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A new kind of Ebola?

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:17 PM

THGRRI


Sig, I point to your motivations instead of what you post because your motivations fuel your preconceptions. Those preconceptions lead you to peruse false interpretations of the facts put forth by propaganda news sites and to misrepresent what it says at reliable sites. Just as you misrepresent what I and others say here in response to your posts.

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR: I point to your motivations instead of what you post because your motivations fuel your preconceptions. Those preconceptions lead you to peruse false interpretations of the facts put forth by propaganda news sites and to misrepresent what it says at reliable sites. Just as you misrepresent what I and others say here in response to your posts. And the reason WHY you misinterpret so heavily is because....

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:35 PM

THGRRI


I don't think so Sig...

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:37 PM

SIGNYM

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I don't think so, THUGR.

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:48 PM

THGRRI


It is sad how you have lost the ability to speak for yourself so you are left with cutting and pasting my words to make your points. 1kiki does that as well.

Very sad indeed.

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"You mean my repeated suggestions not to trust any source?"

No, it's that you say one thing and do another. When Kiev says that Russia is attacking across the border and it's posted from WashPost - do you object? When Mal4 repeatedly posted 'facts' from Sky News (facts which were not found anywhere else) did you object? When Signy posted irrefitable videos from Odessa, did you accept them?

Your mistrust, which you claim to wield fairly, is exquisitely selective. If you agree with an item, you accept it whole cloth, source and facts be damned. If you have any kind of personal itch about an item - you don't like the facts or the source - no amount of validity will move you.

Anyway, believe it or not, I have a life. And it doesn't include spending endless amounts of time on people who are so comfortable with their biases they don't even know they have them.




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Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:06 PM

THGRRI


Your repeated suggestions not to trust any source comes directly from G. You saying it when the facts show you do not practice what you preach is funny and does not go unnoticed by the myself and hopefully others here as well.

The rest is you accusing others of posting as you do which is even funnier. It's called bait and switch.

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Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:04 PM

THGRRI


Are you paying attention Magon?
Quote:

….1kiki
"You mean my repeated suggestions not to trust any source?"



Taking what G says and adapting it as her own as though that is what she has always been about, even though we know this to be false.

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….1kiki
When Kiev says that Russia is attacking across the border and it's posted from WashPost - do you object?



Meaningless and subjective. No prof to suggest Kiev was the only source the Washington Post relied on, if what 1kiki says about the story existing is even true. If it is it may have followed a statement put out by our State Department or may even have been confirmed by other sources. At any rate it maybe near impossible to go back and refute. Meaningless…and what she will post as not being answered in her follow up post. "So you refuse to answer what I said or so you admit not believing the truth". Is what she will follow with.

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….1kiki
No, it's that you say one thing and do another. When Mal4 repeatedly posted 'facts' from Sky News (facts which were not found anywhere else) did you object? When Signy posted irrefitable videos from Odessa, did you accept them?



More of the same including a bait and switch. She suggests G says one thing and does another. This is what she does not G. The rest is subjective again. No information that suggests if G even responded to these posts. If he did we know 1kiki takes things out of context. So again without some sort of reference to refer to, just more useless information she will insist was not answer in her next post. Why Magon would anyone respond to it? It is to be ignored. Chris are you reading this? Do you get it?

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….1kiki
Your mistrust, which you claim to wield fairly, is exquisitely selective. If you agree with an item, you accept it whole cloth, source and facts be damned. If you have any kind of personal itch about an item - you don't like the facts or the source - no amount of validity will move you.



G being exquisitely selective about believing only what suits him should be recognized by all familiar with his posts as being not true. I would point out as well that if anyone here has an itch to scratch it is Sig and 1kiki. They keep starting threads trying to do just that. Scratch that itch.
You have been posting here for much longer than I Magon. You should recognize this as accurate.

Quote:

…kiki
Anyway, believe it or not, I have a life. And it doesn't include spending endless amounts of time on people who are so comfortable with their biases they don't even know they have them anymore.



And again, accusing others of what she has been shown to be. Falsely asserting she is right and moves on. Classic 1kiki, and that Magon is where (you're) focus should be. On the person, what is it they are doing and how are they doing it. If they did not have an agenda then a true discussion would ensue. With this one it is impossible.

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Friday, August 15, 2014 9:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


Are you paying attention Magon? Taking what G says and adapting it as her own as though that is what she has always been about, even though "we" know this to be false.

Talking to yourself again?



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Friday, August 15, 2014 9:27 PM

SIGNYM

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From the World Health Organization

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_08_08_ebola/en/

Reporting.....New
period .......Cases ....Deaths
AUG 12-13.....152 ......76
AUG 10-11 ....128 ......56
AUG 7-9 ......69........52
AUG 5-6 ......68 .......29
AUG 2-4 ......108 ......45
Jul 31-AUG 1..163.......61
JUL 24-27.....122.......57
JUL 21-23.....108.......12
JUL 18-20.....45........28

I can't correct the formatting, so I hope this is clear. It looks like the new cases dipped in early August but shot up again, almost matching the peak in late July.

