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It is when his "moral agenda" creates places like Haiti.

Which is to say, not a moral agenda. And for someone calling ME self-righteous, he has some damn hypocrisy on his chin.

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Haiti was poorer before Paul Krugman was born than now. I am certain making teeshirts in Haiti for export is not the cause of Haiti's poverty.

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Yes, of course it's complicated. Yes, of course short run it's not good. But even Paul Kruger doesn't think the fall of the Euro is the end of the world, and the only reason someone like him is upset about it is because he's financially and philosophically invested in it.

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And high import tariffs on Haitian goods does Haitian poverty no good.

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The Euro is essentially Free Trade, two. Whatever technical points he had about how to set up the Euro system doesn't mean he didn't support the basic idea. And he sure isn't happy about it going to fail.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Who said compromise is the best option?

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No one. But several folks here have been complaining that Republicans won't compromise, and I wanted to see if ther Liberals here would do any better at it.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Just let me throw out a few specifics, but I prolly won't be around much to talk about them:

Cut military spending. We can start by eliminating all of our bases from allied and friendly nations (are we occupying Germany and Japan?) w/drawing from Afghanistan, and Iraq, ending military support towards Israel, eliminate all "supplemental" funds. If other nations want or need our "help", let them ask.

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Change the corporate tax code. Eliminate all deductions (interest payments, ordinary expenses, depreciations etc) except payroll and payroll taxes, and charge a lower rate which is no lower than the lowest personal income tax rate.

Create a transaction tax, which will slow down speculative trading.

Create a national bank; get rid of The Fed as a quasi-government bank.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
For example, every $1 in education reduces crime-related spending by $6.

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Several studies, giving criminal savings in the same ballpark. Here's one:

web.mit.edu/workplacecenter/docs/Full%20Report.pdf

Other studies show general economic benefit:

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2011/nichd-04.htm

the benefit of health education on healthcare spending:

http://www.nchealthyschools.org/components/healtheducation

and the economic benefit of higher education.

http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/highered05/

Overall, spending on education seems to have a high return.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Kiki, these are all sales pitches for more money for school and pre-school by groups and organizations that have a vested interest in getting more money. It's hard to consider any of them as objective analyses.

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web.mit.edu/workplacecenter/docs/Full%20Report.pdf

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http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2011/nichd-04.htm

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Let's just set up charities to help the Israeli Defense Force in its goal of bulldozing every house in Gaza.

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Arguments should be refuted on their own merits. Dismissing cites that you asked for categorically because you don't like their authorship is.... lazy and intellectually disingenuous.

Rather, you should read those citations, and point out what methodological flaws and weaknesses exist in those studies that betray the underlying bias you believe makes these studies invalid.

Otherwise, your argument is like my saying: "I won't listen to a thing you say, cause you're Geezer."

It's childish.

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