What do we need to ban as a species to ensure our continued longevity on Earth? by chrisisall

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Hero:

If you ban ignorance you'll become a Republican.

Yup, nothing says "smarts" like dealing with sea-level rise by outlawing any mention of sea-level rise!

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

If you ban ignorance you'll become a Republican.

There is no better way you could have identified yourself as a complete f**king idiot than with that. Ha ha, very erudite.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:31 PM

Exhibit A:

This is also the guy who says women can decide whether or not to get pregnant if they're raped.

He's on the House Science Committee.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

He's on the House Science Committee.

A ban on HIM might be a good albeit small start.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:00 PM

JONGSSTRAW

To survive as a species the following is a good start of what needs to be banned...

Cell phones
Maury Povich
TV poker shows
Cheese Whiz
Donald Trump
Everything bagels
Pirate News
Starbucks
Soccer
Jack Black movies
British royalty
Political campaign ads
Law and Order Spinoffs
Chris Christie
Alec Baldwin commercials

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Friday, January 18, 2013 2:12 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What would YOU like to see banned?

The notion of banning things.

*waits for implosion*

-F

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Friday, January 18, 2013 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I'm not having any kids Chris....

Those that know me personally think it's a travesty....

I'm sure more than a few regular posters who only know my rants are thrilled.

I hope their mongloid ape-like idiot children and their even more deranged grand-children change the world for the better.

That's, sadly, not even a joke....

Mongloid idiot-types are the happiest people I know. They're the ones that show off their Katy Perry CD to everyone like she was their GF. They're stupid and lovable and easy to manipulate. But nobody could manipulate them anymore when everyone left had an IQ of 20....

Keep breeding morons.....

It will happen in 5 generations or so....

It's called De-evolution....

Thanks to our desire to kill YOUR Darwinistic belief in Survival of the Fittest at every turn, only the dumbest procreate and we baby and nurture them so they can make more.....

Only in America, could this even be allowed to happen.....

No wonder why everyone else in the world hates us.

You're fat and ugly (generally speaking, not you Chris), your kids will be fat and ugly (and stupid because schools in America no longer teach any skills), and their kids will be full blown fat ugly and stupid....

2045.....

Come and take us China!

By that time US students will be so busy diddling themselves 5 times a day with their average 65 IQ's that your 2008 Olympic drum ceremony will be as mystic as gumpowder was to the Crusaders when Merlin blew their minds.

China had a 200 year plan....

Enjoy the Eclipse of American Power.....

We're done....

To any American in 20 years that was born with more than an 80 IQ and hasn't already had it blasted away by the media........

I'll see you on the Dark Side of the moon....

Lovingly,
~6

I'll meet you at New Vegas.....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 12:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Children.

For the next 20 years.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 12:57 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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There is no better way you could have identified yourself as a complete f**king idiot than with that.

I'm with Chris.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 2:28 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Children.

For the next 20 years.

The world would be such a crap place, no one would want to live.

I love the film Children of Men http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206634/ - it showed the lack of hope in the future that occurs when there are no children to carry on into the future. Mind you, people just stopped being able to reproduce, it was like the species was committing suicide.

I wonder at the idea of banning anything, but I suspect that our continued existence may depend upon us as a species doing the following things

-ending the influence of religion - not having beliefs based on superstition and fairytale guide the governance of us in any way.
-not having a growth based economy. Dunno how you do it, but it will be the end of us if we have to continue to have expansion in order to survive.
-not having so much packaging on our goods
-preserving as many wilderness areas as possible, and that means no mining, farming, daming, fracking or otherwise tinkering with
-ending the concept of nations, patriotism, jingoism. Am I really a better person because I lucked into being born in a safe, warfree, prosperous area of the world? Why should I be prouder of where I live than someone in Tanzanier, Costa Rica, Croatia?

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Friday, January 18, 2013 5:25 PM

I love you, MD!

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Friday, January 18, 2013 6:23 PM

Worth a read:

http://newschoolmag.com/2013/01/must-read-life-changing-story-i-talked
-to-god-the-other-day/

It borrows somewhat from Arthur C. Clarke and some others, but it lays out some interesting points.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
-not having so much packaging on our goods

It's the little things, innit ?
Man do I despise those idiotic clamshell packages you need a damn chainsaw to get open, and they make even LESS sense with an online purchase cause there's no threat of shoplifting to excuse it!
Amazon has made some in-roads on trying to reduce packaging, and I myself have thrown in my tiny little bit - I keep the boxes, you see, storing them in the room next to my washer in the interm to help soak up the noise that thing makes, until I need to ship something, and then re-use them after stripping the labels.

