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You see, I'm of the mind that there is enough centralized control where they're able to lie about numbers and fudge statistics to make the beer bug come off as much more dangerous than it actually was... money being the motivating factor for most of the people in the equation.

This I'm convinced of.

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You and siggie both. I'll join you in that

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This is a possibility. But I'm not convinced. And I really hope it's not the case. But man... are they pushing hard.

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How hard they push on the everyone must get vaccinated against all logic makes it seriously look like an agenda. The pharmaceutical companies have started supplying vaxes to the third world at cost, and that cancels out the profit motive, because it must cost them money to make these secret deals and pressure everyone, and also logistics of giving out the vaccines.

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(And if I'm willing to even entertain that 2nd paragraph, I also have to be willing to entertain the equal and opposite. It could also be possible that once THEY have decided enough time has passed, they'll just unleash Beerbug 2.0 that will kill off 100% of everyone who refused the vaccination.

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sure, some smallpox variant

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Most importantly though, no matter what happens, it would be downright impossible to ever get the truth for any of it to come out. Even if it did, most people wouldn't believe it anyhow, and the Legacy Media would just tell the remaining people that it was all a conspiracy theory.

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Claiming that anybody who goes to the hospital or the doctor now ends up getting murdered is where I draw the line.

What you're talking about is en-mass evil, down to the individual level, and it would require every medical professional to have knowingly and willingly given up their oath and become mass murderers to happen.

What is the motivation for that? To what benefit would that even be for them?

Money? I'm sure some would do it for money, but a very, very, very small amount of them. There would be new whistleblowers every day.

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Several things
1) Here's the way i think the NWO works.
There are masses of sheeple doing the right thing. and a small elite 2% of SJWs being evil.
2) that leaves millions of SJWs, but inside that community, it's millions of people trying to do the right thing and maybe 50,000 academics manipulating them to do evil
3) inside that community is tens of thousands of academics trying to do the right thing and a few hundred to a few thousand manipulating them into doing evil

For this hierarchy to work, the manipulators think they're fighting a fight for the right thing. One a small handful of guys need to know what the agenda is, and is capable of manipulating people into manipulating people

Now, take how healthcare was restructured with Obamacare

First, the hippocratic oath went out the window. no legal binding. you can hard patients

Second, the doctor shuffle. In the old days of the 20th century, you went to a physician, he worked for a hospital, and he was the guy they had who knew that stuff.

Now you go to a hospital and you see a hospitalist who works for a hospitalist association that is a small LLC owned by an insurance company. These guys are shuffled around every three days. If you're in a hospital, you might see a doctor every day. You could see 100 doctors in one visit if you're there for three months.

Now, the bad apples. The move to merge pharmacies and hospitals, with hospitalist associations. This means a random doc that no one will ever see again comes in and has full access to unlimited drugs.

I've read two stories recently about doctors intentionally mutilating or paralyzing patients to feed a god complex. Genuinely evil people. Also cocaine addicts.

So, I propose this model whereby in the last two years everyone I know who checked into a hospital with three exceptions, died. That's a 90% fatality rate for people who checked in with mostly minor health problem. The one major one was one of the survivors. Anyway, here's what I've worked out about how the evil works:

People go in, they see random doctors whose job it is in part to keep them there so the hospital makes more money so the hospitalist association makes more money so the insurance company makes more money (make no mistake, they make more money the longer you stay, your money, govt money, kickbacks) This extended stay means more chances of meeting Dr. Death.

If you ever get him, it's over, and by the time anyone realizes it, he's gone, and never coming back.

I've met Dr Death on several occasions and this has led me to this theory

Dr. Death has a few characteristics that differentiate him from doctors.

He's completely unreachable on a personal level, by anyone, including his co-workers. I've really asked.
He has some kind of substance abuse, or at least weird habits similar to those that do
He has a very depressing outlook on life, not just the patient's future.
He will actually actively stonewall you against any solution that can save the patient if you or another healthcare worker comes up with it.
He sometimes, though not always, will make careless mistakes that kill people, unplugging machines, ordering the wrong medication or surgery, and then will deny having ever ordered or prescribed anything
He will railroad unusual radical excessive treatment over the protests of everyone else
He will claim absolute authority to the point of outright lying. We ran into this several times, where our suspected Dr. Death would say, when someone tried to go over his head "No, I'm in charge of this dept, i'm the dept head. i'm in charge here" etc when it turned out he didn't even work there, he was a hospitalist.

So all the NWO has to do to create Auschwitz out of this situation is cover for Dr. Death, make sure he gets his drugs, and shuffle him around randomly so that by the time one hospital hates him, they never see him again.

I've spent way too much time in hospitals watching this sort of thing happen. Now of course, not all hospitalists are bad, they're like any other group, most of them are good people trying to do the right thing. And the pay is much higher, like 3x the pay, multiple hospitalists told me this, in the "why are you a hospitalist" and the hospitals generally hated the entire situation, the nurses, and techs complained constantly to us about it

I've been trying to solve this one for years, so I'm pretty sure this model is close to how it works

Everything about the NWO does not stop until it kills or enslaves everyone.

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Well, whatever you have, I hope you get better.

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I understand that African nations are the only places not getting the Vax. Is this true? Are there any other places?

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I've bought into a lot of conspiracy theories in my life.

I refuse to believe that they've figured out a way to make all the doctors or nurses evil and/or duped them into killing patients en-masse without knowing about it.

You sound like a crazy person, DT. And coming from me that is saying a lot.

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I've bought into a lot of conspiracy theories in my life.

I refuse to believe that they've figured out a way to make all the doctors or nurses evil and/or duped them into killing patients en-masse without knowing about it.

You sound like a crazy person, DT. And coming from me that is saying a lot.

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You did not read what I wrote. You're just reiterating your last post, which already misread what I had written

I never said all doctors were evil or killing people. I said the NWO has designed a system where 1% bad apples will do the job for them, and the system moves them around so quickly no one notices, or if they do, they only know to hate that person, but then they never see them again.

you can be quick here or you can be dead. decide soon, because time's up

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The only "side to be on is the side of reality.

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SIX: but you and Kiki don't either.

