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"Strategists to GOP: Restrain yourselves on debt ceiling"
Saturday, January 4, 2014 12:47 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:GOP strategists are urging restraint in the upcoming debt-ceiling fight. Congress must vote to raise the $17 trillion debt ceiling sometime in February or March. In the past, Republicans have looked to extract major concessions, such as dollar-for-dollar spending cuts. The strategy bore fruit in 2011 when President Obama, with an eye toward securing reelection, signed the Budget Control Act, which included $2 trillion in cuts. But now the president is refusing to negotiate on the debt ceiling and the GOP is still feeling the reverberations from a 16-day government shutdown in October that wreaked havoc on the party’s public approval while reaping almost nothing in exchange. A GOP decision on the debt ceiling is likely to come out of the annual House retreat scheduled for Jan. 29 in Maryland. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has told Congress he expects the government could be in danger of missing payments by early March, giving lawmakers a narrow window to find another borrowing boost. “The only way you lose the House is if Dems intercept a Hail Mary pass on the debt ceiling,” another GOP strategist said. “If you lose the House, you open the door to everything.” At the same time, GOP tacticians acknowledge that the party cannot look weak in the debt ceiling fight and simply grant the president the “clean” hike he wants. Furthermore, the timing of the fight means members facing conservative primary challenges will face a tough dilemma. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in December that the party would not accept “nothing” for the debt ceiling and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he could not imagine a clean increase. Tea Party and outside conservative groups said this week they are still formulating their approach. Feisty outside groups have helped pull congressional Republicans to the right in several past battles, but they came under intraparty criticism — most notably from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) — for pushing the GOP into the ill-fated shutdown fight over ObamaCare. With the debt limit looming as the next battleground, conservative forces are still looking for a policy win, but are not drawing any lines in the sand. “Conservatives have the expectation that the debt ceiling is an important tool to reduce the size and scope of the government,” said Dan Holler, spokesman for Heritage Action, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation. “That’s what conservatives are going to be looking for… Even so, Holler acknowledged that no clear overall strategy has crystallized around the debt limit yet. Some conservatives, however, are sounding as combative as ever. Tea Party conservative Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) made light of the warnings coming from those who are urging the party to wait until after the election before fighting on the debt again. “It’s the same ones that you always hear….cower in the corner and wait,” he said. “If Republicans want to win, we need to show what we stand for.” Huelskamp said he wants to push for a limitation that no new debt would be used to fund ObamaCare. But that kind of talk discomfits many strategists. “I want it to be whatever is bothering swing voters the most, their core complaint,” the long-time strategist said. “It has to be something that is not extreme." Mark McKinnon of Hill and Knowlton Strategies said the “equation is pretty clear. When Republicans screw with the debt ceiling and threaten a government shutdown, their unfavorable ratings go up. " “Most Republicans see that the shutdown was a mistake, and that there is more pragmatism in dealing with the debt ceiling,” said strategist Ron Bonjean. Meanwhile, a financial sector long weary of the debt-limit wars is a bit more optimistic that this latest battle will not serve as another threat to the global financial system. One senior financial services executive said recent comments from Republican leaders playing down the potential for another government shutdown have helped ease fears on Wall Street. McConnell has flatly ruled out a second shutdown, and Boehner’s harsh criticisms of outside groups make it obvious that he, too, would have little tolerance for such an approach. “The leadership…have made that point emphatically clear,” said the executive. “That’s an early signal we could be in for a smoother path this spring.” This executive also said he has heard unanimous agreement on Capitol Hill that this upcoming debt limit fight should be the last before the 2014 midterm elections. “There’s not an appetite to do this twice this year,” he said. “There’s enough responsible members that know that putting that scenario forward…that’s just fraught with turmoil.” http://thehill.com/homenews/194388-strategists-to-gop-restrain-yourselves-on-debt-ceiling
Saturday, January 4, 2014 12:55 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:15 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Well Niki if the GOP tries to shut down the government again or cause a default they are going to get the blame. Hopefully there are enough sane Republicans to counter act the teatards. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:21 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:22 PM
Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Go, Republicans, go! Fight to the death over the debt limit! Rant and yell! Shut down the government AGAIN! IN an ELECTION YEAR! (Oh, by the way, have a glass of this nice grape flavored Kool-Aid.)
Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:34 PM
Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: But UNLIKE the Republicans, I don't want to see anyone gain politically at the expense of the country, so the other part of me hopes saner heads prevail.
Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:42 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:47 PM
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Saturday, January 4, 2014 5:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Go, Republicans, go! Fight to the death over the debt limit! Rant and yell! Shut down the government AGAIN! IN an ELECTION YEAR! (Oh, by the way, have a glass of this nice grape flavored Kool-Aid.) I really doubt they will. Enough Republicans understand that they lose ground when they fight like this. I'm sure some will make noise, like Ted Cruz, ultimately he and others will be overruled. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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MAL4PREZ
Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:12 PM
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Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:46 PM
Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: OH, I don't think they're DUMB enough to keep causing trouble in an election year. They'd dump ANY principle to get re-elected; they'd throw their grandmothers under a bus-- that's what those GOP strategists are advocating. I just wish they would.
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6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:05 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Tuesday, April 11, 2023 5:38 AM
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Wednesday, May 31, 2023 5:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: $ 9 trillion in debt use to be 'unpatriotic'. But 17 trillion? Best just go w/ the flow, and don't make any trouble.
Wednesday, May 31, 2023 9:40 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: $ 9 trillion in debt use to be 'unpatriotic'. But 17 trillion? Best just go w/ the flow, and don't make any trouble. How the U.S. national debt reached $31.4 trillion https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-u-s-national-debt-reached-31-4-trillion
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