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HR 1: Election Reform Bill

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Friday, March 5, 2021 5:56 PM

SIGNYM

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I know SIX already posted a link, but this is an explanation of what's in the bill:

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Every Democrat but one voted late March 3 for H.R. 1, a massive voting reform bill that has drawn harsh criticism from the GOP.

Every Republican voted against the bill. They were joined by Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.).

Thompson told The Epoch Times that he heard from constituents who opposed certain portions of the legislation.

“My constituents opposed the redistricting portion of the bill as well as the section on public finances. I always listen and vote in the interest of my constituents,” he said in an emailed statement.

H.R. 1 would require congressional redistricting to be conducted through independent commissions, or a three-judge court.

Membership on the commissions would be open to any citizen of the state through an application process, barring people who have held or hold office, candidates for office, and people who have worked on political campaigns.

Six members would be chosen by “a nonpartisan agency established or designated by a State,” the bill states.

Two from each party, and two independents, would be chosen on a random basis from the approved selection pool.

Those members would then appoint three other members from each of the two major parties and three independents.

Commission members would be banned from “drawing maps to favor a political property” and would be required to meet other criteria [like what?] in deciding where lines go. They would also have to hear from the public before approving a final map.

The legislation would also prohibit mid-decade redistricting.

Another section deals with campaign finance.

The legislation condemns the Citizens United Supreme Court decision and calls for amending the Constitution “so that Congress and the States may regulate and set limits on the raising and spending of money to influence elections and may distinguish between natural persons and artificial entities, like corporations, that are created by law, including by prohibiting such artificial entities from spending money to influence elections.”

Additionally, it would reduce the number of members on the Federal Election Commission and limit those who could serve on the commission.

Republicans on the House floor before the vote denounced the bill, including portions that would require funding [by who?] for campaigns.

“Americans love election season. They love the endless political acts, having their phones blown up by political calls and texts, having their email inboxes littered with solicitations from wannabe politicians. My phone keeps ringing off the hook from all of my constituents just pleading for Congress to use their dollars to fund more campaign ads. This is the fantasy world that government bureaucrats and career politicians who want a federal takeover of our elections live in,” Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) told colleagues.

“They want to take Americans’ money and give it to campaigns in a 6:1 ratio, effectively forcing you to support political campaigns you don’t support.”

But Democrats said the bill would bring necessary changes to elections.

“As a former voting rights attorney, I have seen firsthand the devastation on the faces of Americans when they are denied their ability to make their voice heard in our elections because they missed an arbitrary deadline

Deadlines exist in order for processing and database updating to occur
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or showed up to their old polling place.
That's what provisional ballots are for
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It’s heartbreaking and not who we are as nation,” Rep. Colin Allred (D-Texas) said.
What a pity party!

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“On today’s vote, we as a Congress have the opportunity to affirmatively expand access to voting. This bill would do so by allowing for automatic and same-day voter registration and establishing a national early voting period while also enacting key reforms that will make our elections more secure and will ensure Americans and only Americans take part in them.”


TEXT OF BILL
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
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This is one of the problems with how partisan politics work. Instead of considering each item separately ... say, for example, banning corporations from being regarded as "natural people" .... they create these ginormous Frankenstein monsters and shove the bad in with the good.

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Friday, March 5, 2021 6:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Georgia and Arizona are already working on their own voting reform bills.

The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting. I would expect to see a Supreme Court challenge to many aspects of HR1.

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Friday, March 5, 2021 6:02 PM

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Georgia House Passes Omnibus Election Reform Bill


https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-house-passes-omnibus-election-re
form-bill_3716434.html


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Friday, March 5, 2021 6:07 PM

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Arizona Senate Wins Battle to Audit 2020 Vote

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The Senate has prevailed in its nearly three-month battle to investigate the results of the 2020 election.

A Maricopa County judge on Friday ruled the Legislature “clearly has the power to investigate and examine election reform matters,” which means Maricopa County must hand over all 2.1 million ballots along with all equipment, software and machinery used to count those votes, along with detailed information on every person who voted.

Three things should now happen:
1. Don't appeal. Let the Senate do this

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors should not appeal the ruling. This thing has festered long enough and though there’s been no evidence that the election was stolen from President Donald Trump, there’s no convincing Republican voters of that.

Where reasonable people used to believe in our elections absent evidence of a reason not to, a shockingly high number of Republican voters now are absolutely convinced that democracy has been corrupted.

Pre- and post-election testing of the tabulation machinery and the sample hand counts of ballots that were required by state law and showed no evidence of a problem? They weren’t good enough.

Eight elections lawsuits in both state and federal court that turned up no evidence of fraud? They weren’t good enough.

Two independent audits clearing the Dominion Voting Systems machinery, completed just week in Republican-run Maricopa County? They didn’t change a single mind.

It’s now time to let Senate Republicans do a proctology exam on Joe Biden’s win in Arizona. Let them now prove that our elections are, as many of them have spent months telling us, rotten to the core.


2. Hire a truly independent auditor

If they want the credibility they refused to give to Maricopa County, then Senate Republicans should hire an elections expert who is truly independent to sift through the county’s 2.1 million ballots and examine all the equipment and machinery used to count those votes.

This shouldn’t be a political witch hunt, but there have been some indications that it might be.