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SIX: But I'm also not going to run around telling everyone that anybody who goes to the doctor is going to be murdered either.

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SIX: Even though I'd like to have an ally here on the unvaccinated front, I'm calling out crazy talk.

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SIX: Yanno... something that Second and Ted and JO never did when the Roomba was telling people to kill themselves three times a day.

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SIGNYM:
The only "side to be on is the side of reality.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.

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I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.

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Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.

I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.

The only certainty in our shared reality is death and taxes. Everything else is sus.

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Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.

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I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.

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Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?

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Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.

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Probably you think all knowledge on the topic is tainted by now. But there is knowledge that predates Covid-19 that you can acccess. And you can tell that it's true knowledge, not ideology, because -unlike ideology - it works in the real world.

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It was all tainted before Covid. The highly-educated gate keepers write all the books. That shit might as well be magic to the other 99.9% of us. I don't need to read any of their lies and barely-truths.

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Well, I have a much better idea than you do because I've made a point to learn about it. So I know it contains the "instruction set" (mRNA) for the mitochndria to make spike protein, but that there are LOTS of other parts of viruses besides that, and that the mRNA is only a small fraction of the entire viral nucleic acid sequence. Along the way I've learned about "open frame reading" and retroviruses and polymerase chain reaction and a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know before.

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You've read more bullshit than I have. That much is certain.

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My best early source - and one I would refer you to- was Chris Martenson. Yes, he was agitated about the virus, but he also explained in great detail about its sequence, what made THIS virus (down to the couple dozen or so inserted nucleic acids) so very different from its closest family members. The particular insertion makes docking onto human cells much more efficient. BTW they have sequenced a lot of viruses from animal sources trying to find the origin, and they can't. (That's what put the idea in my head that this was engineered.) Neither its sequence, nor the sequence of related viruses, is a secret. That's how people can tell whether there's an overlap with syncytin or not (NOT).

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I can name at least 3 people on this board who would tell you that Chris Martenson is alt-media and not to be trusted. Not saying that I think that, but just reiterating my point about malleable reality above.

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I'm referring to the vaccine.

There is zero benefit from me wasting any time reading about what a bunch of white labcoats have to say about things that can't be seen with the naked eye. Zero.

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I absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt don't need it.

At least we can agree that it's my choice. Thanks for never wavering on that unlike other people here.

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SIX: But I'm also not going to run around telling everyone that anybody who goes to the doctor is going to be murdered either.

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But you DO run around, shouting on the one hand that the virus is "nothing" and at the same time that the vaccine - a fraction of the virus- is a killer.

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The virus IS nothing.

The vaccine COULD be a killer. Or it COULD do something down the road that will make you wish you were dead. Or it COULD be a placebo. Or it COULD be exactly what they tell you it is. Or it COULD be the only thing that will save your life when they release Covid 20 and it kills 100% of the people who didn't get vaccinated.

We're all playing roulette here, and the house always wins.

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Yours is the same logic that says that bitter geopolitical enemies and competing commercial interests are ALL going to suddenly dive headlong into a world-straddling conspiracy to depopulate the globe ... including their own people. It's the same bad logic, just on a bigger scale.

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No it's not. Because I'm not saying the vaccine will kill you like you just claimed that I was. Don't mix up my posts with DT's, thank you very much.

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SIX: Even though I'd like to have an ally here on the unvaccinated front, I'm calling out crazy talk.

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SIX: Yanno... something that Second and Ted and JO never did when the Roomba was telling people to kill themselves three times a day.

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True.
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Theirs is.

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You sometimes like to reduce things to their logical opposites: Either the vaccine works or it doesn't, and in either case I don't need it.

That's not always true. Sometimes, in THIS case, the vaccine works- sort of. Now, in THIS case the vaccine does enough to protect the vaccinated, and not enough to prevent its spread, that it's useful for the target population but not the source population. So, if you catch Covid - especially the delta variant - you will almost certainly not die or even get very sick, but you will develop a robust immune response that will make you immune to this particular variant and prolly a bunch of others.

OTOH, there could be an extremely deadly virus out there, AND a vaccine that prevents its spread, but not necessarily blunts the disease once it develops. In THAT case the only way to protect the vulnerable without shutting the economy down is to mandate vaccination. Change the circumstances and you change the logical outcome.

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I'll be waiting for them if they ever try to come to my house and forcibly vaccinate me.

Ruby Ridge will be a blip on the radar compared to the hell they're going to unleash if they ever attempt to do this.

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So I can agree with you about the SARS-CoV2 vaccines - not because the vaccine is a "killer" or soem sort of slow genocide - but because it's not necessary for a lot of people - but I can imagine other situations.

BTW - there are tens of thousands of gene sequencers "out there" across the world. Any happy camper with a gene sequencer can sequence any or all of the vaccines "out there" and reverse-engineer it. So even if the makers wanted to keep it a secret, they couldn't.

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SIGNYM:
The only "side to be on is the side of reality.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.

SIGNY: I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.

SIX: Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.
I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.
The only certainty in our shared reality is death and taxes. Everything else is sus.

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SIX: I don't subscribe to either of them.

SIGNY: Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.

SIX: I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.

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SIX: I don't know what's in the vaccine,

SIGNY: Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?

SIX: Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.

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SIGNY: Probably you think all knowledge on the topic is tainted by now. But there is knowledge that predates Covid-19 that you can acccess. And you can tell that it's true knowledge, not ideology, because -unlike ideology - it works in the real world.

SIX: It was all tainted before Covid. The highly-educated gate keepers write all the books. That shit might as well be magic to the other 99.9% of us. I don't need to read any of their lies and barely-truths.

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SIX: but you and Kiki don't either.

SIGNY: Well, I have a much better idea than you do because I've made a point to learn about it. So I know it contains the "instruction set" (mRNA) for the mitochndria to make spike protein, but that there are LOTS of other parts of viruses besides that, and that the mRNA is only a small fraction of the entire viral nucleic acid sequence. Along the way I've learned about "open frame reading" and retroviruses and polymerase chain reaction and a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know before.

SIX: You've read more bullshit than I have. That much is certain.

