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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:23 PM

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Truly amazing mini series. 5 episodes. The production design is remarkable, music brilliant, acting... etc etc etc.
The story of the ultimate price of state sponsored lies.

Highly recommend.

https://www.hbo.com/chernobyl

"Chernobyl, a five-part miniseries co-production from HBO and Sky, dramatizes the story of the 1986 nuclear accident, one of the worst man-made catastrophes in history — and of the sacrifices made to save Europe from unimaginable disaster.

Premiering May 6, and followed by subsequent episodes each Monday, Chernobyl stars Emmy-nominee Jared Harris (The Crown, Mad Men), Stellan Skarsgård (Melancholia, Good Will Hunting) and Oscar-nominee Emily Watson (Hilary and Jackie, Breaking the Waves).

Chernobyl is written and executive produced by Craig Mazin (The Huntsman: Winter’s War) and directed by Johan Renck (Breaking Bad). Produced by Sister Pictures and The Mighty Mint as an HBO/Sky co-production, Emmy-winner Carolyn Strauss (Game of Thrones) and Jane Featherstone (Broadchurch) serve as executive producers while Johan Renck and Chris Fry (Humans) co-executive produce. Sanne Wohlenberg (Black Mirror) also produces.
On April 26, 1986, the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine, Soviet Union suffered a massive explosion that released radioactive material across Belarus, Russia and Ukraine and as far as Scandinavia and western Europe.
Jared Harris portrays Valery Legasov, a leading Soviet nuclear physicist. As part of the response team, he was one of the first to grasp the scope of the unparalleled disaster that occurred. Stellan Skarsgård plays Soviet Deputy Prime Minister Boris Shcherbina, who is assigned by the Kremlin to lead the government commission on Chernobyl in the hours immediately following the accident. Emily Watson portrays Ulana Khomyuk, a Soviet nuclear physicist committed to solving the mystery of what led to the Chernobyl disaster.

Writer, creator and executive producer Craig Mazin began researching the Chernobyl disaster in 2014, using a wide variety of materials, including several books, government reports from inside and outside of the Soviet Union and first-person accounts. He spoke to nuclear scientists to learn how a reactor works and interviewed former Soviet citizens to gain a better sense of the culture in 1986.

Chernobyl was filmed on location in Lithuania and Ukraine, with a creative team including director of photography Jakob Ihre (Thelma); production designer Luke Hull (Howards End); editors Jinx Godfrey (The Theory of Everything) and Simon Smith (Endeavor); costume designer Odile Dicks-Mireaux (Brooklyn); two-time Emmy-winners Nina Gold and Robert Sterne as casting directors (Game of Thrones); and composer Hildur Gudnadóttir (Trapped)."

Also on Hulu and Amazon Prime.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 6:16 PM

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Stephen King @StephenKing

It's impossible to watch HBO's CHERNOBYL without thinking of Donald Trump; like those in charge of the doomed Russian reactor, he's a man of mediocre intelligence in charge of great power--economic, global--that he does not understand.
8:11 AM - May 30, 2019
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1134084923915145218

The craft behind “Chernobyl” is transporting — the dialogue, the visuals, the acting, the music. It excels as a horror movie, action film, political thriller, documentary, and fable. You hardly notice the show’s gutting message up to the finale, which is like a dagger you don’t sense until it pierces your heart and you gasp. But the creator and writer of the show, Craig Mazin, has been, like his central character, explicit in saying what it means. “We are now living in a global war on the truth,” Mazin told the Los Angeles Times. “We look at this president who lies, not little ones but outstandingly absurd lies. The truth isn’t even in the conversation. It’s just forgotten or obscured to the point where we can’t see it. That’s what Chernobyl is about.”
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/05/what-the-horror-of-chernobyl-revea
ls-about-the-deceit-of-the-trump-era
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:02 PM

THG


Oh shit. I'm going to have to give it a go.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:12 PM

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Nope.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:23 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NAH. It doesn't have enuf people of color.


*****


Do you want to see a really GOOD show on Chernobyl? Try National Geographic's 2014 documentary.



Another really good show which explains, moment-by-moment, how the disaster happened is "Seconds from Disaster"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ev0kf or here





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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:54 PM

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Soundz good. I'll see it wen its available at the library.

Made a KoMIK based on it:

http://www.nqalf.com/CeRNOBL.html

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Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:56 PM

SIGNYM

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Here's a better version of the Discovery Channel show. It goes into the history of the critical people in charge at the reactor and how their minute-by-minute decisions, poor communication between the reactor controllers and the feedwater people, led to catastrophe.



I like it because even tho its not fictionalized, I felt dread and horror knowing what was about to happen.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:02 AM

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I watched 2 eps and I think its the best show on tv at the moment and the best series for a long while

the show is fantastic

The history is hard, morbid and brutal science stuff is fine because they break it down like a Discovery Nat geo show where they try expalin stuff like you expalin to a child, if you throw technical stuff at people watching they might not get it but you see it from the view of different cast / characters who slowly see what is energy power, they learn what is fission and radioactive decay, what kind of damage can be done to an animal or the human body, what is radiation, you learn all these things as the people on the ground might have been suddenly forced to learn about the disaster around them.

While it is bleak it could also make you think....Are we going to evolve or are we doomed. Why when we listen with our radio telescope why is there nothing out there in the stars, no alien life in the universe? Or is there a higher life but it no longer will talk to us as an 'intelligent' civilistaion? Is it the nature intelligence to be corrupted is it a destiny of civilistaions to invent things that eventually destory themselves, are we always going to lie and cover up? They who do this science say we can also collect almost limitless 'free energy' from the Sun and the Winds. So Why the Nuclear push and Is Nuclear power the answer to an 'Energy Crisis' is mankind ever going to make Nuclear 'Safe'?