Sure, it's not much, but it's something, and something *I* can do, innit ?

-F

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Nearly anything I've ever been pissed off about, Larry David covered in Seinfeld or his own self-gratifying awesomeness....

Even my bro who loved Seinfeld can't watch this show. It takes a certain level of curmudgeon to survive 7 seasons of this show.....

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

If you ban ignorance you'll become a Republican.

Yup, nothing says "smarts" like dealing with sea-level rise by outlawing any mention of sea-level rise!

The cavemen who lived in Cosquer caves 27,000 years ago say "hi".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosquer_Cave

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Me, too, Magons. That was excellently put, and covered all of the things I, at least, would like to ban. But that's just me.

P.S. I loved Children of Men, too, but unlike most other films I both enjoyed and respected, I wouldn't choose to see it twice. I guess that speaks to your statement about "it showed the lack of hope in the future that occurs when there are no children to carry on into the future."

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The world would be such a crap place, no one would want to live. I love the film Children of Men http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206634/ - it showed the lack of hope in the future that occurs when there are no children to carry on into the future.

Hope.

So highly overrated. Everyone thinks it's a "good" thing, but having just been involved in a long discussion with hubby and others about "hope", I have come to the dark side on it. I think the comedian, Dick Gregory expressed my opinion best in a recent interview. He was protesting, and the interviewer asked him what gives you HOPE?.

He just looked at her as if she were a simpleton, somewhere between bemused and disgusted and said (49:30 min)

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I don't believe in HOPE....We got in outer space, it wasn't hope... If I had a brain tumor, I don't "hope" it's gonna get out, I'm gonna ask 'Who's the best brain surgeon here?' and I'll go to him

(This is a one hour news broadcast, so go to 49:30 for the full comment on "hope")

If I saw that people were actually taking EFFECTIVE measures for survival ... planning for this generation and the next one and the next one after that and putting their asses into it, hard as it will be ... THAT is a positive sign. But "hope" is not an effective measure; it's just wishful thinking, a way to devolve the responsibility for DOING SOMETHING about the clusterfuck that we are leaving for our children onto... I dunno... spirits. The universe. Chance. Anything else except the people who caused it in the first place.

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Mind you, people just stopped being able to reproduce, it was like the species was committing suicide.

It would be the best for the human species thing since the taming of clay and the development of writing. And if it were done voluntarily, it would be a sign that humans are actually an intelligent species.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:54 AM

*sends Signy a virtual hug*

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:39 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

If you ban ignorance you'll become a Republican.

Yup, nothing says "smarts" like dealing with sea-level rise by outlawing any mention of sea-level rise!

The cavemen who lived in Cosquer caves 27,000 years ago say "hi".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosquer_Cave

Yes, it seems the GOP-controlled state legislatures of Texas, Virginia, and North Carolina are no smarter than cavemen of 27,000 years ago. Ironically, it's likely that most of them don't believe such cavemen existed, since they think the world is only 6000 years old.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/11/2844468/banned-words-in-some-sta
tes-rising.html

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:32 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And another thread where the RWAs have not made a single valid point.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And another thread where the RWAs have not made a single valid point.

You expected them to ?
*perplexed*

-F

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 4:46 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And another thread where the RWAs have not made a single valid point.

You expected them to ?
*perplexed*

-F

It hasn't happened yet. Rappy is living proof of the RWA mindset.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, January 21, 2013 1:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I'd be okay with banning transfats.

Signe kids are so fun. I'm not having any, but people ... I refuse to boss all of humanity around like that. But you'll be glad to know that as soon as a potential rutting partner comes along I'm getting fixed, I don't want to take any chances. I think its good to educate people about making babies, give them more info about how disabilities pass down and get worse with successive generations etc. and even encourage people not to have babies in certain circumstances, but ultimately it has to be the person's decision.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 21, 2013 5:52 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hope.

