HR 1: Election Reform Bill by SIGNYM

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Democrats can't cheat anymore.

Boo-fucking-hoo.
Here’s how to fight Republican voting laws

I've said this before to no effect, so let's try again:

DON'T bother criticizing the actual voting provisions of Republican voting laws. They're mostly popular and mostly have close to zero effect on actual voting.

DO criticize the provisions that allow Republican legislatures to overturn results or replace election officials. Even most Republicans find these shocking when they hear about them.

That's about it. Why is this so hard?

https://jabberwocking.com/heres-how-to-fight-republican-voting-laws/

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Yeah, but you do both.

So shut the fuck up.

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Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:23 AM

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Yeah, but you do both.

So shut the fuck up.

Actually, I'm less nuanced than you suggest. I'm opposed to any political idea from a Trump voter. (Their non-political thinking also tends to be stupid, but sometimes, not often, there is a tiny gold nugget of an idea in their deranged brains.) To repeat the reason for the 1,000th time: I have never known a Trump voter who was NOT crazy and stupid, judging from the results of their lives, with the exception of rich Trump voters who selected him because they don't pay taxes, same as Trump doesn't. Trump is a genius at tax cheating!

Is Donald Trump smart on taxes, or a clever tax con man who committed 'outright fraud'?
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/15/donald-trump-taxes-smart-leg
al-fraud-new-york-times-column/1639787002/

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Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:46 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yeah, but you do both.

So shut the fuck up.
Actually, I'm less nuanced than you suggest. I'm opposed to any political idea from a Trump voter. (Their non-political thinking also tends to be stupid, but sometimes, not often, there is a tiny gold nugget of an idea in their deranged brains.) To repeat the reason for the 1,000th time: I have never known a Trump voter who was NOT crazy and stupid, judging from the results of their lives, with the exception of rich Trump voters who selected him because they don't pay taxes, same as Trump doesn't. Trump is a genius at tax cheating!

Is Donald Trump smart on taxes, or a clever tax con man who committed 'outright fraud'?
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/15/donald-trump-taxes-smart-leg
al-fraud-new-york-times-column/1639787002/

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You don't have an ounce of nuance in ya, buddy. I suggested no such thing.

You are also extremely predictable in your responses as well.

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Wednesday, July 21, 2021 12:14 PM

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The 15th Amendment commands that “the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” But the pre-Voting Rights Act United States denied voting rights to millions of African Americans because powerful public officials — including judges — decided that they did not care what the Constitution had to say about voting rights. The Supreme Court isn’t even pretending that it’s bound by legal texts in its voting rights cases.

The rules in American elections are now what Chief Justice Roberts and his five even more conservative colleagues say they are — not what the Constitution or any act of Congress has to say about voting rights. In retrospect, it was probably inevitable that the conservative backlash against voting rights would flourish in the one unelected branch of the federal government.

https://www.vox.com/22575435/voting-rights-supreme-court-john-roberts-
shelby-county-constitution-brnovich-elena-kagan

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Wednesday, July 21, 2021 8:12 PM

I'm "sure" that Sotomayor and Kagan are unbiased.

What a fucking joke you are, Second.

P.S. HR1 is dead. It always was.

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Friday, July 23, 2021 2:02 PM

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I'm "sure" that Sotomayor and Kagan are unbiased.

What a fucking joke you are, Second.

P.S. HR1 is dead. It always was.

If you are concerned about biased justices, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is also dead, killed on July 1st, only 3 weeks ago, by 6 Republican Supreme Court justices.

The U.S. Supreme Court Thursday gutted most of what remains of the landmark Voting Rights Act. The court's decision, while leaving some protections involving redistricting in place, left close to a dead letter the law once hailed as the most effective civil rights legislation in the nation's history.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/998758022/the-supreme-court-upheld-upho
lds-arizona-measures-that-restrict-voting

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Friday, July 23, 2021 9:22 PM

HR 1 is still dead you say?