I think this show is top level, its respecful, dramatic and truthful although it does have moments of hollywood tv drama it is also real and historical, it shows the idiocy, the corrupt nature of people and of Russian communist bureaucracy. The acting is top, the writing very well done, to score weird creepy soundtrack and the music and camera work complements the entire story. More scary than most horror because this story is based on reality the creeping dread atmosphere unfolding.


There is a real genuine feel to the series despite its drama, people might see Left or Trump or whatever in it but I don't really see any left vs right stage show politics. I see a government corrupt during a massive crisis that would wreck the town, the cities, destory lives of people and change the lands, although on the idea of left and right I do agree the socialist leftist USSR system was a terrible political system. Some talk about accidents and disasters like Three Mile Island, the Oil Spills, Fukushima but this historical Chernobyl still ranks as the world's worst man-made catastrophes, maybe its a lesson about cover ups the corrupt secrecy surrounding the disaster, great actors, great writing, great film work.

a great show

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:46 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The New Safe Confinement encloses the reactor and related debris for at least a century
http://bit.ly/CBechtel120

Within months of the 1986 disaster, Soviet crews contained the radioactive wreckage inside a temporary shelter, a 21-story-tall "sarcophagus." There were many gaps, and most of the sarcophagus wasn't secured to the underlying structure, leaving the enclosure vulnerable to leaking rainwater, settling, and earthquakes.

In the latter part of the 1990s, after we helped with a short-term fix to stabilize the sarcophagus, a Bechtel-led team designed what's known as the New Safe Confinement (NSC) structure, the heart of a broader, longer-term Shelter Implementation Plan.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:56 AM

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And AOC believes we can create tubes under the ocean for trains to travel internationally.

Good luck with the earthquakes, water pressure... Cthulhu.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here's a better version of the Discovery Channel show. It goes into the history of the critical people in charge at the reactor and how their minute-by-minute decisions, poor communication between the reactor controllers and the feed water people, led to catastrophe.
I like it because even tho its not fictionalized, I felt dread and horror knowing what was about to happen.




Thanks for the vid links, Signym. The story is without boundaries imho - at it's human core: hubris, vanity, pettiness, man's over reach, etc etc etc. Bad human traits found in any country. The courage to speak up and say no so hard to find.
I thought the HBO version did an amazing job of creating that constant feeling of dread, both visually and with the droning sound track. Because we know what's coming, the pacing is deliberately slow to play out the drama. I can see why King liked it so much! The burning core was a demon, out of control, ready to consume millions of people and acres of land with the only chance of containment seemingly almost impossible.

"How many men do you need?"
"750,000."

A part of me thought it would take a country like Russia to eff it up like that, but it would ironically also take a country like Russia - with it's dedication and blind sacrifice (heroism) to The State - to actually contain it. I do wonder if it really has been contained? I don't know the total fallout from the catastrophe. Did they cover up the full impact successfully?

I did hear that Russia is filming their own version, naturally. We'll see if they learned anything.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

I watched 2 eps and I think its the best show on tv at the moment and the best series for a long while

the show is fantastic

The history is hard, morbid and brutal science stuff is fine because they break it down like a Discovery Nat geo show where they try expalin stuff like you expalin to a child, if you throw technical stuff at people watching they might not get it but you see it from the view of different cast / characters who slowly see what is energy power, they learn what is fission and radioactive decay, what kind of damage can be done to an animal or the human body, what is radiation, you learn all these things as the people on the ground might have been suddenly forced to learn about the disaster around them.

While it is bleak it could also make you think....Are we going to evolve or are we doomed. Why when we listen with our radio telescope why is there nothing out there in the stars, no alien life in the universe? Or is there a higher life but it no longer will talk to us as an 'intelligent' civilistaion? Is it the nature intelligence to be corrupted is it a destiny of civilistaions to invent things that eventually destory themselves, are we always going to lie and cover up? They who do this science say we can also collect almost limitless 'free energy' from the Sun and the Winds. So Why the Nuclear push and Is Nuclear power the answer to an 'Energy Crisis' is mankind ever going to make Nuclear 'Safe'?


I think this show is top level, its respecful, dramatic and truthful although it does have moments of hollywood tv drama it is also real and historical, it shows the idiocy, the corrupt nature of people and of Russian communist bureaucracy. The acting is top, the writing very well done, to score weird creepy soundtrack and the music and camera work complements the entire story. More scary than most horror because this story is based on reality the creeping dread atmosphere unfolding.


There is a real genuine feel to the series despite its drama, people might see Left or Trump or whatever in it but I don't really see any left vs right stage show politics. I see a government corrupt during a massive crisis that would wreck the town, the cities, destory lives of people and change the lands, although on the idea of left and right I do agree the socialist leftist USSR system was a terrible political system. Some talk about accidents and disasters like Three Mile Island, the Oil Spills, Fukushima but this historical Chernobyl still ranks as the world's worst man-made catastrophes, maybe its a lesson about cover ups the corrupt secrecy surrounding the disaster, great actors, great writing, great film work.

a great show



Well said, Jaynestown!

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

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I saw a thermograph of an experimentally-melted research reactor. There was the cylidndrical-shaped reactor and, inside, you culd see where the fuel rods had been: the top third of the reactor was empty, the bottom two-thirds consisted of warped, deformed fuel and control rods in various stages of meltdown, and the melted fuel rods, control rods, and water tubes (corium) had dripped out the bottom (The control rods and other elements fed in thru the bottom, when those melted away it left something like a colander) in glowing, radioactive "icicles". I wish I could link that picture for you ... it's no longer online but it shows what a nuclear metldown looks like. (It also brings up the ?? ... where was this experimental reactor when it was melted? I'm sure the event left quite a bit of contamination at the site. Two possible sites are just north of Denver, and the Santa Susana hills just north of LA.)