So highly overrated. Everyone thinks it's a "good" thing, but having just been involved in a long discussion with hubby and others about "hope", I have come to the dark side on it. I think the comedian, Dick Gregory expressed my opinion best in a recent interview. He was protesting, and the interviewer asked him what gives you HOPE?.

He just looked at her as if she were a simpleton, somewhere between bemused and disgusted and said (49:30 min)
Quote:
I don't believe in HOPE....We got in outer space, it wasn't hope... If I had a brain tumor, I don't "hope" it's gonna get out, I'm gonna ask 'Who's the best brain surgeon here?' and I'll go to him
(This is a one hour news broadcast, so go to 49:30 for the full comment on "hope")

Kind of interesting. There is a quite a bit of research on the impact of hope, having a belief that you will get better, on serious disease survival. How well you recover can be linked with whether you feel you have some hope for recovery. WHen people lose hope with disease, as is sometimes entirely appropriate if you are in the latter stages, then that is usually when they die.

Don't get me wrong, there are times when what you are hoping for is just down right stupid, 'I intend to win a million dollars on the lottery' but maybe that's all that you have to make your life bearable. I don't know if we should judge it.

Without hope, we don't bother to change. Everything is shit, so why bother. It's hopelessness that gets humanity into trouble, being unable to envisage a future that isn't shitty and horrible. We might as well pour all oour shit into the sea, consume ourselves to death, because who cares about tomorrow.

So I disagree with you about hope. And I don't see that humanity is such a mess, not anymore than we ever have been.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 6:13 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Magon's is right in my opinion. There are a lot of reasons to not be hopeful, everything seems to be falling apart in some ways. But if we don't hope for something better then why should we strive for something better? Why should we try to make things better for ourselves? I certainly need it in my life. I guess Signe doesn't need it in hers, but she is a minority in that regard.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 21, 2013 11:54 PM

I don't really do "hope" so much...
But it is in my very nature not to wait for rescue, or hope someone comes through, my first thought when the notion of "someone should DO something!" comes up is "well, I'm somebody." - maybe not the RIGHT somebody, and maybe not as effective or competent as some would like, but being present, willing and downright insanely determined counts for a lot.

Philosophically, this comes pretty close.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAntiNihilist

I don't do kind things for theological brownie points, or cause belief requires it, or for gratitude, sense of obligation or any of that, none of it.... I do them cause *I* damn well please to do them.
It's really hard to explain, cause some of the concepts don't translate well, but the act itself, as a thing, sans motivation whatever.

-Frem

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

If you ban ignorance you'll become a Republican.

Yup, nothing says "smarts" like dealing with sea-level rise by outlawing any mention of sea-level rise!

The cavemen who lived in Cosquer caves 27,000 years ago say "hi".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosquer_Cave

Yes, it seems the GOP-controlled state legislatures of Texas, Virginia, and North Carolina are no smarter than cavemen of 27,000 years ago. Ironically, it's likely that most of them don't believe such cavemen existed, since they think the world is only 6000 years old.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/11/2844468/banned-words-in-some-sta
tes-rising.html

Non sequitor, straw man response.

You can't deny the fact that ocean levels rose dramatically 1000's of years before the industrial age, as you try to gloss over the facts presented w/ childish, inane comments about GOP controlled state legislatures, which have absolutely Z E R O to do w/ the non - issue of global climate change.

It happens. It's natural. We can't stop it, no matter what we do. TRYING to stop it,still, just to make ourselves feel better, is mindless and pointless. And worst of all, it's a colossal waste of our financial, material resources which could be far better spent on more productive and worth while things.

There's nothing we can do to change the planet's climate, so when ever I hear ANY politician yap on about solving 'climate change', I know they're lying.

Can we do something about pollution ? Hell yes we can. And we should. Be good stewards of the planet ? Absolutely. It's our duty to do so. But the phony upped CRISIS of climate change is nothing more than a front, by the extreme far Left, to sway public opinion to accept a collectivist mindset, in all parts of our lives.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:49 AM

As usual, Rappy misses the point entirely.

It must be painful to be that dumb. Or maybe it's blissful...

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
As usual, Rappy misses the point entirely.

It must be painful to be that dumb. Or maybe it's blissful...

You HAVE no point, which leads you to dole out your expected, juvenile retorts, that consist of nothing but brainless character assassinations & insults.

So, IS it painful? You tell us.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:51 PM