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Monday, June 19, 2017 9:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?

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Russia Halts Cooperation With US In Syria, Will "Intercept Any Aircraft" In Russian Areas Of Operation

Shortly after Russia's deputy foreign minister slammed the US downing of a Syrian Su-22 jet as an "act of aggression" and "support for terrorists", Russia announced that starting June 19 it was halting all interactions with the US under the framework on the "memorandum of incident prevention in Syrian skies", the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday, thereby assuring the probability of even more deadly escalations between Russia and the US-led coalition.

In retaliation, the ministry warned that Russian missile defense will intercept any aircraft in the area of operations of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria,

"In areas where Russian aviation is conducting combat missions in the Syrian skies, any flying ojects, including jets and unmanned aerial vehicles of the international coalition discovered west of the Euphrates River will be followed by Russian air and ground defenses as air targets," the Russian Defense Ministry announced, quoted by Sputnik.

Contrary to the earlier statement by the US according to which, it "contacted its Russian counterparts by telephone via an established "de-confliction line" to de-escalate the situation and stop the firing", Russia claims the US-led coalition command didn't use the deconfliction channel with Russia to avoid an incident during an operation in Raqqa:

"Russian Aerospace Forces' jets were conducting operations in Syrian airspace that time. However, the command of the coalition forces didn't use the existing channel between the air command of the Qatari airbase al Udeid and the [Russian] Hmeymim airbase to avoid incidents over Syria."

The Russian ministry also "demands a thorough investigation by the US command with the provision of its results and measures taken."

"We consider such actions of the US command as an intentional violation of its obligations in the framework of the memo on avoiding incidents and the safety of aviation flights during operations in Syria signed on October 20, 2015."

A bilateral memorandum of understanding was signed between the United States and Russia signed in October 2015 to ensure the safety of flights during combat missions over Syria.

On June 18, the Syrian army said that the US-led coalition had brought down its aircraft in southern Raqqa countryside when it was fulfilling its mission against Daesh. Later, the coalition confirmed the attack saying that it shot down the Syrian government forces' Su-22 aircraft as it had allegedly been bombing in an area where US-backed rebel forces, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), were stationed, south of Tabqa in the Raqqa province. The US-led coalition called its attack on the Syrian army's jet "collective self-defense," adding that it contacted the Russian military to de-escalate the situation after the incident.




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Monday, June 19, 2017 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?



Look who's hysterical.

Naw. Just like "Hillary is going to start WWIII!!!" it's a bogus premise. All thinking people have all agreed, that benefits no one. WWs are so "last century."

Unless you're worried about Trump doing something crazy...

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Monday, June 19, 2017 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe this is what all of that anti-Russian hysteria has been building up to ... direct war against Russia in a place that means nothing to us! YAY!!!

That's what you've been angling for all along, isn't it?

Trump is your man. You picked him for President. If he wanted, he could stop the USA from shooting down Russian planes. Why does he not give the command? Is it because he is not who you believed he was at election time?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!

I had to look up your meaning of "kettling Trump":
Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area.

Signym's description of Hillary "kettling Trump" does not describe what Trump has done. Trump sent the planes to Syria without sending with the pilots his command that Russians must not be shot out of the sky. That's all Trump's fault for not thinking and not commanding.

I look forward to Trump correcting his error very soon by commanding the USA to protect Russian planes and pilots, in the air and on the ground.

When a US pilot is looking at a plane on radar or visually from a mile away, there is no way to tell if it is a Syrian plane made in Russia or Russian plane. Nor is it possible to know if the pilot is a Syrian or a Russian. Trump needs to take that into consideration when he issues his command to US pilots, hopefully today, to not shoot down Russians. Trump has to hurry before Russians start shooting down US planes.

Russia threatens to treat U.S. coalition aircraft as targets over Syria
www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-threatens-to-treat-us-coalition-ai
rcraft-as-targets-over-syria/2017/06/19/95e87428-54ca-11e7-9e18-968f6ad1e1d3_story.html

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Is it because he is not who you believed he was at election time?



This is exactly what she was hoping for - chaos! Tear it all down so we can start again!

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, this is only what Hillary and the deep state have wanted all along. And they've been kettling Trump in this direction ever since he was elected.

So be happy!

You'll get your wish!



Because for why would they want that?

And you need to capitalize Deep State when you use it, ya loonie peasant!

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Monday, June 19, 2017 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?

Where is your explanation for why Trump has not yet given the command to US pilots not to shoot down Russian made planes over Syria? Is Trump unaware that he is President and what his responsibilities are?

Blaming Hillary, as Signym has already done, is not an explanation. Signym writing "Troll", "predictable" and "boring" does not justify Trump's lack of foresight in his Syrian policy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Where is your explanation for why Trump has not yet given the command to US pilots not to shoot down Russian made planes over Syria? Is Trump unaware that he is President and what his responsibilities are?