To me, nothing is quite as creepy and horrific as nuclear meltdown, whether it's at Three Mile Island or Chernobyl or Fukushima.

Aside from the obvious explosions and fires, the real danger comes from what can't be seen- small (even microscopic) particles, condensates, dusts, groundwater - highly radioactive elements leaking out invisibly.

I recall that when "they" (usually underpaid underclass Japanese men) were surveying Fukushima for radiation, some of the lower elbows in the vent stacks were EXTREMELY radioactive, even tho there was no visible contamination and no real engineering connection to the nuclear core.

We have a HEPA filter in our livingroom which we keep on most of the time to reduce dust and allergies. So I borrowed our lab Geiger counter (after Fukushima) and surveyed the filter, and am pretty sure I found a radioactive particle on it because the Geiger counter "chirped" at a certain spot no matter which direction I approached it from. I also did the same thing to our car air intake filter and found a couple of probable particles there. And that was all the way across the Pacific!

As a chemist, I have profound respect for the elements. Radioactive elements are implaccable. Once you inhale a particle it sits there and keeps irradiating that spot over and over ...


BTW ... the meltdown at Three Mile Island was a lot more serious that most people knew. Because the excursion had been so brief, the thought was that only a small portion of the fuel had melted, But after the corium had cooled down enuf to take the reactor apart (I think this was over ten years later) they discovered that about a third of the fuel had melted. Same thing with Fukushima ... the fuel melt was far faster and more complete than they anticipated. Apparently it takes only a few minutes to go from "OK" to "holy shit". Not much room for error or timeto correct.

A technology that unstable and that potentially catastrophic should never be used. It leaves me skeptical about Rusia's push to develop and export nuclear power technology. I don't know of any advances that have made it ... or the inherent waste problem ... any safer.


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Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:41 AM

SIGNYM

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The New Yorker review of Chernobyl. It was pretty negative because the show followed a "disaster movie" script. The actual title of the review is

Quote:

What HBO’s “Chernobyl” Got Right, and What It Got Terribly Wrong
but I would have called it

Quote:

Chernobyl: Truth is more horrible than fiction


*****

Quote:

Svetlana Alexievich, the Russian-language Belarusian writer who won the Nobel Prize for Literature, in 2015, for her work with oral history, has said that the book she found easiest to report was her book about Chernobyl. (Its English title, depending on the translation, is “Voices from Chernobyl” or “Chernobyl Prayer.”) The reason, she said, was that none of her interlocutors—people who lived in the area affected by the disaster—knew how they were supposed to talk about it. For her other books, Alexievich interviewed people about their experience of the Second World War, the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. For all of these other events and periods in Russian history, there were widely adopted narratives, habits of speaking that, Alexievich found, had a way of overshadowing actual personal experience and private memory. But when she asked survivors about Chernobyl they accessed their own stories more easily, because the story hadn’t been told. The Soviet media disseminated very little information about the disaster. There were no books or movies or songs. There was a vacuum.

Alexievich’s book about Chernobyl was published in Russian in 1997, more than ten years after one of the reactors at the Chernobyl power plant exploded, in what was probably the worst nuclear accident in history. One of the most remarkable facts about Chernobyl is that the narrative vacuum had persisted for that long, and, in fact, it has persisted since: Alexievich’s book came to prominence, both in Russia and in the West, only following her Nobel Prize win. There have been stories in the media in Russia and abroad, many of them on the odd tourist industry that has sprung up in the disaster zone; there has been a BBC documentary and a bizarre American-Ukrainian documentary. But in the past year two books, one by a historian and the other by a journalist, have attempted to tell the definitive documentary story of the disaster. Finally, the HBO series “Chernobyl,” the fifth and final episode of which aired Monday, tells a fictionalized version. It being television, and very well-received television at that, it is the series, rather than the books, that will probably finally fill the vacuum where the story of Chernobyl should be. This is not a good thing.

Before I get to what the series got so terribly wrong, I should acknowledge what it got right. In “Chernobyl,” which was created and written by Craig Mazin and directed by Johan Renck, the material culture of the Soviet Union is reproduced with an accuracy that has never before been seen in Western television or film—or, for that matter, in Russian television or film. Clothes, objects, and light itself seem to come straight out of nineteen-eighties Ukraine, Belarus, and Moscow. (There are tiny errors, like a holiday uniform worn by schoolchildren on a non-holiday, or teen-agers carrying little kids’ school bags, but this is truly splitting hairs.) Soviet-born Americans—and, indeed, Soviet-born Russians—have been tweeting and blogging in awe at the uncanny precision with which the physical surroundings of Soviet people have been reproduced. The one noticeable mistake in this respect concerns the series makers’ apparent ignorance of the vast divisions between different socioeconomic classes in the Soviet Union: in the series, Valery Legasov (Jared Harris), a member of the Academy of Sciences, lives in nearly the same kind of squalor as a fireman in the Ukrainian town of Pripyat. In fact, Legasov would have lived in an entirely different kind of squalor than the fireman did.