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SIGNY: My best early source - and one I would refer you to- was Chris Martenson. Yes, he was agitated about the virus, but he also explained in great detail about its sequence, what made THIS virus (down to the couple dozen or so inserted nucleic acids) so very different from its closest family members. The particular insertion makes docking onto human cells much more efficient. BTW they have sequenced a lot of viruses from animal sources trying to find the origin, and they can't. (That's what put the idea in my head that this was engineered.) Neither its sequence, nor the sequence of related viruses, is a secret. That's how people can tell whether there's an overlap with syncytin or not (NOT).

SIX: I can name at least 3 people on this board who would tell you that Chris Martenson is alt-media and not to be trusted. Not saying that I think that, but just reiterating my point about malleable reality above.

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SIX: I don't need it.

SIGNY: Knowledge is ALWAYS useful.

SIX: I'm referring to the vaccine.

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SIX: There is zero benefit from me wasting any time reading about what a bunch of white labcoats have to say about things that can't be seen with the naked eye. Zero.

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SIX: I'm not going to get it.

SIGNY: You probably don't need it. That's your prerogative.

SIX: I absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt don't need it.

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SIX: But I'm also not going to run around telling everyone that anybody who goes to the doctor is going to be murdered either.

SIGNY: But you DO run around, shouting on the one hand that the virus is "nothing" and at the same time that the vaccine - a fraction of the virus- is a killer.

SIX: The virus IS nothing.The vaccine COULD be a killer. Or it COULD do something down the road that will make you wish you were dead. Or it COULD be a placebo. Or it COULD be exactly what they tell you it is. Or it COULD be the only thing that will save your life when they release Covid 20 and it kills 100% of the people who didn't get vaccinated. We're all playing roulette here, and the house always wins.

SIGNY: Yours is the same logic that says that bitter geopolitical enemies and competing commercial interests are ALL going to suddenly dive headlong into a world-straddling conspiracy to depopulate the globe ... including their own people. It's the same bad logic, just on a bigger scale.

SIX: No it's not. Because I'm not saying the vaccine will kill you like you just claimed that I was. Don't mix up my posts with DT's, thank you very much.

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SIX: Even though I'd like to have an ally here on the unvaccinated front, I'm calling out crazy talk.

SIGNY: OK.

SIX: Yanno... something that Second and Ted and JO never did when the Roomba was telling people to kill themselves three times a day.

SIGNY: True.
Your moral compass isn't bent.
Theirs is.

SIX: Yup, and yup.

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SIGNY: You sometimes like to reduce things to their logical opposites: Either the vaccine works or it doesn't, and in either case I don't need it.
That's not always true. Sometimes, in THIS case, the vaccine works- sort of. Now, in THIS case the vaccine does enough to protect the vaccinated, and not enough to prevent its spread, that it's useful for the target population but not the source population. So, if you catch Covid - especially the delta variant - you will almost certainly not die or even get very sick, but you will develop a robust immune response that will make you immune to this particular variant and prolly a bunch of others.
OTOH, there could be an extremely deadly virus out there, AND a vaccine that prevents its spread, but not necessarily blunts the disease once it develops. In THAT case the only way to protect the vulnerable without shutting the economy down is to mandate vaccination. Change the circumstances and you change the logical outcome.

SIX: I'll be waiting for them if they ever try to come to my house and forcibly vaccinate me. Ruby Ridge will be a blip on the radar compared to the hell they're going to unleash if they ever attempt to do this.

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SIGNY: So I can agree with you about the SARS-CoV2 vaccines - not because the vaccine is a "killer" or some sort of slow genocide - but because it's not necessary for a lot of people - but I can imagine other situations.
BTW - there are tens of thousands of gene sequencers "out there" across the world. Any happy camper with a gene sequencer can sequence any or all of the vaccines "out there" and reverse-engineer it. So even if the makers wanted to keep it a secret, they couldn't.

SIX: Sounds exactly like when people who owned Apple products used to claim that it was impossible to get a virus on an Apple product.

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BTW- DT: It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that vaccinated people CAN become infected and develop high viral loads ... high enough to shed viruses and infect others.

So you may have gotten infected by someone who was vaccinated.

Just take it easy, and please, please, please call in the troops if you become critically ill. Also, realize that sick people don't think well, so maybe have someone check in on you every day, by phone if nothing else, to assess how you're doing.

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BTW- DT: It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that vaccinated people CAN become infected and develop high viral loads ... high enough to shed viruses and infect others.

So you may have gotten infected by someone who was vaccinated.

Just take it easy, and please, please, please call in the troops if you become critically ill. Also, realize that sick people don't think well, so maybe have someone check in on you every day, by phone if nothing else, to assess how you're doing.

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back to topic, yes, I'm sure that's what happened. The virus turns out not to be a respiratory virus, but rather an infectious endothelial disease. It causes a cough from the inside. This sheds some doubt on the idea that it's an airborne pathogen. This increases the chance that the guy I think as the patient zero is not in fact patient zero here but rather some food was to blame, because we could injest it, then it gets into the blood causes the cough later. I don't have the cough but one of the others does, and it's a very covid cough.

Btw, the fact that the vaccine seems to make you an automatic carrier bears out on everything I've seen from both sides, that makes it a terrible vaccine, except it's not a vaccine, it's a bioweapon, because it was only patentable as a bioweapon, not as a vaccine, so they have to accept its legal definition.

The fact that the narrative calls it a vaccine will put a permanent end to the vaccine industry. I mean, every once in a while, people suggest gas chamber based treatments, as an alternative to infusion labs, and it always auto fails because it has gas chamber in it. This vaccine could be 1000x the holocaust. No vaccine will ever have a chance again. The person who says the word probably just gets shot on sight after this. We're headed to a post-vax society that is going to resemble mad max much more than it resembles what came before.

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BTW- DT: It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that vaccinated people CAN become infected and develop high viral loads ... high enough to shed viruses and infect others.

So you may have gotten infected by someone who was vaccinated.

Just take it easy, and please, please, please call in the troops if you become critically ill. Also, realize that sick people don't think well, so maybe have someone check in on you every day, by phone if nothing else, to assess how you're doing.