Senate President Karen Fann was all set to hire Allied Security Operations Group to conduct the audit, until reporters got wind of it. This is the company that supplied error-riddled information to Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell as they ran around the country howling about krakens and crooked elections and such.

Just this week, one of ASOG’s employees, Phil Waldron, appeared on One America News segment entitled “The Arizona Election Heist.”

Fann quickly back pedaled after reporters obtained internal emails from Senate attorneys to ASOG, outlining the scope of work.

But on what planet could Fann have even considered that these so-called "experts" would be an acceptable choice for an independent examination of Arizona’s ballots and voting equipment?

Even so, I’m going to take Fann at her word that she intends an unbiased examination of the election. And that someone will be there watching the experts to ensure there is no funny business with the ballots.

“Hopefully, with a proper, independent and detailed audit, we will start to restore voter confidence in election integrity,” Senate Republicans said in a statement issued after Judge Thomason’s ruling.


3. Hold folks accountable, fraud or not

Speaking of restoring voter confidence, Senate Republicans should agree that the end result of this audit should not just bring us the usual bills to try to make it more difficult to vote in the future. We also need actual accountability for what happened in 2020.

If widespread fraud or error is found, as so many Republicans believe, then break out the Lysol and commence with a wholesale disinfection of Arizona’s elections offices. Heads should roll like bowling balls, whether it’s to the unemployment office or prison.

BUT, if the coming proctology exam turns up no evidence of fraud or human error of the sort that changed the outcome, then the politicians who have spent months spreading baseless lies about a stolen election should be held accountable for their actions.

It's a given that Reps. Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs and Debbie Lesko would need to go. These three Arizona congressional representatives stood on the House floor and voted to invalidate their own state’s election results.

But don't forget state Rep. Mark Finchem and Sens. Kelly Townsend and Wendy Rogers and the nearly two dozen other Republicans who have slandered our system to the point where it may take years to restore voter confidence in our elections — and thus in those who we elect.

Should the coming Senate audit result in a finding that nothing nefarious happened here, every Republican official who screamed “Stop the Steal” should resign in shame.

Every. Last. One Of Them.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2021/02/26
/arizona-senate-won-heres-how-its-election-investigation-should-go/6837942002
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Friday, March 5, 2021 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The Constitution clearly gives states the right to decide how to conduct their voting.

Sorry, Russian troll, it does NOT:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
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For now, state political parties control the voting process to their own advantage. No other democratic country allows this. Voting in national elections should be regulated at the national level, just as the Constitution suggests.

Congress should set the rules for registration and voting and they should be the same for every state. This is so obvious that it barely even needs to be defended.

HR1 would do this.



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Friday, March 5, 2021 7:44 PM

SIGNYM

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The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.

HR1 attempts to fix "problems" that are not demonstrated to be problems, in order to create advantage for Democrats.



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Friday, March 5, 2021 8:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.

HR1 attempts to fix "problems" that are not demonstrated to be problems, in order to create advantage for Democrats.

Every county in Texas has a different voting system. There is some overlap in the systems used in different counties because the clerk in one county might ask how they run elections in the four adjacent counties, but it is very nonuniform in different places and in some counties pretty damn close to chaos. I hope others states have more sensible systems, but the recounts and court cases in 2020 show that there is far too much flexibility in how each county or city can run their little piece of a national election.

Once in while, Congress tries to regulate this mess, making the process a little more uniform from place to place: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-4/cla
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HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.

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Friday, March 5, 2021 8:28 PM

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I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.

It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.

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Friday, March 5, 2021 9:11 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.

It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.

This is the bill introduced in House (01/04/2021). If you didn't see it, you were wrong again:

Subtitle F
—Promoting Accuracy, Integrity, And Security Through Voter-Verified
Permanent Paper Ballot
SEC. 1501. SHORT TITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the “Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2021”.
SEC. 1502. PAPER BALLOT AND MANUAL COUNTING REQUIREMENTS.
(a) In General.—Section 301(a)(2) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (52 U.S.C. 21081(a)(2)) is amended to read as follows:
“(2) Paper ballot requirement.—
“(A) VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS.—
“(i) PAPER BALLOT REQUIREMENT.—_(I) The voting system shall require the use of an individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot of the voter’s vote that shall be marked and made available for inspection and verification by the voter before the voter’s vote is cast and counted, and which shall be counted by hand or read by an optical character recognition device or other counting device. For purposes of this subclause, the term ‘individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot’ means a paper ballot marked by the voter by hand or a paper ballot marked through the use of a nontabulating ballot marking device or system, so long as the voter shall have the option to mark his or her ballot by hand.
“(II) The voting system shall provide the voter with an opportunity to correct any error on the paper ballot before the permanent voter-verified paper ballot is preserved in accordance with clause (ii).
“(Ill) The voting system shall not preserve the voter-verified paper ballots in any manner that makes it possible, at any time after the ballot has been cast, to associate a voter with the record of the voter’s vote without the voter’s consent.
“(ii) PRESERVATION AS OFFICIAL RECORD.—The individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballot used in accordance with clause (i) shall constitute the official ballot and shall be preserved and used as the official ballot for purposes of any recount or audit conducted with respect to any election for Federal office in which the voting system is used.

More at https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
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Friday, March 5, 2021 9:40 PM

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What part of statistical analysis (as in the Mitofsky Report and per recommendation by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project) for validation (as opposed to verification) is in the bill?

