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Just another isolated incident ...

Another and isolated. Now those are two words that contradict each other.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And that sums up your ability to carry on a conversation .

Kiki want a cracker ?

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Don't forget a 22 year old unarmed black man gunned down in an Ohio Walmart. He was carrying a BB gun that he'd picked up in the store when he was killed. Actually, he'd already put the BB gun down when he was murdered by police.

This happened inside a Walmart, America's largest gun retailer, in Ohio, an open-carry state. Had he been carrying an actual loaded AR-15, he'd still have been committing no crime - except for being black, it seems.

Just another "isolated" incident, though. Just because a thing happens five or seven thousand times a year doesn't make it a trend. I mean, it's not like there were scary brown people beheading them or anything.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Nothing "new" about it, it's always been this way, tis just by way of turning their intended surveillence society back around on them, it can no longer be swept under the rug as a "few bad apples" or "isolated incidents" no matter how hard jackboot lickers try.

I also wouldn't put too much faith in prosecution given the factual data in hand regarding how prosecutors softball the charges, often with some really bizarre legal contortions, since police-prosecutor collusion is part and parcel of the systematic corruption which allows this malaise to fester.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/
Have a look for yourself if you don't believe me.

As for the situation in question, the poor bastard never stood a chance, if he DOESN'T instantly obey, he gets shot or tased, and if he does, he gets shot or tased, how does he have an "out", I ask you ?

And of course, if the meteoric rise of reporting police abuse and catching them in the act (because, again, it's ALWAYS been this bad, it's what they are.) another problem now coming into the public eye is just how long and how often police see the occasional rape as a "perk of the work", and don't you just love what the suggested "defense" is...

Cop's Tip For Not Getting Raped By A Cop: 'Don't Get Pulled Over'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/oklahoma-police-rape_n_587075
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This following on the heels of that ridiculous obey-or-else editorial, there's a certain undercurrent here of backhanded admission that the police are bad actors with malicious intent, and while our corrupt and degraded justice system would never in a million years admit it, there is some legal grounds for shooting first as a direct result of these discoveries and admissions.

Remember, the Supreme Court itself has stated that due to police conduct, immediate flight from their presence does not constitute probable cause because people might have good reason to fear and flee the police.

So, disturbing precedents are being set, most recent of which is a guy who fired on a no-knock raid because they failed to effectively identify themselves before going all hoo-rah.

Actions have consequences.
For maximum irony, would be a case where a black man shoots an off duty cop who belligerently threatened him and cites stand-your-ground.

-Frem

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rightly charged and rightly will face the music for this one.

However... , the suspect DID suddenly turn around and reach into his car, hands completely out of view. The cop had no idea what the suspect was reaching for, and the quick jittery way in which he did it, could be viewed as suspicious.

The cop barking orders caused the suspect to get nervous, and then he acted out in a nervous manner.


Far from any 'trend' as you suggest, though.

Just another isolated incident, as seen through the lens of a bit of hysteria.


( was that the inappropriate comment you were looking for ? )

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rightly charged and rightly will face the music for this one.

However... , the suspect DID suddenly turn around and reach into his car, hands completely out of view. The cop had no idea what the suspect was reaching for, and the quick jittery way in which he did it, could be viewed as suspicious.

The cop barking orders caused the suspect to get nervous, and then he acted out in a nervous manner.


Far from any 'trend' as you suggest, though.

Just another isolated incident, as seen through the lens of a bit of hysteria.


( was that the inappropriate comment you were looking for ? )

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Random , unrelated incidents which have nothing to do with each other happen all the time.

Pretty self explanatory.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Random , unrelated incidents which have nothing to do with each other happen all the time.

Pretty self explanatory.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, Muslims flat out tell us what they're going to do. There is a common , clearly defined tie in with their actions, in contrast to the rare, unrelated incidents of shootings by cops. Most cops aren't looking to draw their weapon, while the actions of radical Muslims are overt & intentional. No radical Muslim regrets murdering an infidel. Every cop wishes he could avoid having to shoot.

Colossal difference there.

