Another series of Mass Shootings... at Las Vegas... 40 + People Dead? by JAYNEZTOWN

The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.

You realize that everybody here knows that you're the most angry and irrational person on this board, don't you?

You're so full of hate and anger I wonder if you're actually one of the men you hate so much and you get to go online and pretend that you're a woman and make a whole back story for yourself. We already know you hate yourself because you're white. It would be no surprise to anybody if you were a man as well.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:21 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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The average American's response to mass shootings, from what I can tell:

1. Feel horrified. Pray for the families of the victims.
2. Read and share stories about individuals' heroism. Feel a little bit uplifted.
3. Shrug shoulders and say nothing can possibly be done.
4. Repeat.

I skip right to 3 and be done with it.

Indeed. The Onion captures this perfectly:

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:31 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

@second - for decades, the explanation for excessive black violence has been any number of the following - economically disadvantaged , living in a overtly racist country, broken homes and disintegrating family structure, constant reminders of being inferior by media and news reports of ... well, blacks committing crimes , poor education, etc...

These are LEFT WING excuses, which get amplified over and over again in a broken , agenda driven education system as well as the MSM echo chamber.

So when a OLD WHITE GUY, who seemingly had every known advantage there is... wealth, tall stature ( apparently guys who are tall get laid more and make more $ ) , why would he have any reason to strike out at society ???

It runs completely counter to what we're SUPPOSE to believe, unless...

It has zero do to w/ race at all. Hmmm...

If only Stephen Paddock had been a Muslim, or if he had been a member of ISIS, or if we had a picture of him posing with a Quran in one hand and his semiautomatic rifle in another, no one would be telling us not to dishonor the victims and “politicize” Paddock’s mass murder by talking about preventive remedies.

We’d be scheduling immediate hearings in Congress about the worst domestic terrorism event since 9/11. Then President Donald Trump would be tweeting every hour “I told you so,” as he does minutes after every terror attack in Europe, precisely to immediately politicize them. Then there would be immediate calls for a commission of inquiry to see what new laws we need to put in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

We will turn the world upside down to track down the last Islamic State fighter in Syria. And how many Americans has the Islamic State killed in the Middle East? I forget. Is it 15 or 20? Fewer than 59 killed in Las Vegas. And our president never stops telling us that when it comes to ISIS, defeat is not an option.

But when fighting the NRA — the National Rifle Association, which more than any other group has prevented the imposition of common-sense gun-control laws — victory is never an option.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

WISHY

While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent. Although I can't find the simple statistic "What percent of men have been convicted of a violent crime?" a full 97% of white men and 80% of black men have never been jailed. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000312240406900201 And unless you're willing to say that there is a racial component of violence, it's clear from the disparate stats on blacks versus whites that part of that disparity is social, and not related to sex.

So while it is fair to say that the majority of violent criminals are men, it's NOT fair to say that the majority of men are violent criminals.

Men are also more likely to be autistic https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13229-015-
0019-y,

more likely to be both less and MORE intelligent than women https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women/

and more likely to be sociopaths https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23544428

It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior. From an evolutionary standpoint, that would make sense since females are the primary caregivers and females are also the rate-limiting step in human reproduction.

Well. In any case, back to violence. Men in all cultures are on the average more violent than women in that culture, but the rate varies widely by culture: We Americans would rate men in highly conformist cultures (Japan, Denmark) to be virtually non-violent by our standards. And most men are, as a whole, non violent in ANY culture.

Like any trait that exists on a distribution, it's impossible to castigate an entire sex for the deviance of a percentage of its members.

I guess the real question is whether this male/female discrepancy in violence is consequential to the greatest discrepancy in our current society, which is the huge WEALTH GAP in which a tiny fraction of society has commandeered the majority of wealth.

My guess is that today, the real critical sex difference is sociopathy, not interpersonal violence, since violent people tend to be poorer and therefore more often victims of successful sociopaths. IF we were to make a difference in society, we would be arresting sociopaths of either sex, not the violent.

In other words, as headline-grabbing as the mass shooter is, the overwhelming majority of people will never encounter one. OTOH, the sociopathic practices of the CEOs of Equifax, Wells Fargo, Microsoft, and Facebook, and the sociopathic policies of our fearless leaders affect almost everyone.

Hard to do, but we should be looking at successful sociopaths, not the criminally violent, no matter how splashy their actions. While I'm as guilty as anyone with a "traffic accident" attention focus, it's not the Stephen Paddocks who are driving society.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.

Sure. Ya look great. If your only accomplishment in life goals is owning a house.

BTW, that minion's name is Kevin. You told everyone your name back when you were drunk. I was trying to be tactful, but... oh well.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent.

Men are also more likely to be autistic
...and more likely to be sociopaths

It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior.

Sorry, I dispute that. Violence isn't JUST in criminal convictions. It's the whole picture. Which was MY point. Every man I've ever met is violent in some way. Whether it's beating the kids, the wife, sport shooting, violent games, self-harm, punching walls, OR going to jail for something.

We pretty much agree that men are more mentally broken, then. I just didn't take pages to say it.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:51 AM

But this is a white man's problem. According to an analysis by Mother Jones, out of 62 cases between 1982 and 2012 (a time period that would not include the actions of Dylann Roof or Stephen Paddock, among others), 44 of the killers were white men and only one was a woman. Since 1982, mass shootings in the United States have been committed by white men who are often labeled "lone wolves" or "psychologically impaired." As a result, the government that would otherwise be mobilizing its institutions to bring about reform remains a stalwart of the Second Amendment and mass shootings' greatest ally. An over-affinity for guns among white men, dangerous against any other backdrop, gets defended as patriotism by many conservatives or even as white pride by those on the alt-right.

In fact, according to a 2014 poll conducted by Fox News, nearly seven in 10 Republicans believed that gun ownership is patriotic. If espoused by other groups, this sentiment and this number might be considered threatening. Instead, it is welcomed in a way that many believe gives tacit encouragement to potential mass shooters.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/opinions/mass-shootings-white-male-rage-
modan-opinion/index.html

THIS ARTICLE HITS IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The man in the mirror is looking pretty good, princess.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't actually know what my name is.

Sure. Ya look great. If your only accomplishment in life goals is owning a house.

BTW, that minion's name is Kevin. You told everyone your name back when you were drunk. I was trying to be tactful, but... oh well.

See what I mean, everyone.

This is Wishy.

Angry. Hateful. Spiteful. Petty. Pathetic.

Tactful is not in your repertoire.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 1:57 PM

And no. If I told you my name was Kevin when I was drunk, I was lying. I can't tell if you found that picture and you're saying his name is Kevin or what you're trying to say.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:30 PM

Honestly don't understand this violent savage mass mudering crazy fuck, he doesn't seem to have any political or religious motivation...maybe a motivation to beat the media's last body count...this is a spirt of evil and murder and its hard to understand this wicked insanity and evil, perhaps we never will?

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Wealthy, tall, white, no wife, but with a live in g/f... by many standards, he's living the dream. So why isn't the MSM getting the full story here ?

