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During the thirty-fourth anniversary of Roe v. Wade, you heard a great deal about the victims of abortion. That phrase—for obvious reasons—nearly always referred to the tens of millions of unborn children who have been killed as the result of Roe.

But there is another group of victims whose plight receives much less attention: the women themselves. And the fault for this lack of attention can be laid at the feet of those who claim to be defending their “right to choose.”

A recent example of their plight is a study published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry. In it, researchers from New Zealand explored possible “linkages between unwanted pregnancy, abortion and long-term mental health.”

It is important to point out that David Fergusson, L. John Horwood, and Elizabeth Ridder were not setting out to prove that abortion is bad for women’s health. There’s no evidence, or even a suggestion, that they are partisans in the debates over abortion.

Instead, their goal was to either confirm or disprove previous studies that did find a link between having an abortion and things like “substance abuse, anxiety, hostility, low self-esteem, (and) depression.”

Using data from a longitudinal study of 25-year-olds in the Christchurch, New Zealand, area, they compared three groups of women: those who had never been pregnant, those who had been pregnant but had not had an abortion, and those who had had an abortion.

After controlling for factors such as socio-economic status and home life, they found “significant differences” between those who had had an abortion and those who had not. There were greater instances of depression, drug use, suicidal thoughts, and total mental health problems.

The authors concluded that their results were consistent “with the view that exposure to abortion was associated with increased risks of mental health problems”—the increases as much as 33 and 42 percent.

As I said, the authors were just looking for the facts. They are not partisans in the debate over abortion, but I am. So I will say what they did not: If some behavior or environmental factor increased people’s chances of serious health problems by more than a third, there would be outraged calls for regulation, or at the very minimum, they would demand adequate notice and warnings.

Any behavior but abortion, that is. As the authors of the study pointed out, theirs is but the most recent in a line of peer-reviewed studies that suggest that having an abortion is bad for a woman’s mental health.

Yet, giving that information to pregnant women is seen as an unacceptable infringement on their “right to choose.” It is the glaring exception to the overall trend today toward giving people more information—not less—about health risks.

Pro-abortionists apparently think that uninformed “choice” is the best kind. That makes their claim to be “pro-woman” ring hollow.

All of us ought to want women to know all the risks involved in having an abortion. They should know that there are two victims of what they are considering.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist or a team of psychiatrists to figure out that having your unborn child sucked out of you and buried is a traumatic, emotionally scarring process. I can't imagine anyone who does that and says, "Wheee!"

So this study goes into the no-shit category.

Also, even though they DIDN'T make a study of women who weren't prepared for a child and had one anyway- I'm willing to bet it's a traumatic, emotionally scarring process. One which breeds resentment, antagonism, and depression for years at least, and possibly the remainder of a woman's life.

Give me a PHD!

Fact is, there's nothing fun about either option. Neither option is going to be an amusement park ride.

That having been said, I don't want to see women dying in backshop clinics with coat hangers up their twats. I also don't want to see a woman forced to have a baby when the government isn't prepared to provide complete and adequate care for every unwanted pregnancy that occurs.

So I think we'll let the law stand as is, and God can sort it out with his infinite wisdom when the time comes.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
No time limit...we got 8 months 30 days...ok!

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey ShinyEd,

Do you work at being a douche bag or is it natural?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is a really stupid study.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And studies show 99% of all dead people do not excersize regularly.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Shiny"Ed,

and factually to posters who aren't jackass trolls. :

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America markets abortion like vendors at the stadium ( 2nd largest advertiser in Yellow Pages ) Hey... Abortion ! Abortion ! Abortion !

Hey...get your red-hot abortion here!

No waiting...come on in today...baby-free tonite!
No guilt...for what? You only had sex...pshaw!!!
No money...Uncle Sam will pay the tab, no worries mate
No boyfriend/husband...been foolin' 'round?...we no care who the seed donor was
No scruples...you had good reasons to fuck
No morals...well you are over 8...so all is good
No clue who's the proud papa...we luv orgies' by-products
No idea when....we yank it whenever it was made
No age limit...40-90 our specialty...just one shot of our special clamato juice fixes ya right up
No age too low...we won't tell your mommy & daddy...dont worry
No self-esteem....hey now your'e popular I bet
No ability to say no...better to just let the boys get their way...why resist the fun?
No time limit...we got 8 months 30 days...ok!
We got 'em with mustouches and goatees....Hey
Hey...Abortions !hey..Abortions !..Get your Abortions here!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And studies show 99% of all dead people do not excersize regularly.

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And the missing 1% must have been the studies' margin of error. That means it might also only be 98% who don't exercise! Stop twisting the facts, Chris!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
That having been said, I don't want to see women dying in backshop clinics with coat hangers up their twats. I also don't want to see a woman forced to have a baby when the government isn't prepared to provide complete and adequate care for every unwanted pregnancy that occurs.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Shiny"Ed, and factually to posters who aren't jackass trolls. :

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey ShinyEd,

Do you work at being a douche bag or is it natural?

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Originally posted by Causal:
I suppose suggesting that women who don't want babies should either use effective birth-control or just not have sex is probably not going to get much of a hearing.

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Originally posted by Causal:
I suppose suggesting that women who don't want babies should either use effective birth-control or just not have sex is probably not going to get much of a hearing.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
That or some scared teenager dies in childbirth alone. I'm not exaggerating. Probably the most famous case here was Anne Lovett, a 15 year old girl who died on the 31st of January 1984. She'd gone to a "grotto" (an outdoor Catholic shrine to the Virgin Mary) and died of exposure and bleeding, along with her baby, after four hours in the cold and the rain.