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

What part of statistical analysis (as in the Mitofsky Report and per recommendation by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project) for validation (as opposed to verification) is in the bill?

HR-1 mentions reports 454 times. The first time is Annual reports on voter registration statistics. Is a "Mitofsky Report", or the equivalent, in there? Maybe. I will let you look for it. But if a Mitofsky Report is not specifically mentioned by name, Congress can always request a special report "for validation".

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:40 AM

SIGNYM

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The problem with HR1 is that it is TOO BIG ... just like a lot of other boondoggle bills. They don't call it a "omnibus" bill for nothing!

Anyone can find something in there to promote, and present the bill "as" something, when in reality there are an awful lot of provisions in it. Many are positive- many [more IMHO] are negative. Instead of just waving our arms in the air and discussing somebody's interpretation of a single point of HR1, let's get down to specifics.

Here is HR1 content, by title

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PART 1 -PROMOTING INTERNET REGISTRATION


I can see a LOT of problems with this one already! How do you prove your citizenship and your identity online? Anyone could claim to be anyone unless they have to present their birth certificate or naturalization papers and picture ID, and doing this isn't possible online, nor is the internet secure. In addition, the people most likely to benefit from this - rural, poor, elderly etc- are also the people least likely to have access.

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PART 2- AUTOMATIC VOTER REGISTRATION


More problems here, too. Unless the person is getting a "real ID"-equivalent driver's license, identity can be spoofed.

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PART 3 - SAME DAY VOTER REGISTRATION


More problems here, too. Difficulty in making sure that the same person is not registered in two, or three, places, because there is no time to go across the voter rolls and eliminate multiple entries.

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PART 4 - CONDITIONS ON REMOVAL ON BASIS OF INTERSTATE CROSS CHECKS


The law makes it easier to add people to the voter rolls (interfering in state and county functioning), and harder to remove them on statewide or countywide checks.

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PART 5- OTHER INITIATIVES TO PROMOTE VOTER REGISTRATION

Why "promote" voter registration? I can see removing barriers, but handing out registration like candy to 2-year olds, because people don't make the effort to register themselves?

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PART 6- AVAILABILITY OF HAVA PAYMENTS REQUIREMENTS

If this is what I think it is, then helping people pay for the necessary ID documents is a good idea.

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PART 7 - PROHIBITING INTERFERNCE WITH VOTER REGISTRATION

I can't imagine actual interference with voter registration. I CAN, however, imagine Dems into interpreting insistence on ACTUAL ID DOCUMENTS as being "interference". I would have to read the bill in detail to see the scope of this provision.

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PART 8- VOTER REGISTRATION EFFICIENCY ACT

Has to do with driver's license application to a new state.

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PART 9 - PROVIDING VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION TO SECONDAR SCHOOL STUDENTS

Um, OK. Voting age... is it the same from state to state?

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PART 10 - VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS

Nakedly partisan act. Minors can't enter into contracts, purchase addictive substances, drive after dark an without an adult, or serve on a jury, join the military, but they can vote???

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SUBTITLE B- ACCESS TO VOTING FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES


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SUBTITLE C- PROHIBITING VOTER CAGING

For the uninitiated "voter caging" is "challenging the registration status of voters and calling into question the legality of allowing them to vote."

It's legal in many states, and seems to be a reasonable provision. How else do you remove invalid registrations??

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SUBTITLE D - PROHIBITING DECEPTIVE PRACTICES AND PREVENTING VOTER INTIMIDATION
Nobody is in favor of deceptive practices (like providing wrong dat, time, or place of vote) but I can see this stretched to include legitimate actions, like requiring signatures or 6-foot spacing or security guards as a form of "intimidation"

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SUBTITLE E- DEMOCRACY RESTORIATION

This appears to be about restoring right to vote after imprisonment and release

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SUBTITLE F - PROMOTING ACCURACY, INTEGRITY, AND SECURITY THROUGH VOTER-VERIFIED PERMANENT PAPER BALLOT

Finally! Appears to solve a problem.

Now, about verifying those mail-in ballots???

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SUBTITLE G- PROVISIONAL BALLOT


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SUBTITLE H - EARLY VOTING


Solves a problem that doesn't exist.

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SUBTITLE I- VOTE BY MAIL


Nowhere in the sub-subtitles do I see a provision for anything like "chain of custody". Needs detailed reading.

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 3:40 PM

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Key Things You Need to Know About HR 1, the For the People Act of 2021
By Masooma Haq
March 6, 2021 Updated: March 6, 2021


On Wednesday, Democrats in the House passed H.R. 1, the For the People Act of 2021, which was introduced by Rep. John Sarbanes (D-Md.). The election reform package, if passed by the Senate, would transfer authority over how elections are administered from states to the federal government, subject private citizens to intimidation and harassment for their private and political beliefs, and make permanent many voting rules that opponents say lead to voter fraud.

The 791 page-long H.R. 1 legislation package, which was marked up by members of the 116th Congress, was adopted without much debate. Some provisions, like ensuring that all voting machines used in U.S. elections are also manufactured in the United States or increasing access for voters with disabilities, are supported by both sides, but most other provisions are contentious.

The sweeping election reform package is divided into three major sections; the second section is the main body of the legislation, with three subsections: a) Voting, b) Campaign Finance, and c) Ethics. Section three is the Findings of General Constitutional Authority and section four is the Standards for Judicial Review.