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Saturday, August 16, 2014 1:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Those are interesting statistics. I woudn't know the mechanism(s) that led to them.

As for new reports, it was splashed all over the news that the WHO said Ebola numbers are vastly underestimated. But then, they always are. People go back to their isolated villages, which are then wiped out without accounting. Even in 'normal' times where there are no known outbreaks, it's assumed there are minor outbreaks that decimate entire isolated villages that go undetected. Is this outbreak MORE vastly underestimated than normal? Hard to say.

So, the usual msm outlets in the US reported both that it was vastly underestimated, but then also quickly reported that Médecins Sans Frontières estimated the outbreak would be controlled in up to 6 months. ? http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/15/who-to
ll-of-ebola-outbreak-has-been-vastly-underestimated
/ is a pretty good example.

English language al Jazeera reported similarly but more completely.

The Guardian put a whole different angle on it - far more alarmist. http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/aug/15/ebola-outbre
ak-vastly-underestimated-world-health-organisation
"has been vastly underestimated and will require “extraordinary measures, on a massive scale” if it is to be contained, the World Health Organisation has warned. The admission came as Médecins sans Frontières (MSF), the medical charity, said the disease was spreading “faster than we can respond to”, and accused the WHO of being too slow to react." and "MSF, which warned almost a month ago that the outbreak was already “out of control”, issued a bleak assessment of the situation on Friday. “It is deteriorating faster – and moving faster – than we can respond to,” said Joanne Liu, MSF international president. “It is like wartime.”"




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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Both India and China have a lot of nationals in western Africa.

Kenya is a hub of transportation which connects west Africa to places farther east. Kenya has one of the largest slums in the world (Kibera).

*waits for news*

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Friday, August 22, 2014 7:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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In case anyone is wondering, the 2 patients who were flown back to the US for treatment have fully recovered and were released from Emory Hospital yesterday.

Far less media attention has been spent on them walking out of the hospital than was given to them being brought.

2 wins for the good guys.

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Friday, August 22, 2014 9:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Dates............new.......deaths
Aug 14 to 16....125 .......99
Aug 17 to 19 ...221*.......106


* Highest "new case" count so far. Everyone, including WHO, agrees that these counts are greatly underreported. Fortunately this isn't a new kind of Ebola, just the old kind of Ebola with an R of about 1.5. Unfortunately, it's the old kind of Ebola in a new kind of (urban slum) setting.

Entire neighborhoods and villages are being cordoned off. Food isn't getting in. Society is breaking down. None of this is widely reported.

We should start a betting pool on when this will turn around and how many deaths will occur before this ends. (Estimated actual deaths, not just WHO-reported ones.) Medicins sans Frontiere's guess is about six months on the duration, and my guess on the deaths is tens of thousands. Any takers?

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Yes, RAPPY, one for the good guys. In looking up Ebola, it seems that people don't actually bleed to death ... most victims don't develop hemorrhagic symptoms anyway... but die from lost blood pressure and organ failure. Sounds more like sepsis-type symptoms. With sufficient supportive care... infusions, vasopressors etc ... many more people could survive.

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Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The video shows how Ebola might have spread from bushmeat to humans, but right now the only vector is human-to-human. Lack of health care, general filth and squalor, and lack of education are creating a threat of potential worldwide proportions.

But that's what happens when you trample on your nation's poor in order to suck up more wealth. Sooner or later, it comes to bite you- either in the form of epidemic, or economic collapse, or revolution.

I was talking about Ebola with Rue (some of you may remember). We were discussing a paper which tracked the many genetic changes that this virus has demonstrated, just since the beginning of this particular outbreak.

One of the points that Rue brought up, while noticing the lower death rate, is that a very "hot" virus which kills its hosts quickly is subject to genetic pressure to be not quite so deadly. Because variants which drop the victim on the spot never have a chance to spread. OTOH, viruses in the milieu of a crowded urban environment would seem to have an open pathway towards becoming more transmissible. In other words, those variants which survive longer in the air or on common surfaces would be selected for reproduction.

So maybe while the original kind of Ebola was NOT a new kind of Ebola, maybe it's becoming a new kind of Ebola during this epidemic. This has implications not only for the epidemic itself, but also for vaccines and other immunological treatments being developed.

Ebola hits fifth W. African state as Senegal confirms first case
Quote:

Dakar (AFP) - The Ebola epidemic that has killed more than 1,500 people across West Africa spread to a fifth country in the region on Friday with the first confirmed case of the deadly virus in Senegal.

The case marks the first time a new country has been hit by the outbreak since July and comes a day after the World Health Organization warned the number of infections was increasing rapidly....

Senegal's health ministry said the country's first Ebola patient was a young Guinean man who was immediately quarantined at a Dakar hospital, where he was in a "satisfactory condition".

The man is believed to have been infected in Guinea's capital Conakry, and may have travelled to Senegal before Dakar closed its land border with Guinea on August 21.