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Let me say it straight out: I haven't heard of a single case whereby a man, of a certain persuasion, has been shot while toting his Open Carry Assault AR-15.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And that sums up your ability to carry on a conversation .

Kiki want a cracker ?

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AURaptor just can't help being AURaptor.

Time for the video:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
La-la land ? Because I simply state the facts ?

Me thinks yo doth project too much, SGG.


And CWP ( conceal weapons permit ) is issued to those who have applied and who have passed a more intense background check, as I understand it. Why would any white, black, yellow, brown, red, man, or woman, be shot simply because they have a CWP and are carrying ?

Talk about trips to la-la land!

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Let me say it straight out: I haven't heard of a single case whereby a man, of a certain persuasion, has been shot while toting his Open Carry Assault AR-15.

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Merely carrying this doesn't pose an imminent threat. Oh, and it's legal.

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Sharrett attributes the cause of her death to acute ventricular dysrhythmia due to hypertensive and arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Described otherwise, Williams had an irregular heartbeat causing a cardiac arrest as a consequence of heart disease. The report makes no note of drugs or alcohol in Williams’ system.

The manner of Williams’ death is officially listed as homicide because of the chaotic circumstances inside the Beavercreek Walmart, according William Harden, the Greene County Coroner’s Office chief investigator.

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The officers already have a good deal of high tech equipment in an attempt to cut down on the rampant rates of officer abuse. But a critical flaw in that scheme has come to light in the past few months -- police officers appear to be sabotaging and vandalizing that taxpayer funded equipment in what appears to be a concerted effort to avoid accountability monitoring.

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What does this mean?

An examination of the numbers indicates that, while law enforcement officers generally enjoy favorable treatment when facing criminal charges in the US generally, the problem appears significantly pronounced in Washington State. When we examine the data in combination with the history of criminal cases involving police officers in Washington it begins to appear as though the reason why police officers are so infrequently prosecuted is a combination of laws that prevent officers from being held accountable, juries who consistently refuse to convict police officers accused of criminal acts even when there is compelling testimony and evidence in favor of conviction, and prosecutors who appear risk averse when it comes to the prospects of prosecuting police officers for any reason.

It also becomes clear that, while it is generally difficult to prosecute law enforcement officers in the US in general, the ability to do so in Washington State is greatly hampered by a perfect storm of all these factors combined together in a way that forms a feedback loop of sorts which discourages prosecutors from prosecuting police officers with the same vigor as other members of the general population.

Because of this complex dynamic at play, bringing the prosecution and conviction rates back towards the norm in Washington would require more than just changing the law, it would also require a sea change of public perception, better training for prosecutors who need to use tactics than usual when prosecuting officer-involved cases against lawyers who specialize in defending police officers along with efforts to provide incentives to prosecutors who decide whether prosecuting a cop is worth the political risk of angering police unions that represent the officers they depend upon to do their jobs.

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Los Angeles police officers removed antennas from police cars in several predominantly Black neighborhoods to disable the recording equipment and avoid being monitored while on duty, according to an inspection by LAPD investigators.
The department review found about half of the 80 cars in the Southeast division—which includes Watts and the Jordan Downs and Nickerson Gardens housing projects—were missing the antennas that help capture what officers say in the field. The review discovered at least 10 more cars in nearby divisions also had antennas removed.
Members of the Police Commission, which oversees the department, said they were alarmed by both the actions of the officers and the failure of the department to reveal their actions when they were first detected.

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Remember, the Supreme Court itself has stated that due to police conduct, immediate flight from their presence does not constitute probable cause because people might have good reason to fear and flee the police.

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Although there were two separate protests about the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown happening around the time the officer was shot Saturday night, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said he didn't think they were related in any way to the attack on the officer.

The men fled when the officer approached them at around 9 p.m. because the community center they were standing outside of was closed, Belmar said at a news conference early Sunday. When the officer gave chase, one of the men turned and shot him in the arm, he said.

Belmar said the officer is expected to survive, but he didn't identify the officer or give further details about his condition. He said the officer returned fire, but that police have no indication that either suspect was shot.