These are some of the key changes to election laws in H.R. 1:

Gives the federal government authority to administer elections: Although the U.S. Constitution gives states the authority to run their elections as they see fit, Democrats have interpreted the Constitution in their favor, stating in H.R. 1, “Congress finds that it has broad authority to regulate the time, place, and manner of congressional elections under the Elections Clause of the Constitution, Article I, section 4.”

Limits a plaintiff’s access to federal courts when challenging H.R. 1: It would mandate that any lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of H.R. 1 could only be filed in the District Court for the District of Columbia and all plaintiffs would be required “to file joint papers or to be represented by a single attorney at oral argument.”

Mandates automatic voter registration (AVR) in all 50 states (19 states currently have AVR): Democrats call this “modernizing” elections, meaning automatically registering any person that has given information to designated government agencies, such as the Department of Motor Vehicles, a public university, or a social service agency would be registered. It mandates same-day and online registration.

Mandates no-fault absentee ballots: This provision would do away with witness signature or notarization requirements for absentee ballots. Additionally, it would force states to accept absentee ballots received up to 10 days after Election Day.

Prevents election officials from removing ineligible voters from registries or confirming the eligibility and qualifications of voters: The bill would make it illegal to verify the address of registered voters, cross-checking voter registration lists to find individuals registered in multiple states, or ever removing registrants no matter how much time has elapsed.

Restores the Voting Rights Act: This provision would require states to obtain approval from the federal government before implementing any voting rules changes. H.R. 1 would add a provision criminalizing “hindering, interfering, or preventing” anyone from registering or voting.

Bans state voter ID laws: It would force states to allow individuals to vote without an ID and instead they could merely sign a statement in which they claim they are who they say they are.

Ensures illegal immigrants can vote: The bill would shield non-citizens from prosecution if they are registered to vote automatically and agencies are not required to keep records of who declined to affirm their citizenship.

Allows same-day voter registration: “Each State shall permit any eligible individual on the day of a Federal election and on any day when voting, including early voting, is permitted for a Federal election—to register to vote in such election at the polling place … [and] to cast a vote in such election.” The section includes a clause that requires same-day voter registration to be implemented in time for the upcoming elections in 2022.

Requires registration for those under 18: “States to carry out a plan to increase the involvement of individuals under 18 years of age in public election activities in the State.”

Prohibits the publication of “misleading information” about elections: The bill makes it a federal crime to “communicate or cause to be communicated information” that is knowingly false, and designed to discourage voting, carrying with it a sentence of up to five years.

Allows felons to vote: It limits federal dollars to prisons of those states who do not register ex-convicts to vote. The provision is called the “Democracy Restoration Act.” The bill says that all felons can vote unless they are “serving a felony sentence in a correctional institution or facility at the time of the election.”

Mandates early voting: “Each State shall allow individuals to vote in an election for Federal office during an early voting period which occurs prior to the date of the election, in the same manner as voting is allowed on such date.”

Legalizes nationwide vote-by-mail, without photo ID: States are required to provide for an absentee vote-by-mail in elections for Federal offices and “may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot.” A witness signature will not be required.

Promotes ballot harvesting: The bill says states “shall permit a voter to designate any person to return a voted and sealed absentee ballot to the post office, a ballot drop-off location, tribally designated building, or election office so long as the person designated to return the ballot does not receive any form of compensation based on the number of ballots” and ” may not put any limit on how many voted and sealed absentee ballots any designated person can return.”

Requires states to accept ballots 10 days after Election Day: The bill requires states to accept any mailed ballots postmarked before, or on, Election Day if they arrive within 10 days of the election. It allows states to expand that deadline.

Prohibits state election officials from campaigning in federal elections: The bill bans “a chief State election administration official to take an active part in political management or in a political campaign with respect to any election for Federal office over which such official has supervisory authority.”

Requires “Campus Vote Coordinators” at higher institutes of learning: The bill would require colleges and universities to hire an official whose responsibility would be to inform students about elections and encourage voter registration. It would incentivize voter registration by giving grants to institutions that have a high registration rate.

Mandates that states make absentee voter boxes available for 45 days within an election. “In each county in the State, each State shall provide in-person, secured, and clearly labeled drop boxes at which individuals may, at any time during the period described in subsection (b), drop off voted absentee ballots in an election for Federal office.” These boxes should be “available to all voters on a non-discriminatory basis” and “during all hours of the day.”

Requires curbside voting: States may not “prohibit any jurisdiction administering an election for Federal office in the State from utilizing curbside voting as a method by which individuals may cast ballots in the election.”

Urges D.C. statehood and representation for territories: The bill complains that D.C. is not yet a state, adding, “The United States is the only democratic country that denies both voting representation in the national legislature and local self-government to the residents of its Nation’s capital.” The bill also appoints a commission that would advocate for congressional representation and presidential votes.

Requires that “independent” congressional district commissions be set up, taking power away from the state legislature, but evidence shows that “independent” redistricting commissions are in truth run by Democrats for their advantage.

Creates a “National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions.” The commission would study elections and produce a report after 18 months with recommendations for improving elections but would consist of 10 members, only four of whom would be selected by the minority party, giving the majority (Democrat) party control.

Mandates new disclosure for corporations: The bill codifies the Democrats’ DISCLOSE Act, to restrict corporate participation in elections. Democrats say this provision will shed light on dark money. Republicans counter that the legislation’s transparency requirements would violate free speech rights.