I agree this guy would have been very difficult to see coming, what else can Police or FBI do? Maybe scanners at the Hotel but if someone is determined to kill and get past the security nets then how can they be stopped? perhaps only in some kind of massive Big Brother Joe Stalin society where everyone's movement tracked, every phone call, every mail there might have been one or two more clues....but who the hell wants to a society where the collective population face collective punishment entirely because of the actions of one criminal

His father did have a violent history thourgh and was diagosed psycho and wanted by the FBI, perhaps this had some kind of influece on his stupid, violent, selfish life? but then he chose to become a criminal mass muderer while the brother did not?

I'm not American, but I do know many Americans and lived and worked in America a while and I have a good feeling Americans would rather have their laws much like they are and don't want to live in some kind of giant big brother society where people are investigated for 'thought crimes'

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We pretty much agree that men are more mentally broken, then. I just didn't take pages to say it.

LMAO, I disagree right now in Europe...some of the bigger threats to European stability would be the legacy of idiots like Hillary Clinton and her friends at NATO, who absolutely Destroyed a more or less stable dictaorship turning it into an ISIS islamist hellhole and it now floods Europe with illegal invaders
Tell me if you had a choice who would you side with... the Chameleon Angela Merkel, one second she's Conservative then next Leftist Socialist, then she's a Federal Germany Republican, next she's acting like an insane Communist....this 'do-gooder' a childless greedy power mongering woman wants to Flood Germany, Europe and Flood the West with illegals and invaders from all parts of the world
...now you can chose to side with this woman because of her saggy tits and stand along side her because of her Female German Vagina
or you could side with the Border Police in Europe, the so-called Far-Right Leaders like Viktor Orbán the nations different Army and national Cops....who want to continue working with otehr nations, people who continue commerce and business but people who want to 'Protect' their borders...if that makes people Violent or Far-Right in Your Mind then so be it

It is true that Males are the more violent sex but let's also take history and biology into context....it was not to long ago where a Man was out ranching in America...he could expect his horse or family or cattle to come under attack by say a Wild Cougar, maybe unhappy Native Americans, or a Boar or a Bear or a Wild Wolf or something, America itself was born through violence a violent, born first as the Rapper ICe-T would describe by way of the gun, old Dutch, English, Spainsh and other invaders shot and killed Natives, ICE T would remark how America was born by the gun and lands of Indian America 'WAS stolen' from the Native American Indian, the Civil War and the freeing of Southern Slaves was resolved through violence, the War Independence a war to break away from the British Empire, the battles of American Revolutionary War again this independence was won through canon fire and guns, this need to fight to secure American land, against Wolves, against the poor Indian Native, it is in the DNA and it was not too long ago not too many generations that Man itself was out in the grass and trees with a spear or sword and trying to bring home 'dinner' for the family, the simple DNA or physique of the Man is designed better for fight, run, muscle and battle while the DNA and physical design of the Female Human is designed better for raising and nurturing the younger children, this is going back years and to deny and hate history, to deny and hate biology does not seem a rational thing when instead perhaps you can work with it. ...this gun culture its in the fibre of America

Tell me Wishi

This is something you have never answered

Why are so many human matriarchal societies collapsed, backward, regressive, part of ancient history, survivg as a bunch of man hating grannies stuck in some backward ass village in the middle of nowhere or Doomed to Failure....
...you never once answered me this

Why do matriarchal society and culture always find a destiny to implode and collapse?

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In other words, as headline-grabbing as the mass shooter is, the overwhelming majority of people will never encounter one. OTOH, the sociopathic practices of the CEOs of Equifax, Wells Fargo, Microsoft, and Facebook, and the sociopathic policies of our fearless leaders affect almost everyone.

Hard to do, but we should be looking at successful sociopaths, not the criminally violent, no matter how splashy their actions. While I'm as guilty as anyone with a "traffic accident" attention focus, it's not the Stephen Paddocks who are driving society.

Did he have a comfortable life, perfect jobs....why was he so evil and psycho and why did he do this?

...and now I'm still looking at the whole 'some fishy weird going on conspiracy'....not that I believe a conspiracy but maybe there is something more to the story

acrosss twitter, 4chan repost, the blogs, facebook there might be something??? Was he a Defense Contractor, did he work at NASA or Lockheed?
A Hotel receipt shows two in his room?

http://imgoat.com/uploads/457c545a9d/48253.JPG
https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/915618593726898177
flight records and a plane that belonged to the Las Vegas Shooter?
Is the brother giving away things in his facial movments and body language?
There are reports a 'written Note' was left behind
Some say Marilou Danley's Immigration was sponsored by US Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research?
Was there more than one shooter or did Witness and Police Reports say it wrong and it was only the one guy?
Or os that all just David Icke Lizard Alien /conspiracy Alex Jones fanfiction?

I'm going to say something which may even hurt or offend my American friends...but this is what I think
America has FAILED TO EVOLVE and needs to Evolve

I have lived and worked in many countries, some of them high tech, some simple and rural, some violent and some very unified and peaceful

There are countries more violent than the USA when it comes to gun-crime or violent crime, off the top of my head I can name Jamacia, Trinidad and Tobago, South Africa, Brazil etc Far worse crime than America...of course there are others but they would probably be going through civil war, invasions, political unrest, a terrorist islamic invasion or some kind of ethnic or religious conflict....so I am not counting these but instead counting countries like Brazil, South Africa etc

Another disturbing fact about the USA is it is seen as one of the more richest, stable first world nations.... gun crimes, mass shootings, violent robbery do happen in other nations but not quiet the levels you see in the USA which is almost off the charts when compared with Denmark, Japan, Canada etc the USA is far more violent

I am starting to blame the 'culture' now, I have been across the world Thailand, Germany, South Korea, Japan.... in America things are weird from the anrgy Heavy Metal Rock music or the angry ugly Rap music. Some musicians and actor celebrity and even celebrated more, the more notorious and crazy and violent they get O.J. Simpson is a 'sociopath, a narcissistic liar, a murderer, a thug....and there are plenty of Women in America who write the Serial Killers Love Letters in Jail... and only in certain society can you see movie and video games like the latest Grand Theft Auto and the Shooting up Banks, a Culture of Violence Against Women, Prostitutes, Drugs, Assassinations....in Japan the games that sell well maybe involve some kind of co-operation in some fantasy Village or a Car Race game or if they are killing and shooting up things it can tend to be different like shooting 'zombies and not actual people. The criminal culture like Grand Theft Auto or GTA style games I actually never understood this type of video game ever or why it and others like it so popular, then you have the Video Nasties....What I would call the Torture Porn horror genre, the Saw movies, the Hostel films, or the old Texas Chainsaw Massacre....followed by this you have Newspapers and 24/7 news media tell you Terrorists are attacks, illegal Mexicans Cubans are invading, Foreign Criminal Gangters, Police Brutality! the Russians! the North Koreans, ISIS....probably people are almost on edge and it won't take much to set them off. Then followed by all this you have the Heroes in American and Hollywood film....American movies are different, I suggest people go rent a French film, watch an Indie Canadian film, a film from Norway or Japan or South Korea...yes there are themes of violence of drama of suspense and murder...but not on the same level of Hollywood...in Hollywood its insane, this is how fuuucked the Television is today, the Tv shows now feature some devilish drug dealer or serial killer as the entertainer, the lead or even the good guy.... the Hollywood hero, some White dude playing the lead like John Wayne, Mel Gibson or Stallone or Arnie fundamental Lack of Empathy, a sociopathic disregard for their enemies' lives, and possibly a lack of concern for even the people they save. They may be motivated by boredom, a raw thirst for combat, or by some sort of dark comedy, carrot-and-stick arrangement, slapstick dark shoot em up film, the movies with this "hero" has become almost as evil as any of the monsters he vanquished? This weird twisted and violent message. It repeats and repeats in Rambo, Sin City, Terminator 2, the Kill Bill movies, Sons of Anarchy series...I'm sure someone has a better list of movie heroes with massive body counts

I am not saying movies or books cause violence
...but it may give ideas to someone who going cabin fever stir crazy, is almost over the edge and ready to go 'Postal' as they would say

btw, finally I am not saying any products or books or movies or video games need to be censored or banned but America, the USA as a whole needs to EVOLVE now, asap

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:02 PM

America loves a winner!