Blaming Hillary, as Signym has already done, is not an explanation. Signym writing "Troll", "predictable" and "boring" does not justify Trump's lack of foresight in his Syrian policy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Second: until Signym comes up with a witty answer (which will be never because she hasn't got a real one) let me try:
Trump has no control over himself or anyone. The Deep State & Hillary have the Trump remote control. We were all correct to think the election was rigged. Hillary & Co. let him become president to make his people happy and allow them to control his hollow shell via dark magic and super advanced wifi she runs from a server in her basement via her smartphone.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:31 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?



Plagiarism! You prove my point perfectly, thx.

So - after you answer Second do try this one on:

Why would Hillary and The Deep State want WWIII?

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by G:

Second: until Signym comes up with a witty answer (which will be never because she hasn't got a real one) . . .

This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.

It is yet another sign of the US getting directly involved in Syria’s Civil war and not just the campaign to defeat ISIS in the country. It’s a major step for the US to take, and it’s unclear what Trump is trying to accomplish in Syria.

It is Trump's job to publicly clarify what he is doing in Syria and I see none. Doesn't he know the Presidency is more than a full time job? He needs to work at least 6 days a week, 11 hours a day, and he should stop watching so much TV during work hours. He even tweets about TV.

Trump's daily schedule www.whitehouse.gov/1600daily
Not much happens that does the USA any good.

Trump squints. He is 71, his eyesight is going, he needs to wear bifocals, despite his vanity, when he reads from a Teleprompter.


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Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?

Trump has not answered the questions about what he is trying to accomplish in Syria. Overthrow its President? Start a war with Russia? What? He can't give a coherent answer and he can't blame anyone but himself for his not talking sensibly about his policy for Syria, leaving it for the Pentagon to decide. That never has worked out well for the USA in the past, but maybe Trump is hoping that this time will be different. The Cuban Missile Crisis would have ended in WWIII if Kennedy had let General Curtis LeMay make the decisions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

This is now the fourth time within a month that the US has struck pro-Assad forces, and the first time the US brought down a Syrian military plane since the war’s start. And in this instance, the goal was to protect US-backed fighters — not to defend actual US troops.
Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.

By international law, that makes the US an aggressor nation.


My god - all of you jackasses are parroting the US propaganda line. Haven't you learned by now that they're lying to you?




Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Speaking of parrots ^

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:58 AM

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Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.




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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Zzzz - you're back top being a boring, predictable contrarian. Don't they teach you any creative writing at Troll School?



Plagiarism! You prove my point perfectly, thx.

So - after you answer Second do try this one on:

Why would Hillary and The Deep State want WWIII?

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Syria has NOT given permission for the US military to operate on Syrian territory or in Syrian airspace.






Ray Liotta is one scary mofo!

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:55 AM

KPO


Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:30 AM

6STRINGJOKER


We'll see how it all plays out. I'm on board with your prediction KPO.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:06 AM

SIGNYM

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Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:43 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.




Funny, when I did a page search for the word "intelligence" the results were: "not found."

Anyway... this thread reminded me of how gracious you were to inform us of what the word "intelligence" meant - phew! Care to exercise that meaning on the question you keep avoiding, er not answering: "Why would the Deep State & Hillary and Cop want WWIII with Russia?"

G'head, take a swing.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:15 AM

RIVERLOVE



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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NICE CLIP, RIVERLOVE, BUT IF I WERE GSTRING I'D ACCUSE YOU OF "DEFLECTION"!

Meanwhile ...

Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our (their) economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.


-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
NICE CLIP, RIVERLOVE, BUT IF I WERE GSTRING I'D ACCUSE YOU OF "DEFLECTION"!



Which means you are defecting - see how easy it is to read you?

RLove is spot on. You on the other hand... are no longer docked on a stable platform.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile ...

Because being the world's biggest aggressor has worked for them for the past 60 years, and they haven't figured out that this is no longer 1955?

Because they really think they can get in a successful first strike?

Because they'll make a crap-ton of money, and/or gain a crap-ton of power?

Because they believe their own propaganda?

Because they really don't care whether a lot of the 99-percenters die?

Because they have their own rideouts prepared in New Zealand, which they plan to access in their own private jets?

Because they've miscalculated, and assume that Russia will back down, again?

Yanno, nobody ever said these people were good at long-term planning, or were even sane. Hell, just look at the hash that the wealthy have made of our (their) economy. They're not even responding to their own long-term interests. The people most likely to get ahead in our system are sociopaths; that's what they bring to the table.




As I have said, military conquest is so last century. You are attempting your usual paper thin misdirection. Recent Russian hacking has shown us the future of war. Infrastructure is intact, systems can be easily restored, roads are drivable, people can get back to work. Digital blackmail is the new nuke. Why not? As I have also said, Russia's hackers are world class, just like their whores.