Herein lies one of the series’ biggest flaws: its failure to accurately portray Soviet relationships of power. There are exceptions, flashes of brilliance that shed light on the bizarre workings of Soviet hierarchies. In the first episode, for example, during an emergency meeting of the Pripyat ispolkom, the town’s governing council, an elder statesman, Zharkov (Donald Sumpter), delivers a chilling, and chillingly accurate, speech, urging his compatriots to “have faith.” “We seal off the city,” Zharkov says. “No one leaves. And cut the phone lines. Contain the spread of misinformation. That is how we keep the people from undermining the fruits of their own labor.” This statement has everything: the bureaucratic indirectness of Soviet speech, the privileging of “fruits of labor” over the people who created them, and, of course, the utter disregard for human life.

The final episode of “Chernobyl” also contains a scene that encapsulates the Soviet system perfectly. During the trial of three men who have been deemed responsible for the disaster, a member of the Central Committee overrules the judge, who then looks to the prosecutor for direction—and the prosecutor gives that direction with a nod. This is exactly how Soviet courts worked: they did the bidding of the Central Committee, and the prosecutor wielded more power than the judge.

Unfortunately, apart from these striking moments, the series often veers between caricature and folly. In Episode 2, for example, the Central Committee member Boris Shcherbina (Stellan Skarsgård) threatens to have Legasov shot if he doesn’t tell him how a nuclear reactor works. There are a lot of people throughout the series who appear to act out of fear of being shot. This is inaccurate: summary executions, or even delayed executions on orders of a single apparatchik, were not a feature of Soviet life after the nineteen-thirties. By and large, Soviet people did what they were told without being threatened with guns or any punishment.

Similarly repetitive and ridiculous are the many scenes of heroic scientists confronting intransigent bureaucrats by explicitly criticizing the Soviet system of decision-making. In Episode 3, for example, Legasov asks, rhetorically, “Forgive me—maybe I’ve just spent too much time in my lab, or maybe I’m just stupid. Is this really the way it all works? An uninformed, arbitrary decision that will cost who knows how many lives that is made by some apparatchik, some career Party man?” Yes, of course this is the way it works, and, no, he hasn’t been in his lab so long that he didn’t realize that this is how it works. The fact of the matter is, if he didn’t know how it worked, he would never have had a lab.

Resignation was the defining condition of Soviet life. But resignation is a depressing and untelegenic spectacle. So the creators of “Chernobyl” imagine confrontation where confrontation was unthinkable—and, in doing so, they cross the line from conjuring a fiction to creating a lie. The Belarusian scientist Ulyana Khomyuk (Emily Watson) is even more confrontational than Legasov. “I am a nuclear physicist,” she tells an apparatchik, in Episode 2. “Before you were Deputy Secretary, you worked in a shoe factory.” First, she’d never say this. Second, the apparatchik might have worked at a shoe factory, but, if he was an apparatchik, he was no cobbler; he has come up the Party ladder, which might indeed have begun at the factory—but in an office, not on the factory floor. The apparatchik—or, more accurately, the caricature of the apparatchik—pours himself a glass of vodka from a carafe that sits on his desk and responds, “Yes, I worked in a shoe factory. And now I’m in charge.” He toasts, in what appears to be the middle of the day: “To the workers of the world.” No. No carafe, no vodka in the workplace in front of a hostile stranger, and no boasting “I’m in charge.”

The biggest fiction in this scene, though, is Khomyuk herself. Unlike other characters, she is made up—according to the closing titles, she represents dozens of scientists who helped Legasov investigate the cause of the disaster. Khomyuk appears to embody every possible Hollywood fantasy. She is a truth-knower: the first time we see her, she is already figuring out that something has gone terribly wrong, and she is grasping it terribly fast, unlike the dense men at the actual scene of the disaster, who seem to need hours to take it in. She is also a truth-seeker: she interviews dozens of people (some of them as they are dying of radiation exposure), digs up a scientific paper that has been censored, and figures out exactly what happened, minute by minute. She also gets herself arrested and then immediately seated at a meeting on the disaster, led by Gorbachev. None of this is possible, and all of it is hackneyed. The problem is not just that Khomyuk is a fiction; it’s that the kind of expert knowledge she represents is a fiction. The Soviet system of propaganda and censorship existed not so much for the purpose of spreading a particular message as for the purpose of making learning impossible, replacing facts with mush, and handing the faceless state a monopoly on defining an ever-shifting reality.

In the absence of a Chernobyl narrative, the makers of the series have used the outlines of a disaster movie. There are a few terrible men who bring the disaster about, and a few brave and all-knowing ones, who ultimately save Europe from becoming uninhabitable and who tell the world the truth. It is true that Europe survived; it is not true that anyone got to the truth, or told it.

The Harvard historian Serhii Plokhy’s 2018 book on Chernobyl reconstructs the sequence of events and assigns blame. In effect, Plokhy argues, it was the Soviet system that created Chernobyl and made the explosion inevitable. Glimmers of this understanding appear in the HBO series, too. In the final episode, Legasov, testifying as a witness, tells a Soviet court that the disaster happened because the tips of the control rods were made of graphite, which sped up the reaction, when the control rod was supposed to slow it down. When asked, by the prosecutor, why the reactor was designed this way, Legasov cites the same reason that other safety precautions are ignored and other corners are cut: “It’s cheaper.” He seems to be damning the whole system.

More often, however, we are given to believe that the three men who were put on trial—and especially one of them, a particularly unattractive villain by the name of Anatoly Dyatlov (Paul Ritter)—are to blame. We see him strong-arming younger, better men into actions that will ultimately lead to catastrophe. All because, it seems, he wants a promotion. In fact, it wasn’t the carrot of a single promotion, or even several promotions, and it wasn’t one nasty and abusive boss. It was the system, made up primarily of pliant men and women, that cut its own corners, ignored its own precautions, and ultimately blew up its own nuclear reactor for no good reason except that this was how things were done. The viewer is invited to fantasize that, if not for Dyatlov, the better men would have done the right thing and the fatal flaw in the reactor, and the system itself, might have remained latent. This is a lie.