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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:22 AM

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Senate Republicans blocked an attempt by Democrats to advance their signature voting and elections overhaul bill in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

This was an effort by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Democrats in the chamber to put Republicans on the record on the voting rights package and to demonstrate that they are still trying to pass it despite stiff GOP opposition.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/politics/voting-right-bill-blocked-repu
blicans/index.html

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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:24 PM

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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Senate Republicans blocked an attempt by Democrats to advance their signature voting and elections overhaul bill in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Good. If the democrats* REALLY wanted to improve the voting process, to make it fair, accurate, and auditable, they would have consulted the experts - the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project - and followed those recommendations. But that's not what they did.

If life is fair, then HR1 will never get off the ground.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 1:04 AM

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Senate Republicans blocked an attempt by Democrats to advance their signature voting and elections overhaul bill in the early hours of Wednesday morning.
Good. If the democrats* REALLY wanted to improve the voting process, to make it fair, accurate, and auditable, they would have consulted the experts - the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project - and followed those recommendations. But that's not what they did.

If life is fair, then HR1 will never get off the ground.

Trump wanted to have the Justice Department push the Georgia state legislature to call its own special session, overturn the actual results, and declare Trump the real winner. That didn't happen only because other attorneys said they would resign en masse if Trump pulled this stunt. Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project has nothing to say about Trump's stunt, but HR1 would have thwarted Trump. You can read about Trump's failed steal, 1kiki, here:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/jeffrey-bossert-clark-trum
p-justice-department-election-coup.html

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:21 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

CalTech/MIT has procedures to prevent fuck-ups that lead to uncertainty - and competing and unverified claims - as well as procedures to unscramble results (data) after the fact and check for validity.

It has everything to do with the current crappy election process and how to fix it.

Unlike the democrats'* 'plan', which has everything to do with making elections even more ncertain and crappy.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 6:47 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

CalTech/MIT has procedures to prevent fuck-ups that lead to uncertainty - and competing and unverified claims - as well as procedures to unscramble results (data) after the fact and check for validity.

It has everything to do with the current crappy election process and how to fix it.

Unlike the democrats'* 'plan', which has everything to do with making elections even more ncertain and crappy.

1kiki, start with CalTech/MIT https://www.vote.caltech.edu/
Nothing there is the magic fairy dust you are sprinkling:

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Line Optimization and Poll Worker Management
Developer: Stephen Graves and Rong Yuan
This tool uses queueing theory to calculate the minimal number of service stations at a process step in a polling place so as to satisfy a service target on maximum waiting times.

Poll Worker and Machine Optimization
Developer: Aaron Strauss
An easy-to-use calculator that takes basic information about a precinct and reports the number of check-in poll books and voting machines needed to keep lines short during a presidential election

Line Optimization
Developer: Mark Pelczarski
This simulation gives an idea of potential voter wait times for if you have estimates of projected turnout, average time to vote with your ballot and equipment, and average time required to check-in each voter.

1kiki, on the other hand, you completely ignored that article about Trump squeezing Georgia to change the votes. CalTech/MIT won't stop that, but HR-1 would put election officials in prison for listening to Trump. And Trump would be in the same prison.

See TITLE X—PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL TAX TRANSPARENCY for what happens to crooked Presidents:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text?r=1

No GOP Senator would vote for HR-1 because the bill makes it a crime to be a crook & liar like Trump.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 8:49 AM

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1kiki, on the other hand, you completely ignored that article about Trump squeezing Georgia to change the votes.

Georgia already willingly changed the votes for Biden*.

also

Everybody ignores any articles you post.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:21 AM

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1kiki, on the other hand, you completely ignored that article about Trump squeezing Georgia to change the votes.

Georgia already willingly changed the votes for Biden*.

also

Everybody ignores any articles you post.

