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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:05 AM
WHOZIT
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:15 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: On one hand, ObamaCare is the reason, but on the other hand, it's obviously being used as an excuse by the insurance companies. Not only that, but they basically waited as long as possible to inform people of the changes, seeing as most people have to be signed up by early November to be approved by January. Perhaps hoping concessions would be won for them on ObamaCare. I think I hate insurance companies as much as I do politicians. They try to get some little advantage or another while everyone else gets screwed. I don't understand the "End is Now" thing though. AuRaptor said something about armageddon in another thread and I'm pretty sure he's atheist. What's up guys?
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:43 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:51 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:41 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: On one hand, ObamaCare is the reason, but on the other hand, it's obviously being used as an excuse by the insurance companies.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:06 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, Nick, it's just more of "same old, same old". And I fully agree with "I think I hate insurance companies as much as I do politicians. They try to get some little advantage or another while everyone else gets screwed." I KNOW I hate them more. Their lobbyists helped the right make the ACA as weak as humanly (politically) possible, they STILL get huge gimmies out of it, and they've been lying through their teeth and playing every game imaginable trying to kill it ever since. Insurance is gambling, everyone knows it. We bet we're going to get sick enough to cost them money; they bet they can charge us more than we'll cost them. That would be fair gambling, but they come up with every trick in the book to AVOID paying when they "lose" the "bet"; at least the ACA helps a little bit with that. "End is now" is just so asinine it's not worth addressing.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: You can't blame the the right for any of this, their hands are clean. Obamacare is a disaster NOW, not about to happen. You commies arn't going to be able to control this damage, Barry and the left own this mess 100%. If they postpone this mess for 6 months to year Sen. Cruz is going to end up looking really good, the shutdown is in the past, Obamacare is making a mess NOW and in the future. You libs are going to make asses of yourselves spinning this...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: You can't blame the the right for any of this, their hands are clean. Obamacare is a disaster NOW, not about to happen. You commies arn't going to be able to control this damage, Barry and the left own this mess 100%. If they postpone this mess for 6 months to year Sen. Cruz is going to end up looking really good, the shutdown is in the past, Obamacare is making a mess NOW and in the future. You libs are going to make asses of yourselves spinning this...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! Yes, people finally being able to afford health insurance is a disaster. So much so the GOP knows that as people sign up and learn more about it people are going to like it. Repeal will become impossible. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: It's more expencive, and they've taken the word "free" off the site. It'll be more expencive, you'll pay a higher deductable and you'll lose your doctor. Barry said you'd save $2,500 a year and keep your doctor. Libs can't run away from the truth, facts are facts. You libs won't be able to spin this, people are really going to be pissed when they are forced to buy your over priced garbage. YOU CAN'T SPIN THIS! Obamacare is going to do a lot of damage and you libs will make asses of yourselves defending it. You should stop now before you really make fools of yourselves...keep going
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:02 PM
Quote:For example, there are no more annual or lifetime limits on essential health benefits such as hospitalizations or prescription drugs. Insurance companies can’t throw clients off the rolls when they get sick or choose not to insure those with pre-existing conditions. "For most people, health insurance will be vastly less expensive than the plans that were previously available and are far less costly than facing potential illnesses with no health care coverage at all," Pallone said in a statement. Sitko agreed, saying he feels he is being offered a better deal, given the new minimum standards insurance companies must meet and new regulations with which they must comply. Douglas Johnston, government affairs manager with AARP New Jersey, which supports the law, said looking at the few who may find it difficult to purchase health insurance misses the larger picture. " While we certainly understand people expect cheaper insurance than they find, one of the many purposes (of the law) is to bring more people into the insurance marketplace," he said. Experts have little doubt that will occur. The Congressional Budget Office estimates 16 million more Americans will have health insurance in 2014 because of the Affordable Care Act. To help people purchase insurance, the law provides subsidies to any individual making less than $45,960 or a family of four making less than $94,200. That covers about 95 percent of the uninsured in New Jersey, according to the Center for State Health Policy at Rutgers University. But the uninsured aren’t the only ones who find themselves shopping for a new plan. That’s because the Affordable Care Act requires health insurance plans meet minimum standards and provide many preventive services — like colonoscopies and mammograms — free of charge.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:42 PM
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I would give it up, but it is to easy. Plus I want anyone that comes by this place to see how idiotic these guys are. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: I know you'll never give up, no matter how bad it gets you libs will circle the wagons and defend your God no matter how stupid you end up looking. You can put all the lipstick on this pig as you like, but it'll still be a Obama...I mean a pig.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:10 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I would give it up, but it is to easy. Plus I want anyone that comes by this place to see how idiotic these guys are. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man. I know you'll never give up, no matter how bad it gets you libs will circle the wagons and defend your God no matter how stupid you end up looking. You can put all the lipstick on this pig as you like, but it'll still be a Obama...I mean a pig.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:21 PM
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Why does anyone even bother with the zit? He never has anything to say, he just repeats old memes over and over, as nasty as he can make them, and never makes a valid point. He truly is a zit on the face of the forum, in my humble opinion. Even RAP makes more "sense"...relatively that is.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:25 PM
Quote:...because we pay him damn good money to play a conservative on this site.