We're screwing around with President Creamsicle, while China and Russia are working the cutting edge.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

HOW AN ENTIRE NATION BECAME RUSSIA'S TEST LAB FOR CYBERWAR

The clocks read zero when the lights went out.
It was a Saturday night last December, and Oleksii Yasinsky was sitting on the couch with his wife and teenage son in the living room of their Kiev apartment. The 40-year-old Ukrainian cybersecurity researcher and his family were an hour into Oliver Stone’s film Snowden when their building abruptly lost power.
“The hackers don’t want us to finish the movie,” Yasinsky’s wife joked. She was referring to an event that had occurred a year earlier, a cyberattack that had cut electricity to nearly a quarter-million Ukrainians two days before Christmas in 2015. Yasinsky, a chief forensic analyst at a Kiev digital security firm, didn’t laugh. He looked over at a portable clock on his desk: The time was 00:00. Precisely midnight.
Yasinsky’s television was plugged into a surge protector with a battery backup, so only the flicker of images onscreen lit the room now. The power strip started beeping plaintively. Yasinsky got up and switched it off to save its charge, leaving the room suddenly silent.

He went to the kitchen, pulled out a handful of candles and lit them. Then he stepped to the kitchen window. The thin, sandy-blond engineer looked out on a view of the city as he’d never seen it before: The entire skyline around his apartment building was dark. Only the gray glow of distant lights reflected off the clouded sky, outlining blackened hulks of modern condos and Soviet high-rises.
Noting the precise time and the date, almost exactly a year since the December 2015 grid attack, Yasinsky felt sure that this was no normal blackout. He thought of the cold outside—close to zero degrees Fahrenheit—the slowly sinking temperatures in thousands of homes, and the countdown until dead water pumps led to frozen pipes.
That’s when another paranoid thought began to work its way through his mind: For the past 14 months, Yasinsky had found himself at the center of an enveloping crisis. A growing roster of Ukrainian companies and government agencies had come to him to analyze a plague of cyberattacks that were hitting them in rapid, remorseless succession. A single group of hackers seemed to be behind all of it. Now he couldn’t suppress the sense that those same phantoms, whose fingerprints he had traced for more than a year, had reached back, out through the internet’s ether, into his home.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 4:40 AM

KPO


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Predictions where this is all going?

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO



There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that.



That's a complete non-prediction.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:28 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

My guess is ultimately Putin and Trump get together for a summit and each emerge, statesman-like, with a deal to de-escalate militarily, "cooperate against ISIS" and relax Russian sanctions.- KPO

There is more than Russia and the USA involved. Well, Netanyahu was never the most peaceful guy, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia just made his idiot son - Mohammed bin Salman (the one who decided to go to war in Yemen) - the successor to the throne. So good luck with all that. - SIGNY

That's a complete non-prediction.- KRAPO

No, that's a disagreement on your prediction. Yes, I know- you're so unused to actual DISCUSSION, you don't even recognize when its happening.


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:33 AM

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Two interesting headlines, same day

Quote:

Trump to end lavish CIA support for ‘moderate’ anti-Assad forces in Syria – reports

The White House and CIA have reportedly decided to end a covert operation to arm the so-called moderate Syrian rebels. The US [CIA] has allegedly pumped some $1 billion into train-and-equip efforts with questionable outcomes.

On Wednesday, US officials told the Washington Post (WP) and Reuters that Trump has decided to put an end to the covert CIA plan which began arming and training the so-called moderate Syrian rebels in 2013.

Authorized by President Barack Obama, the secret Timber Sycamore weapons supply and training initiative has served as the backbone of Washington’s strategy to topple the Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Yep -Obama! The peacemaker! Maybe he should give back his Nobel Peace Prize? Yanno, the one he got for being elected the first half-black American President? But, I digress...

Quote:

Two US officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity with Reuters
Ach! Those anonymous officials!

Quote:

said the covert CIA scheme has produced little results. The Washington Post meanwhile claimed, based on their sources, that Trump’s reported intention to stop arming the rebels is the American president’s way of finding common ground with Russia on Syria....
MORE AT https://www.rt.com/news/396872-trump-cia-arming-syria/


BUT THEN ...

Quote:

Here's Why The US Just Took 'Rebranded' Al-Nusra Front Off Terror Watch-Lists

According to a recent report by CBC Canada, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, which was formerly known as al-Nusra Front and then Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (JFS) since July 2016, has been removed from the terror watch-lists of the US and Canada after it merged with fighters from Zenki Brigade and hardline jihadists from Ahrar al-Sham and rebranded itself as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) in January this year.

The US State Department is hesitant to label Tahrir al-Sham a terror group, despite the group’s link to al-Qaeda, as the US government has directly funded and armed the Zenki Brigade, one of the constituents of Tahrir al-Sham, with sophisticated weaponry including the US-made antitank TOW missiles.