Wait...weren't we just told over the last few years that there's ZERO difference between men and women, we're basically the exact same, equal and damn near interchangeable ? I could identify as a man for my entire adult life, but hey, if on next Tuesday, I changed my mind and wanted to identify as a woman, that's OK !

But one mass shooting, and it's suddenly MEN SUCK ! MEN ARE VIOLENT ! MEN DO DRUGS !!! ...

Fair enough. But speaking of DRUGS, does anyone want to address the elephant in the room that every mass shooter was on some form of psychotropic medication ??

Or is that a FACT we just want to gloss over , hmmmm ??

And I'm sure it's TOTALLY unrelated, but while Hillary and the usual suspects are bashing the NRA for something a drugged up shooter did, yet again, let's not forget this nugget of information...

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:02 PM

I think the whole more than one shooter or two shooters thing is largely debunked, as people won't remember and recall everything correctly with all the chaos, blood and gunfire, also sounds of gunfire could have echoed off buildings giving a false sense or illusion of more than one shotter

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I see you missed the point about how the news covers these stories: If the killer is white, he is just another troubled man.

LT Col Tony Shaffer talks about the rise in extremism on the left, uses the word Terrorism, talked about Leftwing Extremism and how Las Vegas is shaping up to be deliberate act of terror?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Fair enough. But speaking of DRUGS, does anyone want to address the elephant in the room that every mass shooter was on some form of psychotropic medication ??

Or is that a FACT we just want to gloss over , hmmmm ??

That's an interesting point you made, I wonder if this also applied overseas, many shooting happened in the USA but I know there are a few mass murder rampage killers that also occured in Canada, France, Australia, England, Switzerland.... I wonder if in these cases too the person or people were on some kind of psycological medications...

...if the BigPharma are making some kind of drugs which are damaging and warping people's mind, chemically changing and disturbing people enough to lead them on a path to kill that would be a big story

Could they cover it up? BigPharma would have to buy out a lot of politicians and world news media

...the conspiracy seems a bit too far-fetched to me

However I do remember seeing the faces of some of these arrested killers, some of the school shooters and that Batman theatre guy looked out of their minds, even weird almost demon-possessed like? maybe some of them are on drugs?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/james-holmes-trial-batman-cine
ma-5594644

One guy James Holmes took haunting selfies of himself posing the black contact lenses in the days before the 'Batman' massacre.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

...now you can chose to side with this woman because of her saggy tits and stand along side her because of her Female German Vagina

Why do matriarchal society and culture always find a destiny to implode and collapse?

I'm going to say something which may even hurt or offend my American friends...but this is what I think
America has FAILED TO EVOLVE and needs to Evolve

Was there a question in there or are you just typing with your saggy dick?
Nevermind. We know yer an idiot.

When you explain why KINGDOMS fail, I'll explain why QUEENDOMS fail.
England has been doing pretty well, despite saggy boobs. Lots of queens there...

I agree, we've failed to evolve to rid ourselves of religion and political parties fast enough, we've failed to give mandatory mental health screenings (of which you would fail COMPLETELY) and limit the amount of weapons you can own and NOT be a dealer. We've failed to elect sane and competent leadership, and sponsor comprehensive education and health plans.

We have also failed to get white males to see they have smaller penises than black males, which is causing many problems. They buy guns to compensate, then shoot people when they can no longer get it up, It's VERY sad.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:09 PM

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Wait...weren't we just told over the last few years that there's ZERO difference between men and women,

NO, no one ever said men and women are exactly the same, they were trying to get *geniuses* such as yourself to understand that in THIS country, if you want to do a traditional guys job and you are female, you can try for that. If you wanted to a traditional woman's job and you are male, you can go for that. Think about all the stay-at-home dads....Woman aren't the only ones to benefit from role reversal. Unless the job is penis model or vagina model, we're all humans and pretty interchangeable.

Like acting. No one should care of a women is doing a part or a man is doing the part BECAUSE IT IS *ACTING*. It's not REAL, anyhow.

And they were on drugs probably because they had mental issues. Would you rather they HADN'T taken anything and maybe shot people SOONER.

Hubby is on drugs, and I wouldn't want to go back to NO drugs. It doesn't work.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:24 PM

Rampage killers, USA, since 1900 ... actual list is too long.
those with minimum of 10 deaths ... eliminates the majority of them.

Year Deaths Place
1903 10 Winfield, KS
Gilbert Twigg
1949 13 Camden, NJ
Howard Barton Unruh
1958 10 Nebraska to Wyoming
Charles Starkweather & Caril Fugate
1964 43 Danville, CA
Francisco Gonzales
1984 21 San Diego, CA
James Huberty
1987 42 San Luis Obispo, CA
David Burke
1990 11 Jacksonville, FL
James Pough
1991 23 Killeen, TX
George Hennard
2002 11 Baton Rouge LA-Maryland VA-Washington DC
John Muhammad & Lee Malvo
2009, 13 Binghampton, NY
Jiverly Wong
2009, 10 Kinston, Samson & Geneva, Alabama
Michael McLendon
2012 12 Aurora, CO
James E Holmes
2017 60+ Paradise, NV
Stephen Paddock

I did think about Bonnie & Clyde ... but they "rampaged" for profit.

Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.

My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.

As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:52 PM

Wow. Just.... wow.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.

My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.

As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Maybe. By what means though?

I can't imagine any scenario where active steps would be taken that wouldn't be both very expensive to implement as well as being a great invasion of privacy of every American citizen.

I guess it all depends on where you land with your thoughts on Orwellian/Huxleyan lore.

Personally, I'm getting too old to care about any of this shit and I don't imagine I'd be around long enough to see the day that actually implement the necessary programs. I guess it's a question of what kind of future you want to leave for your kids if you have any.

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Probably the only way this list could teach us anything ...
who are these guys? what are they like? how do we spot 'em? ...
is if it were analyzed by psychologists & psychiatrists.

My guess is that all of these killers were born with broken/abnormal
brain chemistry. Probably, bad nurture also a key element.

As such, they could be spotted ahead of time.

That's what we were talking about on page one. The overwhelming majority of spree killers are white males. And if you say that around white males they just deflect about black men shooting more people individually, like it matters, or they are in a twisted blame game competition...
Then I pointed out males are more violent then women, and they get defensive again. I think I hit a nerve.

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:11 AM

lol...

repeat yourself much, Princess?

Everybody has been here for the show you're putting on.

Hell... you're doing such a bang up job convincing everybody you're right that even Kiki has all but flat out denied that she's a feminist earlier in this thread.

