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Because you are haughty of heart, you say, 'A god am I! I occupy a godly throne in the heart of the sea!'
— The Bible, Ezekiel 28:2

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ~Jesus

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ~Jesus

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I've heard some say that's actually a mistranslation of the original text.

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Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.

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So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

Huh.

And what if his views in same sex marriage, abortion? Down with those positions as well ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny how the libs are all praising the Pope on some issues, but will turn on a dime when he still speaks out against abortion.

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Wow, is this an illuminating statement as to how the RWA brain works.

To me, when an authority figure backs issues that I believe in, I will speak my agreement and even praise the person. If that same person backs issues I do not agree with, of course I will not agree and praise. This is a no brainer to me. I support or not based on the issues, and I realize that I will not agree with any person 100% of the time. When I do I do, when I don't I don't. No need to hide it, no need to force it to be all black or all white.

Rappy, on the other, finds it "funny", by which he clearly means inconsistent and certainly a weakness to be criticized, to both agree and disagree with an authority figure. Once he has praised a person, he has chosen a side and must never switch over. Ditto with criticizing a person. All black or all white.

This is supported by all those years when Rappy licked W's jackboots (to use a Frem-word) no matter what and by his inability to say anything good about O now. Also supported by how he (and Geezer and Jongs) will NEVER start a thread praising a Dem or criticizing a Repub. That would only make him seem inconsistent and weak, I guess.

Yes, we already knew that RWAs follow authoritative personalities rather than being guided by issues (or facts), but I seldom see Rappy come right out and state it so bluntly. By the quoted post, he considers it is a character flaw to both praise and disagree with an authority figure, no matter what issues are involved.

Really: interesting.

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Hey - never change Rappy!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yep. Just as I said. "Some say" there's an alternate translation. Good ol Google, huh?

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Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.

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The point I was making wasn't that there may be an alternate lesson to be learned, but that the whole 'camel through the eye of a needle " MAY have meant something entirely different, to the people of the time, than it means to us today.

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It could mean exactly what it sounds like it means, as it was ( allegedly ) spoken some 2000 years ago.

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So, we're liking the Pope now , are we?

Huh.

And what if his views in same sex marriage, abortion? Down with those positions as well ?

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The Rap is nothing if not repetitive! Still out to prove that he operates by blindly worshiping his authority figures, rather than forming opinions based on principles. It must blow his mind that some people are capable of such rationality.

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Which authority figure? Do you mean you don't even know who you're always quoting with religious fervor? Huh. That explains a lot.

Well, you have several: Rand, Limbaugh, Beck, and any GOP President.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rappy, you're religious because you believe all kinds of stuff despite daily, real-world evidence to the contrary. And yes, you quote Rush and Beck. Constantly.

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Have you ever read the book which describes you to a "T"? It's the one MAL4 references. You might want to look at it. Here: it's available for free. Knock yourself out. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.

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I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.

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Uh, dude.

The were the NATIONAL socialist German workers party.

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I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.

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Uh, dude.

The were the NATIONAL socialist German workers party.

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Oh yeah, I SO confuse that name...

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You know what? Fuck you.

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The millions of people who died in ww2, including the many american soldiers and even veterans you probably hold some shred of respect for, deserve better than that pretended ignorance you're displaying here.

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You know what? Fuck you.

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Wooo... brilliant counter point! Very insightful, you are.

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You do NOT get to distort history for your personal convenience and then sully a fantastic movie in a cheap second attempt at distortion.

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I did neither.

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The millions of people who died in ww2, including the many american soldiers and even veterans you probably hold some shred of respect for, deserve better than that pretended ignorance you're displaying here.

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I doubt they really cared all that much if it was the Socialist Workers party of Germany or the German Socialist workers party , all they know was some evil sick bastard tried to take over the whole of Europe and some very fine folks were called upon to see to it that he was stopped.

And he was.

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Yes, you did. Claiming the Nazis were extreme left-wing is a distortion of the highest order. Or, if you prefer, a giant lie.

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Right. They didn't care who they fought. They were all ignorant hicks with no interest in what they were sent to fight. I guess I can take back my assumption that you have respect for them.

