TERRIBLE NEWS! SERENITY DELAYED! by gojiro

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TERRIBLE NEWS! SERENITY DELAYED!

POSTED BY: GOJIRO
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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:29 AM

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

And the logo on 98% of My T-shirts. Of course I suddenly feel inspired to make several new designs. Unfortunately, this is one of those bits of news to fuel the fire of the scoffers. We the true browcoats will wait for our Big Damn Movie.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:38 AM

STILLSHINY

Nother posting from Joss this was at Buffy.nu:

You guys are sweetumses. If I was here to rouse you to action, I’d be wearing pants. I mean, using... rhetoric... (note to self: delete pants thing.) The fact is, I’m crushed, because I’m so anxious for you all to see what we’ve done. I want the world to know that Nathan Fillion is the next Harrison Ford (Well, he IS). I want them to see how amazing Summer Glau is... not to mention the whole cast and Jack Green, the greatest DP in DP-land, everybody just did such good work it almost makes me wish I’d written a coherent script! Or, I mean... um, hey, no pants! (Note to self...) So there you have it, or me, disappointed and impatient. But I really do believe in this studio. They supported this project since before I’d even thought up the SURPRISINGLY COHERENT script (nice save!) and they’ve been very up-front about their scheduling and marketing stratgies. so I stand with their decision, but, as Abe Simpson would say: "They’re in for the frowning of a lifetime!"

How’s that cube coming? Gleamy?

joss | November 23, 06:00 CET

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:51 AM

GOJIRO

And this from JoBlo.com:

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I think the most amount of hate mail I've ever gotten since I started writing for JoBlo.com some 4 years ago was when I questioned the SERENITY movie. Boy the fans came out of the woodworks on that one to rip me a new one. In my defense, I think my commens were overblown as I wasn't criticizing the quality of the show (I haven't even seen it), just curious about the business decision to base a big-budget sci-fi flick on a shortlived TV series. I have now learned through a series of e-mails from "Firefly" fans that there is a huge, devoted audience to the franchise and that, like STAR TREK, successful films can often come out of cancelled TV shows. I also learned that I'm a stupid piece of @!#$ with %$&* for brains. At least according to those e-mails. Anyway, bad news for that devoted bunch of "Firefly" fans. Writer/Director Joss Whedon has announced that the release of the film has been pushed back from April to September. Whedon explains it by saying, "April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic, and the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should." Sounds like a similar decision Paramount made this summer with SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW and that seemed like a smart one. Unfortunately it just means a longer wait for the fans. To pass the time, I invite them to further fill my inbox with angry e-mails. But take it easy this time Whedonites - I got nothin but love for ya.

I particularly like the email bit. We are mighty.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:54 AM

SIMONF

Quote:
Nother posting from Joss this was at Buffy.nu:

Actually that posting comes from the same thread at Whedonesque where Joss broke the bad news *sighs*.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:54 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

And the logo on 98% of My T-shirts. Of course I suddenly feel inspired to make several new designs. Unfortunately, this is one of those bits of news to fuel the fire of the scoffers. We the true browcoats will wait for our Big Damn Movie.

Check out my shop!
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"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

Don't think of it as having to make new shirts, rather think of it as how the originals are now a conversation piece since they have the original release date on them.

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"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:59 AM

CONNORFLYNN

Well.. heres to hoping a bomb like Gigli is showing at the same time , so that those avid weekend moviegoers are driven to see the BDM. I can see it now..Throngs of new Browncoats streaming from the theatres only to get in line to see it again immediately afterwords hehehehe.

I expect the series DVD sales to go up dramatically after the BDM release!

5 more months ain't so bad. It's better then hearing the words.."It's not being released at all".

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:03 AM

ROBYN12

On reading this I mailed Monica muns of UIP International and she says there is talk of delying the movie but it's not certain yet. I ahet to get everybody's hiopes up just to get them dashed again and personally I think Joss is the person who should know but when I get word from Monica I'll post.
Robyn.

Robyn12

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:20 AM

RABIT

Quote:
Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
Oh my very dear, no one is dissin' the Hoosier Browncoats, I have just been living in Tampa since 1986 and these are the fans I celebrate Firefly Friday's with!

I am moving back home, to Indianapolis, possibly to attend InconJunction for the first time in, lets see, around 18 years ...

My how time flys.

Whereabouts are you?

No problem - I completely understand. I was uprooted from Washington (state) about 12 years ago and haven't been able to get out of the Midwest since. (And why, exactly, do they call it the Midwest?!?

)

I'm in Indianapolis, of course - isn't everyone?

My wife and I just bought a (99-year-old) house in the Irvington area, actually.

I honestly don't know many Browncoats, here. Most of my friends are, but that's about all I've come across.

What's InconJunction, if you don't mind me asking?

Rabit

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:22 AM

BARNSTORMER

Ahhhhh Crap!!!

Maybe it is a good move not to go up against Episode 3 and whatever else is coming in that
time frame, but it certianly does'nt make me
feel any better.

It's to depressing to think about.

If anyone needs me, I'll be in the back of the
room wallowing in self pity

whimpering in a pathetic like manner.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:23 AM

RABIT

Quote:
Originally posted by Connorflynn:
I expect the series DVD sales to go up dramatically after the BDM release!

Likely... But I'm aiming to get them to increase before the BDM, too!

