How it is possible to acquit someone at a trial with NO witnesses when witnesses were present at the time of the CRIME?? DIRTY MONEY and DIRTY SELF-SERVING LAWYERS by WISHIMAY

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How it is possible to acquit someone at a trial with NO witnesses when witnesses were present at the time of the CRIME?? DIRTY MONEY and DIRTY SELF-SERVING LAWYERS

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:02
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Friday, February 7, 2020 2:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNY:Thank you for avoiding the questions, like you always do.

SECOND: Your question was poorly worded. It should have been If Obama refused to pay his taxes, would you remove him from office? I certainly would.

I wouldn't.That does not meet the definition of "treason, high crimes, and midsdemeanors"

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SECOND: If Obama ordered a coverup of his operations in Ukraine, would you remove him from office? I certainly would.

Poorly worded. WHAT "operations"?

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SECOND: If Obama threatened Ukraine to get a fake investigation started, would you remove him from office? I certainly would.

Poorly worded. What do you mean by "fake"? That there was no evidence of a crime? If that's the case, there is sufficient evidence that the "Russian collusion/ Crossfire Hurricane" investigation was fake, and that the investigators knew it was fake (because of the careful omission of info from the FISA warrant) so the investigation itself, and the investigators, certainly deserve to be investigated.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, since SECOND, CC, WISHY, JO, etc don't seem to want to discuss this, I guess I'll have to do this on my own.

When certain politicians' behaviors cross my ethical lines it's like an out-of-bounds ball, it make a buzz in my head. Bill Clinton's behavior with Monica, while skeezy and inappropriate, wasn't worth impeachment.

Here are moments that buzzed:

Bill Clinton: DMCA; China special trade relationship; the "end of welfare as we know it"; "regime change war" in Yugoslavia; Commodities Futures Trading Act; NAFTA; CAFTA (negotiations); ending Glass Steagall

GWB: 9-11; "regime change" wars in Afghanistan and Iraq based on lies; torture, extraordinary rendition, and Gitmo; GWOT; beginning wiretapping Americans' communications by tapping into AT&T's SF server; Patriot Act; tax cuts for the rich and massive deficit spending; driving wealth inequality and setting us up for 2008; China accession into WTO; CAFTA (signed)

Obama: bailing out the banks with NO prosecutions; driving wealth inequality higher (Occupy, anyone?); near-universal electronic surveillance of Americans and massive NSA server in Utah; "regime change wars" in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya; 10X expanded secret drone strikes in Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia; executing an American citizen abroad without trial; TPP/TTIP (negotiated); and (of course) continuing "regime chnage" efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan; continuing Gitmo; even more massive deficit spending; ordering (or at least not stopping) surveillance on the Trump campaign under false pretenses

Trump: Expanded secret drone strike program (most ppl don't know about that); "regime change" operations thru crippling sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran; backing out of the JPCOA; Mideast Peace Plan ("Deal of the Century"); even more massive government deficit spending and greater wealth inequality than before; continued "regime change" operations begun under previous Presidents; continued surveillance of Americans begun under previous Presidents: give me some time and I'll probably come up with more.

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So to be specific about Ukrainegate, it's not that candidates should not be investigated while running for office.

Candidate HILLARY was being investigted.
Candidate TRUMP was being investigated ...
What makes Biden so special?

The ethical line that was crossed is that Trump was being investigated under FALSE ALLEGATIONS, and the FBI knew it. You can see by the fact that they worded their FISA warrant application so carefully. The OTHER ethical boundary that was crossed was that the (false, and eventually disproved) allegations were being constantly leaked to the press.

So, Trump wanting to have Biden investigated is not a facial cause for concern, IMHO. I don't see any wrongdoing there.

Does anyone care to take this conversation further?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:43 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND: Your question was poorly worded.

Poorly worded.

Poorly worded.

What's the point of having a conversation with someone who is either too dumb to get past wording to ponder the point, or too manipulative to not bugger with wording as to distract from other people making a point.

Either way, you are pointless

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:57 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hon, if you're too incoherent to clearly present your meaning, no conversation is even possible.

Hey, WISHY, how about that conversation that Signy and I never had? Yanno, the one only you saw?

Belief is for wimps and mental midgets!

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNY:

SECOND: Your question was poorly worded.
Poorly worded.
Poorly worded.

TWITCHY: What's the point of having a conversation with someone who is either too dumb to get past wording to ponder the point, or too manipulative to not bugger with wording as to distract from other people making a point.

a) The first person to bring up "poor wording" was SECOND.
b) How can you have a "conversation" with someone who refuses to be clear about what they're saying? May as well try to have a rational discussion with someone who's drunk, or high, or crazy ...

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

lol at Princess, white knighting for Second from the truck stop in Nilbog.

Must have finally got them that newfangled wi-fi down in them there parts of Southern Indiana, I reckon.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:38 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hon, if you're too incoherent to clearly present your meaning, no conversation is even possible.

If you're too much of a manipulative harpy to have a conversation without being a manipulative harpy, maybe you should just talk to yourself??

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:41 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
May as well try to have a rational discussion with someone who's drunk, or high, or crazy ...

That's what the rest of us have BEEN DOING with you three.
In fact -High, Drunk, and Crazy- yeah....that works...

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:44 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
from the truck stop in Nilbog.

We don't even have a gas station, much less a truck stop...but I know where one is if you'd like to find a nice burly trucker to make you feel like a man.

Lord knows you aren't going to become one any other way...

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:54 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Get a grip already. Those senators are saying what Trump did was too little to remove him over it.

Some president did something

I'm sure when Chump tries to turn dictator, you're gonna be thrilled. It's ok, it won't last long. I'm up for a bloody revolution.

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:58 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Get a grip already. Those senators are saying what Trump did was too little to remove him over it.

Some president did something

I'm sure when Chump tries to turn dictator, you're gonna be thrilled. It's ok. I'm up for a bloody revolution.

Oh. We all know about your toxicity and how you can't wait for an excuse.

Sadly, for you at least, Trump isn't going to turn dictator. So your homicidal urges are going to have to be coped with internally if you continue to choose to stay off of your meds.

We've noticed your posting habits. It's quite clear when you are on and when you are not on your prescribed medications.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNY: May as well try to have a rational discussion with someone who's drunk, or high, or crazy ...

WISHY That's what the rest of us have BEEN DOING with you three.
In fact -High, Drunk, and Crazy- yeah....that works...

Let's not forget, hon, that YOU were the one who objected to clarity in posting, because ... yeah ... it's so very helpful when people post things that are clear as mud.

And thanks for taking my comment out of context, personally insulting me, KIKI, and SIX, and "mind reading" how we feel about Trump. You're just a troll, but you're too narcissistic to realize it.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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