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HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 8:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Anybody with a below average IQ probably shouldn't vote.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Anybody with a below average IQ probably shouldn't vote.

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How will you measure who is too stupid to vote? If You’re So Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich? looks at the idea that personality, not intelligence, has a larger effect on success than IQ.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/if-you-re-so-smart-why-aren-t-you-r
ich


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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
How will you measure who is too stupid to vote?



I didn't say anyone should be barred from voting. I'm merely suggesting it's not the worst idea in the world that there are a few hoops to jump through before you do is all.

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If You’re So Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich? looks at the idea that personality, not intelligence, has a larger effect on success than IQ.



The two sentences above are a question and answer to yourself, dummy.


How does one truly measure success? You put far too much value on stacks of cash and believing this somehow adds to happiness. Beyond 6 months to a year of a rainy-day fund, only stupid people need more money than is necessary for comfortable living and no worries about where food is coming from.

And I've got way more than that. I could make it 1/3rd of the way to that first Social Security check without earning another paycheck right now. If I sold my house and downsized by my brother like I want to, I probably don't ever have to work for somebody another day in my life.

It's not at all about how much money you made. It's what you do with it.

No wife, no ex, no kids, no responsibilities, no obligations, no rent, no mortgage, no college debt, no expensive wedding to pay for, no car payment... Hell... I don't even have a cell phone contract.

I'm 41 years old and I've paid less than $125 in interest in my entire life.

I've gotten 30 times that interest back in credit card rewards in that time frame.

Hell... I don't gamble, but the few times I went with friends back in the day leave me up on The House by at least $200. So that covers my interest right there.



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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Hell...

6ix, you perfectly encapsulated how Trumptards think small. Fifty years ago, the few surviving Trumptards I knew from high school all complained that Apollo Moon landings (controlled by Johnson Space Center in Houston) were a waste of money. The Superconducting Super Collider being built in Texas? According to Trumptards, it was another waste of money. You Trumptards are not psychologically ready to build projects bigger than your tiny needs. Plus, 6ix, you once again beautifully wrote about your superiority complex, a syndrome that Trumptards are afflicted with.

The Supercollider That Never Was
On October 21, 1993, Congress officially killed the project, leaving behind more than vacant tunnel in the Texas earth.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-supercollider-that-never-was/

A superiority complex is a defense mechanism that develops over time to help a person cope with painful feelings of inferiority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:43 PM

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Texas Republicans have a simple reason for the broad changes they have proposed to tighten the rules on who can vote when and how: It's the only way to combat rampant election fraud.

No matter what Trump says, there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud in modern American elections. Like, none.

Trump administration Attorney General Bill Barr late last year: "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election."

The man who succeeded Barr in the job -- acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen -- said the same in testimony to Congress in May: "During my tenure, DOJ maintained the position publicly announced previously that the Department had been presented with no evidence of widespread voter fraud at a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election."

Trump and his legal team filed dozens of cases -- in state and federal courts -- alleging widespread voter fraud. And lost the cases.

Recounts and audits in a variety of states affirmed the original results.

In the 2016 presidential election, there were a total of four documented cases of voter fraud out of more than 135 million votes cast.

In a database of all types of election fraud, there have been 491 cases of reported absentee-ballot fraud since 2000.

Against all of that evidence and data is, well, not much other than Trump's wild accusations and the occasional anecdotal story about how some guy voted twice for Trump.

There's an important point to be made here: An isolated incident of someone voting twice (or trying to) is NOT widespread voter fraud. It is one person acting irresponsibly.

So why are Republicans across the country -- 14 states have passed almost two dozen laws aimed at restricting voting access -- pushing so hard on this issue if it's not to solve the nonexistent problem of widespread voter fraud?

Republican leaders have acknowledged that more voters voting is bad for them. In 2019, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell dismissed the idea of a making Election Day a holiday as a "power grab" by Democrats. In March 2020 Trump told Fox & Friends this: "They had levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again."

So, yeah. When people tell you who they are and what they are doing believe them -- the first time.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/politics/texas-election-law-election-se
curity/index.html


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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 4:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Hell...

6ix, you perfectly encapsulated how Trumptards think small. Fifty years ago, the few surviving Trumptards I knew from high school all complained that Apollo Moon landings (controlled by Johnson Space Center in Houston) were a waste of money. The Superconducting Super Collider being built in Texas? According to Trumptards, it was another waste of money. You Trumptards are not psychologically ready to build projects bigger than your tiny needs. Plus, 6ix, you once again beautifully wrote about your superiority complex, a syndrome that Trumptards are afflicted with.



Everything you've ever posted about yourself is a lie.

I'm not ambitious. I don't have to be. I'm completely content just being awesome.

It really sucks knowing how unfulfilling your life is, and how you put such a high value on meaningless wealth that you'll never accumulate.

I actually feel sad for you.

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Tuesday, June 1, 2021 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Everything you've ever posted about yourself is a lie.

I'm not ambitious. I don't have to be. I'm completely content just being awesome.

It really sucks knowing how unfulfilling your life is, and how you put such a high value on meaningless wealth that you'll never accumulate.

I actually feel sad for you.

