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Originally posted by 1kiki:

SECOND - WHO'S PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW?

SHOULDN'T YOU BE COMPLAINING THAT OBAMA IS FAILING TO CREATE MORE OF THE MINIMUM-WAGE JOBS HE CREATED IN THE PAST?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And frankly, you seem off-kilter. If you were to be taken to a hospital and they did an emergency mental status exam - and asked you 'who's president of the US?' - would you be able to answer it accurately?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

SECOND - WHO'S PRESIDENT

RIGHT NOW?

SHOULDN'T YOU BE COMPLAINING THAT OBAMA IS FAILING TO CREATE MORE OF THE MINIMUM-WAGE JOBS HE CREATED IN THE PAST?

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Originally posted by SECOND:
So it is unsurprising that Obama never started promising to create jobs.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Given that Obama didn't make just one 'jobs' promise, he made many, when it comes to this broken minimum-wage job opportunity -

SECOND - WHO'S PRESIDENT
RIGHT NOW?

SHOULDN'T YOU BE COMPLAINING THAT OBAMA IS FAILING TO CREATE MORE OF THE MINIMUM-WAGE JOBS HE CREATED IN THE PAST?

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Around 75,000 workers lose their jobs every working day! For Sept 2016: 1,474,000 lost a job that month. And they find another job without Obama going on TV to brag and take all the credit ... blah blah blah

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

If you don't believe what you're posting, then you're lying.

And if you DO believe what you're posting - then honey, you don't even have one little toe dipped in reality.

Yanno, you may think hocus-pocus works - maybe it even works on you, maybe you are that genuinely clueless . . .

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Obama bringing back employment

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Trends in low wage America: 1.4 million waiter/bartender jobs gained while 1.4 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2007. Top 4 employment sectors pay $10 an hour or less.

Meanwhile, 3.5% of the entire workforce was permanently eliminated as workers.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"1kiki, what is happening to manufacturing jobs has happened before to farm jobs."

Cites?

Because I come from the rust belt. Entire steel mills were closed because the owners DIDN'T want to upgrade and make them more efficient. They preferred to close them down, take the money and run. In my city, steel mill employment went down from 90,000 to zero in 25 years, with all 3 mills closed.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_Steel

The steel industry in the U.S. prospered during and after World War II, while the steel industries in Germany and Japan lay devastated by Allied bombardment. Bethlehem Steel's high point came in the 1950s, as the company began manufacturing some 23 million tons per year. ... The U.S. advantage lasted about two decades, during which the U.S. steel industry operated with little foreign competition. But eventually, the foreign firms were rebuilt with modern techniques such as continuous casting, while profitable U.S. companies resisted modernization. Bethlehem experimented with continuous casting but never fully adopted the practice.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"what is happening to manufacturing jobs has happened before to farm jobs"

Your claim was that decreased farm employment IN THE US was due to increased efficiency IN THE US.

You need a cite to show that decreased iron and steel employment IN THE US is due to increased efficiency IN THE US.

Until you do that, I'll consider your argument to be totally without merit. (Which it is anyway because historical facts don't support it. But you should go through the exercise of trying to find supporting data for your POV, just so you can discover HOW wrong it is.)

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Because the steel industry might prove your point, you think you've proved your point for all industries?

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Hee hee - you know ole kikstarter mimed a mic drop after typing those sentences, pleased as punch with herself

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Hmmm ... Samsung. Hitachi. Sony. Foxconn. What do YOU think? Do they sound like US manufacturers?

Steel, auto, textile, chips and electronics have left for Asia. But what the hell. All those manufacturing jobs that disappeared are trivial. Right?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Steel, auto, textile, chips and electronics have left for Asia. But what the hell. All those manufacturing jobs that disappeared are trivial. Right?

Anyway, I have really, truly zero interest in educating you. Anyone who knows even a little bit of history knows these are the facts.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

The only one who's taken up the fight is Bernie.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

None of this is to recommend particular policies, nor to say America would have been better off in the absence of import penetration. Hopefully, however, it is clear that a significant chunk of the manufacturing jobs lost in the past few years can be attributed to foreign competition rather than “inevitable” technological change."

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if I was Bernie, I’d want to know why people elected Trump and his party to thousands of local, state and national offices because the GOP wants you dead

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And then, they lost their last remaining bulwark when the 'democratic' party was stupid enough to shoehorn Hillary in.