Oversight of online political advertising: The provision called the “Stand By Every Ad Act” would stop campaign dollars from covering any form of advertising over the Internet. Opponents say this would increase the cost of campaigning.

Weakens the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United, calling it “erroneous”: “The Supreme Court’s misinterpretation of the Constitution to empower monied interests at the expense of the American people in elections has seriously eroded over 100 years of congressional action to promote fairness and protect elections from the toxic influence of money.” It goes further to suggest “the Constitution should be amended so that Congress and the States may regulate and set limits on the raising and spending of money.”

Allows politicians to use campaign funds for personal use: Under a provision called the “Help America Run Act,” the bill legalizes the use of campaign donations for personal expenses such as child care.

Changes the composition of the FEC: The bill would decrease the number of the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) members from six to five. Four members can be associated with a particular political party, making the fifth member “independent” but who would be nominated by a president associated with a party. Former FEC members have written to Congress, warning about this change and other related provisions.

Changes rules “around conflicts of interest” for the president and vice president: It would require the president or vice president to divest all financial interests that could pose a conflict of interest for them, their families, or anyone with whom they are negotiating or who is seeking employment in their administration.

Changes FEC rules to require presidential candidates to provide their tax returns: The bill states, “Not later than the date that is 15 days after the date on which an individual becomes a covered candidate, the individual shall submit to the Federal Election Commission a copy of the individual’s income tax returns for the 10 most recent taxable years for which a return has been filed with the Internal Revenue Service.”



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There is NO mention of doing statistical analysis to validate the election as recommend by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project. None at all. There is NO mention of election validation as recommend by the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project. None at all.

I read it. I looked for those things specifically. And they are not there.

If the House asked the real experts what to do about voting, it didn't show up in the bill.

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PART 9 - PROVIDING VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION TO SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENTS

Um, OK. Voting age... is it the same from state to state?

Quote:

PART 10 - VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS

Nakedly partisan act. Minors can't enter into contracts, purchase addictive substances, drive after dark an without an adult, or serve on a jury, join the military, but they can vote???

Is it really nakedly partisan to get the youth to vote? Because once they quit school in the 10th grade, their civics education ends for the rest of their lives and most of them won't vote more than once every 4 years until they are very, very old people, but there are elections every year, sometimes several, and the most important one, the primary election that really decides who runs the country, hardly anybody either young or old can be bothered to vote in.

Our calculations, based on votes counted as of November 18, suggest that 52%-55% of voting-eligible young people, ages 18-29, cast a ballot in the 2020 presidential election. Using the same methodology and data from a week after the election in 2016, we had previously estimated that youth voter turnout in 2016 was 42-44%.

Youth Voter Turnout Increased in 2020
https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/election-week-2020#youth-vote
r-turnout-increased-in-2020


A closer look at turnout, young voters and a key Bernie Sanders strategy
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/04/closer-look-turnout-you
ng-voters-and-key-bernie-sa
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An 18-year-old isn't a "minor", SECONDRATE.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An 18-year-old isn't a "minor", SECONDRATE.

A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor. The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18, rather than waiting until they are bitter old fool Trumptards who are voting for the very first time for the guy they fervently hope can somehow fix the messed up life their 16 year old self created when they dropped out of school 30 years back.

Percentage of the population in the United States who have completed high school or more from 1960 to 2019, by gender, 25 years and older
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184266/educational-attainment-of-h
igh-school-diploma-or-higher-by-gender
/

States Ranked by Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
https://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_education_withouths_2000.html

Percent of Population 25 and Over Without a High School Diploma
1. Mississippi 27.14%
2. Kentucky 25.88%
3. Louisiana 25.19%
4. West Virginia 24.79%
5. Alabama 24.73%
6. Arkansas 24.69%
7. Texas 24.35%

Not unexpected that Trumptard states have an abundance of high school dropouts.

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SECONDRATE: The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18
And, you think dropping out is a good qualification for voting?

Seems like the dropouts have already made their first big, bad choice. How about making high school graduation a requirement instead?

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Quote:

SECONDRATE: The kids who drop out are the ones who should be voting when they turn 18
And, you think dropping out is a good qualification for voting?

Seems like the dropouts have already made their first big, bad choice. How about making high school graduation a requirement instead?

We already have a seriously malfunctioning government that is controlled by the richest people with the most advantages in life. How did that happen? When the country started, the richest people with the most real estate were the only ones who were allowed to vote. Signym, if you want bring back George Washington, why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.

The Founders and the Vote
https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/right-to-vote/the-fo
unders-and-the-vote
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A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor.
What does that have to do with registering minors?

Quote:

PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.

(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.



So, minors 16 and over are allowed to REGISTER but not to VOTE. What a mess THAT could make of the voting process, adding one more area of complexity where it doesn't need to exist.

That's how I read it. It's one more step to create loopholes in who may register, and who may vote.

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More Russian troll lies, from our usual troll cunts who need to kill themselves.

You are shit. Die like it.



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PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.

(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.

Oh those poor Russian Trolls™ at
TEXT OF BILL
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text#toc-H0C
72CA940E684A0986583236950CC71E

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More Russian troll lies, from our usual troll cunts who need to kill themselves.

You are shit. Die like it.





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Quote:

A 10th grader who is about to drop out of school forever, ending all civics education for that kid, is a minor.
What does that have to do with registering minors?

