debt ceiling to avoid default.

The Congressional approval rating for the GOP is the lowest it has ever been, with 74 percent disapproval. Democrats have an approval rating of 60 percent. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/poll-shows-voters-blame-republ
icans-government-shutdown#]

Quote:
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

In a CNN/ORC poll, 69% of Americans say Republicans are acting like "spoiled children" in the budget showdown. Obama does the best when it comes to acting like a "responsible adult" in the CNN/ORC poll: 49% of Americans choose that phrase to describe his behavior. Only one in four Americans say Republicans are acting responsibly. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/30/government-shut
down-blame-republicans-polls/2897197/]

So it's a matter of "pick your poll", but by far the majority of polls show the Republicans appropriately getting most of the blame.

From L.A.:

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...most readers are expressing disbelief at the dysfunction in Washington. As with the nearly month-long shutdown in the 1990s during the Clinton administration, most are blaming members of Congress for this mess, not the president.

Carol J. Smith of Cerritos: "I was a federal employee during the 1995-96 federal government shutdown, during which the employees and the bills of our federal government went unpaid. Most people are unaware of the terrible cost that was paid by many federal workers during the total of 28 days that their wages were withheld.

"Thousands of federal employees work at low salaries and keep the everyday work of the federal government running. These employees live paycheck-to-paycheck and have few resources to fall back on when their salaries are held hostage to politics in Congress. Since their services are essential for the operation of the federal government, many of them were not furloughed during the shutdown but instead were required to continue to work without pay.

"For members of Congress, the only thing that is essential is winning at politics. And they can continue to receive their salaries during a shutdown."

Redondo Beach resident Steve Stillman: "Instead of passing a bill to delay the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans should pass a bill requiring our armed forces to nuke it.

"Sound stupid? Well so does shutting down the government and wrecking our economy."

Jeff Pollak of La Crescenta: "Are we absolutely sure that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was talking about the Dodgers when he complained about a 'no-class act by a bunch of overpaid, immature, arrogant, spoiled brats'?

"Seems to me his fellow Republicans in the House of Representatives fit the description much better than some overly exuberant ballplayers." http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-government-shutdown-mailbag-20130
930,0,5231531.story

About covers it.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:39 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is all about Obamacare.

There are other demands. Republicans also want Paul Ryan's tax reform, the Keystone XL pipeline, partial repeal of the Clean Air Act, partial repeal of bank regulation legislation, Medicare cuts, cuts in several anti-poverty programs, making it harder to launch medical malpractice lawsuits, more drilling on federal land, blocking net neutrality, and a suite of changes designed to make it harder for regulatory agencies to crack the whip. - www.nationalreview.com/corner/359534/revealed-house-gops-debt-ceiling-
plan-jonathan-strong

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:28 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

What a lot of power without consequences your politicans hold. I'm pretty sure if that happened here, both Houses would be dissolved and an election held for all those seats. You have to put your money where your mouth is...

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:27 AM

OONJERAH

My 1st notion: If Nat'l park workers & others are bein' given an
unpaid vacation, Then Congress should be unpaid, too! -- but not on
vacation. Keep working to resolve the problem, no pay til they do.

Don't we have an unwritten law somewhere about never asking your
employees to do something that yourself is unwilling to do?

When Joss warned that electing Romney could result in a zombie
apocalypse, he was talking about these guys, too!

=========================
There is a limit to my hypocrisy. ~Doc Holliday

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:21 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

You make some good points:

1- Whether or not you like Obamacare, our health system is broken and desperately needs fixing. For one thing, that makes me angry, the Repubs offer no better solution, just the status quo.

2- I saw a report on Nightline that showed an American employer sending their employees to Costa Rica for medical procedures that are usually twice the amount here in the U.S. Plus they would pay the employees a bonus of $2500, pay for the trip and hotel stay. Look it up on Nightline online or You Tube, amazing.

3- I like what you said about the "will of the people" it seems that the Repubs did not factor that in. They forget that people are not that stupid, they can smell a "snake-oil salesman" a mile away. Ted Cruz is that snake-oil salesman.

