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Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You and Auraptor doing a Tag Team routine on me..........that quote that you guys attribute to me below is not mine. Check your posts and you'll see that it's one of yours, tacked onto the end of my original quote.

Nice try!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
TPTB are inexplicably waiting until after dark to make the announcement on the GJ.

Either way, how is that a good idea ?

Let the shops do one last days business, so they can then close up and kiss their property goodbye, I suppose.

Also, anyone hear about this ?

Two New Black Panther Party Members Arrested in Ferguson Bomb Plot

Against this backdrop of heightened tensions, according to a law enforcement source, two men described as reputed members of a militant group called the New Black Panther Party, were arrested in the St. Louis area in an FBI sting operation.

As initially reported by CBS News, the men were suspected of acquiring explosives for pipe bombs that they planned to set off during protests in Ferguson , according to the official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the case.

The official said the two men are the same pair named in a newly unsealed federal indictment returned on Nov. 19 charging Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis with purchasing two pistols from a firearms dealer under false pretenses.

Both men were arraigned on Friday in federal court, the law enforcement source said.

The FBI and other federal agencies were reported to have stepped up their presence in the St. Louis area in recent days in anticipation of renewed protests after the grand jury’s decision in the Brown case is made known.

An FBI official in St. Louis declined to comment except to say that the two men named in the indictment had been arrested. Officials from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for eastern Missouri were not immediately available for comment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/22/us-usa-missouri-shooting-exp
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Originally posted by AURaptor

I see a cop car was lit on fire.

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I suppose, like the Benghazi report, where the Left just said 'let it go', why aren't we seeing the same sort of attitude here?

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I don't see any TEA party types burning cars or calling for violence.

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Of course, two very separate matters, but still...

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You and Auraptor doing a Tag Team routine on me..........that quote that you guys attribute to me below is not mine. Check your posts and you'll see that it's one of yours, tacked onto the end of my original quote.

Nice try!


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I erroneously attributed Jong's comment as yours, SGG. My bad.

Still haven't gotten an answer though.

How is this 'unprecedented ', exactly ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
TPTB are inexplicably waiting until after dark to make the announcement on the GJ.

Either way, how is that a good idea ?

Let the shops do one last days business, so they can then close up and kiss their property goodbye, I suppose.

Also, anyone hear about this ?

Two New Black Panther Party Members Arrested in Ferguson Bomb Plot

Against this backdrop of heightened tensions, according to a law enforcement source, two men described as reputed members of a militant group called the New Black Panther Party, were arrested in the St. Louis area in an FBI sting operation.

As initially reported by CBS News, the men were suspected of acquiring explosives for pipe bombs that they planned to set off during protests in Ferguson , according to the official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the case.

The official said the two men are the same pair named in a newly unsealed federal indictment returned on Nov. 19 charging Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis with purchasing two pistols from a firearms dealer under false pretenses.

Both men were arraigned on Friday in federal court, the law enforcement source said.

The FBI and other federal agencies were reported to have stepped up their presence in the St. Louis area in recent days in anticipation of renewed protests after the grand jury’s decision in the Brown case is made known.

An FBI official in St. Louis declined to comment except to say that the two men named in the indictment had been arrested. Officials from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for eastern Missouri were not immediately available for comment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/22/us-usa-missouri-shooting-exp
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I see a cop car was lit on fire.

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A few fires. A few stores looted and vandalized. Seems to be escalating though.

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I suppose, like the Benghazi report, where the Left just said 'let it go', why aren't we seeing the same sort of attitude here?

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It's hardly the same thing.

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I don't see any TEA party types burning cars or calling for violence.

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They all went to bed after watching 'Dancing With The Stars'.

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Of course, two very separate matters, but still...

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The central matter is that the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and eyewitness testimony and determined there was no cause to support an indictment for murder or even manslaughter. It's a tremendous victory for the rule of law, and the rights of police officers everywhere who face life and death situations every day. An important victory for the right of self defense, and hopefully a lesson to those who think they have a right to attack police officers.

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That was a strange decision to hold the press conference at night, why not hold off until the morning?