It would be harder to show a system digging its own grave instead of an ambitious, evil man causing the disaster. In the same way, it’s harder to see dozens of scientists looking for clues when you can just create a single fantasy character who will have all the good disaster-fighting traits. This is the great-men (and one woman) narrative of history, where it’s a few steps, a few decisions, made by a few men that matter, rather than the mess that humans make and from which they suffer.

It was the stories of those who suffered that most interested Alexievich. The series actually makes use of one of the stories in her book: the story of Lyudmilla Ignatenko (Jessie Buckley), who broke the rules by staying with her firefighter husband in the hospital until he died, even though she was pregnant. (She lied about it.) Her baby lived for four hours after birth; she had apparently absorbed the radiation, saving her mother’s life. Ignatenko’s monologue in Alexievich’s book is some of the most memorable reading I have ever done. (I once asked Alexievich if people actually talk like that; she agreed that the quality of Ignatenko’s speech was “Shakespearean.”) In the series, though, Ignatenko’s story is partly shown and partly told by Khomyuk. In the great-men version of history, only the powerful have speaking parts. Even the house pets left in the “exclusion zone” after people are evacuated are shown through the eyes of men who are sent there to execute them. We never see these pets through the eyes of their owners. We hardly see any of the evacuees at all, and we are given only one indication that some people resisted and refused to leave: an old woman who, at the beginning of Episode 4, obstinately continues milking her cow after she is repeatedly ordered to move.

Testifying in court during the final episode, Legasov says, “Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid. That is how an RBMK reactor core explodes. Lies.” One would think that a vacuum created by lies could be filled by truth. Instead, it is filled by an entirely fictional, fantastical trial at which a large group of people—scientists, we are told—are given an accurate assessment of events in an accessible, brilliant speech, the likes of which Soviet courts didn’t feature.

Legasov gets the last word. He speaks of “the gift of Chernobyl: where I once would fear the cost of truth, I only ask”—the screen fades to black—“what is the cost of lies?” One might say that the cost of lies is more lies. One might say that these are fantasies, embellishments, shortcuts, and even translations. Whatever they are, they are not the truth.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-
right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong?utm_source=pocket-newtab


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Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:58 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Substitute a few words and you get us.

"The ... system of propaganda and censorship existed not so much for the purpose of spreading a particular message as for the purpose of making learning impossible, replacing facts with mush, and handing the faceless state a monopoly on defining an ever-shifting reality.

In the absence of a ... narrative, the makers of the series have used the outlines of a disaster movie. There are a few terrible men who bring the disaster about, and a few brave and all-knowing ones, who ultimately save ... from becoming uninhabitable and who tell the world the truth.

The Harvard historian Serhii Plokhy’s 2018 book reconstructs the sequence of events and assigns blame. In effect, Plokhy argues, it was the ... system that created ... and made the ... inevitable. Glimmers of this understanding appear in the HBO series, too. In the final episode, Legasov, testifying as a witness, tells a ... court that the disaster happened because - the same reason that other safety precautions are ignored and other corners were cut: “It’s cheaper.” He seems to be damning the whole system.

In fact, it wasn’t the carrot of a single promotion, or even several promotions, and it wasn’t one nasty and abusive boss. It was the system, made up primarily of pliant men and women, that cut its own corners, ignored its own precautions, and ultimately blew itself up ... for no good reason except that this was how things were done.

It would be harder to show a system digging its own grave instead of an ambitious, evil man causing the disaster. In the same way, it’s harder to see dozens of ... looking for clues when you can just create a single fantasy character who will have all the good disaster-fighting traits. This is the great-men (and one woman) narrative of history, where it’s a few steps, a few decisions, made by a few men that matter, rather than the mess that humans make and from which they suffer."

Substitute in the MSM, profit, Lehman brothers, petroleum, capitalism or any number of unquestioned western icons, and you could tell the same story of how people blew themselves up by being drones to an unstable system.

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 6:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And AOC believes we can create tubes under the ocean for trains to travel internationally.

Good luck with the earthquakes, water pressure... Cthulhu.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Who told you that? One of your Nazi buddies on 8 chan?

Dumb, dumb, dumb dumb...

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Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And AOC believes we can create tubes under the ocean for trains to travel internationally.

Good luck with the earthquakes, water pressure... Cthulhu.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Who told you that? One of your Nazi buddies on 8 chan?

Dumb, dumb, dumb dumb...





You keep talking about the Chans, yet it's your fascist buddies in the media that take everything seriously over there and try to ban the universal symbol for OK.

You hear the one about how the Hashtag is now a Nazi symbol?

I'm sure you have. Idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:51 PM

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Chernobyl’s stellar finale makes a case for the show as science fiction

www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/9/18647907/chernobyl-finale-review-hbo

The most chilling scene in the final episode of Chernobyl involves a man speaking calmly in a courtroom as he tosses aside a handful of blue placards, one by one, in favor of red ones.

The blue placards represent a nuclear plant operating as planned. The red ones represent a nuclear plant cascading toward a disaster that will soon engulf large portions of Europe in radiation, require the evacuation of an entire city, and kill as many as 90,000 people. As blue turns to red, no matter how calm the man’s voice remains, we know doom is on the horizon.