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I suppose suggesting that women who don't want babies should either use effective birth-control or just not have sex is probably not going to get much of a hearing.

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Originally posted by rue:
"I just know the abortion activists are hands down, the nuttiest people in the 'verse."

You're right. They go around bombing clinics, sending terrorist threats and shooting people. They're that nutty. Oh wait! I thought you said antiabortion activists! My bad.

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That or some scared teenager dies in childbirth alone. I'm not exaggerating. Probably the most famous case here was Anne Lovett, a 15 year old girl who died on the 31st of January 1984. She'd gone to a "grotto" (an outdoor Catholic shrine to the Virgin Mary) and died of exposure and bleeding, along with her baby, after four hours in the cold and the rain.

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Of course she deserved it, dirty sinners, dirty sinners all.

Thankfully there are people who have some compassion and don't judge because they have little real experince of life outside of the sheltered upbringing they assume everyone got...

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The thread was titled "abortion"....very simple...I gave my opinions through my post. If the dolt responding to it doesn't have the slightest scintilla of a clue as to the nature of my post it's not my problem.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
None of those options takes from the fact that unwanted pregnancy happens, and when it happens it has to be dealt with. I'm not saying abortion is always the right answer. What I'm saying is that it has to be a legal option. Because the reality is that if it isn't it just becomes an illegal one.

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Originally posted by rue:
I have a challenge for you. Come up with one - ONE - valid study that backs up any one of your notions.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Shiny"Ed,

As you see by my other post I reply very nicely and factually to posters who aren't jackass trolls.

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I'll certainly admit to bein a jackass, so for that do I get a...

(wait for it)

Half-ass response ? -F

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According to you "Unfortunately, little smart-assed twits who think they're intelligent think they can just bully and name-call whoever they want to attack...or "whoever they deem a troll". People like that...armed with their little half-facts, their little links to obscure writing, and their obviously limited life experience, etc. make me just wanna vomit." -Ed

Yes, this is the antithesis of all you deem objectionable.-Rue

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Fixed it. I've been drinking and playing on the net again..........

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Thankfully there are people who have some compassion and don't judge because they have little real experince of life outside of the sheltered upbringing they assume everyone got...

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I have to admit, my first reaction to the birth control/don't have sex comment was a pretty sarcastic "Oh, gee! I never thought of that!" Which is bitchy I know, but seriously, there are very few women who choose a painful procedure that has a risk of pretty nasty complications over the pill, or asking the guy to wear a condom. And that's leaving aside the whole don't-bother-having-sex-in-the-first-place thing. None of those options takes from the fact that unwanted pregnancy happens, and when it happens it has to be dealt with. I'm not saying abortion is always the right answer. What I'm saying is that it has to be a legal option. Because the reality is that if it isn't it just becomes an illegal one.

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Thankfully there are people who have some compassion and don't judge because they have little real experince of life outside of the sheltered upbringing they assume everyone got...

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Easy, now. It's possible to have compassion and not judge and still be against abortion. It's also possible to have real-world experience and an unsheltered upbringing and still be against abortion.

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Undoubtedly many of the great evils of our times have been committed because the cries of the victims were not heard—not heard by those who sat by, comfortably ignorant of the horrors around them. In early nineteenth-century England, few citizens had any real understanding that the lump of sugar they dropped in their afternoon tea was made at the high price of human bondage. The screams of men and women branded or whipped on West Indies sugar plantations were not heard in the fashionable parlors of England. Not until, that is, the great Christian statesman William Wilberforce launched his crusade against the slave trade.

Today, some two hundred years later, there are victims whose agony our ears will never hear. These are the unborn victims of abortion.

While the unborn do not have a voice to scream, science tells us that by twenty weeks a child in the womb is capable of feeling pain. Dr. Sunny Anand, director of the Pain Neurobiology Laboratory at Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, testified before Congress and said: “The pain perceived by a fetus is possibly more intense than that perceived by term newborns or older children . . . the highest density of pain receptors per square inch of skin in human development occurs in utero from twenty to thirty weeks gestation.” Sobering testimony.

To make matters worse, the biological mechanisms that inhibit the experience of pain do not begin to develop until weeks thirty to thirty-two.

Yet ironically, an unborn child has less legal protection from feeling pain than commercial livestock. In a slaughterhouse, a method of slaughter is deemed legally humane only if, as the hundred-year-old law states, “all animals are rendered insensible to pain . . . ” By contrast, D&E abortions, performed as late as twenty-four weeks, involve the dismemberment of the unborn child by a pair of sharp metal forceps. Instillation methods of abortion replace up to one cup of amniotic fluid with concentrated salt solution, which the unborn child inhales as the salt burns his or her skin. The child lives in this condition up to an hour.

These things are uncomfortable to hear and to speak about. That is precisely the point. We should not be comfortable in a society where such things exist and where we have the power to influence change. The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act is scheduled to be re-introduced into this Congress. This legislation would require that women seeking abortions are fully informed of the pain that their unborn baby feels when he or she is aborted twenty weeks or more after fertilization. If that knowledge does not deter the mother in what has come to be reduced to a mere “choice,” she must be offered the opportunity to give the unborn child drugs to ease his or her pain.

Pro-abortion advocates dreadfully fear this legislation. It brings to light the difficult questions they do not want to confront, like why livestock have more rights than an unborn child. Questions like these, like the cries of victims, are hard to forget once they have shaken us from the comfort of our parlor chairs.

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http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/294/8/947
"Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."

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