I noticed that Trump voters don't use the maintenance/operation manuals at work they must read in order to competently do their jobs. Those over-confident, under-skilled Trumptards break a lot of machinery and tools because they don't know exactly what they are doing. It is more amusing than irritating to watch them botch simple jobs. Away from work, these guys probably cause a lot of damage and waste time/money because they pretty likely don't read with true comprehension anything they should read. That's why their work lives are a constant struggle while other people who understand what they read can sail through life with ease.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:21 AM

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Voting - What Is, What Could Be (2001)
Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project
07/01/2001
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/1

Where We Have Been, Where We Are Going: Project Update (2003)
Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project
01/01/2003
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/2

Towards Better Voting Technology Research: Building a Research-Industry Dialogue (2007)
Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project
11/30/2008
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/4

Residual Votes Attributable to Technology: An Assessment of the Reliability of Existing Voting Technologies
Stephen Ansolabehere, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Charles Stewart III, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
11/30/2008
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/5

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we find that in presidential elections, traditional paper ballots produce the lowest rates of uncounted vote

The Quality of Voter Registration Records: A State-by-State Analysis
Stephen Ansolabehere, Harvard University
Eitan Hersh, Harvard University
7/14/2010
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/6

Voting: What Has Changed, What Hasn't, & What Needs Improvement (2012)
R. Michael Alvarez, California Institute of Technology
Jonathan N. Katz, California Institute of Technology
Charles Stewart III, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ronald L. Rivest, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Stephen Ansolabehere, Harvard University
Thad E. Hall, University of Utah
10/18/2012
http://vote.caltech.edu/reports/7

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A movement toward mandating statistically meaningful post-election audits, rather than setting security standards for election equipment, as the primary way to safeguard the integrity of the vote

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:38 AM

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Voting - What Is, What Could Be (2001)
Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project

Every county in Texas, 254 of them, uses different technology from every other county because they pick whatever is cheapest or oldest or most obsolete. HR-1 will fix that, but leaving things as it is now, which is what the Texas Legislature intends, is doing the opposite of what Caltech/MIT recommends. The Legislature is "fixing" the system by excluding voters. There is no hardware or technological improvements in any the legislation because that would cost money.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 1:44 PM

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Paper ballots cost next to nothing but are the most accurately-tallied way to vote. They can't be hacked electronically, and if they have a CoC they're accurate. And statistical audits ensure that large-scale fraud - perhaps like 2020 - won't go undetected.

But HR1 doesn't address that. Because the authors of HR1 don't want to fix the problems, they want to perpetuate them with, just with the addition their own brand of fraud-compliant loopholes.

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:39 PM

DREAMTROVE

yeah, it looks to me like they want to centralize authority over the election process. Everything the FEC does has bothered me for years. It used to both me when I was a loyal liberal, and it still bothers me.

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Every Democrat but one voted late March 3 for H.R. 1, a massive voting reform bill that has drawn harsh criticism from the GOP.

Every Republican voted against the bill. They were joined by Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.).

Yeah, that looks dead. I don't see how an election reform with a completely one sided support would be at all democratic.

I agree about paper ballots, they should stay. It's stupid easy to defraud voting machines or online voting.

What should really happen here is states should take more control over their own local politics and obviate the US federal govt. I know the argument against that has always been "but slavery" but slavery is not the issue on the table.

But more than any of that I think basically every regime post 2000 has been "would you trust this govt to change the way elections are done?"

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Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:40 PM

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1kiki, on the other hand, you completely ignored that article about Trump squeezing Georgia to change the votes.

Georgia already willingly changed the votes for Biden*.

also

Everybody ignores any articles you post.
I noticed that Trump voters don't use the maintenance/operation manuals at work they must read in order to competently do their jobs.

I have a the most up-to-date PDF manual for my car as well as every appliance and tool that I own which I have backed up on 3 drives and the cloud, where I can view any one of them at any time from my tablet.

Fuck your anecdotes.

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Friday, August 13, 2021 4:57 AM

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I have a the most up-to-date PDF manual for my car as well as every appliance and tool that I own which I have backed up on 3 drives and the cloud, where I can view any one of them at any time from my tablet.

