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POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Friday, July 8, 2011 14:09
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Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:31 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THT

I truly appreciate your effort to answer, even tho the net ate it. It has happened to me a frustrating number of times as well. No hurry, 'it depends' indicates to me weights of 'value', which is what I was curious about.

ETA: AH! you were able to AND willing to retrieve it. THANKS.

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Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

fff.net (the old site, at least) has been eating a frightening number of responses lately, at least for me.

It's gotten to a point where I'm starting to copy my longer responses before I hit "Post My Response" on 'em, just in case they vanish.

They either act like they posted and then aren't there (and I check and reload several times to be sure before reposting), or I get a 505 Error telling me it can't load the page.

Looks like Happy was able to backtrack and find his post, but I'm off to bed now, so will have to catch up later.

A quick perusal finds us pretty much in agreement on the death penalty, at least.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 11:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I switched over to the beta versiou specifically BECAUSE I was experiencing so many glitches and losing so many posts. Much better now.

By the way, if anyone's interested, the death penalty isn't "fiscally responsible", either. It costs more to go through the entire death-penalty process, with appeals, etc., than it does to keep someone in prison for life. So, just on an economic front...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:05 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

By the way, if anyone's interested, the death penalty isn't "fiscally responsible", either. It costs more to go through the entire death-penalty process, with appeals, etc., than it does to keep someone in prison for life. So, just on an economic front...

Yes indeed. But you now what the conservative argument for that is? "Stop with all the appeals, and just hurry up and execute 'em already!"

Seriously. In the face of the fact that we have 100% provably executed innocent people for crimes they absolutely did not commit, the rationale is that we should REMOVE all the checks that are supposed to keep that from happening.

So I'm waiting to hear how much "value" a human life REALLY has. Not much, apparently. Or at least an ACTUAL human life doesn't carry anywhere near the value of a "potential" human life for so many of these folks.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, we already know that life has no value unless it's in the womb to some. As mentioned, wars, etc. have proven that.

Didja catch the Texas case? THEY were in such a hurry they trampled happily all over our treaties. Wheee..."kill 'em quick!"

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:26 PM

KWICKO

Oh, I caught it. There are days I'm so ashamed to live here...

I'll not defend the guy they executed. He may well have deserved to die. But breaking an international treaty to do it sets a helluva bad precedent for us, and cuts our legs out from under us any time we start bitching about how Americans get treated in other countries, because they now have every right to look at us and tell us to go fuck ourselves. Perry didn't just do this as a "Fuck you!" to Mexico - he did it as a direct "Fuck you!" to all Americans, and to our State and Justice Departments as well as to the President.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:54 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I think my death penalty post got eaten. I'm okay with it only in very specific circumstances. There is too much chance for the wrong person to be executed, as has happened before, for it to be something I'd consider often. In order for me to be okay with it the person:
A. Needs to have killed more than one person.
B. There needs to be blatently obvious and conclusive proof that the person indeed committed the murders. Its not something I'd consider lightly.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Friday, July 8, 2011 2:09 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
I think my death penalty post got eaten. I'm okay with it only in very specific circumstances. There is too much chance for the wrong person to be executed, as has happened before, for it to be something I'd consider often. In order for me to be okay with it the person:
A. Needs to have killed more than one person.
B. There needs to be blatently obvious and conclusive proof that the person indeed committed the murders. Its not something I'd consider lightly.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

I'd accept the death penalty in a case like Jared Laughner, where he's actually laughing about what he's done, and proud of it.

There is no doubt WHAT he did, and no doubt WHO did it. He himself trumpets that he did it.

In other words, I'm pretty much with you on that.

But still, it's cheaper and easier to keep them in prison for life without possibility of parole.

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