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back to topic, yes, I'm sure that's what happened. The virus turns out not to be a respiratory virus, but rather an infectious endothelial disease. It causes a cough from the inside. This sheds some doubt on the idea that it's an airborne pathogen. This increases the chance that the guy I think as the patient zero is not in fact patient zero here but rather some food was to blame, because we could injest it, then it gets into the blood causes the cough later. I don't have the cough but one of the others does, and it's a very covid cough.

Btw, the fact that the vaccine seems to make you an automatic carrier bears out on everything I've seen from both sides, that makes it a terrible vaccine, except it's not a vaccine, it's a bioweapon, because it was only patentable as a bioweapon, not as a vaccine, so they have to accept its legal definition.

The fact that the narrative calls it a vaccine will put a permanent end to the vaccine industry. I mean, every once in a while, people suggest gas chamber based treatments, as an alternative to infusion labs, and it always auto fails because it has gas chamber in it. This vaccine could be 1000x the holocaust. No vaccine will ever have a chance again. The person who says the word probably just gets shot on sight after this. We're headed to a post-vax society that is going to resemble mad max much more than it resembles what came before.

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Did I say AUTOMATIC carrier??

NO I DID NOT.

It makes people about 40% less susceptible to developing high viral load, but obviously far less than 100% effective.

Maybe this is your illness talking.

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SIGNYM:
The only "side to be on is the side of reality.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.

SIGNY: I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.

SIX: Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.
I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.
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But we all live in the same world, the same causes have the same effects. Our situations are certainly different, we are different sexes and ages and health situations and live in different places with different access to resources but, as a matter of survival, we should all appreciate that nature doesn't bend to our opinions.

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Yeah. Sure. "Facts don't care about your feels" and all. I get it.

But my point still stands. We all live in the same reality, yet we all perceive it differently. Some of us far more so than others.

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SIX: I don't subscribe to either of them.

SIGNY: Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.

SIX: I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.

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Have you ever BOTHERED to validate anything that I posted? Of course not! So people who don't bother to validate anything shouldn't be throwing stones about "dubious sources".

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I'll dial that back. I'm not calling Zerohedge "dubious". But there are at least three people here who would.

And I really don't know what your hardon about Memeology101 is anyhow. They're great at showing the hypocrisy of the Legacy Media on a daily basis. They show you articles written 6 months ago compared to what they're saying today all the time. They have a much better memory than the average 2 weeks that most people can remember when it comes to news.

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SIX: I don't know what's in the vaccine,

SIGNY: Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?

SIX: Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.

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I gave up drinking and that saved my life. I know that smoking is likely to kill me if I don't quit. My diet is pretty great these days, but maybe we'll find out some of the healthy stuff I'm eating will kill me too. They still can't make up their mind whether or not milk is good or bad for you.

Long story short, it's great that I was able to learn how to tear enough of my car engine apart to fix it a few years back, but I'm not about to read the engineer's manual to know every single part of the car just in case.

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SIGNY: Probably you think all knowledge on the topic is tainted by now. But there is knowledge that predates Covid-19 that you can acccess. And you can tell that it's true knowledge, not ideology, because -unlike ideology - it works in the real world.

SIX: It was all tainted before Covid. The highly-educated gate keepers write all the books. That shit might as well be magic to the other 99.9% of us. I don't need to read any of their lies and barely-truths.

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It's only like magic if you refuse to figure it out.

Physics is like magic but light switches work, right? Chemistry is like magic, but you use paints and paint strippers, right? Biology is like magic but you use weed sprays and antibiotics (when necessary), right?

That is how you separate real knowledge from bullshit: it works in the real world.

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Psychics and Chemistry have tangible and immediate benefits for your everyday person that didn't major in them. Biology for the most part doesn't.

Also, Biology and Chemistry in tandem have been coopted by Big Pharma and the Medical GOD to figure out how best to treat us but never cure us of anything. It's all about the money to them.

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SIX: but you and Kiki don't either.

SIGNY: Well, I have a much better idea than you do because I've made a point to learn about it. So I know it contains the "instruction set" (mRNA) for the mitochndria to make spike protein, but that there are LOTS of other parts of viruses besides that, and that the mRNA is only a small fraction of the entire viral nucleic acid sequence. Along the way I've learned about "open frame reading" and retroviruses and polymerase chain reaction and a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know before.

SIX: You've read more bullshit than I have. That much is certain.

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You seem to think that bc you didn't have the sitzfleisch (literally, "sitting flesh"- the focus and willingness to do something difficult) to learn in college, that anything that you don't know isn't worth knowing.
That's kind of self-defeating.

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I aced Biology both in high school and in college. I also had the teacher who wrote the book we used in college. The one that everybody hoped they didn't get because she was supposedly a hardass.

It wasn't science that made me drop out of college. It was math.

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SIGNY: My best early source - and one I would refer you to- was Chris Martenson. Yes, he was agitated about the virus, but he also explained in great detail about its sequence, what made THIS virus (down to the couple dozen or so inserted nucleic acids) so very different from its closest family members. The particular insertion makes docking onto human cells much more efficient. BTW they have sequenced a lot of viruses from animal sources trying to find the origin, and they can't. (That's what put the idea in my head that this was engineered.) Neither its sequence, nor the sequence of related viruses, is a secret. That's how people can tell whether there's an overlap with syncytin or not (NOT).

SIX: I can name at least 3 people on this board who would tell you that Chris Martenson is alt-media and not to be trusted. Not saying that I think that, but just reiterating my point about malleable reality above.

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Chris Martenson's big bug is "peak oil". He was wrong about that ... well, seriously mis-timed, anyway ... and he's not-quite a survivalist but definitely advocates leading the kind of life YOU lead, SIX.

So, I take what he posts with a grain of salt. NOBODY is 100% accurate, but he does have an advanced degree in pathology and is good at explaining various studies.

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SIX: I don't need it.

SIGNY: Knowledge is ALWAYS useful.

SIX: I'm referring to the vaccine.

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SIX: There is zero benefit from me wasting any time reading about what a bunch of white labcoats have to say about things that can't be seen with the naked eye. Zero.