Authorities are now scrabbling to piece together where he went and who he encountered, in a bid to halt the spread of the deadly virus.


http://news.yahoo.com/senegal-reports-first-case-ebola-health-ministry
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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So far Ebola is still the same old Ebola in one very important way - it's not airborne.

But this epidemic has the chance of becoming unlike any other in modern history. According to recent publications, it could spread worldwide into megacities - and I'll add, their superslums. Myself, a source at USC and Signy just came up with a very incomplete list - Mumbai, Rio, Mexico City, Johannesburg, Dhaka, Manila, and Jakarta. There is nothing I can think of that makes those superslums any different from Liberia.

Can you imagine Ebola in Mexico City? From there it would inevitably cross into the US population. It might then take root in our most disadvantaged areas. Which are only a car ride away from the population as a whole.



http://www.wired.com/2014/09/r0-ebola/
The Mathematics of Ebola Trigger Stark Warnings: Act Now or Regret It
By Maryn McKenna | 09.14.14 | 12:07 pm



The Ebola epidemic in Africa has continued to expand since I last wrote about it, and as of a week ago, has accounted for more than 4,200 cases and 2,200 deaths in five countries: Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal and Sierra Leone. That is extraordinary: Since the virus was discovered, no Ebola outbreak’s toll has risen above several hundred cases. This now truly is a type of epidemic that the world has never seen before. In light of that, several articles were published recently that are very worth reading.

The most arresting is a piece published last week http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20894 in the journal Eurosurveillance, which is the peer-reviewed publication of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (the EU’s Stockholm-based version of the US CDC). The piece is an attempt to assess mathematically how the epidemic is growing, by using case reports to determine the “reproductive number.” (Note for non-epidemiology geeks: The basic reproductive number — usually shorted to R0 or “R-nought” — expresses how many cases of disease are likely to be caused by any one infected person. An R0 of less than 1 means an outbreak will die out; an R0 of more than 1 means an outbreak can be expected to increase. If you saw the movie Contagion, this is what Kate Winslet stood up and wrote on a whiteboard early in the film.)(my note: briefly considering it, I can't think of any mathematical expression that will allow for a geometric increase rather than an exponential one.)

The Eurosurveillance paper, by two researchers from the University of Tokyo and Arizona State University, attempts to derive what the reproductive rate has been in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. (Note for actual epidemiology geeks: The calculation is for the effective reproductive number, pegged to a point in time, hence actually Rt.) They come up with an R of at least 1, and in some cases 2; that is, at certain points, sick persons have caused disease in two others.

You can see how that could quickly get out of hand, and in fact, that is what the researchers predict. Here is their stop-you-in-your-tracks assessment:

In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014.

That is a jaw-dropping number.



The epidemic curves of the Ebola epidemic; look especially at the line for Liberia. From Nishiura and Chowell.

What should we do with information like this? At the end of last week, two public health experts published warnings that we need to act urgently in response.

First, Dr. Richard E. Besser: He is now the chief health editor of ABC News, but earlier was acting director of the US CDC, including during the 2009-10 pandemic of H1N1 flu; so, someone who understands what it takes to stand up a public-health response to an epidemic. In his piece in the Washington Post, “The world yawns as Ebola takes hold in West Africa,” he says bluntly: “I don’t think the world is getting the message.”

He goes on:

The level of response to the Ebola outbreak is totally inadequate. At the CDC, we learned that a military-style response during a major health crisis saves lives…

We need to establish large field hospitals staffed by Americans to treat the sick. We need to implement infection-control practices to save the lives of health-care providers. We need to staff burial teams to curb disease transmission at funerals. We need to implement systems to detect new flare-ups that can be quickly extinguished. A few thousand U.S. troops could provide the support that is so desperately needed.


Aid ought to be provided on humanitarian grounds alone, he argues — but if that isn’t adequate rationale, he adds that aid offered now could protect us in the West from the non-medical effects of Ebola’s continuing to spread: “Epidemics destabilize governments, and many governments in West Africa have a very short history of stability. U.S. aid would improve global security.”

Should we really be concerned about the global effect of this Ebola epidemic? In the New York Times, Dr. Michael T. Osterholm of the University of Minnesota* — an epidemiologist and federal advisor famous for inadvertently predicting the 2001 anthrax attacks — says yes, we should. In “What We’re Afraid to Say About Ebola,” he warns: “The Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.”

He goes on:

There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums…

The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air… viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.


Like Besser, Osterholm says that the speed, size and organization of the response that is needed demands a governmental investment, but he looks beyond the US government alone:

We need someone to take over the position of “command and control.” The United Nations is the only international organization that can direct the immense amount of medical, public health and humanitarian aid that must come from many different countries and nongovernmental groups to smother this epidemic. Thus far it has played at best a collaborating role, and with everyone in charge, no one is in charge.