I am happy for you: Trump Has Reportedly Been Telling People He’s Going to Be President Again by August (Or Has Fully Descended Into Madness)

National security adviser Michael Flynn — who Trump pardoned in the waning days of his presidency — declared at a Dallas event on Sunday that a Myanmar-style coup “should happen here” in the United States. (He later claimed that his words had been “twisted.”)

www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/donald-trump-august-reinstatement

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 1:28 AM

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Texas Republicans have a simple reason for the broad changes they have proposed to tighten the rules on who can vote when and how: It's the only way to combat rampant election fraud.

Trump and his legal team filed dozens of cases -- in state and federal courts -- alleging widespread voter fraud.

But the Courts kept punting them - ruling that the cases were too early, because the fraud was before the election results - and then the cases were too late, because the Fake Elec tion Fake Results were already announced
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In the 2016 presidential election, there were a total of four documented cases of voter fraud out of more than 135 million votes cast.

In a database of all types of election fraud, there have been 491 cases of reported absentee-ballot fraud since 2000.

Against all of that evidence and data is, well, not much other than Trump's wild accusations and the occasional anecdotal story about how some guy voted twice for Trump.

Since the bot is in Russia or Vietnam, he doesn't know about the recent convictions in Texas of people voting twice.
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So why are Republicans across the country -- 14 states have passed almost two dozen laws aimed at restricting voting access Restoring Election integrity, security, confidence, honesty -- pushing so hard on this issue ....

Republican leaders have acknowledged that more low-information, illegal, fraudulent, criminal, brainwashed, delusional, multiple voters voting is bad for them. In 2019, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell dismissed the idea of a making Election Day a holiday as a "power grab" by Democrats.

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I keep hearing that not one single case of a Voter being denied the right to vote as a violation of the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act of the 1960s has ever been proven in court. And yet this is the only excuse Libtards and other Democraps can dream up to circumvent The Constitution (until covid Lockdowns gave them a better avenue).

Meanwhile, Libtards dismiss genuine concerns by conservatives and Constitutionalists because they claim there could not possibly ever be any instance or an illegal vote.
errr, that is, there has never actually been a case of an illegal vote.
errr, that is, there has never been more than one case of an illegal vote.
errr, that is, there has never been many cases of illegal or fraudulent voting.
errr, that is, there has never been any case of illegal voting effecting the election outcome.
err, that is, you can't catch us doing it.
errr, that is, you can't prove it.
errr, that is, you can't prove all of the overwhelming cases of us perpetrating fraud and illegal voting.
errr, that is, you can't prove it enough.
errr, that is, you can't prove it in time.
That's it. That's the ticket.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

That's it. That's the ticket.

Trump says Republicans would never be elected again if it was easier to vote. That's it. That's the ticket, JewelStaiteFan.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-
reform-coronavirus


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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:09 AM

THG


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Georgia and Arizona are already working on their own voting reform bills.

The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting. I would expect to see a Supreme Court challenge to many aspects of HR1.

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.



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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:45 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Georgia and Arizona are already working on their own voting reform bills.

The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting. I would expect to see a Supreme Court challenge to many aspects of HR1.

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.



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The states litigated this before and the states lost because the states did not want ex-slaves to vote. From HR-1:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H70
9BA927170447AAA69FE1A1B0BE1C67


(1) Congress finds that it has broad authority to regulate the time, place, and manner of congressional elections under the Elections Clause of the Constitution, article I, section 4, clause 1. The Supreme Court has affirmed that the “substantive scope” of the Elections Clause is “broad”; that “Times, Places, and Manner” are “comprehensive words which embrace authority to provide for a complete code for congressional elections”; and “[t]he power of Congress over the Times, Places and Manner of congressional elections is paramount, and may be exercised at any time, and to any extent which it deems expedient; and so far as it is exercised, and no farther, the regulations effected supersede those of the State which are inconsistent therewith”. Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, 570 U.S. 1, 8–9 (2013) (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). Indeed, “Congress has plenary and paramount jurisdiction over the whole subject” of congressional elections, Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. (10 Otto) 371, 388 (1879), and this power “may be exercised as and when Congress sees fit”, and “so far as it extends and conflicts with the regulations of the State, necessarily supersedes them”. Id. At 384. Among other things, Congress finds that the Elections Clause was intended to “vindicate the people’s right to equality of representation in the House”. Wesberry v. Sanders, 376 U.S. 1, 16 (1964), and to address partisan gerrymandering, Rucho v. Common Cause, 588 U.S. ____, 32–33 (2019).

(2) Congress also finds that it has both the authority and responsibility, as the legislative body for the United States, to fulfill the promise of article IV, section 4, of the Constitution, which states: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government[.]”. Congress finds that its authority and responsibility to enforce the Guarantee Clause is particularly strong given that Federal courts have not enforced this clause because they understood that its enforcement is committed to Congress by the Constitution.

(3) (A) Congress also finds that it has broad authority pursuant to section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment to legislate to enforce the provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment, including its protections of the right to vote and the democratic process.

There is plenty more exploitation in HR-1, but I expect Trumptards to neither read nor understand the law. Instead, the Trumptards will continue to scream that the states have rights to stop Niggers and Libtards from Voting (but those rights don't exist except in the imaginations of Trumptards).