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Sure. But I don't need to know anything about electrons to wire things up either. People were wiring up houses and making motors work since the lightbulb was invented without knowing how any of that works.

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Molecules can't be seen with the naked eye, but you use artificial chemicals all of the time, chemicals BTW that were developed by people in white coats.

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Bacteria can't be seen ith the naked eye, but you use antibiotics and THEY were developed by people in white coats.

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No. It's disrespect for the nerds who have it and lord it over other people. I especially disrespect those who just parrot Legacy Media bullshit and know as much about Science as a newborn baby.

I swear to god the next person who has the balls to tell me to "follow the Science" I'm going to punch in the face. Even if it's a woman.

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SIX: I'm not going to get it.

SIGNY: You probably don't need it. That's your prerogative.

SIX: I absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt don't need it.

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SIX: But I'm also not going to run around telling everyone that anybody who goes to the doctor is going to be murdered either.

SIGNY: But you DO run around, shouting on the one hand that the virus is "nothing" and at the same time that the vaccine - a fraction of the virus- is a killer.

SIX: The virus IS nothing.The vaccine COULD be a killer. Or it COULD do something down the road that will make you wish you were dead. Or it COULD be a placebo. Or it COULD be exactly what they tell you it is. Or it COULD be the only thing that will save your life when they release Covid 20 and it kills 100% of the people who didn't get vaccinated. We're all playing roulette here, and the house always wins.

SIGNY: Yours is the same logic that says that bitter geopolitical enemies and competing commercial interests are ALL going to suddenly dive headlong into a world-straddling conspiracy to depopulate the globe ... including their own people. It's the same bad logic, just on a bigger scale.

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No it's not. My mind is open to all possibilities. Even the possibility that the vaccine is completely safe and nobody is trying to fuck anybody over here.

I'm just not willing to bank the rest of my life on that and get a shot. Right now I still have the benefit of choice.

You do not.

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SIX: No it's not. Because I'm not saying the vaccine will kill you like you just claimed that I was. Don't mix up my posts with DT's, thank you very much.

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I hope it works out for her too.

I'm not being snarky when I say this. I have a lot of people I care about who will die and/or be fucked for life if this vaccine ends up bad.

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SIX: Even though I'd like to have an ally here on the unvaccinated front, I'm calling out crazy talk.

SIGNY: OK.

SIX: Yanno... something that Second and Ted and JO never did when the Roomba was telling people to kill themselves three times a day.

SIGNY: True.
Your moral compass isn't bent.
Theirs is.

SIX: Yup, and yup.

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SIGNY: You sometimes like to reduce things to their logical opposites: Either the vaccine works or it doesn't, and in either case I don't need it.
That's not always true. Sometimes, in THIS case, the vaccine works- sort of. Now, in THIS case the vaccine does enough to protect the vaccinated, and not enough to prevent its spread, that it's useful for the target population but not the source population. So, if you catch Covid - especially the delta variant - you will almost certainly not die or even get very sick, but you will develop a robust immune response that will make you immune to this particular variant and prolly a bunch of others.
OTOH, there could be an extremely deadly virus out there, AND a vaccine that prevents its spread, but not necessarily blunts the disease once it develops. In THAT case the only way to protect the vulnerable without shutting the economy down is to mandate vaccination. Change the circumstances and you change the logical outcome.

SIX: I'll be waiting for them if they ever try to come to my house and forcibly vaccinate me. Ruby Ridge will be a blip on the radar compared to the hell they're going to unleash if they ever attempt to do this.

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Are you saying that I'm wrong?

Let's put aside me and the mostly-white survivalist/militia types with a full on arsenal at their disposal...

What do you think is going to happen to anybody who marches into Inglewood and starts trying to forcibly give the brothers shots?

My guess would be a whole new round of "Peaceful Protests".

They'll be so peaceful that they'll make 2020 look like war.

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SIGNY: So I can agree with you about the SARS-CoV2 vaccines - not because the vaccine is a "killer" or some sort of slow genocide - but because it's not necessary for a lot of people - but I can imagine other situations.
BTW - there are tens of thousands of gene sequencers "out there" across the world. Any happy camper with a gene sequencer can sequence any or all of the vaccines "out there" and reverse-engineer it. So even if the makers wanted to keep it a secret, they couldn't.

SIX: Sounds exactly like when people who owned Apple products used to claim that it was impossible to get a virus on an Apple product.

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Everything can be hacked. I told my Apple fanboy brother that for years when he was always telling me about how great Apple told him his Apple products were, and how superior they were to the much less expensive PCs I built for myself.

My point was that everybody thinks that they know a lot more about tech than they do.

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SIX: The shit they've got is 20 years more advanced than any DIY-think-they've-got-it-all-figured-out-wanna-be-white-lab-coat dork has in their basement.
They can't verify or disprove shit.

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Institutions ... national governments, research labs, and competing pharmas ... institutions with a VESTED INTEREST in knowing the results... aren't the white-coated basement dorks that you imagine. They might be doing some butt-covering of their own, but not about to give a competitor a "pass".

There are three dissimilar types of vaccines "out there".

The Chinese vaccine uses a deactivated "whole virus".

There are two viral-vectored vaccines; Sputnik V and AstraZenica. I think the problem with the AstraZenica vaccine is not the SARS-Cov2 portion but the fact that they used a non-human adenovirus, and ppl are reacting to the vector, not the actual vaccine portion.

And then there are three mRNA vaccines which, AFAIK, are much more limited in action than the previous three. As far as I can tell, the mRNA vaccines are EXTREMELY narrow-focused. Just FYI.

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OK. But you can't unpost your bitterness about me choosing to have our daughter vaccinated because it "might" make her sterile. (In any case, since she can't take care of herself much less a child, I would be a lot more worried about her getting pregnant than not.)

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Psychics and Chemistry have tangible and immediate benefits for your everyday person that didn't major in them. Biology for the most part doesn't.

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SIGNYM: The only "side to be on is the side of reality.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.

SIGNY: I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.

SIX: Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.
I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.
The only certainty in our shared reality is death and taxes. Everything else is sus.

SIGNY: But we all live in the same world, the same causes have the same effects. Our situations are certainly different, we are different sexes and ages and health situations and live in different places with different access to resources but, as a matter of survival, we should all appreciate that nature doesn't bend to our opinions.

