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How the GOP got Catholicized (and Santorum's Dennis Terry)

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Friday, March 23, 2012 5:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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There was a time when the Republican Party was strictly for White Anglo Saxon Protestants. It was an alliance between Country Club Episcopalians and twice born followers of the Old Time Gospel, all firmly opposed to mass Catholic immigration from Europe. The nativism of the GOP drove Catholics into the welcoming arms of Al Smith, Jack Kennedy, Tip O'Neill and the Democratic Party.

But this year's GOP front-runners are a Mormon and two Catholics -- Rick Santorum (a cradle of Italian descent) and Newt Gingrich (a convert). Roughly one-quarter of Republican primary voters are Catholic. Notable Catholic GOP leaders include John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Christine O'Donnell, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush. Six out of nine justices of the Supreme Court are Catholics, and five of them are Republicans.

The GOP is undergoing a quiet process of Catholicization. It's one of the reasons why this year's race has focused so much on social issues -- and sex

Republican outreach to Catholics began in the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon tried to entice blue-collar "white ethnics" to the GOP by taking a tough stand on abortion. Nixon told members of his staff he was tempted to convert to Catholicism himself, but was worried it would be seen as cheap politics: "They would say there goes Tricky Dick Nixon trying to win the Catholic vote. ..."

Nixon genuinely admired the Catholic intellectual tradition and its ability to provide reasonable arguments to defend conservative values at a time when they were undergoing widespread reappraisal. That certainly made the Church an invaluable partner during the culture wars of the 1980s and 1990s.

When the Moral Majority was established in 1979 to oppose things like abortion and homosexual rights, its evangelical founders did their best to include Catholics. Despite the organization's reputation for being the political voice box of televangelists and peddlers of the apocalypse, by the mid '80s it drew a third of its funding from Catholic donors. Leaders like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson consciously used the Moral Majority (and, later, the Christian Coalition) as an exercise in ecumenical coalition building.

Falwell and Robertson were fans of Pope John Paul II and his resilient anti-communism. But they also recognized, like Nixon, that the Catholic Church had a vast intellectual heritage that could be drawn upon when fighting the liberals. For example, when debating abortion, evangelicals had hitherto tended to rely on Scripture to make their case. Catholics, on the other hand, had been integrating the concept of "human rights" into their theology since the 1890s.

Under Catholic influence, the pro-life movement evolved from a zealous, theology-heavy rationale to one more couched in the language of human dignity and personhood.

By 2000, Catholic social teaching was a core component of the Republican Party's "compassionate conservatism" agenda. Karl Rove targeted religious Catholics on behalf of George W. Bush, while the president made a big play of his social traditionalism. In the 2004 election, Bush beat John Kerry among Catholics, despite the fact that Kerry described himself as a faithful Catholic who never went anywhere without his rosary beads.

Crucially, Bush's victory among Catholics was made possible by his margin of support among those who attend Mass regularly. Catholics who said they rarely went to church plumped for Kerry. The election heralded a new split within the politics of the communion, between religious and ethnic Catholics. Indeed, it could be argued that just as Republican Protestants have become a little more Catholic in their outlook, so conservative Catholics have become a little more Protestant in theirs.

Take Rick Santorum. Santorum is part of the John Paul II generation of Catholics who reject most of the liberalism that swept the church in the 1960s. He is a member of a suburban church in Great Falls, Virginia, that (unusually, nowadays) offers a Latin Mass each Sunday with a Georgian chant sung by a professional choir.

The church has a "garden for the unborn" and has boasted as worshipers the director of the FBI, the head of the National Rifle Association and Justice Antonin Scalia. Santorum is also an outspoken admirer of Saint Josemaria Escriva, the founder of the conservative lay organization Opus Dei. Opus Dei encourages among its members a work ethic and an effort to "live like a saint" that is strikingly similar to the values and mores of New England's Puritan settlers.

Santorum's political theology has thus moved him so sharply to the right that it's sometimes difficult to culturally identify him as a Catholic. In a March 18 survey, less than half of GOP Catholics actually knew the candidate was himself a Catholic. That might be one of the reasons why Santorum consistently loses to Romney among Catholics in primaries, even during his landmark victories in the Deep South. In contrast, he does very well among evangelicals.

We might speculate that what is emerging is an alliance between ultra-conservative Catholics and tea party evangelicals. Its politics might be antediluvian, but it's an ecumenical breakthrough and a cultural revolution at the grass-roots level.

