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Satan's Handiwork

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Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:17 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629356/Satans-handiwork-Paren
ts-rail-against-controversial-Common-Core-math-standards-confusing-frustrating.html

Believe it or not, that term actually applies. We had some serious problems on our end with it last year and the year before. The problem is (I'm guessing here) that they hired math majors to write the curriculum, not child learning specialists with a math background. Hubbs did Trig for the degree he had, and was pretty good at math, and it left HIM scratching his head.
For any given problem, they would have the kids do weeks on weeks of trying to get them to estimate a problem four different ways, and THEN teach the standard way, which would work great for adults and would give a more comprehensive idea of how math in general works, but younger children lack that kind of strategic memory that let them differentiate between practice math and working math, especially the millions of kids with any kind of attention problems, or my kid who has a visual/spatial number translation problem. They would send home these worksheets that lacked any explanation on how to do the problem (which would be marginally explained to the kids at school) and the parents were left to reverse engineer estimation math that most of us haven't reviewed in thirty years or so. I must have sent a dozen sheets back to school with a note saying "She didn't understand the instructions you gave seven hours ago and I have no idea why you would estimate this to begin with"
I made a complaint to the principal, and he just shook his head like "aren't you stupid" but most of the parents I talked to said they didn't get it either. A recent study said over 90% of parents couldn't. Fortunately Indiana has now been the first to dump this Common Core b.s., but they haven't said what they plan to do next...
The sad thing is, my kid got an education helper, and they spent most of their time playing word games like "She sells seashells" I mean WTF????

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Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:16 PM

WISHIMAY

Aww, no one wants ta talk about math? I'm Shocked!

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Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:44 PM

CHRISISALL

At expense to our family budget we hired a tutor many years back. Our Son is a math wiz.
No thanks to our government that provides funding for drones & the 'drug war' but will not invest in the future of America.

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Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:13 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

There's an AP article about the problems parents are having with Common Core.

http://www.wtop.com/346/3622629/22What-This-math-makes-blood-boil

The comments relating to this article are as interesting as the article itself.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, May 16, 2014 8:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

http://time.com/#38816/dads-rant-about-common-core-math-problem-goes-v
iral/

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 9:11 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
At expense to our family budget we hired a tutor many years back. Our Son is a math wiz.
No thanks to our government that provides funding for drones & the 'drug war' but will not invest in the future of America.

Really most of her problem, as mine was, is that we have learning delay. Our brains don't mature math wise until later. And it's not that we're stupid, it's that all the little questions that everyone else ignores, we CAN'T proceed until we fully grasp the problem. We tend to be question askers and look at the problem from all sides, not just hit it square on. Schools just aren't set up for that at all. Realistically, people like us need to just go over basics for another year or two until those neurons are ready. I feel that if they had allowed me to mature into it instead of forcing me into it, I would have willingly gone to higher math and liked it, rather than getting fed up with it and dropping it on the first opportunity...

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Friday, May 16, 2014 9:26 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

Really most of her problem, as mine was, is that we have learning delay. Our brains don't mature math wise until later.

IE problem students. No time for that. "F" for you.

Some schools care, others will be like the above.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 9:54 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
http://time.com/#38816/dads-rant-about-common-core-math-problem-goes-v
iral/

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

So can anyone explain how to solve this problem using the "number line"?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, May 16, 2014 10:05 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
http://time.com/#38816/dads-rant-about-common-core-math-problem-goes-v
iral/

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

So can anyone explain how to solve this problem using the "number line"?

I'd have to have the convoluted thinking behind the concept explained first. I'd just do the actual math as well.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 10:22 AM

AGENTROUKA

Something tells me that whatever benefit may be reaped from this new method is utterly being squashed by the simple fact that they forgot to consider the parents.

Some kind of helpful information sheet for the parents, explaining what the heck a "place value" or "number disc" is might have been a good idea?

Or did they do that and it just didn't work?

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Friday, May 16, 2014 10:27 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
So can anyone explain how to solve this problem using the "number line"?

Common Core has a hidden assumption: that every small child has a Casio calculator with great big buttons. If that isn't true then the teaching of abstract word problems will have to wait until the child really can do with pencil and paper what a 6 dollar calculator does.

What the kid did wrong was change the problem from 427 – 316 to 427 – 361.
Then the kid really started screwing up :
427 – 361 = 427 – 3*100 – 6*10 – 1 became
427 – 361 = 427 – 3*100 – 5*10 – 1*20

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 16, 2014 12:41 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

This is not a new phenomenon. Those of us of a certain age will remember Tom Lehrer from the early '60's:

Hooray for New Math...

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Friday, May 16, 2014 2:39 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Or did they do that and it just didn't work?

No, they totally didn't. That's what I meant by the "reverse engineering" line. We had to guess at the terminology they DID use too...

I think with things like that problem they were trying to make math less intimidating and break it down in chunks, but that only works if you are proficient at solving it the basic way first. I know because that's what I do in my head NOW. I break it up in chunks because-like my kid- I don't have the visual reference part for numbers in my head. Literally CAN'T see the numbers. They get lost between the seeing the paper and seeing them in my head and are messed up and incomplete by the time they get there. Welcome to dyspraxia!

