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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Been gnawing about this.

We disagree. Which is good. Because that makes you, you, and me, me. And if the world was me me me me me and me, it would be a very boring placem and we'd be a moron, all of the me's, because we'd all hear my ideas back to me and say, "that's brilliant, me."

So, suddenly all debates have fractured in my head. Now I see there are two types of disagreements, those that a difference of opinion, which is based on our experiences, and what we weigh as important. For example, I'd always weighed the problems FDR created as important, River saw him for all the problems he solved.

The other is debates about facts. These are important, but they are also the less virulent or hostile of arguments. This is where there is a question as to what happened in Benghazi, which is a matter that has now been settled to my satisfaction. There will be many others.

So, in the future, I will, not just here, but everywhere, make that my first step, is to identify if this is a debate about opinion or fact. I'll abandon the transgender thread, because that's clearly opinion, since the science is still out, it's impossible for either side to win that argument.

Trump is trickier. At the moment, I think views on Trump are based on opinion. He's an obnoxious guy, for example. Or that someone has too much influence on him. But it will probably be a while before there are facts.

I gave Bush 18 months before deciding on an opnion about Bush, so at the moment, I don't even have an opinion on Trump, let alone any facts.

All of that said, I see no problem in opinion threads. The thread about religion by necessity must be opinion, since there are no facts on God. As a Taoist I'm at odds with my own religion, in that Taoism does not allow for a God to be known. Perhaps it can exist, but I suspect it is inseparable from the flow of all life. That contrasts sharply with the idea of a literal scripture, as a Jew. So some debates are insoluble even internally. It's sort of liek C=2B+A; solve for X.

I guess the only active thread I didn't mention here is my Poisonous Pam. That's a theory. Not my theory, it's a friends, but it's not pasta. A theory is neither opinion nor fact, it's piece of information headed towards become fact. So I suppose these are worthwhile towards knowing the truth.

A last thought on this: In the past I've run across threads where I was completely ignorant and someone else had facts. There wasn't much of an argument there, and yet it was the most informative thing I've read on RWED, which was Antimason's thread about Property Rights.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=44076
The video has been removed, but reposted here

The maker of the video is one of us, who is sadly no longer with us

Life is short. Value it, every little piece of it. Every ray of sunshine.

Keep is Shiny

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Good read and sound advice, check yourself at the door as to where a person is coming from. It won't matter to trolls and angry people who post and believe the worst, so it won't change much but I enjoyed the thought.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Good read and sound advice, check yourself at the door as to where a person is coming from. It won't matter to trolls and angry people who post and believe the worst, so it won't change much but I enjoyed the thought.

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Sure, I was thinking about why that was. Politics itself is poisonous. The people here can get along fine on other boards.

I think that most people aren't actually that well informed, I certainly wasn't, and when someone threatens a dearly held believe, the belief holder will respond with a a sort of media programmed argument. To that end, the media creates as many dearly held beliefs as it can, to maintain that audience, for control, destruction or profit. Most of the serious debates here are about which it is in a given case, but no one ever puts it like that. Anything political outside of that tends not an debate but a word salad food fight

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

You found an ally in this thread, huh T?

DT's pretty much been ignoring your posts everywhere else. I think you need to check yourself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
6,

Is that really necessary? Okay, I've skipped a lot of Si Shen's posts, unless they're to me. But if he's joining me in turning over a new leaf, that's good.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Been gnawing about this.

We disagree. Which is good. Because that makes you, you, and me, me. And if the world was me me me me me and me, it would be a very boring placem and we'd be a moron, all of the me's, because we'd all hear my ideas back to me and say, "that's brilliant, me."

So, suddenly all debates have fractured in my head. Now I see there are two types of disagreements, those that a difference of opinion, which is based on our experiences, and what we weigh as important. For example, I'd always weighed the problems FDR created as important, River saw him for all the problems he solved.

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The other is debates about facts. These are important, but they are also the less virulent or hostile of arguments. This is where there is a question as to what happened in Benghazi, which is a matter that has now been settled to my satisfaction. There will be many others.

So, in the future, I will, not just here, but everywhere, make that my first step, is to identify if this is a debate about opinion or fact. I'll abandon the transgender thread, because that's clearly opinion, since the science is still out, it's impossible for either side to win that argument.

Trump is trickier. At the moment, I think views on Trump are based on opinion. He's an obnoxious guy, for example. Or that someone has too much influence on him. But it will probably be a while before there are facts.

I gave Bush 18 months before deciding on an opnion about Bush, so at the moment, I don't even have an opinion on Trump, let alone any facts.

All of that said, I see no problem in opinion threads. The thread about religion by necessity must be opinion, since there are no facts on God. As a Taoist I'm at odds with my own religion, in that Taoism does not allow for a God to be known. Perhaps it can exist, but I suspect it is inseparable from the flow of all life. That contrasts sharply with the idea of a literal scripture, as a Jew. So some debates are insoluble even internally. It's sort of liek C=2B+A; solve for X.

I guess the only active thread I didn't mention here is my Poisonous Pam. That's a theory. Not my theory, it's a friends, but it's not pasta. A theory is neither opinion nor fact, it's piece of information headed towards become fact. So I suppose these are worthwhile towards knowing the truth.

A last thought on this: In the past I've run across threads where I was completely ignorant and someone else had facts. There wasn't much of an argument there, and yet it was the most informative thing I've read on RWED, which was Antimason's thread about Property Rights.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=44076
The video has been removed, but reposted here

The maker of the video is one of us, who is sadly no longer with us
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=3347
Life is short. Value it, every little piece of it. Every ray of sunshine.

Keep is Shiny

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