This is the trick of Chernobyl, one of my favorite TV shows of the year so far and a surprise hit for both HBO and Sky, the British network that co-funded it. The five-episode miniseries breaks down big, impossibly dense topics, in part by having actors you know and love from other projects explain them to you in minute detail. But it’s never boring, perhaps because it opens with the explosion and its immediate aftermath, so you know what’s at stake (in the worst-case scenario, an entire continent could be irradiated). It’s always compelling and often terrifying.

So many lives were lost to the bombardment of radiation in the wake of the explosion simply because, at every level of the Soviet power structure, it was easier to insist that things were okay, that the plant explosion was just a minor fire, even though it was obvious to people as far away as Sweden (who detected an alarming rise in radiation levels in the air) that something terrible had happened.

The explosion at Chernobyl starts out as very bad and then proceeds toward something much, much worse, before it is stopped from reaching “worst” by brave people who throw themselves into the path of a freight train. Yet the tension within the final episode “Vichnaya Pamyat” (which roughly translates to “everlasting memory”) is about whether the Soviet system — so deeply focused on not being humiliated — will even let the truth about the faulty construction of Chernobyl, which led to the explosion, out for public consumption.

Yet Chernobyl isn’t a polemic against nuclear power or against the Soviet Union or against communism in general. That would be too easy, and it would let American and British viewers off the hook too readily. Instead, Chernobyl is a polemic against lies.

Chernobyl writer Craig Mazin said in a recent interview that he wrote the first couple of episodes of the miniseries in the buildup to the 2016 presidential election, and the last couple episodes immediately after Donald Trump had been elevated to the Oval Office. Perhaps that’s why so much of Chernobyl seems so pointed, so directed not at the crumbling Soviet Union of the mid-1980s but at a very different and much more contemporary crumbling nation.

It takes us from what most of us already know about Chernobyl — it blew up, right? — and then slowly pushes us closer and closer, until we’re forced to look at the human cost. And only then are we ready to see all the follies and breathtaking, ass-covering incompetence that led to the unthinkable moments that followed.

More at www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/9/18647907/chernobyl-finale-review-hbo

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Monday, June 10, 2019 6:32 PM

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I have heard that this HBO show is about Trump travelling back in time to Chernobyl, so that the story is really about Trump.

Sounds like more SJW Science Fiction to me.



I have heard that in reality, the site has something like catfish which are 10 feet long - no natural predators in the area.

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have heard that this HBO show is about Trump travelling back in time to Chernobyl, so that the story is really about Trump.

Sounds like more SJW Science Fiction to me.

Ukrainian historians of the Chernobyl disaster blame the communist state machine, whose mismanagement led to the biggest catastrophe in the history of the “peaceful atom.” The Kremlin reportedly is pushing its own film about the event, blaming the CIA, which is only to be expected.
www.thedailybeast.com/chernobyl-survivors-watch-hbo-series-in-horror

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Ukrainian historians of the Chernobyl disaster blame the communist state machine, whose mismanagement led to the biggest catastrophe in the history of the “peaceful atom.”

The Kremlin **** reportedly **** is pushing its own film about the event, blaming the CIA, which is only to be expected.

Oh look, SECOND has stooped to just making shit up! This is called "vaporware" ... otherwise known as farts!

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Ukrainian historians of the Chernobyl disaster blame the communist state machine, whose mismanagement led to the biggest catastrophe in the history of the “peaceful atom.”

The Kremlin **** reportedly **** is pushing its own film about the event, blaming the CIA, which is only to be expected.

Oh look, SECOND has stooped to just making shit up! This is called "vaporware" ... otherwise known as farts!

Russia Making Own TV Series on Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster
www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-making-own-tv-series-chernobyl-n
uclear-disaster-1216383


It features KGB officers searching for a CIA agent stationed at the nuclear power plant. The Hollywood Report says it again: The series will follow a group of Soviet KGB officers tasked with uncovering a CIA agent stationed at the Chernobyl nuclear plant and involved in espionage. Signym, you are a Russian troll.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 4:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The Hollywood Report says it ...
Yep. The Hollywood Reporter. I think that says it all.

Maybe this belongs in the "predictions" thread so we don't lose track of what the Hollywood Reporter predicted. Let me know when it comes out.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

The Hollywood Report says it ...
Yep. The Hollywood Reporter. I think that says it all.

Maybe this belongs in the "predictions" thread so we don't lose track of what the Hollywood Reporter predicted. Let me know when it comes out.

Signym, isn't The Reporter a tiny bit different than me making up the story, as you accused? You could have leaped upon the story synopsis for Russia's version of Chernobyl, which does NOT say the CIA sabotaged Chernobyl, only that the CIA was sneaking a peek.

Every movie needs a villain, so the CIA will probably be the villain in the Russian version, but who knows? On the American TV show version, the villain is Dyatlov, but in reality: “For almost 30 years we’ve been telling our visitors that the failing state machine paralyzed by secrecy was to blame for the disaster, not the supervising engineer, [Anatoly] Dyatlov, or his crew.” Continuing: “The series portrays Anatoly Dyatlov, the supervising engineer of that tragic night shift, as an evil and even stupid person — that is not true. He was sometimes tough, but never demonic; it was not his fault the reactor was bad.”

www.thedailybeast.com/chernobyl-survivors-watch-hbo-series-in-horror

Chernobyl show creator Craig Mazin knew he was bending the story to make it more dramatic rather than a truth filled documentary. He had to seriously hurt the feelings of some real people (including Dyatlov's family) who were there when it happened if he was going to get HBO to pay for making the show. Maybe they should sue Craig Mazin and HBO for defamation of character, libel, or something? I think their chances of winning a judgment is about the same as Signym and 1kiki winning against me calling them Russian Trolls -- zero chance, but they can try!