The problem is that teaching that on paper is much more difficult than learning the standard way, and it's something you either figure out for yourself later, or you don't... I know several people who can only see the numbers and do the problem like they are writing on imaginary paper, I can't do that at all...

There is dozens of ways to do every problem, and that's what held ME up as a kid, waiting for my brain to come up with the most efficient route FOR ME.
I still have to count on my fingers for some things with small amounts, but large amounts are easy. Go figure...I've never been able get that one...

P.S. I hada use digital clocks until I was 12, too.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:07 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

I still have to count on my fingers for some things with small amounts,

I don't count on my fingers, but for some paper and pencil arithmetic, I make 9 or sometimes 10 little dots on the paper, and count THEM.

On the large level here, though, the problem is the difference between ARITHMETIC and MATHEMATICS. The basic processes of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, everybody uses them 100's of times a day: How many quarters does it take to do the laundry at the Wash-O-Mat? How much change should I get with my Big Mac? Can I afford ice cream cones for me and my sister and my friend?

Many fewer of us deal with: what is the area of that round piston, and how much force is acting on it? What is the area of this factory? If I gotta mix 1 scoop of Gatorade in 1 quart of water, how much do I put in a 5 gallon cooler? What is the length of that side of a triangle, without building it first to check?

Sometimes Math guys make Arithmetic harder, to teach the underlying Mathematical principle. May not be right, in the short run, or even the LONG run for that matter, but that's what they're trying to do. .

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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:13 PM

OONJERAH

Math gene, runs in the family.

After HS, several times in my adult life, friends, relatives would ask me to
help them or their kid with the math. But I don't use math now near as
much as arthmetic ... half forgot it. So I'd begin by skimming thru the
chapter they were working on to refresh my memory.

Every time, the math book was different from the one before it & from
my HS books. They keep changin' 'em every few years. From my POV,
the simplest approach is best, so stick with the (old) books that worked.
KISS

How would they know which books worked?
In the years with the highest rate of kids passing math, those books worked.

I don't suppose the world was ever sane. (sigh)

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:52 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

A good article on the Common Core (in its defence):

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/20/5625086/the-common-core-makes-simple-math
-more-complicated-heres-why

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 4:03 PM

CHRISISALL

Thanks KPO, I get it now. It's not that hard, just a break down I wasn't familiar with. I do stuff like that in my head & on my fingers all the time.

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Monday, May 19, 2014 12:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I think it might be good to at least expose the kids to these kinds of things in the more rural areas. God knows that in any city I've ever lived in that it would be a lost cause.

Meanwhile, that's what every kid in India and China and other "3rd World" countries are learning by 6th grade.

Fight them if they penalize your kid for it, but laud them for actually trying.

Collectively, we're fucking dum Wish.

I would have given anything for more intellectual stimulus back in those early days. Not now..... You can't teach an old dog, and all of that.....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 19, 2014 8:07 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Collectively, we're fucking dum Wishimay.

HEY, I think my husband might have a word or two to say about that... Well, it depends if he's on his meds or not. He might say sure, have at it. I warn you all, I'm VERY VERY pale!

All aboard the Literal Train now!

EDITED TO ADD: I told my husband what you said and he said "Oh, it's one of those "we're going to eat grandma" vs "we're going to eat, grandma" moments.

And then he said "Not a dum fucking chance, bud"

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Collectively, we're fucking dum Wishimay.

HEY, I think my husband might have a word or two to say about that... Well, it depends if he's on his meds or not. He might say sure, have at it. I warn you all, I'm VERY VERY pale!

All aboard the Literal Train now!

EDITED TO ADD: I told my husband what you said and he said "Oh, it's one of those "we're going to eat grandma" vs "we're going to eat, grandma" moments.

And then he said "Not a dum fucking chance, bud"

Hehe Wish. I didn't get any of that. Granted, I'm drunk, but even though we all "live in the States", we don't all speak the same lingo...

Meds or not, most of us are dum.

My dad should be a saint. Somehow he stuck with his 5th and final Son and made sure he had the proper meds to keep himself from a padded cell to be as awesome a genius he could be on top of totally paid for Ultra-Premium College Education at a college where Warren Buffet is on the board.

I love my bro, but seriously dude? Fuck you. (I love you)

I must have been in the bathroom when God was handing out free rides to my Dad's kids....

Oh... you meant......

You dirty, dirty Vixen, you..... ;)

Props to Hubbs for a proper response to our juvenile fun here.

I feel no shame. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:16 PM

WISHIMAY

You should probably be aware that dum has a b on the end. Not that I care or that I think there SHOULD be a "b" on the end....but, there you have it...

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Saturday, July 22, 2023 7:45 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

That expensive Common Core Sheeeeiiit Yo wuz Kangz Maffs

Common Core Was Always Doomed. Five Principles (At Least) That Joe Biden Can Learn From The Core’s Failure.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2021/04/29/common-core-was-al
ways-doomed-five-principles-at-least-that-joe-biden-can-learn-from-the-cores-failure/

School district faces CRT battle after book teaches 'white America is a syndicate'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/south-carolina-crt-school-dist
rict-dispute

Whistleblowers Says Fox News Is Financially Supporting Satanic Temple And Planned Parenthood
https://magaconservatives.com/whistleblowers-says-fox-news-is-financia
lly-supporting-satanic-temple-and-planned-parenthood/

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