Keep going. Show everybody what I'm talking about when I say that the feminist movement has been co-opted by extremists and lunatics.

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:25 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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While men constitute the majority of those convicted of a violent crime, the majority of men aren't violent.

Men are also more likely to be autistic
...and more likely to be sociopaths

It's almost as if there are more genetic controls on female brain development/behavior than on male brain development/behavior. - SIGNY

Sorry, I dispute that. Violence isn't JUST in criminal convictions. It's the whole picture. Which was MY point. Every man I've ever met is violent in some way. Whether it's beating the kids, the wife, sport shooting, violent games, self-harm, punching walls ...

... yelling at people on the internet ...

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... OR going to jail for something. - WISHY

Yanno WISHY, you're one of the angriest people here. Now, you may have your reasons, but I wouldn't be going around telling people that all men are violent and angry if I were you, otherwise someone might mistake you for a man.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 4:46 AM

Goin' back to the PRE-Civilization caveman days with Alley Oop
(& Oola) by V.T. Hamlin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._T._Hamlin

Back in those days, it was just "natural" & inevitable.
Men were strong & adventurous; women were beautiful &
liked to? stay home cleaning the Cave.

It's true, too: Men are built for running, hunting & combat;
women are built for babies.
In my youth, it seemed very unfair to let the men have all the fun.
But when I watch boxing or football ... Let George do it.

Men & Women are different because it took both sets of
skills to maintain a community in the old days. Even now,
as I see it, vive la difference.

I no longer worry about the very unfairness of it.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:58 AM

I have a feeling there is some sort of deception or lies going on, I don't know where it is coming from but something is not adding up
He planned this, maybe even wanted to shoot up a ?Life is Beautiful Festival? before this event? He is or was rich, can send money, wire hundred thousand dollars? He has a safe the size of a fridge? Some clips say he had no training but clearly he has training and some sort of weapons experience. Now there is talk of a Secret Life? He possibly once worked for the government, maybe NASA or worked in Defense? He had Explosives in Rooms or Cars? Possible Domestic Terrorism?

Will we ever get the full truth?

There’s no way to report many of the fastest-spreading Las Vegas conspiracy theories on Facebook
https://qz.com/1094282/las-vegas-shooting-theres-no-way-to-report-many
-of-the-fastest-spreading-las-vegas-conspiracy-theories-on-facebook/

It is possible the NRA is itself part of this crazy media industry, the film mkaer Moore who did an interview/ambush on that old actor, Bowling for Columbines famous Charlton Heston Clips....Does it suit the NRA and other groups to politicall bunker down and sell a conspiracy that somthing is up? there are second shooters, something false, people lying or acting...who wins and can profit from dis-information? Are Facebook and Google now blocking links to 4Chan, Blogs and Facebook itself?... Would this be false and conspiracy or some tinfoil plot sold by fanatic gun owners?
https://8ch.net/pol/index.html
...the Paranoid Gun Loving Redneck Conspiracy?
Four Seasons Hotel Las Vegas is not a stand-alone structure. It is located on the top five floors of Mandalay Bay
'....need to explore the angle of...'

but what are the facts???
...on Vegas...We know the City was Described Many Times as 'Sin City' and Historically Built by the Mob

Are the Facts on all this Man's Actions Adding Up?

Next

His room....

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which goes for $590 US a night, was free for Paddock because he was a good customer who wagered tens of thousands of dollars each time he visited the casino

items confiscated from Paddock included 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totaled 50 pounds. But it wasn't clear what, if anything, Paddock planned to do with the explosives, the sheriff said.

Las Vegas sheriff says gunman's 'secret life' slowing search for motive
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/las-vegas-shooting-motive-1.4333737

'He had to have help at some point': Las Vegas gunman's level of planning, firearms and ammo point to an ACCOMPLICE, police say - as they search for mystery woman he was seen with in his last days
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4950426/Las-Vegas-shooter-ESCA
PE-planned-police-reveal.html#

Google said in a statement that a link to the "Politically Incorrect" message board on 4chan.org appeared for several hours in its "Top Stories" search results before its search algorithm replaced it with more relevant results. The 4chan result only appeared "for a small number of queries," Google said.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/las-vegas-latest-officials-update-number-o
f-firearms-found-1.3614896
Facebook said its security team removed results from the conservative political website "The Gateway Pundit" and other similar posts.

Writer Walter Kirn says, I fear the #LasVegasShooter acted out of that most chilling & empty of all-American motives. To set a record. To be number one. That's it
Chilling indeed, and chillingly plausible.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/las_vegas_shooting_q
uestions_still_unanswered.html

Las Vegas gunman targeted aviation fuel tanks during shooting spree, report says
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-targeted-aviatio
n-fuel-tanks-during-shooting-spree-report-says.html

We are getting answers from the mainstream media and facts on the crime scene and yet a 'conspiracy' of sorts, maybe even a genuine conspiracy continues

Or is Conspiracy itself and Misinformation Is now the New Normal?

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5 theories on Las Vegas shooting
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/what-stephen-paddocks-motive-5
-11277759

Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC, which there is little information on.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-vegas-plot-thickens-the-connection-
between-the-shooter-and-an-intelligence-agency_102017

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/clark-county-sheriff-says-har
d-believe-shooter-didnt-have-help-unless-hes-superman
During a lengthy press conference update on the investigation into the Las Vegas massacre, Clark County Sheriff Lombardo expressed his belief that gunman Stephen Paddock had to have help at some point but sarcastically says "maybe he’s a super guy."

Clearly showing the strains of being awake under serious stress for the last 72 hours, the sheriff explained...

“Look at this. You look at the weapon obtaining the different amounts of tannerite available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own, face value?”

Sheriff Lombardo stated that the piece of paper in the gunman's hotel room was not a suicide note and that authorities have seen evidence that the shooter planned to survive and possible escape, adding that he could not disclose details...

RIP to the victims and hopefully a quick and speedy recovery to all those injured

I seen one vid on facebook twitter, didn't get through it because its rough and horrible...and I won't post it here too disgusting, sick, brutal, too real, too ugly and too morbid

but its worth talking about

There's some guy going around filming all, mobile cell phone footage, he seems confused maybe he has little med training or he's in a state of shock and is unsure how to re-act, he tries to check a girl's pulse then she stars bleeding out her mouth, another guy people recognize him in the comments, maybe a Soldier or Marine Chris he's kinda well respected or famous for something did in Iraq or Afghnaistan from the comments only in this vid to lay dead/dying at this event and this horrible crime massacre, a lot of injured or people almost at death, F--king brutal... the whole thing made me respect Doctors, Emergency Medical Technician, CPR, Ambulance a whole lot more than I already did and I already give these guys huge respect but now I respect them more, the lights have gone out, they are working across the field, the barriers, the ground and stage in near total darkness...some medecine guy argues with security...they have killed the lights just as people needed more help.... the security man, block headed stone cold bone faced security is like they are already gone "everyone on the ground is already deceased," and the camera man saying "no they're fucking not, I've got an Emergency Medical working on a guy over there, an EMT working on a woman over there," its horrible to look at, heart wrenching. The man is running around, perhaps in a state of shock, trying his best to help, and this Security Event person off camera is just like lights off, secure the area, "everyones gone, alldead, lights off to secure the venue."

news items

Newsweek Retracts Story on Marilou Danley, Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock's Companion
http://www.thewrap.com/newsweek-retracts-marilou-danley-stephen-paddoc
k-vegas-shooter/

Las Vegas Shooting: Gunman’s Girlfriend $100, 000 Gift, Said She Didn’t Know He Planned Harm/Sent $100K to Buy House
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

per head of population, is the Native American tribe the most peaceful people of them all?

https://whosshooting.com/

62% of mass shooting casualties were caused by blacks, 17% by whites, 13% by Hispanics, 5% by Arabs, 2% by Asians, and 1% by "native" Americans.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Keep going. Show everybody what I'm talking about when I say that the feminist movement has been co-opted by extremists and lunatics.