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Also early Sunday, not far from Ferguson, an off-duty St. Louis city police officer was injured on Interstate 70 when three suspects fired shots into his personal vehicle, a police spokeswoman said.

Schron Jackson said the officer, who has nearly 20 years of experience, was being treated at a hospital for a minor injury to his arm from broken glass. She said there is no reason to believe the two shootings were related.

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


You don't know the difference between open-carry and concealed-carry, do you?

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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How is that suppose to be " sobering " ?? How do you even arrive at that number ? And what difference does it make? You're comparing apples to orange, for nothing but shock value.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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La-la land ? Because I simply state the facts ?

Me thinks yo doth project too much, SGG.


And CWP ( conceal weapons permit ) is issued to those who have applied and who have passed a more intense background check, as I understand it. Why would any white, black, yellow, brown, red, man, or woman, be shot simply because they have a CWP and are carrying ?

Talk about trips to la-la land!

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Let me say it straight out: I haven't heard of a single case whereby a man, of a certain persuasion, has been shot while toting his Open Carry Assault AR-15.

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Merely carrying this doesn't pose an imminent threat. Oh, and it's legal.

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Folks, Auraptor has gone to La-La Land


SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, Muslims flat out tell us what they're going to do. There is a common , clearly defined tie in with their actions, in contrast to the rare, unrelated incidents of shootings by cops. Most cops aren't looking to draw their weapon, while the actions of radical Muslims are overt & intentional. No radical Muslim regrets murdering an infidel. Every cop wishes he could avoid having to shoot.

Colossal difference there.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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And far, far more have been killed by black men who were not killed by police in time. Probably many of them unarmed black men, as well.

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Folks, Auraptor has gone to La-La Land

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, Muslims flat out tell us what they're going to do. There is a common , clearly defined tie in with their actions, in contrast to the rare, unrelated incidents of shootings by cops. Most cops aren't looking to draw their weapon, while the actions of radical Muslims are overt & intentional. No radical Muslim regrets murdering an infidel. Every cop wishes he could avoid having to shoot.

Colossal difference there.

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Gone to? He's been the president there for years.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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And far, far more have been killed by black men who were not killed by police in time. Probably many of them unarmed black men, as well.

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October 1, 2014

After police arrived on the scene of her Tallahassee, Florida, neighborhood, 62-year-old Viola Young asked them why they were there. Told to turn around, Young did so and walked away.

While walking away, at just about 2:31 in this video shot by a local resident, the officer brutally uses his stun gun to tase Young in the back. Immediately, she falls flat on her face. It's brutal.

No charges have been brought and the officer is currently on paid leave.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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And far, far more have been killed by black men who were not killed by police in time. Probably many of them unarmed black men, as well.

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Speaking of which, what are the statistics on people killed by unarmed black men? And maybe unarmed black teens? However many, each of them should have been shot.

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A sobering fact: Far more Americans have been killed by police since 9/11 than by terrorists.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Thank you very much Captain Obvious, you just proved my point. "Open Carry" I said nothing about "concealed" weapon..........that would mean that someone had a hidden weapon on their person.

Let me type this slowly so you understand.......Open Carry is not concealed weapon.

Ok, now let's see. What's in the pictures? People are OPENLY carrying weapons of mass destruction and no one is lying down bleeding with Policemen standing over their corpses.

All the people in your pictures are standing upright without any holes in them (other than the type God intended). That's normal!

Do you consider what they are doing as threatening? No, right. So then why, in their infinite wisdom, did they shoot on site a man OPENLY carrying a weapon?


SGG

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote ElvisChrist: "For white America, just the act of being black in public is seen as threatening behavior."

Yes.
Last few years, I've read 2 or 3 times that "young black male" is, by far, the
most dangerous demographic to be. Even with many of them off the streets
in prison according to stats, YBMs know that their chances of being killed on
purpose by another human being before the age of 30 are pretty darn high.

Should they move to the Bahamas, Barbados, Haiti or Jamaica til they look older?


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote ElvisChrist: "For white America, just the act of being black in public is seen as threatening behavior."

Yes.
Last few years, I've read 2 or 3 times that "young black male" is, by far, the
most dangerous demographic to be.