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Why are you so determined to pretend you don't have the slightest shred of an idea what National Socialism was? Key word National? Is it inconveniencing you to admit that you made a hugely false claim? Or, if you will, can you refrain from ever referring to Nazis again if you insist on being ignorant about them?

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They were totalitarians , who gathered up the guns, just as Obama and company are trying to do today. They share more in common w/ the Left than the Right.

And that's no lie.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
oh what a simple google can reveal -

wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle

Christianity

"The eye of a needle" is scripture quoted by Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels:

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

Parallel versions appear in Mark 10:24-25, and Luke 18:24-25.

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this. Jesus then spoke this response, leaving his disciples astonished.

The "eye of the needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no evidence for the existence of such a gate.[3][4]

Variations on this story include that of ancient inns having small entrances to thwart thieves, or a story of an old mountain pass known as the "eye of the needle", so narrow that merchants would have to dismount from their camels and were thus more vulnerable to waiting brigands. There is no historical evidence for any of these, either. This also ignores the explanation given in Matthew 19:26:“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Cyril of Alexandria claimed that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamêlos (camel) was a misprint of kamilos, meaning "rope" or "cable".[2][5] However evidence for such a Greek term is weak, there is little or no Greek manuscript support, and it goes against the standard principle of textual criticism that errors tend to happen towards the easier reading, not against it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yep. Just as I said. "Some say" there's an alternate translation. Good ol Google, huh?

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Jesus was not a fan of gathering wealth in any form.

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The point I was making wasn't that there may be an alternate lesson to be learned, but that the whole 'camel through the eye of a needle " MAY have meant something entirely different, to the people of the time, than it means to us today.

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It could mean exactly what it sounds like it means, as it was ( allegedly ) spoken some 2000 years ago.


Jesus would do as he did in his day... walked. And besides, sitting on the bus isn't 'driving'.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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It's very sad that people like that can't see what they're doing, it's like SAYING you're "Christian" is all that's important, who you are and what you do has nothing to do with it.

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You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then

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(1)(a) the state of a religious
(1)(b)(1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(1)(b)(2) commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
(2) a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
(3) archaic scrupulous conformity, conscientiousness
(4) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

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Citing folks is what many here scream is damn near mandatory when commenting about almost anything. I rarely " quote " Rush or Beck, thought I may make mention of them or cite them on certain topics. Being a conservative, it's not so far fetched that you'd go to me to see what a conservative thinks on certain issues.

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I'm no where near ' reich wing ', which itself is a gross misnomer, as the NAZI party were the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY OF GERMANY, extremely LEFT wing.

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And yes, the GOP are simply better people than the Dims, so it makes perfect sense that I'd give them more latitude.

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I'm not ignorant about them [Nazis], and instead, I know a great deal about the history of that era.

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They were totalitarians , who gathered up the guns, just as Obama and company are trying to do today. They share more in common w/ the Left than the Right.

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Fascism is commonly described as far right"[33][34] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[35][36][37][38][39]

Fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[37] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[38][39] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]

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You're making up a bizarre definition of what it means to be " religious " then

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Nope. not at all. Here, let me quote Merriam Webster

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(4) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

YOUR articles of faith are "greed" and "the market", and your saints are Ayn Rand, Limbaugh, and Beck, and your Pope is the GOP President, who by definition can do no wrong. And you hold to those articles of faith so strongly that it doesn't matter WHAT happens in the real world or how much evidence piles up against you, just like one of those anti-evolution nut-cases who has to cherry-pick their way thru mountains of evidence just to "prove" their point.

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Nope. You're completely wrong. It's not 'faith'. Perhaps you're unfamiliar w/ the word ' FREEDOM '. I'd not be surprised.

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In other words... in a term you understand... you're a bot. -signy
Nope. You're wrong again. Again. -rappy

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Never answered because I never saw it. Nor does it matter. Just because he's failed to FULLY instil his leftist agenda, doesn't mean he's not a child of the Left. Mother was a socialist, his (bio)father a communist, raised by privileged Left wing parents, and from college on, ADMITTED to socializing entirely with Left wingers. He got his start into politics by buddying up with who ? BILL AYRES ! A radical, militant LEFT WINGER !

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