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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Nazis? You are ignoring the complete history of the Svobada party. You also forget that the Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from power. It was the Parliament who also put Olexander Turchynov in place as the interim president.

The opposition did not what to wait for early elections because that would have given Yanukovych to take Russian money and basically ensure some ties to Moscow in the future.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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It was the Parliament who also put Olexander Turchynov in place as the interim president.

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It was a Parliament which was missing the 35% of its representatives from the south and east who fled because they felt unsafe. Yep, democracy. Ain't it grand???

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52- It means they do not represent the people... are missing a significant group. Any selection as a result is likely to be unacceptable to a significant minority. Apparently this bothered the appointed government not a whit, which leads me to wonder what they're doing and who they think they're representing.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52- It means they do not represent the people... are missing a significant group. Any selection as a result is likely to be unacceptable to a significant minority. Apparently this bothered the appointed government not a whit, which leads me to wonder what they're doing and who they think they're representing.

MIKER- If you really think that completely burying your head in the sand... or someplace else less pleasant ... is "winning", then you've "won". I hope you enjoy the view, and the smell.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
They did not have the authority to select a new President, according to Ukrainian law.

What they SHOULD have done is keep Yanukovich as a placeholder, and hold early elections AS AGREED TO ALREADY. But the new government was rushing to ink a deal with the EU and the IMF, it was uncertain what elections would result in, so legality and representation be hanged.

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How many of you thought that Saddam had WMD?
Who among you thought that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria?
How many of you were surprised by 9-11?
Did any of you predict the meltdown of 2008?
Who thought that Russia invaded Georgia unprovoked?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not ME telling Ukrainians what to do, it's their Constitution. And right now, it's YOU telling them what to do: Ignore the wishes of the people! Kill them!

Oh, and BTW- please answer the following questions.

How many of you thought that Saddam had WMD?
Who among you thought that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria?
How many of you were surprised by 9-11?
Did any of you predict the meltdown of 2008?
Who thought that Russia invaded Georgia unprovoked?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
They did not have the authority to select a new President, according to Ukrainian law.

What they SHOULD have done is keep Yanukovich as a placeholder, and hold early elections AS AGREED TO ALREADY. But the new government was rushing to ink a deal with the EU and the IMF, it was uncertain what elections would result in, so legality and representation be hanged.

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Please give me a citation to show that the Parliament did not have the power to place an interim President.

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On February 21, 2014 the parliament passed a law that reinstated the December 8, 2004 amendments of the constitution.[16] This was passed under simplified procedure without any decision of the relevant committee and was passed in the first and the second reading in one voting by 386 deputies.[16] The law was approved by 140 MPs of the Party of Regions, 89 MPs of Batkivshchyna, 40 MPs of UDAR, 32 of the Communist Party, and 50 independent lawmakers.[16] According to Radio Free Europe, however, the measure was not signed by the then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who allegedly was subsequently removed from office without the constitutionally required procedures.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
They did not have the authority to select a new President, according to Ukrainian law.

What they SHOULD have done is keep Yanukovich as a placeholder, and hold early elections AS AGREED TO ALREADY. But the new government was rushing to ink a deal with the EU and the IMF, it was uncertain what elections would result in, so legality and representation be hanged.

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Please give me a citation to show that the Parliament did not have the power to place an interim President.

The first agreement had elections as late as December, after removing Yanukovich the Parliament announced elections in May. So elections sooner. Keeping Yanukovich as a place holder was not going to happen after his orders got so many protesters killed.

Elections in May or December? Which one seems more like a stall tactic?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Please give me a citation to show that the Parliament did not have the power to place an interim President.

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Why do I have to do your thinking for you?

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On February 21, 2014 the parliament passed a law that reinstated the December 8, 2004 amendments of the constitution.[16] This was passed under simplified procedure without any decision of the relevant committee and was passed in the first and the second reading in one voting by 386 deputies.[16] The law was approved by 140 MPs of the Party of Regions, 89 MPs of Batkivshchyna, 40 MPs of UDAR, 32 of the Communist Party, and 50 independent lawmakers.[16] According to Radio Free Europe, however, the measure was not signed by the then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who allegedly was subsequently removed from office without the constitutionally required procedures.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine

It's not grievances, MIKER. Gosh, I would have thought the intent would have been obvious, and not need explanation.

It's a short list of how people have been duped over and over again. Duped on 9-11, duped about Iraq, duped about Libya, Duped about Syria. Have you been duped your entire life? If you were lied to about many of these events, how do you know that the press isn't lying to you now???

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Keeping Yanukovich as a place holder was not going to happen after his orders got so many protesters killed.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52

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Keeping Yanukovich as a place holder was not going to happen after his orders got so many protesters killed.