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno WISHY, you're one of the angriest people here. Now, you may have your reasons, but I wouldn't be going around telling people that all men are violent and angry if I were you, otherwise someone might mistake you for a man.

Another classic from her greatest hits, when she ain't ranting like crazy or blaming America or talking about penis or she's trying to blame all men for something else

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

If you hada live with the shit black men do, wouldn't YOU wanna kill something?

We all know black people are more violent than whites.

Most days I wish I was Asexual. Add it to Agnostic, and I can watch all the genders, races, and religions squabble yourselves to death.

There was some Doctor Psychologist on Fox mentioning some kind of Leftwing Extremism or Political motive

Lt. Colonel Schafer: Authorities have video from Paddock that reveals political motive
http://dennismichaellynch.com/lt-colonel-schafer-authorities-video-pad
dock-reveals-political-motive/

Vegas shooter must have had ‘help at some point’: authorities
http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/vegas-shooter-must-have-had-help-at-some-
point-authorities/

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-wa
s-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.267009e16ad4

Why Are White People Culpable For Stephen Paddock But Not Arabs For Islamic Terrorism?
https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/04/white-people-culpable-stephen-pad
dock-not-arabs-islamic-terrorism/

Event on this Level.....Happened Every Month in Chicago?
Chicago Alone Accounts For 10 Percent Of Mass Shootings In The US
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/04/chicago-alone-accounts-for-10-percen
t-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

the Brother Interviews?

Body Language? Lying?

and every Media outlet wanting to do their own propaganda their own spin...Spin, Spin and what may get lost is the reality and truth of it?

maybe this is one of those terrible historical events that will never add up, never make sense

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Goin' back to the PRE-Civilization caveman days with Alley Oop
(& Oola) by V.T. Hamlin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._T._Hamlin

some of these old toons are brilliant in their commentary, I would love to collect those classics in a book

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 9:59 AM

America loves a winner!

@ wishi - apparently you've been in a deep coma for the past 10 years. Yes, many have been saying that men and women are exactly the same, and that gender is a false social construct. And the issue here is not "jobs". My God, we're talking about the physiology and biological differences of men and women. Our bodies are different, our brains to work differently. That is undeniable.

I know for damn sure that I am wasting my time trying to explain this to a person who is dead set on trying to steer the conversation into uncharted, unrelated matters.

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I don't mean to derail the thread from the shooting event, there's a lot of new and puzzling information coming out about it this. For example, when I first heard that Paddock had 10 guns in his hotel room, I wondered how he could have gotten all of them past hotel security. Now that I read that he had "over 20" guns in his room, plus who-knows-how-many magazines of ammo ... it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??

But to get back to the issue of men and women ... WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women", and you make this an issue of sex, then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex. Discrimination based on genetics cuts both ways.

I think YOUR problem, WISHY, and a problem that a LOT of people have, is that they deal with people categorically instead of individually. We get used to talking about "men" and "women" and "old people" and "they" as if every single member meets the characteristics that we've assigned to the category. "Men" are more violent than women, "men" are taller than women, "men" are smarter than women. IN REALITY, there is a huge overlap between men and women. Yes, men ON THE AVERAGE are taller than women, but does that mean that all men are taller than all women? Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women, but did you know that Emmy Noether, a female mathematician in pre-WWII Europe and contemporary of Einstein, solved a mathematical conundrum at the heart of Einstein's theory by forwarding a theorem now called "Noether's Theorem", and that Einstein called her a "genius"? Yes, "men" are ON THE AVERAGE more violent than women, but there are plenty of peaceable men, and plenty of violent women. Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually? Statistics do indeed tell us something about the associations of one thing to another .... blacks are interpersonally more violent than whites, but whites are mass murderers ... but instead treating everyone as if they're the inevitable outcome of their genes, we should probably look at them as individuals instead. That overcomes the problem of both positive and negative prejudice.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic ....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:41 PM

America loves a winner!

wow... nicely stated.

I have no response to that.

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 9:36 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

I'm not meaning to target you specifically Sig, yours was just the post that finally jolted me to join in this discussion:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??

Are you suggesting there's something wrong with an American citizen carrying his arsenal of 20 guns around with him? Is that not his constitutional right?

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WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women",

Just skimming through this thread, but is the idea that men are statistically more violent than women supposed to be controversial?

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then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex.

More 'violent' and more 'intelligent' - to me that sounds contradictory.

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Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women,

There are many different types of intelligence, IQ is the male scientists' who invented it idea of intelligence. Naturally it skews towards male brains, one could argue.

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Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually?

I think we can all agree that it's bad to stereotype. Can we not also agree that statistics can teach us profound things about ourselves and our societies - things that, maybe, we ought to confront? Being able to mentally hold both of these truths at once is the key to grown up debate.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Thursday, October 5, 2017 9:43 PM

lol

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I no longer worry about the very unfairness of it.

It may not bug you as much, because you may not have not been affected by it as much?

I'm a woodworker. Have been since I was old enough to swing a hammer. In Jr High, I was put in a group with other males who would not let me touch a single tool for a group project. I went and did my own project and got an D on it because I!!! didn't work in the group when there was NO working with them.

Took woodshop and tech crew in high school when all the other girls -except one- didn't. I have seen how incredibly assholic a male can be to a female when she holds power tools... dozens of times. The other girl was injured because of a guy in the class that just could not leave her alone. Had to have plastic surgery on her face.

I even worked at a veneer plant with all guys who tried to get me fired when I suggested to the boss he have a talk with one of the pricks that could not shut up about "T and A" ALL DAY LONG. I didn't go above anyone's head, I didn't file anything, I tried to be civil and they tried to fire me for it! I had to threaten to sue. The plant closed a couple weeks later, thankfully.

I have three family members who work construction. Had I been born with a penis, I would have been invited to join the family business, but because I have tits instead, two of them cannot even look me in the eye when they speak to me.

When I was a night manager at a gas station, one of the people I was in charge of was infatuated with me. Used to call me at home and tell me he loved me (he was 46, black, a drunk, and a foot shorter than me

). I finally had to tell him off, and he decided that after that he wasn't going to do anything I asked him to do, so I ended up doing BOTH our jobs, until I could find another.

The ONLY males I have found that have half of brain one are on the Autism Spectrum, and it's because they are smart enough to know gender doesn't really matter. They get put down because they are different, so they know what that means. Have not met one neuro-typical male who could put the gender crap down long enough to just get the damn work done.

I have many many more stories, but because I am the only female living near my grandmother (as she had three sons and my mother lives in Texas) I spent all day driving her around and doing ridiculous nonsensical errands (today was picking up an old carpet remnant so she could put it in the garage??) and I am tired.