Quote:

PART 10—VOTER REGISTRATION OF MINORS 4SEC. 1094.
ACCEPTANCE OF VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE.

(1) IN GENERAL.— A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
(2) NO EFFECT ON STATE VOTING AGE REQUIREMENTS.— Nothing in paragraph (1) may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.



So, minors 16 and over are allowed to REGISTER but not to VOTE. What a mess THAT could make of the voting process, adding one more area of complexity where it doesn't need to exist.

That's how I read it. It's one more step to create loopholes in who may register, and who may vote.

In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services. Once the people are registered voters, even if they don't vote in every election, they get preferential treatment from Texas government. If they are registered before eligibility to vote, they are more likely to start voting when they are old enough. By the way, the Republican Party would very much prefer that only the old, rich and white males get registered because white women tend not to be Trumptards as often as white men.

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:12 PM

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Quote:

SECONDRATE: In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
Wow, now THAT'S a stretch! Correlation does not equal causation.

And once everyone is registered to vote, do you really think that services will increase across-the-board?

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Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:36 PM

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"19 States have AVR."



OR 2016
GA admin 2016

AK 2017
VT 2017
CO partial 2017

CA 2018
NJ 2018
RI 2018

MD 2019
MI 2019
WA 2019

MA 2020
NV 2020
CT admin 2020

ME 2022
NY 2023


IL not implemented
VA not implemented
WV not implemented


hmmmmm.
Other than AK, WV, looks like a list of Libtard Democrap Shitholes.

11 have laws, 2 are administrative policies, 1 is only partial, 2 are scheduled in the future. That is 13 currently.
3 are not implemented, and IL has missed it's deadline apparently.


Does it seem coincidence that those seem to be the only States which Obiden may have actually "won" in 2020? Other than AK, WV, GA, MI.
hmmm??

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Does it seem coincidence that those seem to be the only States which Obiden may have actually "won" in 2020? Other than AK, WV, GA, MI.
hmmm??

States controlled by Trumptards don't want people to register. How do Trumptards get control of a state legislature in order to write laws keeping people from registering? By having a population majority of Trumptards. Once that happens, gerrymandering the state legislature districts can keep Trumptards in control even after Trumptards are no longer in the majority.

Someday in the not so distant future, Trumptards will lose control of the Texas legislature. Soon after, no Republican will ever again be elected President, unless the Electoral College is abolished beforehand. But if abolished, Republicans won't get elected President even sooner. Either way, Trumptards are gonna wish that Texas had never joined the Union.

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In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
What does that have to do with registering MINORS in the House bill?

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Quote:

In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.
What does that have to do with registering MINORS in the House bill?

It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters, which just so happen to be the zip codes with a majority of non-whites. And Trumptards sure as hell don't want non-whites to vote starting at 18 years old. Getting them registered before 18 would encourage them to vote at 18.

These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :

More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation
/

The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states
/

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If you can't smoke and drink until you're 21, you shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

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It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters.
You mean the very few percent of 16 to <18 yr old non-voters who might register is going to make a substantial difference in how resources get apportioned across the country? Remember, we're talking about that very narrow demographic. Not about "under 19", or "youngsters", but that very narrow age range.

So, you got a link for that? Because if not, I'll just file this under 'more ignorable junk' from SECOND.

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It's extremely ignorable.


Not only is it a meaningless demographic that isn't going to go out and vote in the first place anyhow, but Second is going to make the argument all day long that requiring photo IDs are racist because we can't expect black people to have enough willpower to go out and get themselves an ID card.

This is just the first step. Allow kids to register between 16 and 18, and then there's no reason why we don't just require every kid to be registered while they're attending high school.

Add that to fake mail in ballots with no actual checks to make sure that the person actually voted, which will eventually morph into simply texting a five digit number for your candidate from your cell phone and we've got ourselves Presidential Elections, American Idol style.




Second will talk all day about how stupid people who vote for Trump are, but at the same time he wants voting to cater to the laziest people in the country and be dumbed down for the lowest IQ folk in the country.

Those two wishes don't seem to jibe with his idea that Democrats are smarter than Republicans to me.


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Quote:

SECONDRATE: These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :

More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation
/

The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states/

So, SECONDRATE has bascially admitted that much of HR1 is a partisan Dem effort to change the voting demographic so that Republicans will never be voted into office again.

It's not about "reform".

Yep, I noticed that, too. Thanks for admitting that, SECONDRATE.

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Quote:

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Quote:

SECONDRATE: These sort of stories really make Trumptards crazy :

More than two-thirds of Texans under age 19 are non-white, according to new census figures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/23/texas-children-make-most-diver
se-generation
/

The U.S. Census Bureau projects that, by the middle of 2020, nonwhites will account for the majority of the nation’s 74 million children.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/01/13/children-of-color-already-make-up-th
e-majority-of-kids-in-many-us-states
/

So, SECONDRATE has bascially admitted that much of HR1 is a partisan Dem effort to change the voting demographic so that Republicans will never be voted into office again.

It's not about "reform".

Yep, I noticed that, too. Thanks for admitting that, SECONDRATE.

The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.

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Too bad for that racist theory that EVERY house seat that Democrats lost in 2020 were to minority and female Republicans.

It's true. Look it up. I'll wait.