My question is, why aren't you supporting Bernie, since at the moment he's the ONLY POLITICIAN standing between you and Trump?

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If Americans gave a damn about other Americans, they wouldn’t act as they do.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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If Americans gave a damn about other Americans, they wouldn’t act as they do.

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Spend some of that fabulous wealth you have (ahem!) and move to California. Then you could stop generalizing about 'Americans' as if it's the only story, instead of being mired in your ass-fuck view from Texas (ahem!).

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Originally posted by second:
Bernie is McGovern.

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At the time of his announcement (1971), McGovern ranked fifth among Democrats in a presidential preference Gallup Poll.[
Most polls showed McGovern running well behind incumbent President Richard Nixon, except when McGovern was paired with Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy. McGovern and his campaign brain trust lobbied Senator Kennedy heavily to accept the bid to be McGovern's running mate, but he continually refused their advances ...
Just over two weeks after his nomination, it was revealed that McGovern's running mate, Thomas Eagleton, had received electroshock therapy for clinical depression during the 1960s. Eagleton had made no mention of his earlier hospitalizations to McGovern or McGovern's staff, and in fact decided with his wife to keep them secret from McGovern while he was flying to his first meeting with the Presidential nominee.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

It looks more like Hillary was McGovern - down in the polls with strong negatives.

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It’s largely forgotten now, but one of the signature moments of the 2016 campaign happened way back in March at a debate in Miami during the height of Bernie Sanders’s insurgent presidential campaign. Moderator Karen Tumulty asked Hillary Clinton a tough question. Not about her health care plans or her foreign policy — it was personal.

Tumulty brought up a poll showing that most Americans say Clinton is not trustworthy and asked, “Is there anything in your own actions and the decisions that you yourself have made that would foster this kind of mistrust?”

Clinton hemmed and hawed a little and then got right down to it.

“I am not a natural politician like my husband or President Obama,” she said. “So I have a view that I just have to do the best I can, get the results I can, make a difference in people's lives, and hope that people see that I'm fighting for them.”

In some respects, Clinton sold herself short here. It takes a certain kind of political genius to get yourself elected to a US Senate seat in a state where you’ve never lived. And it took real political skills to essentially clear the 2016 field of any rivals who’d be acceptable to the leadership of the Democratic Party. But down in the trenches with Sanders — and later in the trenches with Donald Trump, and eight years earlier in her run against Barack Obama — Clinton did show that she is genuinely not a very impressive performer on the stump. Her speeches aren’t inspiring like Obama’s or eerily intimate like Bill’s.

If Democrats wanted to pick a nominee who would give better speeches, they could have. More broadly, if Democrats wanted to pick a nominee whose biography and skills were maximized to winning the 2016 election, they could have.

The cliché is that you campaign in poetry — and Clinton is, frankly, a lousy poet.

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Tumulty brought up a poll showing that most Americans say Clinton is not trustworthy and asked, “Is there anything in your own actions and the decisions that you yourself have made that would foster this kind of mistrust?”

Clinton hemmed and hawed a little and then got right down to it.

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It takes a certain kind of political genius to get yourself elected to a US Senate seat in a state where you’ve never lived.

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And it took real political skills to essentially clear the 2016 field of any rivals who’d be acceptable to the leadership of the Democratic Party.

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The cliché is that you campaign in poetry — and Clinton is, frankly, a lousy poet.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Are Californians buying Chinese goods than returning them to the store and complaining to the owner that he does not carry American goods?

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/
Californians are walking the talk on jobs, infrastructure, education, and environment. I'm sorry that you're so bitter about human nature, due to your extensive time in ass-fuck TexASS.

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You failed to understand the big picture, 1kiki. If Trump voters want American factory jobs back from China, they better not wait on Trump. Trump voters better complain at stores to the owner about the Chinese goods on the shelf.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

It's not that I don't see the BIG picture - but that your thinking is far too small. You seem to think that the 'problem' is driven at the consumer end. But not only are consumers not the only source of economic demand, consumer goods manufacture aren't the only jobs of value. . . .

The end result is that sending mfg out of the country isn't about about them making ANY profit, it's about them making MORE profit.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Shocking New Poll Shows That A Vast Majority Of Trump Voters Live In Another Reality

We've reached a dangerous point in our politics where people are divided not just by different political ideologies, but also by their belief in reality.

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