Men SUCK.

Even my dad, who was fairly smart...raped mom because he thought he could. Violently beat us because his dad did. Told me I couldn't have his truck, because girls shouldn't drive trucks. Not the first idiot I've heard THAT from...

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Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:

@ wishi - apparently you've been in a deep coma for the past 10 years. Yes, many have been saying that men and women are exactly the same, and that gender is a false social construct.

Just AVENS and Non-binary say that, but of course you would think if one person on the opposing side says it they all must.

Normal people just want normal job rights. That's what it's ALWAYS been about, since Rosie the Riveter...

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Friday, October 6, 2017 2:27 AM

Normal people have normal job rights.

You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.

You've lived your entire life being the victim. If you acknowledged the fact that everybody has equal opportunity in 2017, it would strip you of your very identity so you cling onto false logic and skewed statistics to validate your hatred and misandry.

I had a hard childhood too. Wasn't easy being the shortest boy in class and having glasses and braces at the same time. Kids are shitty. Both boys and girls. Men don't automatically have everything handed to them because they're in the penis club. There all in competition with each other from the moment we're in grade school.

You're a mom with a child. It's time for you to grow up and start acting like one or she's going to grow up to be a scared little man hating woman like you one day.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 3:59 AM

6 has a point.

I am a LOL, a sweet little old lady ... who drives a truck.
It sort of picked me: My brother wanted to get rid of it,
& I could afford it.
I like my truck.

My family was the opposite of yours in one way. My Mom beat
my Dad up all the time; but it wasn't physical; it was verbal,
emotional, almost endless.
See, they both were the youngest in their families, the babies.
Not Adults.

I'll be 75 in November. I've worked thru a big pile of emotional
garbage in my life, both in & out of therapy. Read a few books
on it, too. I'm better now. Did the lessons kick in or did the
traumas fade? Some of the earliest ones still nag at me.
None of the changes came fast enough for me ... until they were done.

What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.

The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Friday, October 6, 2017 7:52 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Just AVENS and Non-binary say that, but of course you would think if one person on the opposing side says it they all must.

Normal people just want normal job rights. That's what it's ALWAYS been about, since Rosie the Riveter...

Don't know what AVENS or Non-binary has to do w/ anything, but in a thread about a mass shooter where you try to lay blame on MALES , I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and nonsense that is you.

have a nice day.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 10:30 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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KRAPO:I'm not meaning to target you specifically Sig, yours was just the post that finally jolted me to join in this discussion:

Oh goodies. You've decided to follow me from thread to thread, trolling.

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SIG: it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??

KRAPO: Are you suggesting there's something wrong with an American citizen carrying his arsenal of 20 guns around with him? Is that not his constitutional right?

Hotels have the right to limit what you can bring onto their property, and - in a city awash with cash and alcohol - guns are not welcome.

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SIGNY: WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women"

KRAPO: Just skimming through this thread, but is the idea that men are statistically more violent than women supposed to be controversial?

No, but that's not what WISHY wrote. What she posted was that ALL MEN ARE VIOLENT. And she posted it more than once. Learn to read, willya?

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SIGNY: then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex.

KRAPO: More 'violent' and more 'intelligent' - to me that sounds contradictory.

You're confusing intelligence with ethics. Violence is one tool in the toolkit of manipulating your environment. Those who are willing to, and who know how to employ violence have more options than others. For example, some sociopaths are scary smart, scary effective, and also just plain scary.

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SIGNY: Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women

KRAPO: There are many different types of intelligence, IQ is the male scientists' who invented it idea of intelligence. Naturally it skews towards male brains, one could argue.

True. But however measured, male IQ definitely has a different distribution than female: higher standard deviation, and skewed somewhat more towards visualization.

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SIGNY: Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually?

KRAPO: I think we can all agree that it's bad to stereotype. Can we not also agree that statistics can teach us profound things about ourselves and our societies - things that, maybe, we ought to confront? Being able to mentally hold both of these truths at once is the key to grown up debate.

Isn't that what I said? "Statistics do indeed tell us something about the associations of one thing to another" There are two problems with the way people use statistics, though, which I'm sure you're aware of: (1) Statistics don't tell us about causality. For example, stats tell us that blacks are more interpersonally violent than whites. However, unless you've also gathered data on education, unemployment, exposure to lead, family structure etc. you might be tempted to follow the stats to say that being black is the CAUSE of interpersonal violence. When two things are correlated, it could be that A causes B, B causes A, A and B are caused by C, or coincidence. (2) People don't understand that populations have a distribution. They assume that all members of a population are like the average.

I hope that puts your misunderstandings, and your trolling, to rest.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, October 6, 2017 10:37 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Mass Killings: An Evolutionary Perspective

Some aspects of mass killings are clearer—especially those by older men.
Posted Oct 04, 2017
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective

Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)

Remember — we have done the genetic analysis and most males (60 percent) do not reproduce. Status is exquisitely linked to male reproductive success, and males who were blind to its ups and downs have simply not had descendants. Call it “face”; call it “honor”; call it “status” or call it “prestige”. We are all descended from men who cared about it. (5)

We might have tamed it somewhat in modern society. We give it useful outlets. Sport. Awards at work. Elaborate rituals where we show that a person has so much status to spare, that they can even survive being roasted by professional comedians. Sometimes, in some individuals, and for reasons that we still do not understand, this pressure to value status can go very badly awry.

This has happened across time and space. There is even a Malay word, “Amok” which has passed into the language as “running amok”. Young (usually) Malay men would, for reasons unknown, attack innocent bystanders, usually with knives, sometimes with grenades. We used to think that this was what was called a “culture bound syndrome”, but we know better now. Indeed, “amok” has been dropped from the current DSM-5. Instead, we have “rampage” or “spree” killers. For simplicity sake I shall group all these together as “mass” killings — where five or more people, often unknown to the perpetrator, are killed — sometimes in multiple locations. (6)

Data Gathering

We carried out an archival study of seventy mass killers going back nearly a hundred years. Our methodology was highly conservative. We relied on only using archival accounts where we could double (or triple) up on the independent corroboration of details. Media tends to get highly speculative (and often political) about these events, and we did not want to get taken down any garden paths. In addition, we restricted the search to North America—for a couple of interesting reasons.

More at www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:13 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It may not bug you as much, because you may not have not been affected by it as much?- WISHY

Follows is a list of discriminatory incidents from the family, school, and on the job...

WISHY, I think you ought to move to another state. With broader experience, you might look back and realize that "the problem" is that your home town has a higher-than-average percentage of troglodytes.

*****

Ok, here's the problem as I see it:

There really is interpersonal prejudice. Prejudice against women, against people of color, against short men with glasses. Against the disabled, against old people, against people with mental disabilities. SOME white males are willing and able to enforce this prejudice through violence and keep the system going. And because you feel it in your day-to-day, it's what you focus on. It's not right and it's not fair; and it causes our economy to run poorly when people can't express their best talents but get forced into roles they perhaps do less well. Because if you would not have been hindered from developing your talents, who knows what you might have achieved? Heck, you might have become an out-of-work CNC operator! Or a woodworker making custom furniture for a nonexistent customer base! Or - much less probably- perhaps even a successful architect.