A Security Council resolution could give the United Nations total responsibility for controlling the outbreak, while respecting West African nations’ sovereignty as much as possible. The United Nations could, for instance, secure aircraft and landing rights…

The United Nations should provide whatever number of beds are needed; the World Health Organization has recommended 1,500, but we may need thousands more. It should also coordinate the recruitment and training around the world of medical and nursing staff, in particular by bringing in local residents who have survived Ebola, and are no longer at risk of infection. Many countries are pledging medical resources, but donations will not result in an effective treatment system if no single group is responsible for coordinating them


I’ve spent enough time around public health people, in the US and in the field, to understand that they prefer to express themselves conservatively. So when they indulge in apocalyptic language, it is unusual, and notable.

When one of the most senior disease detectives in the US begins talking about “plague,” knowing how emotive that word can be, and another suggests calling out the military, it is time to start paying attention.

*Disclosure: From 2006 to 2010, I worked part-time at the disease news site, CIDRAP, that Osterholm founded. For that matter, I used to be in a book club with Besser, too.





http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/20-chance-ebola-usa-october-2
77124-global-cases-year-end-model-predicts


20% Chance Of Ebola In USA By October; 277,124 Global Cases By Year-End, Model Predicts

"There's nothing to be optimistic about," warns the professor who developed the Global Epidemic and Mobility Model to assess outbreaks, "if the number of cases increases and we are not able to start taming the epidemic, then it will be too late. And then it requires an effort that will be impossible to bring on the ground." As FredHutch reports, the deadly Ebola epidemic raging across West Africa will likely get far worse before it gets better, more than doubling the number of known cases by the end of this month, predicting as many as 10,000 cases of Ebola virus disease could be detected by Sept. 24 – and thousands more after that. “The cat’s already out of the box – way, way out," as the analysis of global mobility and epidemic patterns shows a rougly 25% chance of Ebola detection in the UK by the end of September and 18% it will turn up in the USA. "I hope to be wrong, he concludes, but "the data points are still aligned with the worst-case scenario."



Via FredHutch,

The next three weeks will be crucial to determining whether the Ebola outbreak is tamed or rages out of control, the experts agreed.



...



WHO officials have predicted as many as 20,000 cases of Ebola and laid out a “road map” for the outbreak response that calls for stopping the outbreak within six to nine months. But that’s only if a “massive” global response is implemented.



The scenario modeled in the new paper suggests that the actual number of cases could far exceed the WHO estimate – and far sooner. Vespignani said he and his colleagues are calibrating the model every couple of weeks to see whether there’s any change. So far, the answer is no.



“The data points are still aligned with the worst-case scenario,” Vespignani said. “It’s a bad feeling. I hope to be wrong.”



That’s a sentiment echoed by Longini, who said that he and other disease modelers are dismayed by what they see.



“There’s nothing to be optimistic about,” he said. “It’s frustrating. It feels like there should be a more concentrated international effort to help these countries.”

The latest counts Monday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which include WHO and Ministry of Health reports, put the total at 4,061 cases and 2,107 deaths.

The deadly Ebola epidemic raging across West Africa will likely get far worse before it gets better, more than doubling the number of known cases by the end of this month.



That’s the word from disease modelers at Northeastern University and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, who predict as many as 10,000 cases of Ebola virus disease could be detected by Sept. 24 – and thousands more after that.



“The epidemic just continues to spread without any end in sight,” said Dr. Ira Longini, a biostatistician at the the University of Florida and an affiliated member of Fred Hutch’s Vaccine and Infectious Disease and Public Health Sciences divisions. “The cat’s already out of the box – way, way out.”



It’s only a matter of time, they add, before the virus could start spreading to other places, including previously unaffected countries in Africa and developed nations like the United Kingdom -- and the U.S., according to a paper published Sept. 2 in the journal PLOS Currents Outbreaks.



There’s a roughly 25 percent chance Ebola will be detected in the United Kingdom– and as much as an 18 percent chance it will turn up in the U.S. – by the end of September, the analysis of global mobility and epidemic patterns shows. The new paper includes the top 16 countries where Ebola is most likely to spread.



Though concerning, a spread to Western nations is not the biggest threat. At most, there would be a cluster of a few cases imported to the U.S., probably through air travel.



...



“We are at a crucial point,” Vespiginani said. “If the number of cases increases and we are not able to start taming the epidemic, then it will be too late. And then it requires an effort that will be impossible to bring on the ground.”

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As we noted previously, this is anything but "contained"

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As another epidemiolgist (and federal advisor) - Dr. Michael T. Osterholm of the University of Minnesotta - warns:

I’ve spent enough time around public health people, in the US and in the field, to understand that they prefer to express themselves conservatively. So when they indulge in apocalyptic language, it is unusual, and notable.



When one of the most senior disease detectives in the US begins talking about “plague,” knowing how emotive that word can be, and another suggests calling out the military, it is time to start paying attention.

There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums…



The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air… viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.




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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:21 AM

SIGNYM

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Just a few comments...


A few weeks ago, when the UN (CDC?) was predicting the ultimate number of cases, my brain took up the task and guessed "hundreds of thousands" and possibly more. I really don't see a natural end to this epidemic.... it could conceivably continue in slums/impoverished megacities throughout the world until every vulnerable person was infected and half had died. Millions. Hundreds of millions. Maybe even billions. When THEY were at the time touting 20,000 I assumed I must be wrong.