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We will never know, and it was never address in the DA's statement. He went from "he (Wilson) blocked the street" to "an altercation ensued." Maybe that will be included in the data dump.

Anyway, no surprise here.


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I'm still confused on whether there was a call of a robbery, and if so , how the cop in the vicinity didn't at least KNOW about it.

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Those calls go out on the radio, and cops are always tuned into what's going on, not just in their area, but all across town. Something seems amiss there.

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As for the stopping in middle of the street, Wilson must have seen something suspicious. Maybe we'll get more info,

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but all can agree, it's bad every way you slice it.

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Yes, a great lesson learned.

Do not foolishly charge a cop with a loaded gun after he tells you to stop jaywalking and after you just finished a strong-arm robbery. The end result; you'll end up full of holes.

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I didn't sit and watch the full DA presser, Jongs. I was going on what I had heard from months ago from when this whole saga took place.

The changing story , as I recall, goes like this...

A robbery took place, and then a call to the police was made.

There was no robbery. No call to the cops was made ( some here made that exact claim )

There was a robbery, a call, but Officer Wilson was (somehow ) unaware of either, and simply crossed paths with Brown by mere happenstance. Saw him jaywalking, or some such.

It seems that damn near everything we were told about this case, all the " details " that have been leaked out or reported as fact were completely wrong.

And yet, all these rioter / protesters and activists show up w/ such a myriad of 'facts' that they claim are so widely KNOWN , which contradicts that of the police, that they feel entirely justified in crying foul when the actual , official words is handed down. If I believed 1/2 the stuff they are clinging to as gospel truth, I'd be mad as hell too. And right there I think is the problem. DISinformation is being spread, on purpose, to incite unrest.

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How does that even happen ?

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And what I mean by 'bad', is the tragic that a 18 yr old kid, having made 1 ridiculous choice after another, ended up dead, instead of JUST being arrested.

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Good luck making that case after the facts have come out about Brown assaulting the cop.

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I never saw a plausible explanation for why Brown, standing outside the cruiser, would start punching the cop through the open window? I don't get that one + Wilson's face was barely bruised or marked in the photos, so his statement that he thought another blow might knock him out or even kill him (!) seems ludicrous.



Exactly, no plausible explanation. If Wilson felt that Brown was too big, he should have waited for back-up. Remember, the DA said that back-up arrived within 90 seconds. The bruises on his face was not consistent with what he described as a beat-down, it looked like someone slapped him and not the devastating blows he describe.

Still though what was said to, according to Wilson, set off the beast. He hasn't said anything that makes sense to me. Were any words exchanged? And why did Wilson park his police cruiser sideways? An innocent man does not hide and wait till the dust settles to tell his side of the story. Remember when O.J. hopped in the white bronco and led police on a low-speed chase? Guilty, guilty, guilty!!!


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TPTB are inexplicably waiting until after dark to make the announcement on the GJ.

Either way, how is that a good idea ?

Let the shops do one last days business, so they can then close up and kiss their property goodbye, I suppose.

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That was a strange decision to hold the press conference at night, why not hold off until the morning?

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Good luck making that case after the facts have come out about Brown assaulting the cop.

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I watched the DA's press conference. I heard all the details provided about the crime scene and forensic evidence, and all the details provided about the eyewitness testimony the Grand Jury heard. I saw Wilson's interview on ABC.

My conclusion is that just like the Zimmerman case, this killing, though judged justifiable self defense, was ridiculously stupid, and completely avoidable.

Like the idiot Zimmerman, Wilson should never have pursued Brown on foot. Stay in the fucking car and wait 45 seconds for your back up to arrive. Deadly force is the last resort. When Brown fled away from the car, there was no imminent threat and no situation of last resort. Brown would have been safely controlled without deadly force when more officers arrived to assist.


And ... Proper Police Procedure ??

.. pull up by yourself close to a suspect?
.. stay seated in the car while you confront the suspect by yourself?
.. chase after a suspect by yourself?

It reads like a Day 1 lesson at Police Academy ... of things a cop should NEVER do.