The overall military commander of Tahrir al-Sham continues to be Abu Mohammad al-Julani, whom the US has branded a Specially Designated Global Terrorist with a $10 million bounty. But for the US to designate Tahrir al-Sham as a terrorist organization now would mean acknowledging that it supplied sophisticated weapons to terrorists and draw attention to the fact that the US continues to arm Islamic jihadists in Syria...

... The purpose behind the rebranding of al-Nusra Front to Jabhat Fateh al-Sham and purported severing of ties with al-Qaeda Central was to legitimize itself and to make it easier for its patrons to send money and arms. The US blacklisted al-Nusra Front in December 2012 and pressurized Saudi Arabia and Turkey to ban it too. Although al-Nusra Front’s name has been in the list of proscribed organizations of Saudi Arabia and Turkey since 2014, but it has kept receiving money and arms from the Gulf Arab States.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/heres-why-us-just-took-rebran
ded-al-nusra-front-terror-watch-lists


Is this a case of announcing a policy, but then "fulfilling" it with redefinitions, razzle-dazzle, and bullshit?

Or is this just a way for the USA to withdraw is formal support for the CIA-funded jihadists, while allowing Saudi Arabia to continue funding its proxy army in a way that does not have to be recognized by the USA?


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Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:33 AM

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Oh, one more important item of interest:

Quote:

Pentagon Furious After Turkey Leaks U.S. Base Locations In Syria: "Hard Not To See This As A F-You"

So much for NATO-alliance members working for the common good.

In a move that has angered the U.S. for obvious reason, Turkey’s state-run news agency Anadolu Agency has leaked the precise locations of U.S. bases in northern Syria. The move - which exposes the exact locations of American soldiers on the front lines in the war-torn nation - has sent the ongoing feud between the two NATO allies to new lows. As Bloomberg details, in reports published in both Turkish and English on Tuesday, Anadolu provided detailed information about 10 U.S. bases in northern Syria, including troop counts and a map of the U.S. force presence in the Turkish version.

#AA'n?n 'PKK/PYD'ye ABD deste?i' haberi uluslararas? bas?nda yank? uyand?rd? https://t.co/8IJbm9w16D pic.twitter.com/svt4u9v5CD

— ANADOLU AJANSI (@anadoluajansi) July 19, 2017

Without citing specific sources, the state-run news agency unveiled the ten US outposts located in areas controlled by “terrorist” Kurdish militias in the provinces of Aleppo, Hasakah and Raqqa. The reports said that the military outposts are “usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected.” It said they were located “in the terrorist PKK/PYD-held Syrian territories,” a reference to Kurdish groups that Turkey’s government considers terrorist organizations.

While locations of two of the bases, in Rmeilan district (in Hasakah province) and Harab Isk village (near Kobani, in Aleppo province), had already been widely publicized, the others had been mentioned only in outside reports, or were completely unknown. Anadolu’s story also provided systematic and detailed information about troop numbers, equipment, and US operational procedures at the outposts.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/pentagon-furious-after-turkey
-leaks-us-base-locations-syria


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:49 AM

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Oh, last thing for today, I promise.

Quote:

Israeli leader Netanyahu caught on mic, admits Syria strikes, calls EU crazy

... Netanyahu also made a rare public admission that Israel has struck Iranian arms convoys in Syria bound for Hezbollah “dozens and dozens of times.”


http://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/19/israeli-pm-netanyu-caught-on-mic
-admits-syria-strikes-calls-eu-crazy
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Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:52 AM

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Well, as if things weren't completely bizarre in Syria, we have this:

Two "rebel" (I.e. terrorist) factions are vying for supremacy in Idlib Province:

The many-times rebranded al Qaeda in Syria (formerly al Nusra, then through about four name-changes to currently Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham- HTS) ...

.... versus the Turkish-backed Ahrar al-Sham ("the Syrian Taliban"), which has allied with indigenous Sunni extremist and rebel groups under the Free Syrian Army (FSA) banner.

Fighting is so intense that the warring Turkish-backed groups and Saudi-backed groups have even started using tanks against each other.

What a clusterfuck.

There are probably about 9 basic different warring groups in Syria, almost none of them are actually FROM Syria, and the USA was directly aiding five of them. Turkish-backed extremists, Saudi-backed al Qaeda jihadists, Qatari-backed ISIS terrorists (all three also formerly supported by the USA!), Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, two different Kurdish fighting groups (backed by the USA), Israel and ... of course, Syria. And of course Chechens, Moroccans, Tunisians, and other foreign fighters brought in under the ISIS banner.

It's like vultures fighting over a corpse, except that Syria is not yet dead, although the USA and the EU and their Gulf partners did their best to kill it.


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Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:16 PM

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Quote:

The CIA's Afghan Jihad Architect Declares War On Trump

Who is Michael G. Vickers?

Mike Vickers recently added his voice to the chorus of frustrated pundits raging against Trump's closure of the CIA's Syria program. He wrote this week in the Washington Post:

Abandoning the goal of removing Assad from power will place the United States on the side of not only the barbaric Syrian regime, which has American blood on its hands dating to the early 1980s, but also Iran, Hezbollah and Russia. This is strategic folly.