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Anybody keeping count how many time's Second's used that word?

Try using that word on Twitter, buddy. I'm sure once you let them know that you're an "ally" that it will be cool.


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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I am happy for you



That's nice. I still feel sad for you though.




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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:29 AM

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Anybody keeping count how many time's Second's used that word?

Try using that word on Twitter, buddy. I'm sure once you let them know that you're an "ally" that it will be cool.


It is really about what Trump said: Republicans would never be elected again if it was easier to vote. That is the real motivation for all the new Trumptard voting laws. Stop lying once in while, Trumptards, about why you do what you do. Trumptards for Trump should proudly show your racism, your fearfulness, and your habitual dishonesty. And while you are it, cheat on your taxes; Trump would.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-
reform-coronavirus


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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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It is really about what Trump said



No. No it's not.

It's really about what you said.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:24 PM

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Trump was hellbent on getting election administrators to recount the 2020 vote until they could figure out a way to declare him the winner, but they unanimously refused to do it. Now, Republicans are working to make sure that they can eject future election administrators who don't play ball.

Yesterday's letter from a hundred political scientists is clear about what's happening:

Statutory changes in large key electoral battleground states are dangerously politicizing the process of electoral administration, with Republican-controlled legislatures giving themselves the power to override electoral outcomes on unproven allegations should Democrats win more votes.

www.newamerica.org/political-reform/statements/statement-of-concern/

Republican legislatures are giving themselves the power to remove election administrators after the election is over and replace them with faithful party operatives. The replacement Republican officials, unlike the ones we saw standing up to Trump's pressure in 2020, are going to decline to certify Democratic victories. If Republicans hold the House, Senate, or both after the 2024 election, that could allow Congress to install a GOP president even if the Democrat won.

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Wednesday, June 2, 2021 4:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Democrats lost in 2020.

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Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Democrats lost in 2020.

Trump and you think very much alike: Trump advisors say the former president is so obsessed with fighting the 2020 election that telling him he lost is like 'p------ into the wind'

Nearly all the 2020 election advisors said they regarded his fixation on litigating the election as a waste of time, but that he kept returning to the topic nonetheless.

When advisors leave challenging the 2020 election out of their drafts for his speeches, he goes off-script, ad-libbing about the count in various states.

Trump has been energized by the ongoing election audit in Maricopa County, Arizona, and is trying to work out how to secure similar efforts in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Georgia. Trump met with Pennsylvania GOP State Senator Doug Mastriano at Trump Tower recently over the question of a recount in the state.

More at www.businessinsider.com/trump-wont-listen-advisors-who-say-he-lost-rep
ort-2021-6


I hope Trump raises a HUGE army commanded by a General most similar to Robert E. Lee, General Michael T. Flynn, to take back the White House. And I hope Joe Biden responses with regret and ferocity, much the same as General Sherman marching through Georgia, killing prototypical Trumptards, but with the expressed approval of Abe Lincoln.

What violent schemes might the Trumptard cult energetically complete before the Nov. 2024 election? More at Donald Trump is an idea, not a man — and that's why his movement is so dangerous
www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/donald-trump-is-an-idea-not-a-man-and-t
hat-s-why-his-movement-is-so-dangerous/ar-AAKFfOU


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Thursday, June 3, 2021 2:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Democrats lost in 2020.

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Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Democrats lost in 2020.

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It’s Confirmed: 6ix and Donald Trump Are Clinically Delusional

Does Donald Trump really believe that he will be "reinstated" as president by August? Charles Cooke confirms that the original reporting about this was correct:

I can attest, from speaking to an array of different sources, that Donald Trump does indeed believe quite genuinely that he — along with former senators David Perdue and Martha McSally — will be “reinstated” to office this summer after “audits” of the 2020 elections in Arizona, Georgia, and a handful of other states have been completed. I can attest, too, that Trump is trying hard to recruit journalists, politicians, and other influential figures to promulgate this belief — not as a fundraising tool or an infantile bit of trolling or a trial balloon, but as a fact.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the hero of the Republican Party, the man that everyone fears to cross. And the fact that he's obviously delusional? Apparently that just doesn't matter much.

https://jabberwocking.com/its-confirmed-donald-trump-is-clinically-del
usional
/

Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, tweeted:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1400400660495994882


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Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Democrats lost in 2020.

P.S. HR1 will never pass.

Never.



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Sunday, June 6, 2021 8:50 AM

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Donald Trump’s speech before the North Carolina Republican Party Saturday night was a reminder of the danger the former President poses as he undermines America’s election system.

At a time when online forums supportive of Trump have touted the deadly military coup in Myanmar as a remedy that should occur in the United States so Trump can be reinstated, recent polling shows that a majority of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen despite the fact there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

And the former President continued to fan those flames of disinformation on Saturday night, stating that the 2020 election will “go down as the crime of the century.”

“We’re not going to have a country – if you don’t have election integrity, and if you don’t have strong borders, our country can be run like a dictatorship and that’s what they’d like to do,” Trump said. “They want to silence you. They want to silence your voice. Remember, I’m not the one trying to undermine American democracy. I’m the one that’s trying to save it.”

