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Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:18 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:A 2001 survey directed by Dr. Ariela Keysar for the City University of New York indicated that, amongst the more than 100 categories of response, "no religious identification" had the greatest increase in population in both absolute and percentage terms. This category included atheists, agnostics, humanists, and others with no theistic religious beliefs or practices. Figures are up from 14.3 million in 1990 to 34.2 million in 2008, representing a proportionate increase from 8% of the total in 1990 to 15% in 2008. Another nation-wide study puts the figure of unaffiliated persons at 16.1%. In a 2006 nationwide poll, University of Minnesota researchers found that despite an increasing acceptance of religious diversity, atheists were generally distrusted by other Americans, who rated them below Muslims, recent immigrants and other minority groups in "sharing their vision of American society". They also associated atheists with undesirable attributes such as criminal behavior, rampant materialism, and cultural elitism. However, the same study also reported that "The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to one's exposure to diversity, education and political orientation--with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts."
Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:31 AM
PHOENIXROSE
You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.
Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:09 PM
Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:17 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I was just curious as to what other thought about this...
Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:27 PM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:45 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Friday, March 18, 2011 7:41 AM
Friday, March 18, 2011 7:57 AM
BLUEHANDEDMENACE
Friday, March 18, 2011 8:27 AM
BYTEMITE
Friday, March 18, 2011 8:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite:
Friday, March 18, 2011 8:49 AM
Friday, March 18, 2011 2:45 PM
Friday, March 18, 2011 2:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I guess I'd have to answer to "quasi-buddhist", too, given I don't accept all the tenants of buddhism.
Friday, March 18, 2011 4:27 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: I doubt the data. I know of none off the top of my head, and I'm really trying.
Friday, March 18, 2011 8:54 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace: Atheists and fundamental christians are far less different than each group would likely believe... After all, Christians only disbelieve one more religion than atheists... I cant think of the author offhand, but an amazing book on this subject was referred to me by my father. Its called The God Delusion. Does a fantatstic job of exploring why people hold the beliefs they do, and why religion ultimately makes no sense.
Saturday, March 19, 2011 6:11 AM
Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:03 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:49 AM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace: Atheists and fundamental christians are far less different than each group would likely believe... After all, Christians only disbelieve one more religion than Atheists... I cant think of the author offhand, but an amazing book on this subject was referred to me by my father. Its called The God Delusion. Does a fantatstic job of exploring why people hold the beliefs they do, and why religion ultimately makes no sense.
Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I'm atheist, and my (non)belief is as reliable as the tides. Tide comes in, tide goes out; never a miscommunication. ;) I know lots of Christians; I know a few Jewish people - some by heritage, one by faith; I know a Muslim couple, and a whole lot of agnostics, a few pagans, a Buddhist or two, and several atheists. For the most part, they're all just folks.
Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace: After all, Christians only disbelieve one more religion than atheists...
Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:41 PM
Saturday, March 19, 2011 5:10 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I mean really, if you saw someone in school praying to Pan or Loki, wouldn't you think them rather silly?
Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:25 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: The communism of communist states has a parallel in theocracy. There are a number of beliefs in Iran that cloak themselves as Islam, because it's the state religion. *Officially* other religions are tolerated, and the govt. makes token efforts to prove that, but we all know this is nonsense, and that if you want to get anywhere, you have to be a muslim. Shi'a, And so there are many variants of this religion that are actually other religions.
Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:23 AM
Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:43 AM
Quote:I'm atheist, and my (non)belief is as reliable as the tides. Tide comes in, tide goes out; never a miscommunication. ;)
Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:28 AM
Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:37 AM
Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:13 PM
Monday, March 21, 2011 4:14 AM
Monday, March 21, 2011 4:31 AM
Monday, March 21, 2011 5:59 AM
Monday, March 21, 2011 7:22 AM
HARDWARE
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote:I'm atheist, and my (non)belief is as reliable as the tides. Tide comes in, tide goes out; never a miscommunication. ;)Nice one, Mike. I also agree about the silliness---to me---of people praying to a god, which to me is no different than praying to ANY “god” throughout history. Thanx for the book suggestions, I’ll have to look into those. It’s always amazed me how people can be so blind and ignorant about clinging to their religion, and not recognize ANY of the contradictions or irrationality of those who they believe unquestioningly. I've got nothing against FAITH, especially if it gives people comfort or helps them become more decent human beings. But I don't see that holding true unilaterally (or even necessarily in the majority)in ANY religion.
Monday, March 21, 2011 7:59 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Monday, March 21, 2011 10:53 AM
Quote:I've noticed atheists get thin on the ground when incoming rounds get thick.
Monday, March 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hardware: I've noticed atheists get thin on the ground when incoming rounds get thick. Not that I worry about the state of other people's souls. I've never believed in forcing religion on people. If they want it, they know where to find it.
Quote:Wulfie posted: Evangelical Atheists annoy the hell out of me.