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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1. If the GOP had a strategy to win young, non-white voters, the GOP would NOT be opposed to HR-1. But the GOP doesn't have such a strategy, which is why the GOP partisans hate HR-1.

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Too bad for that racist theory that EVERY house seat that Democrats lost in 2020 were to minority and female Republicans.

It's true. Look it up. I'll wait.

There are thousands of blacks crazier than Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Tamara Bonzanto, Michael Kubayanda. The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane. But 6ix, Trumptards stay crazy even when they win.

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First off, it's March 7th and you can't even go a single day without talking about Trump.

YOU are now the Trumptard.

Secondly, that doesn't sound like an argument. That sounds like any way you look at it you lose.



If I were you, I wouldn't be so worried about the minority members of Congress that are being voted in on the Republican side. I'd be more worried about all the minority voters that stray from your narrative and vote the way that you don't like.

Democrats don't do shit for minority Citizens. The real "Woke" going on in this country is the minorities figuring that out for themselves.

All that Democrats are doing by making Race take the spotlight on every issue is shining a light on their own racism and how little they think about the willpower, drive and ability of anybody who isn't white.

It's insulting.


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
First off, it's March 7th and you can't even go a single day without talking about Trump.

YOU are now the Trumptard.

Secondly, that doesn't sound like an argument. That sounds like any way you look at it you lose.



If I were you, I wouldn't be so worried about the minority members of Congress that are being voted in on the Republican side. I'd be more worried about all the minority voters that stray from your narrative and vote the way that you don't like.

Democrats don't do shit for minority Citizens. The real "Woke" going on in this country is the minorities figuring that out for themselves.

All that Democrats are doing by making Race take the spotlight on every issue is shining a light on their own racism and how little they think about the willpower, drive and ability of anybody who isn't white.

It's insulting.

I will insult you and your kind some more: Sad watching the fat man blundering through his Presidency. Sad watching 75,000,000 Trumptards stumble through life.

From looking closely for decades at the details of Trumptards' lives flowing slowly (or in some cases very fast) downhill, you Trumptards have no idea what you are doing. It's one random thing after another and then you die never understanding what you did wrong.

It is no surprise Trumptards are on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. No surprise that your childhoods were troubled followed by troubled adulthood, marriages and divorces, followed by ill health and early death. No surprise you have substance addictions, whether food, alcohol, tobacco or drugs. No surprise you get fired or go bankrupt. And certainly no surprise when Trumptards vote for Trump, the biggest dumbest American. It would be completely out of character if you didn't vote for him. He is you, if you had inherited a billion dollars and then claimed you're a self-made billionaire.

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Sunday, March 7, 2021 11:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I will insult you and your kind some more:



Don't care. Didn't read.




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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Don't care. Didn't read.

Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting

March 07, 2021 • Presidential Actions

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

. . . expand the Federal Government’s policy of granting employees time off to vote in Federal, State, local, Tribal, and territorial elections. . . .

the Secretary of Defense shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, to affirmatively offer, on an annual basis, each member of the Armed Forces on active duty the opportunity to register to vote in Federal elections, update voter registration information, or request an absentee ballot. . . .

The Attorney General shall establish procedures, consistent with applicable law, for coordinating with the Probation and Pretrial Services Office of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts to provide educational materials related to voter registration and voting to all eligible individuals under the supervision of the Probation and Pretrial Services Office, and to facilitate voter registration and voting by such individuals. . . .

The Attorney General shall take appropriate steps, consistent with applicable law, to support formerly incarcerated individuals in obtaining a means of identification that satisfies State voter identification laws, including as required by 18 U.S.C. 4042(a)(6)(B). . . .

. . . increasing voter outreach, education, registration, and turnout in Native American communities; increasing voting access for Native American communities (including increasing accessibility for voters with disabilities); and mitigating internet accessibility issues that may hinder voter registration and ballot access in Native American communities; . . .

More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/07/execu
tive-order-on-promoting-access-to-voting
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Fact Sheet: President Biden to Sign Executive Order to Promote Voting Access
March 07, 2021

. . . democracy doesn’t happen by accident. We have to defend, strengthen, and renew it. Free and fair elections that reflect the will of the American people must be protected and defended. Too many Americans face significant obstacles to exercising their fundamental right to vote. . . .

More at www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/07/fact-s
heet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-to-promote-voting-access
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Monday, March 8, 2021 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Georgia House Passes Omnibus Election Reform Bill


https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-house-passes-omnibus-election-re
form-bill_3716434.html



Your shit sources are as pathetic as your shit logic, Russian troll.



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Monday, March 8, 2021 6:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I will insult you and your kind some more:



Don't care. Didn't read.



You can read?



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Monday, March 8, 2021 9:40 AM

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Yup.

I can also write.

I assume you didn't learn to read or write until college, so you think that anybody who didn't get a bachelor's degree isn't capable of either.




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Monday, March 8, 2021 1:11 PM

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I noticed that when SECONDRATE runs out of on-point posts, he resorts to slagging other posters.

Really, SECONDRATE?
And you call yourself intelligent????

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Monday, March 8, 2021 1:14 PM

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SECONDRATE seems to have proven my initial point:

Quote:

The problem with centralized control is that it is just as likely to be partisan at the national level as at the state level, and this is what we have here.


So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?