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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

The Hollywood Report says it ...
Yep. The Hollywood Reporter. I think that says it all.

Maybe this belongs in the "predictions" thread so we don't lose track of what the Hollywood Reporter predicted. Let me know when it comes out.

He even lies about the Hollywood Reporter, or just can't keep his lies straight.
He lies claiming a film is being made, without any handy linkies. Then when his lie is exposed, he provides a link to The Hollywood Reporter story about a TV Series, not a film.

Maybe these Russian Trolls don't know any difference between Films and TV Series?

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

The Hollywood Report says it ...
Yep. The Hollywood Reporter. I think that says it all.

Maybe this belongs in the "predictions" thread so we don't lose track of what the Hollywood Reporter predicted. Let me know when it comes out.


He even lies about the Hollywood Reporter, or just can't keep his lies straight.
He lies claiming a film is being made, without any handy linkies. Then when his lie is exposed, he provides a link to The Hollywood Reporter story about a TV Series, not a film.

Maybe these Russian Trolls don't know any difference between Films and TV Series?

JewelStaiteFan, you are so fucking stupid it is no surprise you support Trump. This is why I fire Republicans from my business: you guys are more trouble than you are worth because you barely understand what your job is, much like the semi-incompetent people designing, building, maintaining, and operating the nuclear power plants at Chernobyl. www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russia-making-own-tv-series-chernobyl-n
uclear-disaster-1216383


Part 2 of the Podcast about Chernobyl



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Wednesday, June 12, 2019 5:55 AM

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The Chernobyl Podcast | Part Three



The Chernobyl Podcast | Part Four



The Chernobyl Podcast | Part Five



Top 10 Things HBO's Chernobyl Got Factually Right And Wrong



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Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
JewelStaiteFan, you are so fucking stupid it is no surprise you support Trump. This is why I fire Republicans from my business: you guys are more trouble than you are worth because you barely understand what your job is, much like the semi-incompetent people designing, building, maintaining, and operating the nuclear power plants at Chernobyl.



Thanks for the laugh and the podcasts - listening to the first one in a few.

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Wednesday, June 12, 2019 11:54 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The Hollywood Report says it ... SECONDHAND

Yep. The Hollywood Reporter. I think that says it all.
Maybe this belongs in the "predictions" thread so we don't lose track of what the Hollywood Reporter predicted. Let me know when it comes out. SIGNYM

Signym, isn't The Reporter a tiny bit different than me making up the story, as you accused?- SECONDHAND

Everyone knows that you rarely post your own opinions, but kipe any anti-Trump piece of go se from the internet and splatter it here, even if you need to edit it to change its meaning, or whether or not it makes any sense or contradicts the immediately previous thing that you posted. That's why I sometimes call you SECONDHAND. Whether you kipe fake news or make it your onw by selective editing (yanno, kind of like Mueller) doesn't make much difference to me,

You still post farts.


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Wednesday, June 12, 2019 11:58 AM

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JewelStaiteFan, you are so fucking stupid it is no surprise you support Trump. This is why I fire Republicans from my business: you guys are more trouble than you are worth because you barely understand what your job is, much like the semi-incompetent people designing, building, maintaining, and operating the nuclear power plants at Chernobyl.-SECONDRATE

Not only do you post politically-motivated death threats and death wishes, and claim that you hate many Americans, you also fire people for political reasons.

Wow, it's a good thing you haven't been doxxed. A lot of investigators might be interested in you.


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Monday, June 17, 2019 8:21 PM

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Chernobyl
https://xkcd.com/2163/

You know when you can't hear your speakers, and you keep turning various volume controls up higher and higher in confusion, and then someone hits the mute button and there's a deafening blast of sound? That's basically what happened at Chernobyl.

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Monday, June 17, 2019 9:05 PM

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Goddamned Russians.

Colluding with improper safety protocols.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 17, 2019 9:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:


JewelStaiteFan, you are so fucking stupid it is no surprise you support Trump. This is why I fire Republicans from my business: you guys are more trouble than you are worth because you barely understand what your job is, much like the semi-incompetent people designing, building, maintaining, and operating the nuclear power plants at Chernobyl.-SECONDRATE

Not only do you post politically-motivated death threats and death wishes, and claim that you hate many Americans, you also fire people for political reasons.

Wow, it's a good thing you haven't been doxxed. A lot of investigators might be interested in you.



Unfortunately, it seems that he's already off the hook for firing people based off of their political beliefs. At least in 2019, there doesn't appear to be any grounds for legal recourse.

There are, however, some fairly high profile cases making their way up the courts regarding this as we speak.

I doubt that any laws made against this practice will ever be enforced retroactively. But all the same, I wouldn't want confessions of it all over the internet if I owned a cow farting factory that only employs Democrats.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Unfortunately, it seems that he's already off the hook for firing people based off of their political beliefs. At least in 2019, there doesn't appear to be any grounds for legal recourse.

There are, however, some fairly high profile cases making their way up the courts regarding this as we speak.

Please cite even one of those cases, 6ix.

Federal laws don’t prohibit political discrimination. Neither do Texas laws, comrade.
www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-discriminate-based-on-po
litical-beliefs-or-affiliation.html


www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/texas-employment-discrimination-32114.
html


On the TV show Chernobyl, they are constantly using the word comrade. It gave them a false sense of equality. Makes them feel better, but after the reactor emergency, it became very obvious, like in Animal Farm, Orwell’s satire about communism, that some comrades are more equal than others. Trump voters also fall for the American version of comrade ("All men are created equal."). They get very bitter and vote for Trump when their dreamed of equal status isn’t recognized by the boss who fired them because he has his own agenda and emergencies. It feels sad and depressing to be roughly treated when all men are created equal in the land of the "free" and the home of the "brave". Vote for Trump, comrade. He will "protect" you from people like me and he will make America great again. He’ll also give me another million dollar tax cut. In his second term he might raise the minimum wage by a dollar. Or not, depending on how Mitch McConnell in the Senate feels about it. We’ll see.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Please cite even one of those cases, 6ix.