This is like global warming: it's easy to deny a mathematical certainty as long as the denier is personally comfortable. It's not until danger is literally at the doorstep that many people actually react, and by then it's too late.

And what is the USA sending??? Doctors? Nurses? Protective gear? Field tents? Infusion solutions and vasopressors? Bleach?
NOPE!
Soldiers!
Because, yanno, no good crisis should be ignored as an oppty to place American soldiers on every square mile of foreign soil!
Yeesh.


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Friday, September 19, 2014 4:31 AM

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The UN security council has called the Ebola outbreak "a threat to international peace and security" and urged the world to provide health experts, field hospitals and medical supplies.

A resolution adopted unanimously by the UN's most powerful body at an emergency meeting with an unprecedented 130 countries as co-sponsors reflected the rising global concern at the outbreak.

It was only the second time that the security council has addressed a public health emergency, the first being the HIV/Aids pandemic.

The UN health chief, Dr Margaret Chan, said the "deadly and dreaded Ebola virus got ahead of us" and it was time to urgently catch up.

"This is likely the greatest peacetime challenge that the United Nations and its agencies have ever faced," she said.

The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, said the number of Ebola cases was doubling every three weeks. He called for a 20-fold increase in aid totalling almost $1bn (£600m) to tackle the crisis over the next six months.

Ban said the largest outbreak of Ebola in history "demands the attention of the world" and "unprecedented" action.

The UN is leading the global response to contain and eradicate Ebola and Ban announced that he was establishing a UN emergency mission to tackle the growing challenge.

He thanked the US president, Barack Obama, for sending 3,000 troops to provide expertise in logistics, training and engineering. He also credited about 20 other countries which have responded with contributions and urged all nations coming to the UN general assembly ministerial meeting next week to follow suit.

After the emergency UN meeting, Dr Joanne Liu, the international president of Médecins Sans Frontières, said: "MSF welcomes the emergency Ebola meeting of the UN security council.

"We call on member states and others to follow the lead of countries who have committed to join the fight against Ebola. We need concrete action on the ground now.

"Speed is of the essence. Although dangerously late, the pledges such as those of the US and UK are ambitious, but they must be implemented now. We do not have months or even weeks to wait. Thousands of lives are at stake. Other countries must commit to deploying assets and staff to the affected region as soon as possible.

"We are in uncharted waters. It is impossible to predict if the current pledges are enough because we do not know how the situation will degenerate in the coming weeks.

"There is no response too large. Flexibility to adapt to this unpredictable situation is paramount. Field hospitals, trained staff and coordination are desperately needed bring Ebola under control. Today."

The security council encouraged the governments of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea to accelerate the rapid diagnosis and isolation of suspected Ebola cases and launch public education campaigns about the virus. It also encouraged the three governments "to continue efforts to resolve and mitigate the wider political, security and humanitarian dimensions of the Ebola outbreak".

The resolution addresses the "detrimental effect" of the isolation of the affected countries, especially on their economies. It calls for the lifting of travel and border restrictions, a resumption of shipping and air service to the affected countries and increased efforts to deliver health workers and supplies.

Jackson Niamah, a team leader for MSF at a treatment centre in the Liberian capital, Monrovia, told the council by videoconference that there were not enough centres and beds. People "are sitting at the gates of our centres, literally begging for their lives" and "are dying at our front door", he said.

"They rightly feel alone, neglected, denied left to die a horrible, undignified death," Naimah said. "We are failing the sick because there is not enough help on the ground. If the international community does not stand up, we will be wiped out."



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Sierra Leone has commenced a three-day shutdown intended to contain the spread of the Ebola virus, as the UN security council declared the deadly outbreak a threat to world peace.

Most of Sierra Leone's population of six million were confined to their homes from midnight, with only essential workers such as health professionals and security forces exempt.

Almost 30,000 volunteers will go door to door to educate residents and hand out soap, in an exercise that could lead to scores more patients and bodies being discovered in people's homes.

Health experts have criticised the shutdown, arguing that coercive measures to stem the epidemic could backfire and will be extremely hard to implement.

Médecins sans Frontières (MSF) said lockdowns may end up driving people underground and could "jeopardise the trust between people and health providers".

Sierra Leone's president, Ernest Koroma, said that if the population heeded the volunteers' advice, "the campaign will greatly help to reverse the increasing trend of the disease transmission and become a very big boost to our collective effort to stop the outbreak."

In a message broadcast on television and radio, Koroma said: "These are extraordinary times and extraordinary times require extraordinary measures."

There is mounting global concern over the Ebola epidemic, which has killed more than 2,600 people in west Africa. In Guinea, paranoia over Ebola is so rife that seven people sent to educate villagers on the disease were found dead after being attacked by locals who apparently feared the delegation meant them harm.





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Friday, September 19, 2014 1:05 PM

SIGNYM

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An effective response to the epidemic would require billions, possibly hundreds of billions, not statements by the UN.

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:59 PM

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Geeze...