Because Syria is so important to us, because .... ???

Quote:

Even with his impressive sounding bio as former assistant secretary of defense for special operations, low-intensity conflict and interdependent capabilities and undersecretary of defense for intelligence during the Bush and Obama administrations, Vickers will not be recognizable to most. He is the quintessential man behind the scenes - hugely influential and powerful in the national security bureaucracy and shaping military action abroad over the past four decades, yet largely out of the public eye.
A true deep-stater.

Quote:

Vickers was considered the CIA's top strategic mastermind tasked with choosing weapons systems and implementing guerrilla warfare strategies for the various mujahideen groups fighting the Soviets in the 1980's war. This of course included supplying mass quantities of Raytheon's Stinger heat-seeking anti aircraft missiles to Afghan commanders like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and others now considered notorious terrorists by the West. Hekmatyar was a close ally of Bin Laden and had a reputation of throwing acid in women's faces should they be caught participating in public life.

... He [Vickers] was confident that the Stinger would add a lethal new dimension to the anti-aircraft mix that was already beginning to pay off. He had gone to great lengths to make sure the Afghans would be properly trained. In the past, U.S. trainers had taught the Pakistanis how to use the new weapons, and the Pakistanis had then instructed the mujahideen. This time Vickers proposed that the American specialists go into the camps dressed like mujahideen to personally supervise the training.

...Now that the anti-aircraft strategy was in place, Vickers insisted that his master plan, spelling out precise how the CIA should support the Afghans [mujahideen] for the next three years was complete.


And like with the more recent Syria covert program, the massive Afghan jihad program had to be carefully shielded from public view:

And so all of Vickers's calculations had to take into account maneuvers with Swiss bank accounts, shadowy purchasing agents, safe houses, phony corporations, contracts, lawyers, disguised boats, fleets of trucks, trains, camels, donkeys, mules, warehouses, disguised satellite-targeting studies, and secret payments to the families of the fighters ...By the beginning of 1986 Vickers ... was calling the shots on 57 percent of the Directorate of Operations' total budget. He had by then grown accustomed to running the biggest CIA paramilitary campaign in history.

We all know how this ended up: an unprecedented rise in international Islamic terrorism as a permanent fixture on the world stage, horrific mass casualties of civilians in sophisticated terror bombings ....

With not a hint of shame, bashfulness, or recognition of the twisted irony of it all, Vickers actually invoked his prior experience overseeing the Afghan jihad in his recent Washington Post op-ed:

President Ronald Reagan understood the potential of covert proxy wars to alter global power balances. Through stepped-up support for the Afghan mujahideen and other anti-Communist movements, and other, complementary strategic policies, he won the Cold War. It took the Carter and Reagan administrations more than five years to come up with a war-winning strategy (work that I helped to lead as a CIA officer) against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The same could be done in Syria today.

At the very least, this might serve to educate the public of how the intelligence and national security deep state works: these guys never go away, criminality is rewarded (Vickers was literally praised as thinking "like a gangster" for his ability to implement nasty guerrilla tactics on shifting battlefield environments in a 2007 Washington Post profile), and it's often the same guys running the show behind the scenes of ugly covert interventions which only serve to make the world less safe for Americans.

Vickers himself, as Defense Under Secretary for Intelligence until 2015, oversaw aspects of US covert action in Syria. The man has literally gone from overseeing the CIA's covert support of Afghan mujahideen to overseeing US support for jihadists in Syria to now declaring war on Trump. The deep state has gone full circle here. But it's our sincere hope that America finally defeats all the jihadists and their enablers both at home and abroad.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/who-michael-vickers-cias-afgh
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Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:42 PM

SIGNYM

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Meanwhile, the Syrian Arab Army (Syria's official army) is being quick to establish "facts on the ground" no matter what happens to the jihadists' American/ Qatari/ Saudi funding.

In addition to racing along the Euphrates River, to cut off the advance of the American-funded Kurdish troops in the east, the SAA is also pressing directly to Deir Ezzor along the Sukhna - Deir Ezzor road.

Not going to link a map, I have other things to get to, but this will put the entirety of southeast back in government control, with the exception of Raqqa itself.

*****

Meanwhile, the USA-backed Kurdish forces have taken 45% of Raqqa from ISIS.



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Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:29 PM

SIGNYM

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SAA (official Syrian Army) has taken Sukhna. Sukhna is the last large city on the eastern hihgway to Deir Ezzor, which is an eastern Syrian city under siege by ISIS.

At the same time, the SAA is also pushing towards Deir Ezzor from the north (along the Euphrates). These two actions have cut off ISIS supplies, and will encircle the entire eastern Homs province and Deir Ezzor province

http://syria.liveuamap.com/en



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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Monday, October 30, 2017 7:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War

A television interview of a top Qatari official confessing the truth behind the origins of the war in Syria is going viral across Arabic social media during the same week a leaked top secret NSA document was published which confirms that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the conflict.