SIX: Yeah. Sure. "Facts don't care about your feels" and all. I get it. But my point still stands. We all live in the same reality, yet we all perceive it differently. Some of us far more so than others.

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SIX: I don't subscribe to either of them.

SIGNY: Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.

SIX: I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.

SIGNY: Have you ever BOTHERED to validate anything that I posted? Of course not! So people who don't bother to validate anything shouldn't be throwing stones about "dubious sources".

SIX: I'll dial that back. I'm not calling Zerohedge "dubious". But there are at least three people here who would.

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SIX: And I really don't know what your hardon about Memeology101 is anyhow. They're great at showing the hypocrisy of the Legacy Media on a daily basis. They show you articles written 6 months ago compared to what they're saying today all the time. They have a much better memory than the average 2 weeks that most people can remember when it comes to news.

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SIX: I don't know what's in the vaccine,

SIGNY: Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?

SIX: Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.

SIGNY: Well, maybe knowing something about biology would help you manage your health better, hmmm....???

SIX: Not really...
I gave up drinking and that saved my life. I know that smoking is likely to kill me if I don't quit. My diet is pretty great these days, but maybe we'll find out some of the healthy stuff I'm eating will kill me too. They still can't make up their mind whether or not milk is good or bad for you.
Long story short, it's great that I was able to learn how to tear enough of my car engine apart to fix it a few years back, but I'm not about to read the engineer's manual to know every single part of the car just in case.

SIGNY: Probably you think all knowledge on the topic is tainted by now. But there is knowledge that predates Covid-19 that you can acccess. And you can tell that it's true knowledge, not ideology, because -unlike ideology - it works in the real world.

SIX: It was all tainted before Covid. The highly-educated gate keepers write all the books. That shit might as well be magic to the other 99.9% of us. I don't need to read any of their lies and barely-truths.

SIGNY: It's only like magic if you refuse to figure it out.
Physics is like magic but light switches work, right? Chemistry is like magic, but you use paints and paint strippers, right? Biology is like magic but you use weed sprays and antibiotics (when necessary), right?
That is how you separate real knowledge from bullshit: it works in the real world.

SIX: Psychics and Chemistry have tangible and immediate benefits for your everyday person that didn't major in them. Biology for the most part doesn't.

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SIX: Also, Biology and Chemistry in tandem have been coopted by Big Pharma and the Medical GOD to figure out how best to treat us but never cure us of anything. It's all about the money to them.

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SIX: but you and Kiki don't either.

SIGNY: Well, I have a much better idea than you do because I've made a point to learn about it. So I know it contains the "instruction set" (mRNA) for the mitochndria to make spike protein, but that there are LOTS of other parts of viruses besides that, and that the mRNA is only a small fraction of the entire viral nucleic acid sequence. Along the way I've learned about "open frame reading" and retroviruses and polymerase chain reaction and a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know before.

SIX: You've read more bullshit than I have. That much is certain.

SIGNY: You seem to think that bc you didn't have the sitzfleisch (literally, "sitting flesh"- the focus and willingness to do something difficult) to learn in college, that anything that you don't know isn't worth knowing.
That's kind of self-defeating.

SIX: I aced Biology both in high school and in college. I also had the teacher who wrote the book we used in college. The one that everybody hoped they didn't get because she was supposedly a hardass.
It wasn't science that made me drop out of college. It was math.

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SIGNY: My best early source - and one I would refer you to- was Chris Martenson. Yes, he was agitated about the virus, but he also explained in great detail about its sequence, what made THIS virus (down to the couple dozen or so inserted nucleic acids) so very different from its closest family members. The particular insertion makes docking onto human cells much more efficient. BTW they have sequenced a lot of viruses from animal sources trying to find the origin, and they can't. (That's what put the idea in my head that this was engineered.) Neither its sequence, nor the sequence of related viruses, is a secret. That's how people can tell whether there's an overlap with syncytin or not (NOT).

SIX: I can name at least 3 people on this board who would tell you that Chris Martenson is alt-media and not to be trusted. Not saying that I think that, but just reiterating my point about malleable reality above.

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SIGNY: Chris Martenson's big bug is "peak oil". He was wrong about that ... well, seriously mis-timed, anyway ... and he's not-quite a survivalist but definitely advocates leading the kind of life YOU lead, SIX.
So, I take what he posts with a grain of salt. NOBODY is 100% accurate, but he does have an advanced degree in pathology and is good at explaining various studies.

SIX: Sounds like a cool guy. I wasn't slighting him. Just pointing out that while you're claiming I get my facts from alt-right wack jobs, a lot of your sources are called that all the time. I still don't even know which sources of mine I've ever posted here that you have a problem with, TBH.

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SIX: I don't need it.

SIGNY: Knowledge is ALWAYS useful.

SIX: I'm referring to the vaccine.

SIGNY: Oh, OK.

SIX:

There is zero benefit from me wasting any time reading about what a bunch of white labcoats have to say about things that can't be seen with the naked eye. Zero.

SIGNY: Again, electrons can't be seen with the naked eye, but you've prolly learned something about wiring, no? The study of electricity was a white-coated effort at one time.

SIX: Sure. But I don't need to know anything about electrons to wire things up either. People were wiring up houses and making motors work since the lightbulb was invented without knowing how any of that works.
[As long as I practice safety first and know how not to electrocute myself or burn the house down, I'm good.

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SIGNY: Molecules can't be seen with the naked eye, but you use artificial chemicals all of the time, chemicals BTW that were developed by people in white coats.

SIX: Okay. So what? A lot of those ended up killing a lot of people. Half the stuff that people used to use every day isn't even available to purchase anymore.

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SIGNY: Bacteria can't be seen with the naked eye, but you use antibiotics and THEY were developed by people in white coats. I think this is just another one of your stumbling blocks: disrespect for advanced knowledge.

SIX: No. It's disrespect for the nerds who have it and lord it over other people. I especially disrespect those who just parrot Legacy Media bullshit and know as much about Science as a newborn baby.
I swear to god the next person who has the balls to tell me to "follow the Science" I'm going to punch in the face. Even if it's a woman.