The former President also praised states like Texas, Florida and Georgia that have advanced laws making it harder for Americans to vote – measures that will disproportionately affect Black and Latino Americans.

More at www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/politics/trump-election-lies-north-carolina/ind
ex.html


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Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Donald Trump’s speech before the North Carolina Republican Party Saturday night was a reminder of the danger the former President poses as he undermines America’s election system.



Translation: Censoring him online isn't enough. He must be deleted.

Seriously dude. Get out of my country.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Donald Trump’s speech before the North Carolina Republican Party Saturday night was a reminder of the danger the former President poses as he undermines America’s election system.



Translation: Censoring him online isn't enough. He must be deleted.

Seriously dude. Get out of my country.

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Trump is telling people he thinks he'll be 'reinstated' as president in August
https://web.archive.org/web/20210604022314/https://www.businessinsider
.com/trump-expects-to-be-reinstated-as-president-august-2021-6


I do hope that Trump's followers attempt, as they talk about, placing him back in the White House before 2024. That might, or might not, alert the so-called Independent voters that Trump wants to be President-for-Life. Maybe the Independent voters will realize that voting for Trump in 2024 might not be smart, unless the Independents think Trump did a good job. In that case, the Independents weren't truly Independents, but really just ordinary Trumptards.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 10:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


He never posted on his blog that he was going to be reinstated in August.

An since social media censored him, he's not saying it there either.

Your sources are full of shit.


I will happily vote for him again in 2024.

By that time, after the Democrats lose the house and senate and the illegal cheating election systems put in place last year will go to the Supreme Court and be thrown out.


Enjoy your fake President. You've got 3 more years.



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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He never posted on his blog that he was going to be reinstated in August.

An since social media censored him, he's not saying it there either.

Your sources are full of shit.

Seven Republicans joined every Democrat to declare Trump guilty on the charge of “incitement of insurrection” after his months-long quest to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden and its deadly conclusion on 6 January, when Congress met to formalize the election results. The 57-43 vote was most bipartisan support for conviction ever in a presidential impeachment trial. Trump knows if he runs his mouth in public as he did on Jan 6th, but gives a date when he overthrows the election, it is treason. What is highly amusing to me about the American court system is that even Confederate President Jeff Davis could NOT be put on trial for treason. Since he might be declared innocent, there was no trial. It is completely bizarre history that Jeff Davis went free after what he did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis#Imprisonment

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WHEW!
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Manchin to Vote Against Democrats’ Sweeping Election Bill
By Allen Zhong
June 6, 2021 Updated: June 6, 2021

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said he will vote against a sweeping election reform bill pushed by his Democrat colleagues, also known as the For The People Act, or S.1, saying forcing it through via the partisan reconciliation process will further deepen divisions.

“I believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy, and for that reason, I will vote against the For the People Act,” he wrote in home-state newspaper The Charleston Gazette-Mail.

Manchin also reaffirmed that he will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster.

He criticized Democrats and Republicans for politicizing election reform to seek partisan advantage and urged both sides to work along to find a path forward.

He suggested that the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act is a good starting point to gain bipartisan support for election reform.

The senator also expressed concern over the trend of vying for absolute power over cooperation inside the Beltway.

“It has been said by much wiser people than me that absolute power corrupts absolutely,” he wrote. “Well, what I’ve seen during my time in Washington is that every party in power will always want to exercise absolute power, absolutely.”

After a contentious 2020 election, a number of states started election reform legislature in various forms to guarantee election integrity.

However, Democrats in Washington are aggressively pushing one-sided election reforms in an attempt to codify into law some operations conducted during the last presidential election at the federal level in the For The People Act.

The act would federalize components of the election system, eliminating nearly all requirements for photo identification, require states to offer 15 days of early voting, allow “no-excuse” absentee balloting, require states to implement a system of automatic voter registration, and allow same-day registration on any day voting is allowed.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told Democrat colleagues in a memorandum that he will force a Senate vote on the sweeping election reform bill “that is essential to defending our democracy, reducing the influence of dark money and powerful special interests, and stopping the wave of Republican voter suppression happening in states across the country.”

The bill is expected to get little, if any, support from the Republican side.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has promised to block the bill, which he characterizes as undue government overreach into state election systems. He said no GOP senators support it.

Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.) has described the bill as “a massive federal takeover of elections.”

Manchin’s objection will dim Democrats’ hope of passing it in the Senate, which is split 50-50, even without the filibuster.

The Epoch Times reached out to Schumer’s officer for comment.

The House version of the For The People Act, H.R. 1, was passed in March.

All Republicans and one Democrat, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), voted against the bill.

Critics have promised to bring a flood of lawsuits if it’s passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Joe Biden.

“There are a number of constitutional infirmities and deficiencies that stem from its treatment of presidential and congressional elections identically, even though Congress has vastly reduced powers to regulate presidential elections under the Constitution,” Jason Snead, executive director of the Honest Elections Project, told reporters.

The Associated Press contributed to the report.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/manchin-to-vote-against
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Sunday, June 6, 2021 6:44 PM

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Good man.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 6:47 PM

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I hope he hangs tough.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 7:38 PM

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Quote:

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I hope he hangs tough.