So much for "Russian" war crimes!

Quote:

... the explosive interview constitutes a high level "public admission to collusion and coordination between four countries to destabilize an independent state, [including] possible support for Nusra/al-Qaeda." Importantly, "this admission will help build case for what Damascus sees as an attack on its security & sovereignty. It will form basis for compensation claims."

... the continued infighting among Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) former allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with each side accusing the other of funding Islamic State and al-Qaeda terrorists (ironically, both true).

Increasingly, the world watches as more dirty laundry is aired and the GCC implodes after years of nearly all the gulf monarchies funding jihadist movements in places like Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

Since 2013 The Intercept (+WaPo?) hid NSA docs showing Saudi ordering 'rebel' attacks on Damascus. Now released. https://t.co/0PZrBKpJCw — Julian Assange ???? (@JulianAssange) October 24, 2017

So, KRAPO, you were wondering whether western governments propagandized their own people?

Quote:

In an interview with Qatari TV Wednesday, bin Jaber al-Thani revealed that his country, alongside Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment events "first started" (in 2011).

Al-Thani even likened the covert operation to "hunting prey" - the prey being President Assad and his supporters - "prey" which he admits got away (as Assad is still in power; he used a Gulf Arabic dialect word, "al-sayda", which implies hunting animals or prey for sport). Though Thani denied credible allegations of support for ISIS, the former prime minister's words implied direct Gulf and US support for al-Qaeda in Syria (al-Nusra Front) from the earliest years of the war, and even said Qatar has "full documents" and records proving that the war was planned to effect regime change.

"We argued over the prey and that prey run away". Ladies and Gentleman: To these people #Syria #Assad was nothing but a f....ing hunting game https://t.co/w4oKO5TTK6 — EHSANI2 (@EHSANI22) October 27, 2017

According to Zero Hedge's translation, al-Thani said while acknowledging Gulf nations were arming jihadists in Syria with the approval and support of US and Turkey: "I don't want to go into details but we have full documents about us taking charge [in Syria]." He claimed that both Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah (who reigned until his death in 2015) and the United States placed Qatar in a lead role concerning covert operations to execute the proxy war.

Also, Qatar is the location of the USA's largest airbase in the Mideast.

Quote:

The former prime minister's comments, while very revealing, were intended as a defense and excuse of Qatar's support for terrorism, and as a critique of the US and Saudi Arabia for essentially leaving Qatar "holding the bag" in terms of the war against Assad. Al-Thani explained that Qatar continued its financing of armed insurgents in Syria while other countries eventually wound down large-scale support, which is why he lashed out at the US and the Saudis, who initially "were with us in the same trench."

... As is now well-known, the CIA was directly involved in leading regime change efforts in Syria with allied gulf partners, as leaked and declassified US intelligence memos confirm.

... For example, a leaked 2014 intelligence memo sent to Hillary Clinton acknowledged Qatari and Saudi support for ISIS. The email stated in direct and unambiguous language that: "the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region."

Furthermore ... The Intercept released a new top-secret NSA document ... which shows in stunning clarity that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the war which has now claimed half a million lives.

A body count Putin would have to work awfully hard to catch up with!

Quote:

The newly released NSA document confirms that a 2013 insurgent attack with advanced surface-to-surface rockets upon civilian areas of Damascus, including Damascus International Airport, was directly supplied and commanded by Saudi Arabia with full prior awareness of US intelligence. As the former Qatari prime minister now also confirms, both the Saudis and US government staffed "operations rooms" overseeing such heinous attacks during the time period of the 2013 Damascus airport attack.

No doubt there remains a massive trove of damning documentary evidence which will continue to trickle out in the coming months and years. At the very least, the continuing Qatari-Saudi diplomatic war will bear more fruit as each side builds a case against the other with charges of supporting terrorism. And as we can see from this latest Qatari TV interview, the United States itself will not be spared in this new open season of airing dirty laundry as old allies turn on each other.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/shocking-viral-interview-qata
r-confesses-secrets-behind-syrian-war


Do you want to know how to tell which side feels like it's "winning", and which side feels like it's "losing"?

The "losing" side is where all of the squabbling, finger-pointing, and blame-laying goes on. It's called "blamestorming". I've seen that happen in both parties after Dem and Repub defeats, and now I see it in our so-called mideast allies. When things are going well, nobody is arguing!

It would be a helluvalot more productive if defeat/ setbacks also led to some real soul-searching: "What did we do wrong? Is it our approach, or is there something fundamentally wrong with our mission?" Instead, vested interests of ALL sorts seem to double down. It seems to take an unusual person to rise above the squabbling and bickering and successfully craft a new direction.