Monday, March 21, 2011 2:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I checked the "copyright" thing, Rose, and it looks normal to me. If anyone else gets something weird from my posts, please speak up and I'll try to fix it. Never had "carryover" problems on v.1, and the colors always seemed okay...I had trouble with the colors in v.2, but I thought I got it fixed. Sigh... Hardware:Quote:I've noticed atheists get thin on the ground when incoming rounds get thick. If I could make heads or tails of that statement, I might be able to reply to it. If you're saying atheists are on thin ground, what "thick" rounds do you mean? I'm not an atheist, by the way, tho' you chose to quote me; the closest you could say was I'm an "agnostic"; I do believe there's an interconnectedness, and maybe some "force" behind it. I just don't believe in a patriarchal figure who's listening to everyone and judging our lives.
Monday, March 21, 2011 3:34 PM
Quote:I had trouble with the colors in v.2, but I thought I got it fixed.
Monday, March 21, 2011 6:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: The /font tags don't seem to work for me.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:46 AM
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:12 AM
THEHAPPYTRADER
Quote:The foxhole-conversion things is ridiculous...the idea that people suddenly "get religion" in war doesn't cut it for me; do they keep it once the war is over? Isn't that pure selfishness, to suddenly start praying to a god 'cuz you're scared? I've been in some tight spots, never occurred to me to pray to anyone. I would think those who suddenly get religion in foxholes haven't actually changed, they're just scared...there's quite enough of the other kind of fear in religions, I don't know why any real Christians would want converts that way!
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:19 PM
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I really believe what I believe, so you must be happy for me! :)
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:49 PM
QUESTIONABLEQUESTIONALITY
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:43 PM
LILI
Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:08 PM
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Actually, while the atheist-foxhole thing has been about as debunked as ever possible, one amusing parallel to it is the Saturday morning hangover and worshipping the round ceramic altar of Bacchus.... And making deals with god, any god, if they'll only get you out of this. And they don't, right ? BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU LIE!!!! *laughs maniacally* Sorry, hadda do it. -F
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:16 AM
Quote:The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system, but religion differs from private belief in that it has a public aspect. Most religions have organized behaviors, including clerical hierarchies, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, congregations of laity, regular meetings or services for the purposes of veneration of a deity or for prayer, holy places (either natural or architectural), and/or scriptures. The practice of a religion may also include sermons, commemoration of the activities of a god or gods, sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trance, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.
Quote: The statement "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism used to argue that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as when participating in warfare, all people will believe in or hope for a higher power. The religious convictions of current U.S. military personnel are similar to that of the general American population, though the military are slightly less religious. Though the term is occasionally used to incorrectly imply that all soldiers in combat are "converted" while under fire it is most commonly only used to emphasise the belief of the sayer that many people tend to seek out a divine power when they are facing an extreme threat. The Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers, an atheist organization, opposes the use of this phrase. They have adopted the catchphrase of "Atheists in Foxholes" to emphasize that the original statement is just an aphorism and not a statistical fact. James Morrow has been quoted as saying "'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes." The quote is also referenced when discussing the opposite effect — that warfare will cause some soldiers to question their existing belief in a God due to the death and violence around them. A number of prominent individuals have been both atheists and combat veterans. During the coverage of his death and subsequent cryonic suspension, Baseball Hall of Famer and combat fighter pilot Ted Williams was reported to be an atheist by his former teammate Johnny Pesky. Richard Tillman, in giving the eulogy for his brother, former NFL player and soldier Pat Tillman, stated that Tillman "wasn't religious.". Tillman's atheism is also confirmed in a documentary about his life. In his 1988 book "Intellectuals," Paul Johnson states that writer and World War I veteran[18] Ernest Hemingway "not only did not believe in God but regarded organized religion as a menace to human happiness." Philip Paulson, plaintiff in several of the lawsuits in the Mount Soledad cross controversy, was an atheist Vietnam combat veteran. Joe Simpson, author of the book Touching The Void, explicitly addresses the issue in the film adaptation of his nearly fatal climb of the Siula Grande mountain. Referring to the moment he lay at the bottom of a deep crevasse, dehydrated, alone and with a broken leg, he states: '"I was totally convinced I was on my own, that no one was coming to get me. I was brought up as a devout Catholic. I'd long since stopped believing in God. I always wondered if things really hit the fan, whether I would, under pressure, turn round and say a few Hail Marys and say 'Get me out of here'. It never once occurred to me. It meant that I really don't believe and I really do think that when you die, you die, that's it, there's no afterlife." The Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers maintains a list of over 200 of its members who choose to publicly show their service and to show that there are atheists in foxholes, on ships, and in planes. The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Madison, Wisconsin, based organization, has erected a monument to "Atheists in Foxholes" because of its opposition to the statement of "no atheists in foxholes." The monument readsQuote:In memory of ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES and the countless FREETHINKERS who have served this country with honor and distinction. Presented by the national Freedom From Religion Foundation with hope that in the future humankind may learn to avoid all war.”
Quote:In memory of ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES and the countless FREETHINKERS who have served this country with honor and distinction. Presented by the national Freedom From Religion Foundation with hope that in the future humankind may learn to avoid all war.”
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:10 AM
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