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I hope so, too.

If not, we'll have to depend on Senate republicans signalling their intention to filibuster, and that may be an iffy option.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 7:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I hope he hangs tough.

By refusing to get rid of the filibuster, Manchin allows Republicans to not negotiate. By taking the filibuster off the table, he empowers Republicans to be obstructionists. Manchin said he doesn’t agree with that point of view because there are “seven brave Republicans that continue to vote for what they know is right and the facts as they see them, not worrying about the political consequences.” Seven Republicans voted to convict former President Donald Trump of "incitement of insurrection". Manchin did NOT note that Trump is running free and saying Democrats stole his reelection and committed the crime of the century. Does Manchin think, because of his comment that absolute power corrupts absolutely, the Democrats stole Trump’s election? That would explain Manchin's opposition to HR 1.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/video-chris-wallace-confro
nts-joe-manchin-naive.html

www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-o
f-the-united-states-of-america-05.15.21


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Sunday, June 6, 2021 8:42 PM

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By maintaining the filibuster, Manchin a is REQUIRING the majority - whoever that is- to negotiate with the minority.

Without it, the majority- whoever that is- can ramrod thru anything they want. Without negotiating.

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you're filled with hate, SECONDRATE. Hate warps logic and causes bad decisions. The Dems will be in the minority at some point, and then they could be hoist on their own petard.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
By maintaining the filibuster, Manchin a is REQUIRING the majority - whoever that is- to negotiate with the minority.

Without it, the majority- whoever that is- can ramrod thru anything they want. Without negotiating.

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you're filled with hate, SECONDRATE. Hate warps logic and causes bad decisions. The Dems will be in the minority at some point, and then they could be hoist on their own petard.

Signym, you gave a perfect example of up is down with your explanation of the filibuster. Kudos for explaining nothing correctly, Signym. Since WWII the Senate has never been able to bring itself to vote for or against a Declaration of War. A Declaration is a constitutional duty of Congress, but Congress has not performed that duty since 1942. Did Senate indecision stop America from going to new wars? Another way of saying it -- did indecision lead to peace? The Senate not making decisions because of filibusters or because of fearful, irresponsible politicians such as Joe Manchin, who is only pretending to know what he is doing, has caused America to malfunction many times over the centuries and fall into wars. We will very likely fall into another war if Manchin stubbornly forces no decision to be made.

By the way, Signym, is the 2020 election the Crime of the Century as Trump claims and the true justification for NOT passing HR 1? It explains all the difference in opinion between D's and R's whether Democrats stole the White House or whether Trump incited an insurrection to stop V.P. Mike Pence from certifying the Democrats won. Or would you rather be indecisive and not say, Signym?

History Briefing: Filibuster and Cloture
www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Cloture_vrd.htm

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
By maintaining the filibuster, Manchin a is REQUIRING the majority - whoever that is- to negotiate with the minority.

Without it, the majority- whoever that is- can ramrod thru anything they want. Without negotiating.

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you're filled with hate, SECONDRATE. Hate warps logic and causes bad decisions. The Dems will be in the minority at some point, and then they could be hoist on their own petard.


SECONDRATE: Signym, you gave a perfect example of up is down with your explanation of the filibuster.

When does one negotiate? When faced with an opponent of approximately equal power. But in a system of rabid partisanship, when all party members vote in lock step, there is no approximate equal power, no negotiation, there is only the majority and the minority.
Quote:

SECONDRATE: blah blah blah while I attempt to conflate declarations of war with a naked Democrat power grab


Thank you for splattering the board with more of your twisted brain.

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Sunday, June 6, 2021 11:46 PM

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It's like talking to a child. A really dumb child.

It's a rare occasion that I can't visualize myself in somebody else's shoes, but after years of dealing with Second I've finally realized that my imagination is not capable of allowing myself even pretend for a moment to be as stupid as you'd need to be to hold a conversation with him.

I'd honestly get much further trying to have a conversation with somebody who only speaks Chinese without an interpreter in the room.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 1:42 AM

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WHEW!
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Manchin to Vote Against Democrats’ Sweeping Election Bill
By Allen Zhong
June 6, 2021 Updated: June 6, 2021

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said he will vote against a sweeping election reform bill pushed by his Democrat colleagues, also known as the For The People Act, or S.1, saying forcing it through via the partisan reconciliation process will further deepen divisions.

“I believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy, and for that reason, I will vote against the For the People Act,” he wrote in home-state newspaper The Charleston Gazette-Mail.

Manchin also reaffirmed that he will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster.

He criticized Democrats and Republicans for politicizing election reform to seek partisan advantage and urged both sides to work along to find a path forward.

He suggested that the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act is a good starting point to gain bipartisan support for election reform.

The senator also expressed concern over the trend of vying for absolute power over cooperation inside the Beltway.

“It has been said by much wiser people than me that absolute power corrupts absolutely,” he wrote. “Well, what I’ve seen during my time in Washington is that every party in power will always want to exercise absolute power, absolutely.”

After a contentious 2020 election, a number of states started election reform legislature in various forms to guarantee election integrity.

However, Democrats in Washington are aggressively pushing one-sided election reforms in an attempt to codify into law some operations conducted during the last presidential election at the federal level in the For The People Act.