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Two Washington Metro Police officers - both black - were responding to a household burglary alarm in a posh District of Columbia neighbourhood and encountered a 64-year-old black man carrying two bags. When they questioned him, they say he became "loud and boisterous". They ordered him to the ground.

At that point, a local resident - a middle-aged white woman named Jody Westby - came out from her house and confronted the police.

She instructed her housekeeper to record the events. She said she knew the man - a local worker - and that the police had no right to detain him. She told the officers that she was a lawyer and, upon learning the address of the burglary report, that they weren't even on the right street.

She grabbed the detained man's hand and said she was leaving, telling the police to "please leave our neighbourhood".

The officer reluctantly let Ms Westby and the man go.

As she walked away, Ms Westby said: "Just because he's black doesn't mean he's here to rob a house. He works for us. He's been in this neighbourhood for 30 years."

Yates writes that the situation likely would have been much different if the incident had occurred in a less affluent neighbourhood or Ms Westby hadn't been white.

"The level of comfort with which she communicates with the officers due to her knowledge of the law and lack of fear of retribution offers a lesson about how the intersection of race, class and privilege can impact the interactions between police officers and some residents," he says.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Now here's an interesting take on the problem.

White woman defends black man from US police
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-29544145

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Two Washington Metro Police officers - both black - were responding to a household burglary alarm in a posh District of Columbia neighbourhood and encountered a 64-year-old black man carrying two bags. When they questioned him, they say he became "loud and boisterous". They ordered him to the ground.

At that point, a local resident - a middle-aged white woman named Jody Westby - came out from her house and confronted the police.

She instructed her housekeeper to record the events. She said she knew the man - a local worker - and that the police had no right to detain him. She told the officers that she was a lawyer and, upon learning the address of the burglary report, that they weren't even on the right street.

She grabbed the detained man's hand and said she was leaving, telling the police to "please leave our neighbourhood".

The officer reluctantly let Ms Westby and the man go.

As she walked away, Ms Westby said: "Just because he's black doesn't mean he's here to rob a house. He works for us. He's been in this neighbourhood for 30 years."

Yates writes that the situation likely would have been much different if the incident had occurred in a less affluent neighbourhood or Ms Westby hadn't been white.

"The level of comfort with which she communicates with the officers due to her knowledge of the law and lack of fear of retribution offers a lesson about how the intersection of race, class and privilege can impact the interactions between police officers and some residents," he says.

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It does raise a bit of a point, this - muchlike how I pointed out that in cases of sexual abuse or assault, one of the problems is how none of the guys step up and speak out... I wonder if perhaps there isn't a corrolation with us palefaces not stepping up when the cops are shaking down some person of color - sure you can pull out a camera, but as courts and prosecutors have been shown willing to ignore even incontrivertable evidence, how much good does that do, long after the fact, after lives have been lost or destroyed, and all it amounts to is a slap on the wrist if even that ?

So why not USE "white privledge" in a positive way ?
And yes I am well aware one risks obstruction charges or a flat out ass kicking, I've been told as much myself previously by a cop who threatened to "kick your cracker ass too!" when I stepped in on behalf of one of our residents he was giving crap for a damn curfew violation.

Mind you, this is private fucking property, and it's my JOB to enforce our property rights, so their stupid curfew does not apply HERE - said cop spotted the youth from across the street, as he was taking trash to the dumpster and then came onto our property and started hassling him, at which point I came round the dumpster and called him on this, and after said threat pointed out that he was about to engage in the unwarranted assault of a uniformed security officer in performance of his duties within the view of two nightvision security cameras.
Which caused him to immediately shut up and LEAVE.
So I walked the resident back to his unit without further incident, poor kid was scared about witless, especially as being a new resident he'd assumed I was coming to back the cop up...

Sometimes being willing/prepared to do a thing means not having to do that thing, certainly it's not the first time a badge threatened to rough me up, and as I've said before "Oh you probably could kick my ass, point is that you'll HAVE to.."
I wonder that if more white people were willing to risk a beating to stop one, if that might not have some deterrent effect on the situation.

-Frem

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