Eight bodies found after attack on Guinea Ebola education team

Quote:



"The eight bodies were found in the village latrine. Three of them had their throats slit," Damantang Albert Camara told Reuters by telephone in Conakry.

However, Guinea's Prime Minister Mohamed Saïd Fofana, speaking in a television message that had been recorded earlier, said 7 bodies of 9 missing people had been found.

He said six people have been arrested following the incident, which took place on Tuesday in Wome, a village close to the town of Nzerekore, in Guinea's southeast, where Ebola was first identified in March.

Since then the virus has killed some 2,630 people and infected at least 5,357 people, according to World Health Organization (WHO), mostly in Guinea, neighbouring Sierra Leone and Liberia. It has also spread to Senegal and Nigeria.

Authorities in the region are faced with widespread fears, misinformation and stigma among residents of the affected countries, complicating efforts to contain the highly contagious disease.

Fofana said the team that included local administrators, two medical officers, a preacher and three accompanying journalists, was attacked by a hostile stone-throwing crowd from the village when they tried to inform people about Ebola.

He said it was regrettable that the incident occurred as the international community was mobilising to help countries struggling to contain the disease.

(Reporting by Saliou Samb; Writing by Bate Felix; Editing by Robin Pomeroy and Ken Wills)

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:08 PM

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... it could conceivably continue in slums/impoverished megacities throughout the world until every vulnerable person was infected ...



IF it got into the megacities, I think every person would be vulnerable. I can think of no barrier between the people in the superslums and everyone else.





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Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:13 PM

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But Ebola isn't airborne, so why should it spread so easily ?

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Monday, September 22, 2014 4:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
But Ebola isn't airborne, so why should it spread so easily ?



From the World Health Organisation

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Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.

Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola.

People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

Symptoms of Ebola virus disease

The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days. Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, symptoms of impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding (e.g. oozing from the gums, blood in the stools). Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes.




Unless you consider WHO apart of some socialist world conspiracy and an unreliable source?


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Monday, September 22, 2014 10:41 AM

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Well , I do, but that's another issue.

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Monday, September 22, 2014 12:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks Magons, but rappy is a troll and I wasn't going to respond.

And I don't think rappy quite understands how deeply our economy depends on the underclass - for our fast food, Tyson chickens, gas station help, Walmart greeters, child and nursing care, vegetables and tidy lawns - among other things. 'Those' people aren't 'there' somewhere, they're here, with 'us'. But he doesn't see 'them' or how much contact the 'rest of us' have with 'them'. If he did, he wouldn't be so confused as to how Ebola could spread from 'them' to 'us'.




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Monday, September 22, 2014 3:59 PM

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yes, 1kiki. The underclass, like children, should be seen, but not heard.


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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:09 PM

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EBOLA !! IT'S HERE !!!!

Texas patient confirmed as first Ebola case diagnosed in US




DALLAS – A Texas man just back from West Africa has been confirmed as having the first case of Ebola to be diagnosed in the U.S.

Authorities with the Centers for Disease Control revealed the finding Tuesday, a day after the unidentified patient arrived at a Dallas hospital with suspicious symptoms.

Officials at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas put the man into “strict isolation” and sent a specimen to the CDC in Atlanta for testing.

The CDC said preliminary results show the man has the deadly disease which has been linked to more than 3,000 recent deaths in Africa. According to the World Health Organization, there have been more than 6,500 cases confirmed in Africa, with Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone among the hardest hit.

Dr. Christopher Perkins with the Dallas County health department told reporters that the Texas man didn’t start showing symptoms until he arrived home.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-patient-confirmed-as-first-ebola-case-diag
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Thursday, October 2, 2014 11:37 PM

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So, it would seem the news industry is really amping up the fear mongering of Ebola.

Local big time radio station here in town devoted a full hour this afternoon to discuss the ' epidemic ' of 1 in Texas.

Casual references to our govt and the CDC and P not telling the public " the WHOLE story ", and that it's inevitable for more cases to crop up here in the states, and soon.

In fact, there may already have been " undocumented " cases, but we're not being told about it yet.


Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Not yet, at least.

There IS the matter of how the doctors in Africa, those TRAINED and who took precautions to avoid this very thing in the first place got infected. There's been speculation, but I've not heard anyone come out and declare for certain we know how they got sick in the first place.

Sit and wait. That's what I'm gonna do. If patient zero hasn't infected anyone else, then I guess the hype was a bit premature.

If , however, anyone else in the patients sphere of contact DOES get sick... eghads.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, October 3, 2014 12:41 AM

1KIKI

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So Magons, the Sierra Leone shutdown ran from roughly September 21 through 23. According to news articles it wasn't supposed to be necessarily a move to stop transmission by itself, but a public awareness and supply event.

If this graph is any good, we should be able to see over time if the course of the trajectory changes from those dates.






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Friday, October 3, 2014 6:02 AM

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Its odd that so many uv theze scary dezeezez orijinate in and are mainly limited to Africa. Like the continent iz having an imune respons to humanz!

Its like an old Harry Harrison story, Death World.