The act would federalize components of the election system, eliminating nearly all requirements for photo identification, require states to offer 15 days of early voting, allow “no-excuse” absentee balloting, require states to implement a system of automatic voter registration, and allow same-day registration on any day voting is allowed.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told Democrat colleagues in a memorandum that he will force a Senate vote on the sweeping election reform bill “that is essential to defending our democracy, reducing the influence of dark money and powerful special interests, and stopping the wave of Republican voter suppression happening in states across the country.”

The bill is expected to get little, if any, support from the Republican side.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has promised to block the bill, which he characterizes as undue government overreach into state election systems. He said no GOP senators support it.

Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.) has described the bill as “a massive federal takeover of elections.”

Manchin’s objection will dim Democrats’ hope of passing it in the Senate, which is split 50-50, even without the filibuster.

The Epoch Times reached out to Schumer’s officer for comment.

The House version of the For The People Act, H.R. 1, was passed in March.

All Republicans and one Democrat, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), voted against the bill.

Critics have promised to bring a flood of lawsuits if it’s passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Joe Biden.

“There are a number of constitutional infirmities and deficiencies that stem from its treatment of presidential and congressional elections identically, even though Congress has vastly reduced powers to regulate presidential elections under the Constitution,” Jason Snead, executive director of the Honest Elections Project, told reporters.

The Associated Press contributed to the report.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/manchin-to-vote-against
-democrats-sweeping-election-bill-warns-danger-of-power-grab_3846745.html


Wow. An unexpected victory for America.

And on the anniversary of D-Day.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 2:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like talking to a child. A really dumb child.

It's a rare occasion that I can't visualize myself in somebody else's shoes, but after years of dealing with Second I've finally realized that my imagination is not capable of allowing myself even pretend for a moment to be as stupid as you'd need to be to hold a conversation with him.

I'd honestly get much further trying to have a conversation with somebody who only speaks Chinese without an interpreter in the room.

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SECONDRATE isn't dumb. He's extremely inventive when it comes to Making Things Not His Fault. It's all Republican's fault. Everything is their fault. The rationalizations why this is so are endless! He was taught to be a righteous man but a) he can't change his past and 2) he likes his money too much. So instead of being a decent person, the best he can do is virtue signal that He Pays His Taxes.

It's pretty simple, really. He's a human being twisted by having killed people and too much money.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 7:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When does one negotiate? When faced with an opponent of approximately equal power. But in a system of rabid partisanship, when all party members vote in lock step, there is no approximate equal power, no negotiation, there is only the majority and the minority.

How does one pilot negotiate with the co-pilot? Do the pilots let the machinery of the autopilot fly the plane until it runs out of fuel and falls from the sky because they can't agree? The Senate does. The Senate has been on autopilot since 1942 on deciding when to declare war. Even before Pearl Harbor, the Senate was on autopilot. War had been raging across Europe and Asia for years, yet the Senate could NOT get off autopilot. It was plain as daylight that the Wars would eventually come to America, even if the Senate could not make a decision.

What was the result? America has gone to war time after time, the Pentagon stumbles into disaster after disaster, yet the Senate never gets around to making a Declaration of War, which is one of its few well defined responsibilities in the Constitution. Why no decisions? The real reason is that Americans elect politicians who pretend to be big and brave but are actually frightened and indecisive people who talk too much in order to avoid responsibility. The technical reason is the filibuster.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 7:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECONDRATE isn't dumb. He's extremely inventive when it comes to Making Things Not His Fault. It's all Republican's fault. Everything is their fault. The rationalizations why this is so are endless! He was taught to be a righteous man but a) he can't change his past and 2) he likes his money too much. So instead of being a decent person, the best he can do is virtue signal that He Pays His Taxes.

It's pretty simple, really. He's a human being twisted by having killed people and too much money.

One thing I am confident of is that Trumptards can't imagine the future they unthinkingly create. I have seen their astonished look when the world crashes down on their heads. I saw that look when Trump lost. They were certain they had it all figured out! Here are a few paragraphs out of a much longer essay from Timothy Snyder about America's future, which will come crashing down on all our heads:

How an American nightmare will become real

It is so obvious where all of this is heading. President Trump tells a big lie that elections are rigged. This authorizes him and others to seek power in extra-democratic ways. The lie is institutionalized by state legislation that suppresses voting, and that gives state legislatures themselves the right to decide how to allocate the electoral vote in presidential elections.

The scenario then goes like this. The Republicans win back the House and Senate in 2022, in part thanks to voter suppression. The Republican candidate in 2024 loses the popular vote by several million and the electoral vote by the margin of a few states. State legislatures, claiming fraud, alter the electoral count vote. The House and Senate accept that altered count. The losing candidate becomes the president. We no longer have “democratically elected government.”

No one is seeking to hide that this is the plan. It is right there out in the open. The prospective Republican candidates for 2024, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley, are all running on a big lie platform. If your platform is that elections do not work, you are saying that you intend to come to power some other way. The big lie is designed not to win an election, but to discredit one. Any candidate who tells it is alienating most Americans, and preparing a minority for a scenario where fraud is claimed. This is just what Trump tried in 2020, and it led to a coup attempt in January 2021. It will be worse in January 2025.

