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Moral dilemma regarding 21st century imperialism
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:31 AM
DREAMTROVE
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:58 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: I'm not sure who is copying whom here, or where it legally stands.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:50 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:56 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Here's the rant in question, mind you. http://www.baen.com/library/ -Frem
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:19 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:31 AM
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:01 AM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: The ability to copy cheaply the property and work of others has turned the consumer into a digital crack head - "FREE SH*T!
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:25 AM
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:40 AM
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Oh, I think you answered your own qiuesitonk piz with the theft. It's the 5.99. Now if it were 59 cents, no, no one would copy it. It wouldn't be worth it, it costs us more to copy than it costs them to make it, therein lies the profit, outSide of that, they are just trying to pad the price. As is apple.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:50 PM
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Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: So the assumption that consumers are greedy thieves barely held in check by regulation is pretty much just a variation on the same self serving lies that we need to be controlled for our own good, it's bunk, always has been - and hypocritical besides, cause as someone else beat me to the punch on pointing out, Apple rips off the open source community every chance they get.
Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:36 AM
Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: "the consumer is above all, first and foremost, unrelentingly selfish and price driven." Hello, Most people I know have a library of movies. Legitimate movies. All of these movies are available on the pirate market, but these people choose to purchase them for 10-30 dollars (depending on title and format and previously viewed status and sale of the week) in order to add them as articles to their personal libraries. Almost universally, the people who own these movies have already seen the movie in question. Almost universally, the movie in question will become available for free on HBO or Showtime, or some other channel. Almost universally, the movie in question could be purchased or even downloaded for free as a pirated copy, saving the person money. Most people I know have a library that contains purchased music. All of this music is available on the pirate market, often for free... But these people choose to purchase them anyway. Sometimes they buy CD's, other times they download MP3's at a buck a pop from an MP3 download service. What I continue to see over and over is that people choose to buy things that they can get for free, or at least for less money. Generally, if someone likes something, they seem to want to own it. And they tend to want to own it legitimately. I'm not sure why this is. But clearly, there's something more going on in the mind of the consumer than, "Get it as cheaply as I can." There is an additional element swirling around in the brainpan. Based on what I've seen, I don't think the additional element is 'fear of litigation.' This is because some of these same people who have libraries of legitimate paid-for stuff... They also have some quantity of illegitimate pirated stuff. Sometimes they will get the illegitimate version, try it, and then bafflingly purchase the item they already have. So, I posit that the consumer is a bit more complex than people want us to believe.
Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:50 AM
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: In the big picture my concern is about artist's rights, so by extension, code is the coder's creation and should be protected. I also thank God every day that Apple isn't more like Microsoft
Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Clearly they have a backlog of extra stuff that they could have released WITH the game.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: In the interest of keeping people from sharing, they also make their games so that they can't really run without the game disks, which, if you have a crappy Rom drive, can really tax your system.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: This one I can understand little more, to an extent, except if say a parent and their child want to play a game together, they have to buy two copies of the game. It's not a family friendly policy.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The second problem with this is that the download manager that comes with every game also collects information on your system specs and the other programs you have running on it, and sends it to proxy servers, and I'm sure EA Games sells that information out to people.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The trick is to sidestep the game launcher, and remove the EA download launcher from your list of start-up programs, and play with your wireless internet off (I'm assuming that's what you have because it's just about what everyone has now).
Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:07 AM
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Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Agreed. I do usually take the pirates side when they get caught and put on trial, but some of their arguments do annoy me.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Hmm, you pose a good idea about using the firewall to block the offending program from the internet, that actually didn't occur to me. I suppose it seemed more comprehensive at the time to just shut off the internet whenever I was playing, in case starting up the game also started up some background program doing all the information gathering.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The question is if programs might find away around firewalls using loopholes coded into the more common ones.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I've never tried a noCD crack, I know they're out there, but I don't know which sources are trustworthy. Plus, I guess I have this odd compulsion about not wanting to break any terms of service or void warranty, even though the side practices of the services provided almost warrant breaking the agreement.
Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:31 AM
Friday, June 25, 2010 12:19 PM
Quote:Ronald Shaich, Panera's chairman, admitted as he watched them line up that he had no idea if his experiment would work. The idea for Panera's first nonprofit restaurant was to open an eatery where people paid what they could. The richer could pay full price — or extra. The poorer could get a cheap or even free meal. A month later, the verdict is in: It turns out people are basically good. Panera, which operates 1,400 franchised and corporate-owned bakery-cafes across the country, plans to expand the nonprofit model around the nation, opening two more locations within months. "I guess I would say it's performing better than we even might have hoped in our cynical moments, and it's living up to our best sense of humanity," Shaich said in an interview.
Friday, June 25, 2010 5:14 PM
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