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The GOP's little rule change they hoped you would'nt notice.
Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:05 AM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:22 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:"hey guys, the Republicans changed a 200 year old rule the day before the shutdown to stop Democrats from funding the government." "The house also amended some parliamentarian rules on 30 September that would have allowed a democrat to bring the senate cr to the floor for a vote. It was desribed as "unprecedented" in the few newspapers that reported it. Anyone who says they don't own the shutdown hasn't been paying attention." "Whoah!!! How is this not front page news on all media outlets? This is crazy. How in the fuck does anyone justify this?" I concur.
Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:43 AM
Quote: How House Republicans guaranteed a shutdown: by changing the rules Here's proof positive that Republicans own this shutdown. How badly did House Republican leadership wanted to shut down the government? Here's how much. They used an unprecedented parliamentary procedure to block any chance that the clean continuing resolution sent to them by the Senate would reach the floor. They did so by changing standing House rules. Under normal procedure, here's how it would have worked the day it all fell down, September 30. The Senate sent over their clean CR. The House amended it with their anti-Obamacare stuff. The Senate rejected that change, and sent their resolution back. At that point, under normal procedure, any member would have been able to make a motion to bring the Senate bill to the floor. The rule that says they can do it is this: When the stage of disagreement has been reached on a bill or resolution with House or Senate amendments, a motion to dispose of any amendment shall be privileged. That means the chambers are deadlocked and any member trying to break the deadlock would be able to do so—would have privilege to do so. Except that in this case, for this continuing resolution only, Republicans changed the rule. They did it on the night of September 30, the eve of the shutdown, in a Rules Committee meeting. The rule change said that any motion to take up the Senate bill "may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee." Meaning only Eric Cantor or with his approval. Which wasn't going to happen. "I've never seen this rule used. I'm not even sure they were certain we would have found it," a House Democratic aide told TPM. "This was an overabundance of caution on their part. 'We've got to find every single crack in the dam that water can get through and plug it.'" Congressional historians agreed that it was highly unusual for the House to reserve such power solely for the leadership. "I've never heard of anything like that before," Norm Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said. There was no way in hell John Boehner and Eric Cantor were going to allow a clean funding bill to reach the floor the night before the shutdown. Because they knew that there were plenty of Republicans who would vote for it and it would pass. House Democrats knew this was happening from the beginning, but unlike the Senate, the minority party in the House has very little power to do anything about abuses like this. They've been doing what they can do, trying to pass a motion to recommit every mini-funding bill the leadership brings up, to replace them with the Senate's clean resolution. But the procedure is arcane and complex and it's easy for the so-called moderate Republicans to pretend like those efforts don't exist, and to not do what they say they want—reopen government with a clean spending bill. That makes those "moderate" Republicans as complicit in this as their leadership. The entire Republican Party owns this shutdown, completely. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=797_1381651634#jqXBmekLp73Mj16M.99
Monday, October 14, 2013 2:10 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Games law makers play. Both sides do it, and none of it is pretty. The Dems basically did the same thing, if not worse, to get O-Care passed. They make their own rules, so they technically can't break the rules, right ?
Monday, October 14, 2013 2:54 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Now we have video proof that the GOP did it, and did it deliberately, and all you have is "Meh, it happens." Cowardly little fuck.
Monday, October 14, 2013 3:08 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by oldenglanddry: I hope this video plays because if you haven't seen it, you realy need to.
Monday, October 14, 2013 3:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: but was does surprise me is how the mainstream media missed this underhanded abuse of the Democratic system.
Quote:Democracy was bent over and royally porked in the butt, and without any KY Jelly.
Monday, October 14, 2013 4:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Now we have video proof that the GOP did it, and did it deliberately, and all you have is "Meh, it happens." Cowardly little fuck. What a pathetic moron you are. It's Obama's Govt, and his shutdown. And since you like to hurl the profanities around, I'll play along. Fuck you and the gangbanged slut that spawned you.
Monday, October 14, 2013 4:33 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 4:48 PM
Monday, October 14, 2013 5:01 PM
MAL4PREZ
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: She's pretty much become the poster child, squatting right down there with Kwicko and Stormy.
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: But hey, enjoy wallowing in your ideology and petulant, impotent rage.
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: But hey, enjoy wallowing in your ideology and petulant, impotent rage. Obviously not so impotent. Sure gets your attention every time. And yes, it is most enjoyable watching you and your fellow fringe left loons tripping over each other trying to get a piece of me. It's also EMPOWERING!
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:34 PM
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:37 PM
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:48 PM
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:16 PM
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: You reek of frantic desperation.
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: but was does surprise me is how the mainstream media missed this underhanded abuse of the Democratic system. Certainly the leftist psychos at MSNBC, CBS, and NBC would have covered it, except they didn't. They didn't because the rule change was out in the open, covered on C-Span, and not a big deal. You can't have any one of 435 people in the House being able to call for a vote any time they want. Only the Speaker or someone designated by the Speaker should be able to do that. That insane situation was simply fixed. Quote:Democracy was bent over and royally porked in the butt, and without any KY Jelly. Something you're an expert on no doubt.
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:18 PM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: You can't have any one of 435 people in the House being able to call for a vote any time they want.
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