9/11 led us to the invasion of Iraq, the foreign policy disaster that marked our century.  1/6 leads us to a catastrophe on that scale, but inside our own country.  It is not at all clear that the plan to take power undemocratically will work, but it is clear that it will generate a lot of resistance.  African Americans are right now being told the absurd lie that the problem in America is that it is too easy for them to vote.  As the scenario plays out, all Americans will face an open denial of everything they have been told about their country. 

When Trump told his big lie, the airplane hit the building. 

The anti-voter laws proposed and passed by Republican state legislatures around the country move the scenario to its next step. Halting them might well be the only way to halt the scenario as a whole. Businesses that want to avoid chaos between now and 2022 and prevent system breakdown in 2024 would be well advised not to donate to politicians who repeat the big lie and suppress the vote.

More at https://snyder.substack.com/p/911-and-16

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Monday, June 7, 2021 8:24 AM

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SLOPPY, not since the very founding of this country have we ever had "democratically elected government".

And once again you (along with THUGGER) demonstrate how much you hate the Constitution, and by extension, the US of A.


SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?


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SLOPPY, not since the very founding of this country have we ever had "democratically elected government".

And once again you (along with THUGGER) demonstrate how much you hate the Constitution, and by extension, the US of A.

It cannot be repeated too often enough, but Trumptards are crazy. I have never known even one of them in Texas, as they screw up at work at home at life, that realized they were making crazy decisions, but the crappy results in life should have given them a clue. They never pick up the clue, turn it over to examine it closely in order to see it is a mirror showing their own face as the culprit. 1kiki, you are so funny . . . in the head. Or maybe pretending to be. I sure hope you are a real Russia troll because it would be sad if you believe what you write as only an honest-to-God Trumptard does. Believing falsehoods with all their heart and soul is what makes them Trumptards and ruins their lives.

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Quote:

SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE isn't dumb. He's extremely inventive when it comes to Making Things Not His Fault. It's all Republican's fault. Everything is their fault. The rationalizations why this is so are endless! He was taught to be a righteous man but a) he can't change his past and 2) he likes his money too much. So instead of being a decent person, the best he can do is virtue signal that He Pays His Taxes.

It's pretty simple, really. He's a human being twisted by having killed people and too much money.

SECONDRATE: One thing I am confident of is that Trumptards can't imagine the future they unthinkingly create. I have seen their astonished look when the world crashes down on their heads. I saw that look when Trump lost. They were certain they had it all figured out! Here are a few paragraphs out of a much longer essay from Timothy Snyder about America's future, which will come crashing down on all our heads ... blah blah blah



Dood, Trump was in office for four years.
FOUR YEARS.

What our nation is suffering from is a construct many DECADES in the making. It took oligarchs and politicians [of both parties] DECADES to get us where we are today. And it will take DECADES to get us out of the mess that we're in.

This is not "Trump's" fault nor "Trumptards'" fault, it is the oligarchs' fault. YOUR fault.

We can't begin to fix our problems until we recognize what they are and who created them. Your blame-shifting is just delaying that moment.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that've you've deliberately dragged the thread off-topic many times already, hoping that nobody will notice that the "election reform bill" is a naked Democrat power-grab which should be killed. And if Manchin retains his principled stand, it will be.

I'm sure the DNC is putting lots of pressure on him and also offering plum committee assignments and/or money for his state. His is the single vote standing in the way of the DNC's lust for absolute power.

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Dood, Trump was in office for four years.
FOUR YEARS.

What our nation is suffering from is a construct many DECADES in the making. It took oligarchs and politicians [of both parties] DECADES to get us where we are today. And it will take DECADES to get us out of the mess that we're in.

This is not "Trump's" fault nor "Trumptards'" fault, it is the oligarchs' fault. YOUR fault.

We can't begin to fix our problems until we recognize what they are and who created them. Your blame-shifting is just delaying that moment.

The problem is not the system. It has always been Americans who can't think straight when placed under even the slightest pressure to make a proper decision about an important problem. People who would become Trumptards were the same people who were adamant about the necessity of fighting Communism in Vietnam. They were the same people who ran that war using the stupidest imaginable strategies every single day. Under stress, they got dumb and stayed that way. In peacetime I have seen a million times where Americans I know have their brains freeze up when stressed by events. Then they go and drink too much, smoke too much, eat too much, goof off too much, spend too much, as if that will fix what is wrong in their heads. It is not the system. It's the 75 million Americans who can't function rationally, with a modicum of self-control and commonsense, under any system. And the results have been bad for centuries and is likely to get worse as these people with mental problems demand the government run as badly as they run their day-to-day lives.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 7, 2021 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like talking to a child. A really dumb child.

It's a rare occasion that I can't visualize myself in somebody else's shoes, but after years of dealing with Second I've finally realized that my imagination is not capable of allowing myself even pretend for a moment to be as stupid as you'd need to be to hold a conversation with him.

I'd honestly get much further trying to have a conversation with somebody who only speaks Chinese without an interpreter in the room.