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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Bombshell Report Confirms US Coalition Struck A Deal With ISIS

At a moment of widespread acknowledgement that the short-lived Islamic State is no longer a reality, and as ISIS is about to be defeated by the Syrian Army in its last urban holdout of Abu Kamal City in eastern Syria, the US is signalling an open-ended military presence in Syria. On Monday Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters at the Pentagon that the US is preparing for a long term military commitment in Syria to fight ISIS "as long as they want to fight."

Mattis indicated that even should ISIS loose all of its territory there would still be a dangerous insurgency that could morph into an "ISIS 2.0" which he said the US would seek to prevent. “The enemy hasn’t declared that they’re done with the area yet, so we’ll keep fighting as long as they want to fight,” Mattis said. “We’re not just going to walk away right now before the Geneva process has traction.”

Hey, I know that RUSSIA was invited into Syria, but who the hell invited US? Oh yeah ... WE did.

Quote:

Mattis was referring to the stalled peace talks in Geneva which some analysts have described as a complete failure (especially as the Geneva process unrealistically stipulates the departure of Assad) ....

... Meanwhile Turkey once again reiterated that the US has 13 bases in Syria, though the US-backed Syrian YPG has previously indicated seven US military bases in northern Syria. The Pentagon, however, would not confirm base locations or numbers - though only a year-and-a-half ago the American public was being assured that there would be "no boots on the ground" due to mission creep in Syria.

A year-and-a-half ago. Who were the people who were spreading that LIE? Obama? The CIA? The MSM?

Quote:

During the last year of the Obama administration, State Department spokesman John Kirby was called out multiple times by reporters for tell obvious and blatant lies concerning "boots on the ground" in Syria.

Remember this? "We are not going to be involved in a large scale combat mission on the ground in Syria. That is what the president [Obama] has long said."

Last summer, in a move that angered the US administration, Turkish state media leaked the locations of no less than ten small scale American military bases in northern Syria alone ... these bases ... require a broad network of US personnel operating in various logistical roles inside Syria and likely now includes thousands of US troops deployed on the ground, instead of the Pentagon's official (and highly dubious) "approximately 500 troops in Syria" number.

One must always be ready to do "back of the envelope" estimations to see if statements make common sense

Quote:

What makes even the timing of Mattis' declaration of an open ended military commitment in to supposedly fight ISIS is that it came the same day that the BBC confirmed that the US and its Kurdish SDF proxy (Syrian Democratic Forces) cut a deal with ISIS which allowed for the evacuation of possibly thousands of ISIS members and their families from Raqqa.

According to yesterday's bombshell BBC report:

The BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let hundreds of Islamic State fighters and their families escape from Raqqa, under the gaze of the US and British-led coalition and Kurdish-led forces who control the city. A convoy included some of IS's most notorious members and - despite reassurances - dozens of foreign fighters. Some of those have spread out across Syria, even making it as far as Turkey.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Omar fields falling into hands of SDF could well have been part of a Quid pro quo deal that allowed ISIS to leave Raqqa for allowing SDF to capture Omar oil field after ISIS attacks #SyrianArmy positions. If you read 1 article today, make sure its one by BBC below https://t.co/FFQhOIjPEC — EHSANI2 (@EHSANI22) November 13, 2017

4000 #ISIS and families evacuated by #USA forces from #Raqqah, including foreign fighters: the scandal of the century. pic.twitter.com/P5UdgbgBn1 — Elijah J. Magnier (@ejmalrai) November 13, 2017



I remember when this was first reported it was called "fake news". So the BBC's report "Raqqa's Dirty Secret" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret is clearly fake news too.

In the original report, not only were top leaders of ISIS allowed to escape, but there were supposedly CIA operatives among them.

Quote:

Though it's always good when the mainstream media belatedly gives confirmation to stories that actually broke months prior, the BBC was very late to the story. ISIS terrorists being given free passage by coalition forces to leave Raqqa was a story which we and other outlets began to report last June, and which Moon of Alabama and Al-Masdar News exposed in detail a full month prior to the BBC report.
Now, one must wonder WHY IS THE BBC ADMITTING THIS NOW? I'm sure they knew all about this from the very beginning, and they didn't HAVE to run this report, they could have done what they were doing earlier: quietly shelve the info, and you (yes, you) would be none the wiser. Perhaps this is going to be the justification for the Brits to pull whatever troops and support they have for the Syrian effort, seeing as it's gone down the drain?

Quote:

And astoundingly, even foreign fighters who had long vowed to carry out attacks in Europe and elsewhere were part of the deal brokered under the sponsorship of the US coalition in Syria. According to the BBC report:

Disillusioned, weary of the constant fighting and fearing for his life, Abu Basir decided to leave for the safety of Idlib. He now lives in the city. He was part of an almost exclusively French group within IS, and before he left some of his fellow fighters were given a new mission.

"There are some French brothers from our group who left for France to carry out attacks in what would be called a ‘day of reckoning.’”