4- Here's a thought: the very thing the Repubs were afraid of (or so they say) they stupidly drew attention to. Ted Cruz kept saying it, if it ever gets rolling Obamacare will succeed and millions of Americans will have health care coverage. He's riding the Tea Party wave, right wing phobia. A black president actually had the balls to introduce something different and it actually might work, perhaps not in it's current form, but it's a start.
OMG, America is changing and the Good Ole Boys network is slowly but surely being dismantled. Just think, people other than old white dudes can and do think, and implement ideas that benefit the country - not just the rich and superrich.

Rush and Bill O'Reilly are right, America is changing. Next stop a woman president, the T-Party will see to that. Cruz, Koch, Rand Paul, Ryan have only themselves to blame. Thanks guys, way to go.

The king is dead, Long live the King.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.
Dueling stats.

This is all about Obamacare. Personally, I think the Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. Even with heavy gerrymadering of voting districts by the Repubs, they couldn't get their way through the Presidential election and the many Congressional votes, and what they're REALLY afraid of is that people will learn more about Obamacare and actually like it. So they're actually trying to thwart what even THEY enivision as "the will of the people".

I think everyone here knows I dislike Obamacare, but it needs to be improved, not destroyed, because our healthcare system was a complete clusterfuck before, and the Repubs have not offered any options except to continue the clusterfuck.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:57 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

One poll had it at 72%.

The question was raised: Regarding the Government shutdown, the people
hate the idea, and that percentage blame the repubs for the dumb idea.

I look at it this way: If Obamacare was so wrong for the country, and a "train wreck," then why didn't the Tea Party phonies let it run it's course of imminent failure. Then they could say "we told you so" and win in the mid-term elections. But instead we get the Harvard-educated Canadian yelling the sky is falling!

By the way, so many people tried to register for Obamacare that several websites crashed. In New York the website got 2 million hits in 8 hours.
In Kentucky, Obamacare is in full swing but the state government changed the name. It's now known as Kynnect and it's a success.

Thank you Ted. I take it back, you are a genius!

SGG

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Perhaps not Sig. Add the 50% who are mad at everyone with the 25% who are mad at the house GOP, and then compare approximately 63% to 75% with margin of error. Actually pretty close?

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:16 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, Shiny, I got caught in that deluge. I turn 65 in a few days, so could drop my Medicare Supplemental insurance and get a cheaper policy, still with Anthem. So I did my little on-line application, but when it came to setting up the auto-pay feature, it crashed. Then their system got overloaded big time and the whole THING crashed. In order to get it in under the deadline, I had to fill out a paper form, scan and e-mail it to my rep and she faxed it to Aetna. They were that inundated by people trying to sign up the first day of Obamacare!

And yes, Ezra Klein said exactly what you did:

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:03 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The F-35 fighter program will cost approximately $1.5 trillion over the course of its lifetime. It is being built in Fort Worth, Texas, and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas is not calling for that program's shutdown, as he loudly and unceasingly is for a Federal shutdown. He is not even calling for a temporary shutdown to address hundreds of F-35 engineering problems. Republicans are not sincere about ending wasteful and incompetently run government programs. -- www.vanityfair.com/politics/2013/09/joint-strike-fighter-lockheed-mart
in

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:14 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
There are other demands. Republicans also want Paul Ryan's tax reform, the Keystone XL pipeline, partial repeal of the Clean Air Act, partial repeal of bank regulation legislation, Medicare cuts, cuts in several anti-poverty programs, making it harder to launch medical malpractice lawsuits, more drilling on federal land, blocking net neutrality, and a suite of changes designed to make it harder for regulatory agencies to crack the whip. - www.nationalreview.com/corner/359534/revealed-house-gops-debt-ceiling-
plan-jonathan-strong

I'm wondering if the shutdown at all hinders the SEC and other financial regulators, and other regulators (enviro, OSHA, etc.) their ability to regulate.

Big numbers generate more interest than small ones. (random brain dropping)

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:18 PM

WHOZIT

Is there a poll that asks how the shutdown affects you personally? Unless you're a do nothing Gov employee or wanted to take a walk park do you think most people give a fuck?