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SECONDRATE isn't dumb. He's extremely inventive when it comes to Making Things Not His Fault. It's all Republican's fault. Everything is their fault. The rationalizations why this is so are endless! He was taught to be a righteous man but a) he can't change his past and 2) he likes his money too much. So instead of being a decent person, the best he can do is virtue signal that He Pays His Taxes.

It's pretty simple, really. He's a human being twisted by having killed people and too much money.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.



He's a little boy.

Just like his gross sockpuppet was.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 2:54 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


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SIGNYM:
Dood, Trump was in office for four years.
FOUR YEARS.

What our nation is suffering from is a construct many DECADES in the making. It took oligarchs and politicians [of both parties] DECADES to get us where we are today. And it will take DECADES to get us out of the mess that we're in.

This is not "Trump's" fault nor "Trumptards'" fault, it is the oligarchs' fault. YOUR fault.

We can't begin to fix our problems until we recognize what they are and who created them. Your blame-shifting is just delaying that moment.

SECONDRATE: The problem is not the system.



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SECONDRATE: It has always been Americans who can't think straight when placed under even the slightest pressure to make a proper decision about an important problem.
Oh, kind of like you, when you volunteered for a useless war that was already winding down? Like that?

And,what does your post have to do with the election "reform" (aka naked Democrat power grab) bill anyway?

Oh, nothing, you say?

Just more shit with which to splatter this topic?

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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 6:14 PM

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I think Second would feel more at home with the retarded kids on Twitter.

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Monday, June 7, 2021 10:42 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Also, I couldn't help but notice that've you've deliberately dragged the thread off-topic many times already, hoping that nobody will notice that the "election reform bill" is a naked Democrat power-grab which should be killed. And if Manchin retains his principled stand, it will be.

I'm sure the DNC is putting lots of pressure on him and also offering plum committee assignments and/or money for his state. His is the single vote standing in the way of the DNC's lust for absolute power.

Joe Manchin’s Incoherent Case for Letting Republicans Destroy Democracy
The most powerful senator ties himself in knots.

What does Joe Manchin want? The inscrutable whims of the West Virginia senator and 50th Senate vote have always controlled the future of the Biden administration’s domestic agenda. As such, Manchin’s desires are the subject of daily speculation and the vessel into which his party has projected a mix of hope and rage.

It would be a relief of sorts if Manchin would simply tell us what he wants. The problem is that his statements frequently conflict with each other. (On infrastructure, he has alternatively demanded that the bill be enormous, that it be fully paid for, and obtain Republican support, all of which are individually difficult and collectively impossible.) His position on voting rights is, if anything, even less clear.

In an op-ed yesterday, Manchin laid out a series of propositions that purport to explain his position, but upon close inspection make it difficult to understand what he believes or wants.

The internal contradiction of Manchin’s position is summarized in the first two sentences. The first one establishes that the right to vote is fundamental: “The right to vote is fundamental to our American democracy and protecting that right should not be about party or politics.” But in the next line, he qualifies that this right can “never” be protected in a partisan fashion: “Least of all, protecting this right, which is a value I share, should never be done in a partisan manner.”

Here we have two values in conflict: the right to vote, and the evil of partisan voting laws. Manchin claims the first to be “fundamental,” but if he is unwilling to violate the second value to secure it, then it clearly isn’t.

More at https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/manchin-voting-rights-filibust
er-senate-john-lewis-democracy-vote-suppression.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 7, 2021 11:02 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


No one should miss this Mark Meadows story. No one.

In the final days of President Donald Trump’s time in office, his chief of staff sent five emails to the acting attorney general designed to pressure the nation’s top cop to investigate a series of ridiculous claims of election fraud in the 2020 election – among them that Italy had deployed technology that somehow switched votes from Trump to Joe Biden.

No, that sentence above isn’t parody although it reads like it. It is fact – first reported by The New York Times on Saturday and then confirmed by CNN. That actually happened. In the United States of America. In 2021 (and in late 2020).

What’s stunning to me is that this isn’t a bigger story.

Consider, again, what we are talking about: The top aide to the President of the United States tried to get the head of the Department of Justice to launch investigations into appallingly ridiculous election fraud claims solely because the aforementioned President couldn’t (and can’t) accept that he lost the 2020 election.

That these efforts came in the run-up to the violent insurrection at the US Capitol on January 6, which left more than 100 police officers injured and five people dead, make them all the more appalling. As Trump was publicly fomenting doubt in the election results – via a series of failed lawsuits and debunked conspiracy theories – his chief of staff was working privately to cajole the nation’s chief law enforcement official to resuscitate these fallacies in order to please Trump.

Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, got it right when he said Meadows’ pressure campaign “underscores the depths of the White House’s efforts to co-opt the department and influence the electoral vote certification. This is a five alarm fire for our democracy.”

Yes, it is!

www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/politics/mark-meadows-trump-doj-italygate/index
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 7, 2021 11:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Fraud election was a fraud.



But I do think it's funny that even though I believe 100% that the 2020 election was as sham, here I am bitching about our current president not even 0.01% as much as you bitched about Trump.



You are a sad little boy.

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Sunday, June 13, 2021 7:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


HR 1 is DEAD.

Even lefty shill "news" outfits are finally reporting the truth about that.



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