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Friday, October 3, 2014 9:13 AM

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Washington (AFP) - A 33-year-old American working in Liberia as a freelance cameraman for NBC News has been infected with Ebola and will be flown back to the United States, the network said.

"The freelancer came down with symptoms on Wednesday, feeling tired and achy. As part of a routine temperature check, he discovered he was running a slight fever," said NBC's website.

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Friday, October 3, 2014 11:18 AM

SIGNYM

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It seems to me that the WORST parasites and diseases come from regions that have been heavily populated by humans for a very ling time- Africa and China - because the microbiota has had time to co-evolve with human hosts.

But that's just me.

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Friday, October 3, 2014 7:20 PM

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My understanding is that most highly contagious diseases cross over from animals and living in close proximaty with animals, or having animals live in close proximaty with one another. When the disease cross species, it appears to be highly contageous and particularly deadly. However, as it evolves it tends to become less deadly, probably better for its spread and survival to not continually keep killing its host. Also surviving hosts are often able to pass it on without succumbing to it, so you have more resilient hosts.

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Friday, October 3, 2014 7:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that the WORST parasites and diseases come from regions that have been heavily populated by humans for a very ling time- Africa and China - because the microbiota has had time to co-evolve with human hosts.

But that's just me.



There appears to be something to do with the amount of animals that can be/were domesticated in these regions.

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Friday, October 3, 2014 10:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


On a different line of thought, I have two opposing scenarios about the potential for Ebola to spread in the US. One is that the US isn't a brutally impoverished nation with no health or public health infrastructure, and with a vastly ignorant superstitious population following rituals that spread disease - and besides Ebola isn't that contagious. The opposing one is that it doesn't take one case of Ebola to start an epidemic - it takes one UNDETECTED one, and the US has a chunk of its population every bit as impoverished, ignorant, and out of reach of the authorities as a citizen in Liberia, and so separated from the medical system it might as well not exist.

I would hate to see these two scenarios tested against each other in real life.






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Saturday, October 4, 2014 4:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that the WORST parasites and diseases come from regions that have been heavily populated by humans for a very ling time- Africa and China - because the microbiota has had time to co-evolve with human hosts.

But that's just me.



There appears to be something to do with the amount of animals that can be/were domesticated in these regions.



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Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

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Just as an aside, while TPTB are busy telling us how unheard-of/ unlikely it is that Ebola would mutate to an airborne form, how viruses "just don't change their mode of transmission", the fact is that one of the Ebola variants has ALREADY mutated into an airborne form, as evidenced by The Hot Zone's recounting of the Reston airborne infection of an entire monkey-house.

Yes, it was a monkey virus. But it was an Ebola variant, now called Ebola Reston. And where Ebola could mutate once, it can surely mutate again in the same fashion.

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Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:53 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I don't think anyone knows about the natural history of Ebola Reston, for example, it's normal modes of transmission. But if it does have a significant airborne infectivity, and has had it for some time, that would go along with its very low pathogenicity. As far as anyone can tell, people who test seropositive are at no increased risk of anything.




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Monday, October 6, 2014 8:40 PM

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-06/spanish-ebola-infected-nurse-
first-case-contagion-out-africa-salzburg-activates-ebol


Spanish Ebola-Infected Nurse Is First Case Of Contagion Out Of Africa; Salzburg Activates Ebola Emergency Response

... a Spanish nurse who treated an Ebola victim in Madrid has contracted the virus herself in the first case of contagion outside Africa ... the nurse contracted the virus in Madrid while she was part of the team that treated Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo ... Once again questions emerge just how the virus is transmitted, because if the nurse, who obviously took every possible precation against the world's most dangerous virus that is supposedly non-airborne, contracted it, then it clearly leads to speculation that Ebola may be transmitted by means other than
what the population is being told.


http://feeds.feedburner.com/zerohedge/feed?format=xml

The New York Times reported in 2000:

The Ebola virus, which has caused deaths from high fever and bleeding in African outbreaks, can also infect without producing illness, according to a new finding by African and European scientists.
The possibility of asymptomatic infection was only suggested in earlier studies, they said in last week’s issue of The Lancet, a medical journal published in London. Now they said they had documented such infections for the first time. They found that the Ebola virus could persist in the blood of asymptomatic infected individuals for two weeks after they were first exposed to an infected individual. How much longer the virus can persist is unknown.




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Tuesday, October 7, 2014 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just as an aside, while TPTB are busy telling us how unheard-of/ unlikely it is that Ebola would mutate to an airborne form, how viruses "just don't change their mode of transmission", the fact is that one of the Ebola variants has ALREADY mutated into an airborne form, as evidenced by The Hot Zone's recounting of the Reston airborne infection of an entire monkey-house.

Yes, it was a monkey virus. But it was an Ebola variant, now called Ebola Reston. And where Ebola could mutate once, it can surely mutate again in the same fashion.

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They never proved that the Ebola in the monkey house became airborne, they assumed it an killed all the monkeys. Later they found that all the monkeys originated from the same farm.