Fuck your anecdotes.

Not that you will understand, but there is a huge difference between having a manual and understanding the machine in the same way as the engineer who designed the machine described in the manual. The Trumptards get into trouble because they are confident in their very simplified working knowledge when they shouldn't be.

Trumptards are missing The Baloney Detection Kit. Carl Sagan’s rules for critical thinking against general falsehood.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-baloney-detection-kit-carl-saga
n-s-rules-for-bullshit-busting-and-critical-thinking

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Friday, August 13, 2021 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I have a the most up-to-date PDF manual for my car as well as every appliance and tool that I own which I have backed up on 3 drives and the cloud, where I can view any one of them at any time from my tablet.

Fuck your anecdotes.
Not that you will understand, but there is a huge difference between having a manual and understanding the machine in the same way as the engineer who designed the machine described in the manual.

You're right. That's why 99% of the assholes walking around with smartphones today get what they deserve.

Don't try to talk down to me, son. I just took a turd with a higher IQ than yours.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:15 AM

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Trump: Audit not big enough

By Taylor Goldenstein AUSTIN BUREAU

Gov. Greg Abbott’s plan to audit the 2020 election results in four of the state’s biggest counties apparently did not pass muster for former President Donald Trump.

“By allowing the Democrats to do what they do, it will make it much harder for the governor and other Republicans to win election in 2022 and into the future,” Trump said in a statement to the Texas Tribune on Wednesday. “Texas is a much redder state than anyone knows, but this is the way to make sure it turns blue.”

Abbott’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday, but his spokeswoman Renae Eze said in a statement to the Tribune that “Texas is conducting the largest forensic audit in the country.”

“We have all the tools necessary to conduct a full, comprehensive audit, and that process will address any irregularities and ensure all valid votes are counted,” she said.

Last week, Trump in a public letter had pushed Abbott — who the former president has endorsed ahead of the 2022 Republican primary — to add legislation to the Legislature’s special session agenda that would make it easier for counties to audit election results.

“Texans know voting fraud occurred in some of their counties,” Trump wrote in the letter, despite a lack of evidence of widespread fraud. “Let’s get to the bottom of the 2020 Presidential Election scam!”

Later that day, the Texas secretary of state’s office announced it would audit Collin, Dallas, Harris and Tarrant counties’ election results, without providing much detail.

The office clarified in a document released Tuesday night how the audit would work, and much of it was already required of counties as part of routine election procedure review. The second phase was set to begin in spring 2022 and would involve reviewing voting machine accuracy tests, lists of voters, training materials and other election-related documents.

But Trump has been specific about his demand from the get-go: He wants House Bill 16, authored by Rep. Steve Toth, R-The Woodlands, to be added to the special session call and approved.

The bill would require county clerks to convene a “election review advisory committee” to review 2020 election results from randomly selected precincts if a state or county party chair requested it. Other provisions would make it easier for candidates and others to request audits from their county clerk or the secretary of state. taylor.goldenstein@chron.com

https://web.archive.org/web/20210930111946/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/politics/texas/article/Abbott-s-four-county-2020-election-audit-16497682.php

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:51 AM

Wow. Making sure that elections are legit?

Sounds downright devious.

If you're a Democrat.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:28 AM

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Wow. Making sure that elections are legit?

Sounds downright devious.

If you're a Democrat.

The Republican governor saw the election as legit, but when Trump said it wasn't (although Trump won by landslide in Texas) then the Republican governor changed his mind to please Trump. Trump alone is driving the change in voting laws in all states and the audits, too. It is Trump 24/7. If he wasn't selling the fake news that he won, Texas would not be auditing the vote again and again and again until Trump is satisfied.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:33 AM

No matter where the idea came from, this should be done for every election.

But you're a Democrat, so you wouldn't understand anything about integrity.

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Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:52 AM