Do you give a fuck about the shutdown?

__ Yes

__ No

__ Maybe

__ Donut

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:25 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Is there a poll that asks how the shutdown affects you personally? Unless you're a do nothing Gov employee or wanted to take a walk park do you think most people give a fuck?

Do you give a fuck about the shutdown?

__ Yes

__ No

__ Maybe

__ Donut

__ Yes

__ No

__ Maybe

__ Donut

X Fuck No

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:38 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Quote:
Who is to blame for shutdown?

Maybe the people saying, "Give us what we want, or we won't pass a bill to keep the government funded."

Just a thought.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Bing...o.

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 4:08 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Great minds think alike...........;-) hee, hee!

Before anyone thinks I copied Ezra, no, it's just common sense folks.

BTW, there are approx. 30-40 House Republicans that are holding the country hostage, they represent approx. 15-18% of the country. Plus you have House reps that don't have the balls to oppose the Tea Party reps starting with the Big Boner Boehner. If he had any real guts he would tell them what for and push through a Clean CR and get this country back to work.

The Tea Party are biting their nose to spite their face. I back the president 100%, whatever you do - DON'T CAVE IN!!!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, Shiny, I got caught in that deluge. I turn 65 in a few days, so could drop my Medicare Supplemental insurance and get a cheaper policy, still with Anthem. So I did my little on-line application, but when it came to setting up the auto-pay feature, it crashed. Then their system got overloaded big time and the whole THING crashed. In order to get it in under the deadline, I had to fill out a paper form, scan and e-mail it to my rep and she faxed it to Aetna. They were that inundated by people trying to sign up the first day of Obamacare!

And yes, Ezra Klein said exactly what you did:

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 4:54 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

That's typical of the hypocrite Ted Cruz is, lying bastard. This is all to set himself up to run for The Big Chair. I say, let him run. He'll expose himself as the biggest farce this side of the Pecos, he's basically a butched up Sarah Palin who's riding the wave of Tea Party anarchists - wait, I take that back. That's an insult to anarchists around the world.

Tea Party Terrorists is more like it. They want to rewrite history and create a 3rd Party. The republicans within what's left of the GOP have played right into their hands. I'm speaking of the gerrymandering that have redefined Congressional districts to benefit the Republican party. But they have seen their fellow conservatives replaced by Tea Party candidates who feed off the crazies that think America belongs only to the rich and squeaky clean. This is an economic and class war. Patriots!?, Please......
they fly in the face of the Constitution.

Checks and balances people, checks and balances.

Congress does hold the purse strings, it is in the Constitution. But is also states that "to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." Notice it says United States, not certain people within the United States. With the SHUT DOWN, are they fulfilling their Congressional duties? Please stop and think before you answer.

My guess is that the Tea Party will break ranks and declare themselves as a third entity and syphon off monies from ultra neo conservatives (ahem, Koch brothers, etc) who feel that the GOP, in it's present form, are too warm and fuzzy for their taste. This may happen sooner than you think, the mid-term elections are almost upon us......watch and wait.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The F-35 fighter program will cost approximately $1.5 trillion over the course of its lifetime. It is being built in Fort Worth, Texas, and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas is not calling for that program's shutdown, as he loudly and unceasingly is for a Federal shutdown. He is not even calling for a temporary shutdown to address hundreds of F-35 engineering problems. Republicans are not sincere about ending wasteful and incompetently run government programs. -- www.vanityfair.com/politics/2013/09/joint-strike-fighter-lockheed-mart
in

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:02 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/02/jon-stewart-destroys-callous-fox
-news-host-fck-you-for-mocking-the-poor/

I'm fascinated by the way that the righties on this board mirror exactly what Fox news spews. I don't often get exposed to this horror, but when I do, I can guarantee that I'll see the same sentiments expressed by those who shall not be named on this board.

In this instance, it's the 'I'm not losing any money, so who gives a fuck about anyone else' - which should be the Republicans new motto. Very catchy.

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59 PM

BYTEMITE

One of the poorest persons I know apparently got a disability check yesterday which should keep his family for a month.