But who said this was a meritocracy anyway?

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ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND DISGUSTING ABOUT YOU, WISHY, IS THAT ALL YOU DO IS WHINE ABOUT YOUR LOT IN LIFE. You have ZERO empathy for other people, for the sacrifices they may have had to make to achieve their success, NO appreciation of the role of luck in success, and NO insight at all into what it takes to be a success. Is is possible that what's holding YOU back is a medical condition? One which prevents you from committing the time and energy it takes to be a star in your career path?

YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER SUCCESS THEY WERE ALLOWED BY TPTB, AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHETHER YOU WERE WILLING OR ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF SACRIFICES.

Me? NOT SO MUCH. I COULD have gone to medical school, but I just couldn't stomach the thought of eight more years of training! I COULD have advanced into upper management, but I just couldn't put in 60-hour weeks. I COULD have become a computer phenom like hubby, but I just wasn't ready to study ten hours a day. I candidly allow that I could have done more and been more, if I had made different choices.

I also freely allow that there are people with better mental and physical capabilities than me. I'm not as quick, or as strong, or as tall, or as smart, as some. There's nothing I can do about that. But I'm old enough and hopefully wise enough not to spend the rest of my life bitching about what I was born with. There are people much worse off .... our daughter, for instance.

******

There is a greater prejudice at work, the one which allows some people to garner huge rewards for (in essence) parasitism and theft. It's the one that consigns 99.9% of the people to making shit wages, and 99.9999% to powerlessness, and cause the VAST MAJORITY OF INEQUALITY IN THE USA. But because the wealthy are pretty good at hiding out from the rest of us, minimizing their wealth and power from public perception, it doesn't get shoved in our faces every day, and consequently we lose focus in the GREATEST source of inequity in our lives. OR we somehow feel that they have "earned" their status, and they we could, too, if only we applied ourselves like the 0.0001%.

So, with the agreement that prejudice should be eliminated whenever possible .... and I would start out with "blinded" applications for everything under the sun ... can we make that NOT our burning issue, but focus instead on the numerically more important inequities in our society? Specifically, the one that rewards thievery and punishes working for a living?

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:26 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND- I think that while living in the same physical environment, women and men live in different worlds. Most women don't automatically scan a room of people when they first enter to estimate who can "take on" whom and win. This is a mostly male perspective. I don't know how common it is among men, but it's only been expressed to me by men.

I honestly think that mass killings are almost alway triggered by a failed development of some other part of the brain. Maybe the killers are sociopaths, or maybe the killer is schizophrenic, and the "limiter" on behavior simply never developed. So rather than a particular behavior being over-expressed, perhaps the problem is in some OTHER area of the brain. The brain IMHO is a complex ecology of parts, and it's probably a failure elsewhere that causes this behavior to be over-expressed.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:29 AM

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You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.

SAYS THE GUY WHO IS LITERALLY A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.

Agoraphobic?? Nope. Just a lazy pussy. Been lazy and useless so long you don't know how to do anything else.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
6 has a point.

What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.

The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.

HE REALLY DOESN'T.

I'm sorry your mom was a witch, but it really is NOTHING compared to the scale of damage that men do every day. Your generation tends to idolize men and not see their faults, because my grandma is just like that.

I've LITERALLY never met a "prince" as you call them. Meditation does NOTHING to acknowledge or stop the problem that is the reason of this thread. You've stopped caring, but I got a daughter I don't want victimized by obliviousness. She knows never to trust a man, she will be much better off.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:42 AM

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Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)

VERY GOOD POINT. I see toxic masculinity culture EVERY DAY here.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 11:51 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND- I think that while living in the same physical environment, women and men live in different worlds. Most women don't automatically scan a room of people when they first enter to estimate who can "take on" whom and win. This is a mostly male perspective. I don't know how common it is among men, but it's only been expressed to me by men.

From the footnotes of the article about mass murderers: "There were three female killers in our sample but this was too small a group for proper analysis."

The younger group of mass murderer males (average age 23) tended to have been in trouble with the law, they were more likely to have had mental illness. In other words — at the age where young men are acquiring status, and the skills and abilities that will enable them to do so — they were, in fact, acquiring signs that they were on a fast track to reproductive oblivion. In ancestral times — times without highly trained and equipped SWAT teams — a “Hail Mary” attempt to attract female attention and make ‘them’ take you seriously might (just might) have worked. Follow-up work we are doing suggests that many of this type do attract a significant amount of female attention when in prison. (7)

The older group of mass murderer males (average age 41) were much more likely to be married, and maybe have families. They were less likely to have had prior signs of legal issues or of mental illness. But a peek into their personal details (so far as we were able) revealed that they had a pattern of recent status loss — or threat of same. A job. A relationship. Custody battles. A looming scandal. These older guys were not so much trying to acquire status, their actions looked more like a highly pathological attempt to not lose it. No more rational than the desperate “If I cannot have you then no-one can” actions of a jealous murderer, the role of status possibly sheds some light on their final act.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 6, 2017 1:05 PM

Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock planned to live, ‘plotted more mayhem’ and had an escape route
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/gunman-stephen-paddock-book
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HE died in the room where he launched his deadly shooting spree but it’s emerged the Las Vegas killer had an escape plan — and more mayhem to unleash.

here's one floating around conspiracy circles and the people who vist those blogs and forums, David Icke, Steven M. Greer, Jim Marrs, Mike Rivero, Rense Radio, Jordan Maxwell, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Adam Kokesh, Stefan Molyneux, Lew Rockwell, Mike Adams, Drudge Report, Alex Jones type news emails

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I knew I recognized the name of Stephen Paddock.

He was the DOD Auditor at Morton Thiokol from 1985-1988
when the Challenger disaster occurred in 1986.

Paddock as DOD Auditor was the SOB that was supposed to be auditing that DOD Protocols were in compliance before approving Invoices.

In other words, Paddock should have certified there existed the proper storage space, Class A clean lab and that low temperature facility was being used or contracted. None of this was done by Paddock in retrospect. In other words,
it appears this man was a possible plant to sabotage the Thiokol Space Shuttle program which resulted in Lockheed Martin picking up all the prime aerospace contracts. This happened 32 years ago. Who placed Paddock as the DOD Auditor and which Thiokol Execs interfaced with Paddock?

Did Paddock also purchase guns from any Utah gun store during late 1980s? Probably all the relevant documentation was mislabeled or hit the Deep Six and cannot be recovered.

Paddock owned two planes, multiple rental properties, lived in 27 different locations, bought weapons that could be converted to full auto for decades and visited numerous large cities.

The old CIA business model says they hired “disgruntled” IRS employees, who had a foreign wife to launder funds overseas, operate from multiple locations, hired to setup sting ops originally for drug buys and later auto gun sales.

One FBI stated that Paddock was a CIA operative for sting operations acting as the high roller gun sales.
His wife was CIA from 1999. One of his planes with N5343 tracks back and co-owned by a CIA contractor in Roanoke, VA.

Paddock did not become a millionaire in “real estate”, these were payoffs or kickbacks from some Gov Agency.

You cannot wire $100K to any foreign bank without it being traced - nothing said or done in her case. ISIL may
have been the buyer for guns and explosives found in room. They may have killed Paddock and turned the guns on the Concert which is why they are taking credit. Numerous videos show multiple shooters. Gov story was
almost immediately a “single shooter” and nothing more to see here-move on.