Much is hidden beneath the rubble of Raqqa and the lies around this deal might easily have stayed buried there too. The numbers leaving were much higher than local tribal elders admitted. At first the coalition refused to admit the extent of the deal.

Or will this be the beginning of a British government spying campaign, or a move to limit Muslim migrants of dubious origin?

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So it appears that the US allowed ISIS terrorists to freely leave areas under coalition control, according to no less than the BBC, while at the same time attempting to make the case before the public that a permanent Pentagon presence is needed in case of ISIS' return. But it’s a familiar pattern by now: yesterday's proxies become today's terrorists, which return to being proxies again, all as part of justifying permanent US military presence on another nation's sovereign territory.

America's Syrian adventure went from public declarations of “we’re staying out” to “just some logistical aid to rebels” to “okay, some mere light arms to fight the evil dictator” to “well, a few anti-tank missiles wouldn’t hurt” to “we gotta bomb the new super-bad terror group that emerged!” to “ah but no boots on the ground!” to “alright kinetic strikes as a deterrent” to “but special forces aren’t really boots on the ground per se, right?” to yesterday's Mattis declaration of an open-ended commitment. And on and on it goes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/bombshell-report-confirms-us-
coalition-struck-deal-isis



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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:01 PM

THGRRI


SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from zero hedge a blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.



In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.


The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”









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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:06 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Bombshell Report Confirms US Coalition Struck A Deal With ISIS




Sig likes to say she is not a Russian troll as she attacks America again and again. This is the message I received when I followed her link to the story,
"Hmmm... the page you're looking for isn't here. Try searching above."


Is there anyone here aside from the other trolls jack and kiki that thinks she is not?



Russia offers bogus "evidence" that U.S. is helping ISIS

Syrian war analyst Elliot Higgins and other online sleuths pointed out on Twitter, at least three of the images appear to be poor attempts to manufacture "evidence"; one is a screengrab from a computer game, and two others are taken from video or images that came out of neighboring Iraq, a year before the Boukamal battle.

"Having done some digging the images appear to have come from a video game called; 'AC-130 Gunship Simulator - Convoy engagement,' made by a company called; byte conveyor studios," said Higgins.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-video-game-evidence-us-direct-coop
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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from zero hedge - THUGR
Which is THIS case is pulling its info from the BBC. Is THAT fake news?

So here is THUGR, crying "fake news!!" like the boy who cried wolf just a few too many times.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:50 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from zero hedge - THUGR
Which is THIS case is pulling its info from the BBC. Is THAT fake news?

So here is THUGR, crying "fake news!!" like the boy who cried wolf just a few too many times.




First of all your link doesn't go to the story you suggest. Second, zero hedge aggregates it's stories before posting them. Aggregate; formed or calculated by the combination of many separate units or items. And thirdly, your story about America helping DASH is false. It was fake, made up, by the Russians. The Americans had nothing to do with DASH or any decission to let any go. Here's a thought. Why didn't the Russians or Assad doing anything?

Whos pushing this bullshit story? Who sig, the Russians. Who sig, you.



Russia offers bogus "evidence" that U.S. is helping ISIS

Syrian war analyst Elliot Higgins and other online sleuths pointed out on Twitter, at least three of the images appear to be poor attempts to manufacture "evidence"; one is a screengrab from a computer game, and two others are taken from video or images that came out of neighboring Iraq, a year before the Boukamal battle.

"Having done some digging the images appear to have come from a video game called; 'AC-130 Gunship Simulator - Convoy engagement,' made by a company called; byte conveyor studios," said Higgins.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-video-game-evidence-us-direct-coop
eration-support-isis-syria-raqqa/




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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:01 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Which is THIS case is pulling its info from the BBC. Is THAT fake news?


Here's the BBC posting the story about Russia publishing "evidence" from a video game of the USA supposedly backing ISIS:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41991012

How pro-Russians have the gall to lecture anyone about lying governments, is beyond me.

Sig, there is one side that lies repeatedly, shamelessly, in all this - and it's not the side you think it is.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:15 PM

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Sig, there is one side that lies repeatedly, shamelessly, in all this - and it's not the side you think it is.


Countdown to a screed about Iraq in 3...2...1...

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:37 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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First of all your link doesn't go to the story you suggest.-
First of all, the link goes to EXACTLY where I suggest it goes: "Raqqa's Dirty Secret". I suggest that you learn how to use links. It's simple: just click on it.

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Second, zero hedge aggregates it's stories before posting them. Aggregate; formed or calculated by the combination of many separate units or items.- THUGR
Yes, so? That's what aggregators do.

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And thirdly, your story about America helping DASH is false. It was fake, made up, by the Russians. The Americans had nothing to do with DASH or any decission to let any go.
Well, take that up with the BBC! It's not "my" story, it's THEIR story!

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Here's a thought. Why didn't the Russians or Assad doing anything? - THUGR
You want Russia and Syria to attack American troops? What are you? Anti-American?

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