The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)





I found this quote particularly relevant

Quote:

Most people are center-left, center-right, or apolitical in their views. This doesn’t mean they never vote, but more that they struggle to find candidates that align with their values and their identity. They’re unstable and unreliable voters. And of course many don’t vote that often, because it is hard to vote if the options are “bad” or “misaligned” with your own identity.

Let’s compare the US Senate breakdown. It is far less polarized. It more closely reflects the US population as a whole, because states cannot be Gerrymandered. There’s still a huge rural-voter-bias in the Senate (each rural vote is equivalent to 1.5-to-3 urban votes), leading to a near even split between the parties in 2018


https://chewychunks.wordpress.com/2018/11/07/2018-midterm-election-vs-
political-identity-of-the-general-population
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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?

The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)

Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote? There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters. Why so many bills? Because Trump lost. Almost as important, because two Georgian GOP Senators lost. HR-1 is to counteract those hundreds of GOP bills.

As for voters deciding they are Independent, they aren't really Independent unless they vote for Libertarians or the Green Party. When they do, they are certainly teaching the Democratic Party and the GOP a lesson by filling up Congress with so many Green Party Congressmen that I can't count them all.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed that when SECONDRATE runs out of on-point posts, he resorts to slagging other posters.

Really, SECONDRATE?
And you call yourself intelligent????

I'm not intelligent; would I be here if I was? I'm rich. Being rich and stupid and loving a TV show deader than the Beverly Hillbillies aren't often a winning combination, unless you inherited wealth as Trump did, but in my case I overcame my intellectual shortcomings with excellent health, long hours of work, and concentration on a few simple things that I know work from talking to rich people.

As the lawyer for Arizona’s Republican Party conceded last week in oral arguments at the biggest voting rights challenge at the Supreme Court this term, the party is interested in limiting access to the ballot in swing states because otherwise, the GOP is at “a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats.”

These measures are being passed in reaction to provably false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, despite record numbers of audits, lawsuits, and government findings that the election was one of the most secure in American history. The response to this assurance has become that it doesn’t matter because voters no longer trust the elections system—an answer advanced by people who are aware that they are lying. On Tuesday, Mike Pence—who could have lost his life on Jan. 6 due to false claims of a stolen election—joined the “people are saying” chorus with an op-ed frothing up the Big Lie that the 2020 contest was rife with dubious practices. Pence writes: “After an election marked by significant voting irregularities and numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about the integrity of the 2020 election.” Ignoring the fact that his own running mate actually seeded, watered, and fertilized the myth of a stolen election, Pence expressed sober dismay at the fact that “polling shows that large numbers of Democrats did not trust the outcome of the 2016 election and that large numbers of Republicans still do not trust the outcome of the 2020 election.” Cause, meet effect. You guys should hang out.

Pence’s ostensible goal in penning this mess wasn’t to encourage more election truthers to storm the Capitol but to target H.R. 1, the sweeping voting rights bill that passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday. H.R. 1 provides for, among many other things, same-day and automatic voter registration, restoring the franchise to people with criminal records, and an expansion of early voting, voting by mail, and absentee drop boxes. Many states passed these reforms before COVID-19; others adopted them because of the pandemic. Now that the country has held one presidential election with widespread mail voting—leading to historically high participation without any demonstrable increase in fraudulent voting—Democrats want to make the option permanent. The nearly 800-page package also includes many large-scale anti-corruption measures, including the mandatory release of presidential tax returns, regulation of inaugural committees and campaign coordination with foreign interests, an end to partisan gerrymandering for congressional districts, and more robust regulations of campaign finance and dark money.

H.R. 1 passed the House in 2019 but was never taken up in the Senate under Mitch McConnell. In 2021 under Chuck Schumer, the companion Senate bill, S 1, will still likely be stymied, this time by the continued existence of the filibuster. But the real story here is the frantic blowback to the legislation from the selfsame groups that would be regulated or undermined by sweeping democracy reform. That’s why conservative dark money groups like the American Action Network and the American Principles Project were out on the ramparts last week, pushing the same false claims that Mike Pence is peddling. Dark money doesn’t want dark money to be regulated or seen, but since disclosure laws tend to poll well, Pence has framed H.R. 1’s restriction on dark money as part of “the radical left’s cancel culture crusade.”

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/hr1-republicans-voting-rig
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Monday, March 8, 2021 4:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:So, I have a question for you, SECOND: If the demographic trend is inexorable, why is the DNC working so hard to punch it forward?
Might it not be because even THEY are concerned that people will catch on to their hypocrisy, corruption, and greed, and leave the party as fast as the un-accelerated demographic shift will bring them in?

The Democrat Party is steadily losing members to that unaffiliated group called "indepdendents". (as, btw, is the Republican Party.)

SECONDRATE: Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote?

Is there a reason you're still beating your wife, SECONDRATE?

Quote:

There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters.
Unless you provide a lengthy list of actual bills ... enough to make a fair representation of the "hundreds" that you say exist... and demonstrate that their purpose is to reduce the number of voters (and not, say, to ensure voter eligibility) then this is just a slur on your part.

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Monday, March 8, 2021 5:07 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There have been mayors, county supervisors, state Legislatures, and State Secretaries who've mishandled voting, vote counting, voter rolls, and pretty much every aspect of the voting process, and they've been in BOTH parties.

For example, Katherine Harris (FL) conducted a draconian purge of voter rolls back in 2000, IIRC.

How about solving some REAL problems instead of trying to fix problems that aren't there?

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