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I watched the DA's press conference. I heard all the details provided about the crime scene and forensic evidence, and all the details provided about the eyewitness testimony the Grand Jury heard. I saw Wilson's interview on ABC.

My conclusion is that just like the Zimmerman case, this killing, though judged justifiable self defense, was ridiculously stupid, and completely avoidable.

Like the idiot Zimmerman, Wilson should never have pursued Brown on foot. Stay in the fucking car and wait 45 seconds for your back up to arrive. Deadly force is the last resort. When Brown fled away from the car, there was no imminent threat and no situation of last resort. Brown would have been safely controlled without deadly force when more officers arrived to assist.


And ... Proper Police Procedure ??

.. pull up by yourself close to a suspect?
.. stay seated in the car while you confront the suspect by yourself?
.. chase after a suspect by yourself?

It reads like a Day 1 lesson at Police Academy ... of things a cop should NEVER do.

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Jongsstraw, that is a truly impressive amount of information to go thru. Since I've only been following this in a scattershot way, is there a link or two you could provide to lead me to that trove of info?

Also, just as an aside, my problem with the police isn't just this instance. KIKI's strange encounter was followed up by a fellow at work who just told me about HIS strange encounter with the police. Now, you have to realize that this fellow is whiter than white, as is his GF. He was driving her home after a nice restaurant meal when he was pulled over for an incomplete stop. Fellow is very non-confrontational with the officer, expresses his appreciation for having been notified of his mistake (which he's sure didn't happen) when officer asks for license and registration and begins a very intrusive line of questioning.... Where do you live? Why are you here? (in a city not 10 miles away from his home). Is this your date? [leans in to look at said date]. Is the date over? When will it be over?

WTF???
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Wilson's rehearsed interview was horrible and definitely coached. And why would a lone cop even try to confront 2 "suspects" he couldn't wait 30 seconds for his back up? His "bruises" were so minor that they looked more like a bad sunburn than serious contusions. A good attorney could blow his testimony right out of the water. Hell, just get a copy of the training Ferguson police get and his service record.

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SGG - You're looking for gunmen in the grassy knoll, when there simply aren't any. The hard, unpleasant truth of all this is that it happened. Folks try to seek out elaborate scenarios which explain the most simple , if not barbaric actions

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Wilson's rehearsed interview was horrible and definitely coached. And why would a lone cop even try to confront 2 "suspects" he couldn't wait 30 seconds for his back up? His "bruises" were so minor that they looked more like a bad sunburn than serious contusions. A good attorney could blow his testimony right out of the water. Hell, just get a copy of the training Ferguson police get and his service record.

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Brown punched a cop. In the face. Repeatedly. No, he didn't look like a broken,busted boxer who lost a heavy weight fight. But the truth is, Brown hit a cop. Sorry, that's simply not done. Period.

This isn't Baghdad or Fallujah. This was anywhere town in middle America, on a fine sunny after noon. No reason a cop can't expect to simply pull over 2 kids in the middle of the street and ask them some questions, or direct them OUT of the middle of the street. What Wilson didn't expect was for Brown to get all violent with no warning. And yes, even if Brown thought he was being 'dissed', there's no reason for him to physically assault a cop. None.


Whine all you want about Wilson's "scripted" testimony. His version of events had eye witness corroboration.

( unless you think that too was fabricated, and we really need their name and address to be printed in the NYT. )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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TPTB are inexplicably waiting until after dark to make the announcement on the GJ.

Either way, how is that a good idea ?

Let the shops do one last days business, so they can then close up and kiss their property goodbye, I suppose.

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That was a strange decision to hold the press conference at night, why not hold off until the morning?

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To allow the innocent victims of Ferguson to hide and cover in their homes instead of out in the riotous streets. The police stated they preferred it that way, to have better control.
Also, black criminals do not like the cold - it is a good way to disperse them. Another gem is country music - black criminals evacuate.

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Why'd Brown steal the cigars from the store and then shove the clerk ?

He was either on something, or simply being a bad ass, because he was 6'4" and weighed over 300 lbs. He certainly was in a mood. Maybe a girl had broken up w/ him. Or had chosen another guy over him. Hell, he might not have gotten the toy surprise from the box of cereal that morning.