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This has been unproven, but the snipers were most likely under orders from "revolution", as they continue to operate in the Ukraine, against the pro-Russians. Why do you keep repeating a falsehood? Did you believe that Saddam had WMD as well? Was Noriega really a major drug-runner? Was the economy really "on fire" in 2007?

Lookit, you guys are chock-a-block full of bull. You've been duped, and quite frankly aren't worth me taking any more of my day to argue bullshit. In four or five years - or perhaps more- this will be as clear as the lies that got us into Iraq. The only problem is, YOU'LL be five years too late.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52

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Keeping Yanukovich as a place holder was not going to happen after his orders got so many protesters killed.

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This has been unproven, but the snipers were most likely under orders from "revolution", as they continue to operate in the Ukraine, against the pro-Russians. Why do you keep repeating a falsehood? Did you believe that Saddam had WMD as well? Was Noriega really a major drug-runner? Was the economy really "on fire" in 2007?

Lookit, you guys are chock-a-block full of bull. You've been duped, and quite frankly aren't worth me taking any more of my day to argue bullshit. In four or five years - or perhaps more- this will be as clear as the lies that got us into Iraq. The only problem is, YOU'LL be five years too late.

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Originally posted by MIKER:

You two keep getting smacked down no matter who it is you are dealing with

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

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Originally posted by MIKER:

You two keep getting smacked down no matter who it is you are dealing with

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I did try to warn you. The Psycho Sisters feed off each other's vanity and delusions.

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removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of the special procedure
(??????????), set by the article 111 of this Constitution;

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of the special procedure
(??????????), set by the article 111 of this Constitution;

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Procedure not followed.
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/44a280124.pdf

Now, do you feel stupid?

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Show me where it says you are right

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Show me where it says you are right

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Oh yeah MIKER, it says right there in the Constitution ... "SIGNY IS RIGHT!" Didn't you see it??

Sheesh!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have really gone into the pigpen. It didn't take much to make you lose all reasonableness, did it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of the special procedure
(??????????), set by the article 111 of this Constitution;

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Procedure not followed.
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/44a280124.pdf

Now, do you feel stupid? You should. But, you're probably used to the feeling by now, which is why you had to descend to Jongsstraw's level. But, since you've had your head up someone else's ass for so many years, you're probably used to Jongsstraw's pigpen smell as well.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of the special procedure
(??????????), set by the article 111 of this Constitution;

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Procedure not followed.
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/44a280124.pdf

Now, do you feel stupid? You should. But, you're probably used to the feeling by now, which is why you had to descend to Jongsstraw's level. But, since you've had your head up someone else's ass for so many years, you're probably used to Jongsstraw's pigpen smell as well.

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What in the hell are you talking about?

"Article 111.
The president of Ukraine can be removed from a post by Supreme Soviet of Ukraine in order of ?????????? in the case of accomplishing by him high treason or other crime."

?????????? = impeachment

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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I think it is over. Great job in providing facts

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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I think it is over. Great job in providing facts

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Yes, THANK YOU! Since I proved my facts.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.

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Originally posted by MIKER:

Not at all. Show me where it says you are right.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2010

Article 111

The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.

The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission whose composition includes a special procurator and special investigators.

The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.



For cause, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than two-thirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.

The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.

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Or, the website is down.

You're are right the procedure was not followed, or it seems like it was not.

The Parliament's resolution called Yanukoich leaving Kiev a self-withdrawal.

http://georgia.mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news-from-ukraine/717-verkho
vna-rada-ukrajini-uhvalila-postanovu-pro-samousunennya-prezidenta-ukrajini-vid-vikonannya-konstitucijnih-povnovazheny-ta-priznachennya-pozachergovih-viboriv-prezidenta-ukrajini



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Really? Did they follow this entire legal procedure? Yes or no.

Or are legalities triflings to you?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Really? Did they follow this entire legal procedure (111)? Yes or no.

Or are legalities triflings to you? "Cause, yanno, if you're steamed enough and you have guns it makes whatever you do right ...

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Then take that up with Miker, KPO, Jongsie et al who keep INSISTING! he was legally impeached.

As for your point - be a dear and show me where it says there is such a charge in the constitution.

Meanwhile, I have more important things to do like track down a chicken in garlic sauce recipe.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
But he didn't leave the country. So why would they claim he 'abandoned' his post?

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I let this go earlier but you got insulting

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The president at the time had protesters shot and he was corrupt as hell

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But he didn't leave the country. So why would they claim he 'abandoned' his post?-KIKi
Then how did he wind up in Russia? -MIKER

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
But he didn't leave the country. So why would they claim he 'abandoned' his post?

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