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:35 PM
Quote:The last time the government expanded health care, it was also kind of a disaster If you think the launch of HealthCare.Gov isn't going so well, consider this: When online shopping for prescription drug programs launched back in 2005, things went so badly that the federal government didn't even get off the ground until three weeks after its scheduled launch. The first obstacle was one of scheduling: Officials had initially scheduled the launch shopping component of the Web site on the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services decided to delay the launch, per then spokesman Gary Karr, as to "respect all partners out there and their religious beliefs," But even after that, the site where seniors were supposed to compare drug prescription insurance plans didn't launch until November. "The Medicare folks have had some trouble getting the tool up and running," then-Washington Post reporter Chris Lee wrote on Nov. 8, 2005. "The original debut date was Oct. 13, but officials delayed it, citing the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur. Next it was promised on Oct. 17, but that day, too, came and went without personalized plan comparisons being available." A news briefing promised the site would be up and in the afternoon. It didn't happen. "Visitors to the site could not access it for most of the first two hours,: Lee reported. "When it finally did come up around 5 p.m., it operated awfully slowly." "Certainly I remember, thinking back to 2005, that the launch of the Web site was challenging," says Jack Hoadley, a researcher at Georgetown University who has studied the Part D program since before its launch. "It was pretty regularly a source of frustration just like what we're experiencing now." What Hoadley says surprised him though, reading back through old news clips over the past few days, is just how challenged the program's digital launch was. "I look back and remember it was rocky," he says, "But I don't think I remember the degree of the rockiness that was the case." There were other challenges too. As Hoadley and his colleagues wrote in a recent paper on Part D's launch, when seniors called the 1-800 Medicare phone number for help, a review found the agency "only responded to calls accurately and completely only about two-thirds of the time." Lee reported that an annual booklet sent out to seniors called "Medicare & You" contained "inaccurate details about some of the prescription plan choices." CMS later had to post a chart on the Web site with the accurate information. The delays of the Medicare.Gov Web site weren't as big news as the glitches with HealthCare.Gov. Both of the stories above ran on page A17 of the news section, unlike the HealthCare.Gov stories that have regularly been landing on the front page. Gary Karr, who served as a spokesman for Medicare during the rollout, doesn't remember the initial enrollment period being especially difficult. It was right after people signed up that was the real crunch time. "The enrollment felt pretty good," he says. "The first three weeks of the actual benefit did not feel so good, especially the first week and a half. Every glitch was a problem that got reported in the local papers. That's how it felt to us." What does seem similar, between the Part D launch and the health law's, is the quick rush to jump to conclusions about success or failure. "There was also a rush to conclude something is good or bad really fast," Karr says. "That's not different than it was in 2005. Generally, the political system is not patient." The data suggests that perhaps it should be: Medicare Part D, which is now wildly popular with seniors, had horrible approval ratings when it launched. These days, about 90 percent of seniors say they are satisfied with their Part D coverage. "The coverage that people ultimately get is the kind of coverage that they're looking for," Hoadley said of the Part D program. "They don't remember the glitches in the first weeks of getting coverage. It's the coverage that sticks with people." http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/11/the-last-time-the-government-expanded-health-care-it-was-also-kind-of-a-disaster/
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:50 PM
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Why does anyone even bother with the zit? He never has anything to say, he just repeats old memes over and over, as nasty as he can make them, and never makes a valid point. He truly is a zit on the face of the forum, in my humble opinion. Even RAP makes more "sense"...relatively that is. Why does anyone bother with you? You act like the form is your own private blog.
Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:25 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:11 AM
Quote:Wrinkles and warts in this new system should not be too surprising, said Uwe Reinhardt, a health economics expert and the James Madison professor of political economy at Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School. He compared the Affordable Care Act to a tourniquet on a gushing wound. The patch may be ugly, he said, but it is an improvement.
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