Not hearing any word as to his state of mind before the store robbery and assault.

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His sincerity is admirable, but to waste that intelligence and emotion on the Press is pointless. They're ideologues with an agenda, and they always get the last word.

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Yes, you are correct. A citizen should not hit a cop. Period. A cop should not shoot a citizen who punched him in the face. Get over it, I don't believe Wilson's story that this kid would simply reach into the window and punch him in the face and try to take his gun. It doesn't make sense. You yourself said it, you don't punch a cop in the face, and, by extension, you don't take a cop's gun, especially in such close quarters. It doesn't make sense.

One thing is sure, Wilson made sure that Brown didn't live to tell the tale. Period.


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Yes, you are correct. A citizen should not hit a cop. Period. A cop should not shoot a citizen who punched him in the face. Get over it, I don't believe Wilson's story that this kid would simply reach into the window and punch him in the face and try to take his gun. It doesn't make sense. You yourself said it, you don't punch a cop in the face, and, by extension, you don't take a cop's gun, especially in such close quarters. It doesn't make sense.

One thing is sure, Wilson made sure that Brown didn't live to tell the tale. Period.


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Where do you get the notion that a robbery some how must involve a weapon ? That's completely false. Committing a act of taking which also involves violence is a felony, I believe. Gun, knife or not.

And you say it's hard to believe Brown did this. It makes no sense.

I agree.

But does that lead you to think that he DIDN'T do it, as described ? OR , does the fact that he DID do it, just as he stole from the store and shoved the clerk aside lead to the view that Brown was acting ridiculously, thuggish, and that state caught officer Wilson as off guard as it did the store clerk.

I agree, it DOESN'T make any sense for Brown to have acted that way, and for anyone who defends him , they're being blind to reality.

NORMAL social activity, in this country, doesn't dictate that a person is going to get violent at a drop of a hat, for no reason. Brown was either ON something, he wasn't all there, mentally and / or he was just feeling like a 6'4" 300 bad ass , and the world wasn't gonna tell him what to do.

Well, guess what. It did.

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Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

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Bwaaahhhh hahh hahhh hahhh.
Battling the CITIZENS of Ferguson? Then who are the imported, paid, Injustice-Department-trained rioters, instigators, activists, professional bombers going to battle against?

The victimized CITIZENS are boarding up, hiding in terror from the Obamabot TERRORIST which have invaded.

This forum is REAL WORLD Events Discussion. Your delusional Fiction can be posted in other forums.

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Brown may have been high. I don't know that, I haven't read the ME's testimony. But it wasn't from pot because pot makes you mellow, not hostile.

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Again, someone is shooting at you. Why would you charge that person? No sense.

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Well, no matter. McCulloch's plan worked to perfection...........he got the Grand Jury to vote NO TRUE BILL!!!

End of Story

Another black teen dead, another cop/man goes free

Justice in America


I will not sign off on this one


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Another lost black teen tries to use violence to solve his problem, and ends up paying for it.

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I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.
www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370766-interview-po-darren-wilson.htm
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"You're too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me."

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Occam's Razor here, straight up. The simplest version of the story is the most likely one. Brown was acting like a violent, stupid thug, and it got him killed.

End of story.

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Occam's Razor here, straight up. The simplest version of the story is the most likely one. Brown was acting like a violent, stupid thug, and it got him killed.

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Essentially we're arguing whether there were one or two violent, stupid thugs in Ferguson. I vote for two. Both the Officer and dead man were idiots.

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To get down to sticky particulars, River-style, if you have a license in Texas to carry a handgun, which I do, and you kill somebody, which I want to try at least once, you go free with a "I . . I . . I was afraid for my life." You got to say that with trepidation so the detective believes you. You can learn how in an acting class if it doesn't come naturally. Just be sure to make certain there are not too many witnesses to the actual shooting who will contradict your playacting.

I don't really know that it will work in Missouri, but I can demonstrate its efficacy in Texas for you if you come here.

Occam's Razor that, AURaptor.

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