You've got Google. Use it.

Quote:

Federal laws don’t prohibit political discrimination. Neither do Texas laws, comrade.


Yup. That's what I JUST SAID.

Laws change, however. Every day.


Your gross confessions here are the very reason why they do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You know when you can't hear your speakers, and you keep turning various volume controls up higher and higher in confusion, and then someone hits the mute button and there's a deafening blast of sound? That's basically what happened at Chernobyl.





Enjoying the podcasts, second. >Pat on back< I was happy to hear Mazin make the same observation that I made about: "only Russia would eff it up like this, and only Russia could fix it (with their sense of blind nationalism, and self-sacrifice to the State").

Also finding the details about the production very interesting. I spent a lot of the show marveling at the perfect level of replication of Russian Brutalism. Of course, that's because they found actual real life examples. You can tell so much about a country from their architecture (and food, and sport, and language...).

And again, props to the music creator and director, and the people who decided to take the chance on using such a unique score.


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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:06 AM

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I'm sure the US could eff it up just as bad.

No doubt that China could too, what with putting lead paint on children's toys and making microwaveable plastic dishes and pet food that causes cancer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Please cite even one of those cases, 6ix.



You've got Google. Use it.

Quote:

Federal laws don’t prohibit political discrimination. Neither do Texas laws, comrade.


Yup. That's what I JUST SAID.

Laws change, however. Every day.


Your gross confessions here are the very reason why they do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those laws will not change in states where the GOP is in control because the GOP doesn't want to limit what the bosses can do to their employees. That is why the GOP is hostile to unions, which also limit what bosses can do to employees. In Chernobyl the bosses can do whatever they please, even executing employee/comrades or simply jailing them for years as an example to other employee/comrades.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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You are a very silly man.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:01 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


After watching the HBO miniseries, I knew there was more to the science of this. I've also heard a lot of stuff from both credible and non-credible sources that just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
What /Actually/ Happened at Chernobyl


Why Chernobyl Exploded - The Real Physics Behind The Reactor



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:22 AM

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After watching the HBO miniseries, I knew there was more to the science of this. I've also heard a lot of stuff from both credible and non-credible sources that just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
What /Actually/ Happened at Chernobyl
Why Chernobyl Exploded - The Real Physics Behind The Reactor



Enjoyed the first video, second, thanks. I'm going to let my brain cool before watching the second one.

Not sure if you have seen AMC's The Terror. A mini series starring the same actor that portrayed Legasov, Jared Harris. He's pretty good in that series as well - such an unlikely actor, which is cool. It's a Ridley Scott produced show and is quite good imho.



Bonus, season 2, The Terror: Infamy, premieres on August 12th on AMC. It shifts the setting to World War II and the focus to Japanese internment camps.


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Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:54 PM

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Hey... JoBlo.

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Friday, June 21, 2019 7:22 AM

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Not sure if you have seen AMC's The Terror. A mini series starring the same actor that portrayed Legasov, Jared Harris. He's pretty good in that series as well - such an unlikely actor, which is cool. It's a Ridley Scott produced show and is quite good imho.

Bonus, season 2, The Terror: Infamy, premieres on August 12th on AMC. It shifts the setting to World War II and the focus to Japanese internment camps.


I saw The Terror. I won't see The Terror:Infamy. Those tales don't entertain me about supernatural monsters with human-like intent to terrorize, possibly because of the book "Faces in the Clouds: A New Theory of Religion". I can see what mental button those tales are pressing, hammering on the human control panel. www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-19-506901-3

The book shows that most people will systematically anthropomorphize -- they attribute human characteristics to nonhuman things and events. People find a wide range of humanlike beings plausible: Gods, spirits, abominable snowmen. The Terror had a snowman and The Terror:Infamy will have spirits but both shows will be pushing the same button on the audience: fear the supernatural.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 21, 2019 9:44 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Not sure if you have seen AMC's The Terror. A mini series starring the same actor that portrayed Legasov, Jared Harris. He's pretty good in that series as well - such an unlikely actor, which is cool. It's a Ridley Scott produced show and is quite good imho.

Bonus, season 2, The Terror: Infamy, premieres on August 12th on AMC. It shifts the setting to World War II and the focus to Japanese internment camps.


I saw The Terror. I won't see The Terror:Infamy. Those tales don't entertain me about supernatural monsters with human-like intent to terrorize, possibly because of the book "Faces in the Clouds: A New Theory of Religion". I can see what mental button those tales are pressing, hammering on the human control panel. www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-19-506901-3

The book shows that most people will systematically anthropomorphize -- they attribute human characteristics to nonhuman things and events. People find a wide range of humanlike beings plausible: Gods, spirits, abominable snowmen. The Terror had a snowman and The Terror:Infamy will have spirits but both shows will be pushing the same button on the audience: fear the supernatural.




Interesting. I never expect that much from TV programming. As a one time film major (wank) I am much more interested in story telling, lighting, editing, scoring, acting - the craft of the medium - and the intangibles that can happen when even low art is attempted. I put my faith in Ridley Scott to check a lot of those boxes and am rarely disappointed.

Another Scott mini series that was enjoyable when it wasn't trying too hard:


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