So I'm actually not sure how much really is shut down. It could just be the postal service got it to them because it was sent before the shut down - they really live in the boondocks, so it can take a while for them to get anything. Postal Service is independently funded.

And Obamacare website and sign up is still running?

But veterans aid isn't, since that's what they're negotiating now... Unless that's more showmanship.

Frem thinks the lady who tried to attack the white house might have been upset about the WIC cards. Which is a welfare aid thing, so that could be hitting people.

It's not that I'm mocking the poor, it's more I think our government might suck, but the people can always rise to the occasion. And I also don't know yet just how bad it is right now. So I'm more wait and see than hand wringing at this point.

Plus, I mean... I'm a nihilist, an anarchist, and I've got tendency to play down concern and sympathy behind complete distaste for anything sentimental. How else was I going to react?

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 7:21 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"I'm fascinated by the way that the righties on this board mirror exactly what Fox news spews". That's how it works these days, Magons. Right wingers like Rap only pay attention to FauxNews and right-wing talk radio; it's easiest that way, they get all the talking points they need without the inconvenience of anything that doesn't agree with the party line; then they can turn around and spew it forth all over the internet, to friends and family and places like this, which perpetuates it, and away we go. It's working great in this country, unfortunately.

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Thursday, October 3, 2013 8:13 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
One of the poorest persons I know apparently got a disability check yesterday which should keep his family for a month.

So I'm actually not sure how much really is shut down. It could just be the postal service got it to them because it was sent before the shut down - they really live in the boondocks, so it can take a while for them to get anything. Postal Service is independently funded.

Which means the check would have been cut at least a week or more ago - long before the shutdown. And as you noted, the Post Office is unaffected.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, October 4, 2013 1:45 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

”Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? They lost 31-7. Do you know what the Giants didn’t say after that game? ‘If you don’t give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shut down the f**king NFL.’” -Jon Stewart on Republicans shutting down the government over their opposition to Obamacare

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Friday, October 4, 2013 4:05 PM

HERO

This shutdown is the fault and responsibility of the American people. It's what they chose in 2012 when the elected 234 House Republicans and one Democratic President.

Also, people seem to think an impass like this is a bad thing. Simply put, this is a fight...and sometimes you have to have a good fight to settle some business and move on. Back when I was a kid my friend and I had an argument, it festered, boiled, and ultimately we settled it with a good fight. Then we could be friends again. People are angry...as angry as they've been since the Civil War. We need a good fight like this cause the alternative might be a bad fight like that was.

Sure, in a Civil War the Republicans would kick Democratic ass...just like last time. Hell, it'll be SO much easier then last time cause the Republicans are also Southerners which means we get the best of both worlds.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Friday, October 4, 2013 6:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
wait, I take that back. That's an insult to anarchists around the world.

Much appreciated.

Thing is, they DON'T really wanna create a third party, it's just every time the mask starts to slip and people see the sociopathic, malicious, inhumane monstrosity that the GOP truly is they slither away under a rock somewhere and insinuate themselves into some maybe-viable third party and thoroughly poison it, corrupt it, and then come all out pretending behind a new mask, with the same old neo-feudo-fascist agenda.

They did that to the Libertarians (the sharkjumping moment was installing Barr over the objections of 90%+ of the current party membership at the time), did it to what used to be Ron Pauls much more moderate faction, re-dubbing it the Tea Party, and they'll do it again the very moment they're shown so much as an ounce of mercy.
Mind you, by the time they got rolling, most of the original membership of said parties had jumped ship in disgust.

Look, quit making excuses, these assholes aren't a faction, aren't a splinter group, they're what the GOP *really is* and always has been from their very inception, and they've had the same fucking agenda since day freakin one, look at the Alien and Sedition Acts and then look at the Patriot Act and go on, tell me there's any difference ?

But one place they've crossed the rubicon here is showing their utter contempt for the ignorant backwater sodders who could usually be counted on to vote for them - large swathes of dirt-poor southern states (usually "red") have no State level backup and thus WIC was not paid, which on top of cutting SNAP leaves a damn lot of hungry, angry people, and sure, they're in general ignorant/stupid and kept that way by a party that depends on it, but it doesn't take a genius to make the connection and start throwing blame.