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SIX: I'm not going to get it.

SIGNY: You probably don't need it. That's your prerogative.

SIX: I absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt don't need it.

SIGNY: Well, you would only know that you did if you got Covid-19 and died. Not possible to prove either way until then.

SIX: Yup. See my thoughts on Reality above. Death is the only way we ultimately know anything.

SIX: At least we can agree that it's my choice. Thanks for never wavering on that unlike other people here.


SIGNY: OKIE DOKIE!


SIX: But I'm also not going to run around telling everyone that anybody who goes to the doctor is going to be murdered either.

SIGNY: But you DO run around, shouting on the one hand that the virus is "nothing" and at the same time that the vaccine - a fraction of the virus- is a killer.

SIX: The virus IS nothing.The vaccine COULD be a killer. Or it COULD do something down the road that will make you wish you were dead. Or it COULD be a placebo. Or it COULD be exactly what they tell you it is. Or it COULD be the only thing that will save your life when they release Covid 20 and it kills 100% of the people who didn't get vaccinated. We're all playing roulette here, and the house always wins.

SIGNY: Yours is the same logic that says that bitter geopolitical enemies and competing commercial interests are ALL going to suddenly dive headlong into a world-straddling conspiracy to depopulate the globe ... including their own people. It's the same bad logic, just on a bigger scale.

SIX: No it's not. My mind is open to all possibilities. Even the possibility that the vaccine is completely safe and nobody is trying to fuck anybody over here.
I'm just not willing to bank the rest of my life on that and get a shot. Right now I still have the benefit of choice.
You do not.
I hope it works out for you.

SIX: No it's not. Because I'm not saying the vaccine will kill you like you just claimed that I was. Don't mix up my posts with DT's, thank you very much.

SIGNY: OK. But you can't unpost your bitterness about me choosing to have our daughter vaccinated because it "might" make her sterile. (In any case, since she can't take care of herself much less a child, I would be a lot more worried about her getting pregnant than not.)

SIX: I can't, and I won't.
I hope it works out for her too.
I'm not being snarky when I say this. I have a lot of people I care about who will die and/or be fucked for life if this vaccine ends up bad.

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SIX: Even though I'd like to have an ally here on the unvaccinated front, I'm calling out crazy talk.

SIGNY: OK.

SIX: Yanno... something that Second and Ted and JO never did when the Roomba was telling people to kill themselves three times a day.

SIGNY: True.
Your moral compass isn't bent.
Theirs is.

SIX: Yup, and yup.

SIGNY: Indeed

SIX: Okay. I'm not going to keep blowing myself on this one.


SIGNY: You sometimes like to reduce things to their logical opposites: Either the vaccine works or it doesn't, and in either case I don't need it.
That's not always true. Sometimes, in THIS case, the vaccine works- sort of. Now, in THIS case the vaccine does enough to protect the vaccinated, and not enough to prevent its spread, that it's useful for the target population but not the source population. So, if you catch Covid - especially the delta variant - you will almost certainly not die or even get very sick, but you will develop a robust immune response that will make you immune to this particular variant and prolly a bunch of others.
OTOH, there could be an extremely deadly virus out there, AND a vaccine that prevents its spread, but not necessarily blunts the disease once it develops. In THAT case the only way to protect the vulnerable without shutting the economy down is to mandate vaccination. Change the circumstances and you change the logical outcome.

SIX: I'll be waiting for them if they ever try to come to my house and forcibly vaccinate me. Ruby Ridge will be a blip on the radar compared to the hell they're going to unleash if they ever attempt to do this.

SIGNY: Whatever.

SIX: Are you saying that I'm wrong?
Let's put aside me and the mostly-white survivalist/militia types with a full on arsenal at their disposal...
What do you think is going to happen to anybody who marches into Inglewood and starts trying to forcibly give the brothers shots?
My guess would be a whole new round of "Peaceful Protests".
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SIGNY: So I can agree with you about the SARS-CoV2 vaccines - not because the vaccine is a "killer" or some sort of slow genocide - but because it's not necessary for a lot of people - but I can imagine other situations.
BTW - there are tens of thousands of gene sequencers "out there" across the world. Any happy camper with a gene sequencer can sequence any or all of the vaccines "out there" and reverse-engineer it. So even if the makers wanted to keep it a secret, they couldn't.

SIX: Sounds exactly like when people who owned Apple products used to claim that it was impossible to get a virus on an Apple product.

SIGNY: Even Linux can be hacked. In fact, the more and more they make it look like Windows, the less functional it becomes.

SIX: Everything can be hacked. I told my Apple fanboy brother that for years when he was always telling me about how great Apple told him his Apple products were, and how superior they were to the much less expensive PCs I built for myself.
My point was that everybody thinks that they know a lot more about tech than they do.

SIX: The shit they've got is 20 years more advanced than any DIY-think-they've-got-it-all-figured-out-wanna-be-white-lab-coat dork has in their basement.
They can't verify or disprove shit.


SIGNY: Institutions ... national governments, research labs, and competing pharmas ... institutions with a VESTED INTEREST in knowing the results... aren't the white-coated basement dorks that you imagine. They might be doing some butt-covering of their own, but not about to give a competitor a "pass".
There are three dissimilar types of vaccines "out there".

The Chinese vaccine uses a deactivated "whole virus".

There are two viral-vectored vaccines; Sputnik V and AstraZenica. I think the problem with the AstraZenica vaccine is not the SARS-Cov2 portion but the fact that they used a non-human adenovirus, and ppl are reacting to the vector, not the actual vaccine portion.

And then there are three mRNA vaccines which, AFAIK, are much more limited in action than the previous three. As far as I can tell, the mRNA vaccines are EXTREMELY narrow-focused. Just FYI.

Well, we understand each other but have reached a stalemate.

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Please take your war on Six to a different thread. This one is about my personal health and I'm very sick. I'm looking for suggestions, not flame wars. Thanks

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I'm going to attempt to go out to a grocery store or a dollar general at least. It'll wear me out, but I need coffee.