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Tuesday, October 7, 2014 2:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Some of the keepers at Reston tested positive for Ebola Reston. When the Ebola was tracked back to the Philippines some keepers tested positive there as well. How any of them might have contracted Ebola isn't known. And, it's an experiment one wouldn't run, but I've wondered if Reston might be a natural vaccine for other types of Ebola.

There was also some thought that b/c Reston used high pressure hoses to clean the cages the virus might have been spread through water aerosols.




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Friday, October 10, 2014 10:11 PM

1KIKI

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So Sierra Leone experimented with its 3-day shut-down starting Sep 23. It would take about 10 days to see if it accomplished anything substantial. I don't see any obvious change in trajectory in this graph:








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Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:24 AM

1KIKI

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As i posted, it looks like the Sierra Leone 3-day shutdown didn't work.

Anyone have any facts to add to the news about international Ebola?




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Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:17 AM

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One confirmed case in Spain, a nurse who treated one of the infected Spanish priests. The people in Brazil and Paris who were suspected of Ebola tested negative. There is another oddball case of a British man who traveled to Macedonia and died of fever and internal bleeding.... also drinking huge quantities of alcohol.

Anyway, the best place for official statistics is here:
http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/disease/ebola/en/

The WHO website is impossible to navigate, and I stumbled onto this webpage by accident. Good thing I bookmarked it because I could never find it again independently!

Interesting chart, where did you find it?

The part I thought was unusual, aside from the fact that the 3-day quarantine was a bust, is that the death rate in Sierra Leone seems an awful lot lower than the other two, only about 25-30%, as opposed to about 70% in the other two. Maybe it's a flaw in how the statistics are gathered, but one of the things I wonder is whether we are now seeing two or three variations of the same strain.



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Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:54 AM

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Interesting chart, where did you find it?




hey thanks for the information. The chart came from WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_epidemic_in_West_Africa

There are many reasons to die from uncontrollable hemorrhaging. Ebola isn't the only filovirus to cause hemorrhagic fever, there's the closely related Marburg virus. And filovirusus aren't the only viruses to cause hemorrhagic fever. From the CDC; 'VHFs are caused by viruses of four distinct families: arenaviruses, filoviruses, bunyaviruses, and flaviviruses.' Bunyaviruses include Hanta virus. While US strains don't cause fatal hemorrhaging, globally many strains do, including a Crimean strain. And then, hemorrhagic viruses aren't the only cause of hemorrhaging. There's things that go wrong internally, like leukemia and DIC for example.

There are some good tests to check out genetic changes to look for different strains. I would HOPE that the UN, the CDC, the Pasteur Institute and other organizations would be diligently tracking this. But, maybe not. After all, it's only Africa. I haven't looked at this closely enough for online sources to let me know if strains are being actively tracked.






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Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:05 PM

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Well, I know the strain was typed at the beginning of the outbreak, and researchers have said that there is an awful lot of variation during replication, but nothing recently about whether one geographic area has evolved into something really different from elsewhere.

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Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What makes me think it's not being actively tracked is that there are a lot of generic statements by experts in the field regarding the potential for new strains - sloppiness of replication, the number of generations, the potential for for important drift - but no specific examples. Nothing like saying 'for example the Pasteur Institute has seen ...'




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Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:16 AM

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More from ' The system worked ' file.

Following CDC instructions, worker STILL contracts Ebola!


Dallas Hospital Worker Diagnosed With Ebola, First to Catch Deadly Virus in U.S.


An employee at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for the Ebola patient hospitalized there has been diagnosed with the virus, raising concerns that the disease could spread.

The patient, who was not identified, tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test at the state public health laboratory in Austin, Texas, and a second analysis will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, the Texas Department of State Health Services said on its website today...


The infected worker was wearing protective gear and was following the full protocol for treating infected people, hospital officials said at a news conference in Dallas today. The patient has asked to remain anonymous, they said.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dallas-hospital-worker-diagnosed-ebola-1
11124124.html





I hope this is the only one, but he came in contract w/ so many others...

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Sunday, October 12, 2014 1:53 PM

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WHY WE ARE NOT READY FOR EBOLA, courtesy of Zerohedge

Because nothing says safety like hazmat suit sleeves rolled up


Power-washing infective puke from outside of the Ivy Apartments, where Thomas Duncan spewed just before he was taken to hospital




"Wearing suits" isn't enough. You need to be trained how to put them on and, especially, how to take them off without touching a contaminated surface.

The protocol for putting on a taking off full protective gear is so complicated that mistake are bound to occur. IMHO, the simpler, the better. The reason WHY they have not stayed with "simple" equipment is because it -apparently- isn't enough.

Because if the only thing you needed to prevent infection was not to touch "bodily fluids" then glove would be enough. And if the only thing you needed to prevent infection was not to touch "bodily fluids" or infected surfaces, or to breathe aerosols ejected by the patient, it seems that gloves and a mask would be enough.

But if aerosols are floating around in the room, you don't want them settling on your clothes, hence the hazamat suit. So apparently Ebola can be spread pretty effectively by fomites .... contaminated surfaces.

I wonder if anyone has ever thought to create a laminar-flow surround for isolation beds?

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