The whole Gov story is falling apart.

Who the hell is Stephen Paddock really? Far more than what the Public is being told.

LV was a total screw up as a sting operation by somebody.

or just a tinfoil headed conspiracy

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Friday, October 6, 2017 1:20 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.

SAYS THE GUY WHO IS LITERALLY A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.

Agoraphobic?? Nope. Just a lazy pussy. Been lazy and useless so long you don't know how to do anything else.

LOL

I admit my issues and my flaws.

I've done exceedingly well in some areas and not so great in other areas.

I don't look at my life and say "poor me. I'm so victimized." on a daily basis and blame my problems on other people.

OONJ gives me a potential out in the other thread, basically telling me that there are genetic identifiers that could likely have picked up right after I was born that I would have a lot of these issues. You are the type of person who would glom on to this data and use it as an excuse for your behavior and your position in life. I, on the other hand, take full responsibility for my actions.

I'm trying to make life better for myself. I'm trying to live without anger and hatered. I don't hold on to that anger anymore.

A year ago, deep in my alcoholism, I probably would have been very angry at you for all of the terrible stuff you say about me here on a nearly daily basis.

I just feel nothing but pity for you now. Pretty much everybody here sees what is going on.

You have some severe mental and emotional issues, and I feel that you're doing nothing to even attempt ridding yourself of them because you have yet to admit that you even have a problem.

I really do hope the best for you.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 2:55 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND: Your article is bullshit. "Evolution" isn't propelled by only one trait.

Here's how I see it: Females reproduction is, for mammals, the rate-limiting step. Males can scatter their sperm here, there, and elsewhere, but unless those offspring actually reach reproductive age themselves, it's a "legacy" dead end.

Since human babies are helpless for such long periods of time relative to other mammals ... not even able to walk for the first year but needing to be hand-carried fer chrissake, and only primitively self-sufficient MAYBE at the age of ten, it takes far more effort than can be supplied by one human (mom) to raise at least two children up to reproductive age.

Birds share a similar problem (demanding young) and have solved the problem by devoting BOTH parents to raising the young. The male's ongoing contribution to the youngsters is critical to species survival. Similar situation among humans ... it takes ... well, maybe not a village, but a tribe, or at least an extended family, to raise a child.

So from the offspring's side, cooperation is built into the human genome, because without it, we would not have survived as a species. (Please read "The Descent of Woman" https://www.amazon.com/Descent-Woman-Classic-Study-Evolution/dp/028562
7007 which makes this logic abundantly clear)

Now, from the MALE GENE standpoint, he will be the most reproductively successful if he rapes a huge number of women who live in (other) viable societies. HE spreads his genes far and wide, but doesn't have to expend any energy raising the young .... that's left for other men and women to do for him. Which explains why 1 in 200 men are direct descendants of Genghis Khan. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-des
cendants-of-genghis-khan/

But that reproductive success depends on a number of social factors: The presence of many other viable societies which can be (in effect) parasitized, and the definition of "success" as being able to physically dominate women.

When you look at somebody like Stephen Paddock, he's the inverse of the successful reproducer. In fact, the most successful men of today either have no children or very few. It seems to me like the traits that are evolutionarily favored are disconnected from the traits of individual success (desire to stand out, willingness to tolerate risk, ability to find the nexus of social control for personal power). So I still come back to the idea that the problem with people like Paddock is that some controlling function in their brain just went haywire, and allowed dysfunctional behaviors to emerge.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 5:42 PM

Conspiracy about other shooters or operation Gladio B, where do all these conspiracy come from?

misinformation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_Strip_shooting
In the hours after the shooting, false information about the shooter's identity and motive went viral on social media. The fake news was circulated by political fringe websites and Internet forums such as 4chan. The right-wing website The Gateway Pundit misidentified the shooter, naming a different man and describing him as a registered Democrat. The 4chan thread on which this misinformation was based was briefly featured in the "Top Stories" section of a Google search for the man's name.The fake news website YourNewsWire spread false information about a second gunman shooting from the fourth floor of the hotel.[80] Two of Facebook's top trending pages were items from Sputnik, a Russian government news agency that has been described by Foreign Policy magazine and the Center for European Policy Analysis as being a "Russian propaganda" outlet. These included one story that falsely claimed the FBI had linked the shooter to a terrorist group. The stories were later removed with an apology. Stories linking the shooter to Antifa have also been discredited.

Google and Facebook were criticized for prominently displaying such false news stories in some of their search results. The two companies were said to have failed in their responsibility of keeping false stories from reaching the public. Facebook later said its algorithms were designed to detect and remove false stories, but failed to work adequately in this instance.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 6:57 PM

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In a possible sign he was contemplating massacres at other sites, he also booked rooms overlooking the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago in August and the Life Is Beautiful show near the Vegas Strip in late September, according to authorities reconstructing his movements leading up to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Frustrated Police Appeal For Public’s Help in Shooting Case
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2017/10/06/slain-vegas-officer-hartfield-
mourned-shooting-probe-continues/
After five days of scouring the life of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock and chasing 1,000 leads, investigators confessed Friday they still don’t know what drove him to mass murder, and they announced plans to put up billboards appealing for the public’s help.

Investigators have examined Paddock’s politics, his finances, any possible radicalization and his social behavior — typical investigative avenues that have helped uncover the motive in past shootings.

“We still do not have a clear motive or reason why,” Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said. “We have looked at literally everything.”

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Friday, October 6, 2017 7:11 PM

America loves a winner!

“We still do not have a clear motive or reason why,” Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said. “We have looked at literally everything.”

Because when something as so horrible and senseless as this happens, and our ' authorities ' can't give any answer, comedy.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 8:40 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
6 has a point.

What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.

I'm sorry your mom was a witch, but it really is NOTHING compared to the scale of damage that men do every day. Your generation tends to idolize men and not see their faults, because my grandma is just like that.

I've LITERALLY never met a "prince" as you call them. Meditation does NOTHING to acknowledge or stop the problem that is the reason of this thread. You've stopped caring, but I got a daughter I don't want victimized by obliviousness. She knows never to trust a man, she will be much better off.

Meditation is a fine treatment for stress, fear, anger, thus restoring One's objectivity.
I recommend it.

Mom often had good cause to be a witch. Problem was, like half my family, Mom was OCD.
Once the Witch got loose, she couldn't shut it up.

My generation did idolize Men. There was no women's lib back then that got any attention.
MEN were the Leaders, Doers, Heroes, both in Real Life and for sure in the Movies. Don't
think I ever heard of women like Madame Curry until I was full growed.

As for "the scale of damage that men do every day," the majority are doing more good
than harm as a matter of course, but not getting any publicity for it.

If no one takes you seriously, Wishy, it's 'cause you're stuck in a non-objective rant ...
just like my Mom was.

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Friday, October 6, 2017 10:48 PM

Are white males responsible for more mass shootings than any other group?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/a
re-white-males-responsible-more-mass-shootings-an/
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Oonj: As the stats reported in the article are just White Males in the USA,
I wonder how we compare to White Males in Europe & Canada?

Assuming EU & CAN have many white males equally as unstable & dangerous
as those in my homeland(USA), Why don't we hear of their mass shootings? ??

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