Even worse, you never short the palace guard if you're going to enrage the populace, and throwing their own staffers under the bus opens lots of opportunities and temptation for the political equivalent of some daggers through the curtain - wonder if Brutus was maybe not paid on time...

Anyways, the critical mistake is the same as it has always been, showing mercy to sociopaths just enables and encourages them, time after time they slither away and do it again, only worse, and sooner or later, it's going to erupt in violence BECAUSE of that foolishness, when it didn't have to go there.

Quote:
To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty.

-Frem

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Friday, October 4, 2013 7:17 PM

JONGSSTRAW

^^^ More insane spewings from Aqualung as he sits on a park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent.

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Saturday, October 5, 2013 1:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA

*aside glance*

And this from the creep openly calling for a coup ?
Reaalllly.
The voice of sanity, you ain't, son.

That said, pleasepleaseprettypleasewithsugarontop, DO IT.
Seriously, give us an excuse to purge this continent of your insanity, and when your wacked out loud little handful gets curbstomped into oblivion by the generally moderate and responsible types who are rightly sick of you and your so-called-leaders and outnumber you fifty to one or more (we can discount liberal utopia fluffy bunnies, else it'd be seventy to one) we can maybe get on with fixing the damage, instead of letting you screwballs compound it.

Not that I consider myself generally moderate and responsible, it's just that I hate you and yours more than any other faction cause you contribute nothing, only consume all you can and poison the rest out of spite - more intelligent parasites try to achieve symbiosis, you moron.
:-)

-F

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Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree with quite a bit of of what you both said, except for this: Hero, we've already HAD this fight--several times, and I don't believe it's about "the fight" or ANY individual things. Combination of fighting against anything Obama wants, and the supposed "Tea Party" desire to make the government "smaller" (or rather, smaller of things they don't want, bigger of things they DO want). I think Frem's right about what they did to libertarians, at least insofar as the REAL Tea Party, but I don't see this as any kind of "fight" that will solve anything.

It certainly, in my opinion, is the fault of the American people for electing the idiots who are behind this, unfortunately I can't argue with that, but if so, it's what's wrong with our electoral system, not all the people. JMHO.

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Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"if we ran things via nation-wide vote, most of this would be done, will of the people served." Damned straight. Problem is, there ARE enough of the "American people" who have either been manipulated into believing these guys are working FOR them, or are dumb enough to think a shutdown is a good thing (and most of the latter because they've been manipulated into thinking so, without knowing the facts). So again I say yes, the electoral system; if districts weren't gerrymandered (by BOTH parties) to get bad representatives in power and keep them there; if it weren't possible for a small faction of one party to screw things up like this; if money wasn't a major factor in electoral politics/advertising/etc., it would be different. But SOME of the American People did vote these guys into office, and voted to keep them there, so there's validity in that aspect of it.

As to it being after the fact, we've been through this taking-the-country-hostage bit before; if people used their brains, they'd have voted the guys who've been doing it for, what, six years?, out of office last time around. They didn't.

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Sunday, October 6, 2013 2:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

hahaha!

Thanks Frem!

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Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA

You're most welcome.
The real problem, beyond the fact that they're insane, malicious sociopaths lacking any cognitive connection between cause and effect....
Is that they're just plain, flat out, fucking STUPID.

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In fact SO stupid it takes them an embarrassingly long time to realize I am often trolling them right back, if they do at all.

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Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"Youuuu arrrrrre dummmmmb." Nope, probably too complex for them to grasp.

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Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:40 AM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

My 1st notion: If Nat'l park workers & others are bein' given an
unpaid vacation, Then Congress should be unpaid, too! -- but not on
vacation. Keep working to resolve the problem, no pay til they do.

Don't we have an unwritten law somewhere about never asking your
employees to do something that yourself is unwilling to do?

When Joss warned that electing Romney could result in a zombie
apocalypse, he was talking about these guys, too!

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There is a limit to my hypocrisy. ~Doc Holliday

I was following SECONDS link and came across this. It toughed at my heart strings, so I quoted it.

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