The coalition's mix of Catholic moral teaching and evangelical fervor has oriented the 2012 GOP race toward furious social conservatism. During the debate over Obama's contraception mandate, it was the Catholic conservative leadership who provided the moral objection, but the evangelicals who produced most of the popular opposition to it. And it is evangelical support that has elevated Santorum to his current status in the race. With its ability to shift the agenda and win primaries, the emerging Catholic/evangelical political theology is the most striking conservative innovation of this turbulent campaign season. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/opinion/stanley-conservatives-catholics/
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Preacher Dennis Terry of the Greenwell Springs Baptist Church introduced GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum at a campaign rally recently, as preachers are sometimes wont to do for Christian candidates attempting to appeal to a certain voting demographic.

Terry is tired, he told his audience, of not being able to say that the United States is a nation founded on Christian principles. He is tired of not being able to pray in public. “Listen to me,” he continued. “If you don’t love America and you don’t like the way we do things, I have one thing to say… GET OUT!”

“We don’t worship Buddha!” he yelled. “I said we don’t worship Buddha, we don’t worship Mohammed. We don’t worship Allah. We worship God. We worship God’s son Jesus Christ.”

“The church needs to be the conscience of the nation,” he added, before denouncing abortion and same-sex marriage. The solution to curbing these? “Put God back in our state house,” he advised.

Santorum is seen in the crowd, clapping. So. Does clapping equal approval? Agreement? Why would a politician running for the role of president of the United States of America choose to attend an event overseen by someone who 1) publicly and proudly stats that he believes Christianity is the only acceptable belief system in the U.S. and 2) denounces the separation of church and state?

The question of the company one keeps — be it a Harvard professor or a charismatic preacher — continues to pop up, and will likely continue to as long as politicians keep steadfastly doing or saying or appearing to endorse (failing to formally denounce) practices and beliefs that may be at odds with the public image they’re trying to project.

Santorum has run into trouble with this same issue before, most notably after having said that JFK’s speech about separating his role as leader from his own Catholic faith — a religion the two men share — made him “want to throw up.” He later expressed regret over the comment, adding that “I’m not a theocrat I’m not someone who has any evidence anywhere that I’ve ever imposed my values. I have values; I articulate those — as I encourage everybody else to do and respect everybody else’s opinion and difference of opinion.” http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pastor-dennis-terry-introduces-rick-santoru
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Scary man. If you want to see for yourself, hold onto your hats:



I can't watch the whole thing, my stomach started roiling pretty quickly. And someone should tell this freak that we don't "worship" buddha...not that it would make one scintilla of difference to his rabid mentality.

Is this where we're headed if Santorum were to (gawd forbid!) win the Presidency?

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Friday, March 23, 2012 6:10 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

The best way to explain the Buddha thing to a Republican is like this...

You don't worship Reagan, but you strongly approve of his ideals and philosophy, his accomplishments, and the legacy he left to the world.

We feel the same way about Buddha.

(Remember that you are trying to relate to someone, here, so it's not important that YOU believe Reagan was a force for good and wisdom. Merely that they do, and so they can relate to the difference between a deity and a leader/teacher-figure from the past.)

--Anthony



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Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 7:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I get what you're saying, Anthony, but the point is, HE WOULDN'T CARE! Listening to his ravings make me sick, and of course the favorite Republican chant does the same: "If you don't like it, GET OUT!"

This man represents the very worst of what Santorum stands for. Obama had the same problem with his preacher, and Romney has said he didn't applaud during some of Terry's speech, but he didn't renounce it, either. It's the "religionization" of America that scares me most, and Santorum epitomizes it. Very scary.

Not to mention the lies Terry came out with. NONE of what he claims is happening, or would happen; but you can bet your booties that if he, or others like him, got power, they WOULD do what they say.



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Saturday, March 24, 2012 1:39 PM

OONJERAH



Problem is, we so often hear Buddhism refered to as a religion instead of a philosophy.

Some but not all of our founding fathers were Christians. Some Christian principles are
in the Constituion & are the law of the land. However, such principles are not exclusive
to Christianity.

The founding fathers were close enough in time to the colonial era. They were familiar
with two facts:
1. Many people came to America seeking freedom of religion after suffering religious
persecution in Europe. Yet once they had their freedom, they denied it to others and
tried to push their religion as the law of the land instead of English law.

2. There were a number of hot fought squabbles among colonists over this issue. Finally,
separation of church and state became a very popular idea in the colonies. It was also
abundantly clear that this must be a law, not just a principle.

My own opinion is, if they can and do declare the US a Christian nation ... gee whiz!
Christians can't agree on anything. It'll just start a Civil War.


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Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Parties shift over time. For instance lots of slave owning southerners were democrats, but now adays that isn't something any democrats would be in favor of. Back in the 50s there didn't seem to be much difference between democrats and republicans, at least not near as much as their is today. JFK would probably be considered a conservative today if he did the same stuff he did when he was president, give or take a few things. The unfortunate thing is that the parties are all the same in one way, they're both in bed with corporations and they're both corrupt and they both are full of politicians that are hard for the everyman to relate to and get behind.

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