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JAKE TAPPER, CNN: You're the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, but you're raising $20 million to boost primary challengers running in safe Democratic seats against incumbent Democrats in safe seats. It's causing a lot of stir. We asked James Carville about it the other day. We couldn't get you, we couldn't book you that day for whatever reason we knew.

DNC VICE CHAIR DAVID HOGG: Well, rest assured he's my biggest fan.

JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: The most insane thing I ever heard is the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee is spending $20 million running against other Democrats. Aren't we supposed to run against Republicans?

TAPPER: What's your response?

HOGG: What's his plan to deal with our 27 percent approval rating? That's my question to him. The fact of the matter is, right now, our party is in a crisis. We are seeing people lose faith in our party. They're losing faith in democracy across the country, and we need to make sure that we're getting people to vote for Democrats, not simply because we're not Donald Trump, but because we have a better message, a better option for them, not simply the less bad of two options, as I think Carville tries to promote when he says, well, we should, we just shouldn't say anything.

Carville believes in a politics of being timid, of hiding. I believe in fighting. And that is what people want to see right now from the Democratic Party. We just saw an example of that with Senator Van Hollen going to El Salvador to say, we need to meet with this man.

And, yes, Democrats obviously are in the minority right now. But let's be clear, we cannot win back the majority if we do not convince the American people that our party offers something that isn't just not Donald Trump but is substantially better than Donald Trump, that fights to lower costs for Americans across the country, whether it's healthcare, housing, or the foundational building blocks of the American dream that feels so out of reach for people or addressing gun violence.

We can't simply just hide, as Carville repeatedly promotes, not to mention the fact that, frankly, he has not won an election since before I was born. I think it's time for some new voices in our party.

TAPPER: When were you born?

HOGG: 2000.

TAPPER: Well, I guess that -- so, anyway, I can hear James Carville's head exploding all the way from New Orleans when you called him timid.

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JAMES CARVILLE: Let me make a point about Bernie [Sanders] and AOC [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]. Bernie went for president twice. He’s lost twice. AOC, in her time, and this guy, David Hogg, they want to run against other Democrats. They don’t run against Republicans. Well, when you beat a Republican, come back and see me, and I will be impressed. But if you’re spending all your time, and I think that’s the real problem. And I mean, it’s fine, they draw big crowds, they draw everything, that’s great. But all they want to do, and all this guy, Hogg, wants to do, is they want to beat like- Democrats are not the problem right now. We’re not holding an innocent person in El Salvador in jail. We’re not starting a trade—an ill, thought-out, idiotic—trade war. Yet they’re spending all their time, a lot of their time, I’d be fair to Bernie and AOC, they do attack Trump. But they never run against Republicans, and when they run, when Bernie ran twice as a Democrat, he lost, and he lost by a lot. So, maybe the Democratic Party is trying to tell you something. You lose twice. There’s probably a message in there, I don’t know.

But maybe, I said, maybe they need to split off from the Democratic Party and call themselves a Socialist, I don’t know, urbanist, central city...

I don’t think most of Democrats are that. And maybe we need to have a schism. Maybe we can form a government coalition. You know, this happens every time in parliamentary things, where you come in and say, ‘Okay, you want to be part of our coalition.’ But we’re next to them all the time, running against us. But why doesn’t somebody sue David Hogg, he’s a officer of the Democratic National Committee. He is the vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and he’s running against other Democrats. I would like to know, and you went to law school, does he have a does he have a fiduciary duty toward Democrats? If I work for, if you work for NewsNation, you can't promote CNN. That's because you work for somebody else, you have a fiduciary duty to your employer, which anybody can understand. He's being paid to run against other Democrats. I think it's an outrage if I don't know if I have standing, but I might give the DNC ten dollars. Just sue him. He's a contemptible little twerp, if you ask me.

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