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Which is why finding the best logical cure for the bioweapon. If you failed the perception check that it was a bioweapon, at this point, you were either stupid, or intentionally ignoring evidence, which are basically the same thing.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How does one join this fight?

Because the way I see it, if everything you say is true the fight isn't going to even happen until after the mega-catastrophic event goes down and there's really nothing you can do about it until then.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're on a train to Crazyville brother.

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No, I'm not. I'm living the nightmare, watched this all happen close up for years. The manipulators do an expert shuffle of the reapers. The people in the hospital almost never realize there's a reaper conspiracy, and if they do, they're fired. I've watched people get fired for this. Most of the time, when the workers catch on to the reapers, they think they've found the one reaper, report him and he disappears to some other hospital. But they keep all the healthcare workers so incredibly busy that they're always worried about what they have to do in the next fifteen seconds, for 15 hours a day, and so they never have time to deal with the shuffling around of staff. Most people are not conspiracy theorists so it never occurs to them that the staff shuffle is enabling serial killers

I have spent a decent portion of the last decade I was (largely) no here for, dealing with this. So no, it's not a whacked out theory I'm about to cave because I don't get it. I spent years in hospitals seeing this in action. I very much am very sure that I do get it, even if 99% of the world doesn't get it. And some people in the machine get it, and then they get kicked out the door as soon at their report of it reaches the top level. Oh know, Dr. Johnson is cRaZy, just like you're saying now about me. It sounds crazy. And it is crazy. But it's not a crazy delusion. It's a crazy reality.


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While I generally agree, I've noticed it's not necessarily so. I've seen a lot of survival cults doing very well at the moment because they live in delusional fantasy land and consume no mainstream media, and so are not injecting themselves with a bioweapon, or sacrificing their children to hitler, or engaging in suisociety in any way. Delusional fantasy cult survives this apocalypse, as do its children. It's more important to be a survivor than based in reality, because evolution will favor the survivors, no matter what they believe.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

When the Libtards were ballyhooing all of te Affirmative Action hiring, and entry/admission of the less qualified to med school, because their mommy had too many kids and got divorced, instead of admitting the most qualified candidates, I knew it was not good.
But I don't recall those nightmares including this level of depravity, granting GOD Complex to the least qualified intellects.

But we might remember that this is, specifically NY, so this all might not apply to the real world. NY was one of the original CON States for "medicine"

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second must have gotten the Unibomber bug from his Legacy Media Masters today, huh?

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Ted Kaczynski is a brilliant man, driven insane by being an MKULTRA sleeper agent.

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Nevertheless, he said he was "quite confident that my experiences with Professor Murray had no significant effect on the course of my life".

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SECOND: You should really start quoting from the Unabomber Manifesto. Two paragraphs:

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229. The leftist is oriented toward large-scale collectivism. He emphasizes the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. He has a negative attitude toward individualism. He often takes a moralistic tone. He tends to be for gun control, for sex education and other psychologically "enlightened" educational methods, for social planning, for affirmative action, for multiculturalism. He tends to identify with victims. He tends to be against competition and against violence, but he often finds excuses for those leftists who do commit violence. He is fond of using the common catch-phrases of the left, like "racism," "sexism," "homophobia," "capitalism," "imperialism," "neocolonialism," "genocide," "social change," "social justice," "social responsibility." Maybe the best diagnostic trait of the leftist is his tendency to sympathize with the following movements: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights, political correctness. Anyone who strongly sympathizes with ALL of these movements is almost certainly a leftist. [36]

230. The more dangerous leftists, that is, those who are most power-hungry, are often characterized by arrogance or by a dogmatic approach to ideology. However, the most dangerous leftists of all may be certain oversocialized types who avoid irritating displays of aggressiveness and refrain from advertising their leftism, but work quietly and unobtrusively to promote collectivist values, "enlightened" psychological techniques for socializing children, dependence of the individual on the system, and so forth. These crypto-leftists (as we may call them) approximate certain bourgeois types as far as practical action is concerned, but differ from them in psychology, ideology and motivation. The ordinary bourgeois tries to bring people under control of the system in order to protect his way of life, or he does so simply because his attitudes are conventional. The crypto-leftist tries to bring people under control of the system because he is a True Believer in a collectivistic ideology. The crypto-leftist is differentiated from the average leftist of the oversocialized type by the fact that his rebellious impulse is weaker and he is more securely socialized. He is differentiated from the ordinary well-socialized bourgeois by the fact that there is some deep lack within him that makes it necessary for him to devote himself to a cause and immerse himself in a collectivity. And maybe his (well-sublimated) drive for power is stronger than that of the average bourgeois.

More about "Industrial Society and Its Future" by Theodore Kaczynski (1995) at
https://www.josharcher.uk/tags/unabomber-manifesto-pdf/

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The evidence for the virus being weaponized is the ACE-2 receptor.

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That's one part. There is also the fact that every part of this genome was previously patented, that each part might trigger an auto-immune condition, for instance the syncytin attack. And that the patent was rejected as a vaccine for not being a vaccine and so was re patented as a bioweapon.

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How does one join this fight?

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Letting people know the truth, finding out what the truth is and sharing it. Down the road we're going to need to find a cure for these zombies who will be staggering to their deaths for the next 5-10 years.

Amazon is definitely the beast.

a one hour drive to sam's club to pay $2 instead of $5 for a monthly purchase of a cannister of coffee is a pretty seriously false economy. at $20/hour opportunity cost, that's $40 already, then there's gas, 4 gallons is another $10, so I'm down $30, I'd need 10 cannisters to make up the difference. I'm way too sick for that drive right now anyway

But I'm liking wall of prepper food before they start vaxing your food

For me it's probably moot point, I already have the virus. But yeah, don't get this stupid thing. Everyone will probably get it anyway. But it's the principle of the thing. Who knows how many updated bioweapons they have in store for us. 7 probably, because they're a doomsday cult of religious nutters.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Wow, that's fucking prophetic. Brilliant, even!

I listen pretty carefully to crazy people. They can sometimes see what the rest of us have been conditioned not to.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow. You really are a special child, Second.

You learn all the wrong lessons from everything.

It's little wonder you have no friends.

Don't go making any bombs today now.

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