Rabit

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:35 AM

CYBERSNARK

People, people. . . Let's get some perspective here. The show was sabotaged from the get-go. Cancelled, abandoned by every other network that could've bankrolled it. The sets were struck, the cast and crew went their separate ways. . .

And we brought it back. We got a DVD phenomenon, we got a movie deal, we got just about everything we could reasonably hope for.

Now the movie's been delayed.

In the words of our immortal captain: "We're still flyin'."

May not be much, but it's enough.

Now then, lets get on 'Versal's back about those trailers, merchandising, and animated DVD prequel. . .

Hell, look at it this way; we might actually get a Serenity trailer riding along on Lucas's big CGI-sequence of a film. Wouldn't that be shiny (and have the added benefit of making the LucasEmpire seem all manner of foolish)?

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:46 AM

ROBYN12

Shiny! I second that!

Robyn.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:20 AM

MERCEDESTROY

Quote:
What's InconJunction, if you don't mind me asking?

Rabit

InconJunction is the local Sci-Fi convention that runs July 4th weekend in Indy. I don't know how political or icky it may have gotten in the last many years, but I hope to take a Browncoat contingent next year ... maybe.

Any thoughts, all the rest of you Hoosiers out there? Preparation for the BDM.

Debs

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:21 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE

I'm suddenly jealous of a SNL skit in which Chris Farley drank down a keg-sized bottle of nyquil... thus sending him to happy unconsciousness for 6 months.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:43 AM

WHISPERING

Nooooooooo

Why september? Why not february... or march :(

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:46 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM

We must band together in an attempt to sway them - petitions, organized protests, mass suicide, something! We could beg that it be moved up a few weeks, or only pushed back as far as June. WE HAVE TO TRY. We can't just roll over and accept it. If they changed it once, they can change it again.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:49 AM

HARDWARE

Alright Browncoats, listen up... I said stop whining,... no, you,... will you all please SHUT UP!

There, that's better.

Okay, we're all disappointed, no denying that. We all wanted to line up and put down our platinum and make Fux eat a big slice of humble pie. That'll still happen. Just not when we thought.

What everyone is missing about this is we're better off premiering in September. It's after the summer. Everybody's back home, looking for something to do after blowing oodles of cash doing everything all summer long. A movie is just about right. Plus, with the summer blockbusters out of the way there'll be more room for our BDHs to shine on the screen.

Another thing, there was another thread that said Independant's day should be April 22nd 'cause of the original premiere date and September 7th should be U-day because that was the day Firefly premiered on Fux and that allowed Fux to screw over our BDHs. Well that's just wrong-headed. Here's why. Without Firefly premiering on Fux we wouldn't have had a chance to experience the magic of Serenity. Sure, it didn't go the way Joss and us wanted, but that's life. Sometimes it don't roll the way you want. You just got to roll with it and wait for your chance to rise up.

I say the release date in September is gonna be our Independant's day.

No power in the 'verse can stop us.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:53 AM

TOMANTA

Quote:
Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
We must band together in an attempt to sway them - petitions, organized protests, mass suicide, something! We could beg that it be moved up a few weeks, or only pushed back as far as June. WE HAVE TO TRY. We can't just roll over and accept it. If they changed it once, they can change it again.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:20 AM

RABIT

Quote:
Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
I hope to take a Browncoat contingent next year ... maybe.

Post something when you're getting it set up. I'd be interested in being involved, depending upon timing, etc. Sounds like a great way to prep for the BDM!

Rabit

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:57 AM

JAKE7

Well, didn't all of us think that date was a bit soon considering all the special effects needed?

Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

At least now (not that I'm *remotely* happy about the wait) the furor over Star Wars can die down and we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:05 AM

DARKARCHON

Quote:
Originally posted by DeckRoid:
KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What he said!

"I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said, 'I drank what?'."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:05 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Glad to see all of my fellow Browncoats are staying motivated. We have to keep our morale up. I am 100% positive that no one here is as disappointed as Joss is about the delay.

We're still flyin' which is more than anyone gave us credit for a year ago. Keep that in mind while you are out pushing those DVDs and the BDM.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:33 AM

BERNADETTE

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I'm suddenly jealous of a SNL skit in which Chris Farley drank down a keg-sized bottle of nyquil... thus sending him to happy unconsciousness for 6 months.

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I'm with you Mania, but you go first

Gorram,five more @#$#@ months

Bernie

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:20 AM

MALICIOUS

WTF?!?

I did not approve of this decision! Heads will ROLL!

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:20 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Wouldn't Universal have known the April release landscape for some time? Why freaking NOW?!

Ok - better.

More time for guerilla marketing - brilliant! Double extra crispy guerilla marketing is called for. Going to go to work on it right now.

That guy, working electric, he never drank with us!

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:25 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

Yes, it has to be moved to avoid being crushed by the bohemoth-like franchises, but you'll never convince me that it has to be moved THAT far. Hell, move it forward three weeks.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:28 AM

MOOSE

[qoute]I'm just, just ... there aren't words to say

Actually I have a nice selection of choice ones, but I'll refrain from using them...

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:32 AM

SHARKBYTE

Does anyone else think that maybe Universal should move the relase date UP instead of back???? better to avoid competing with HHGTTG and SW:ep3. How about a March 1st release? or Feb 1st? anyone else with me?

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:18 AM

OZYMANDIAS

I am going to kill someone for doing this.

And Melkor fled before the laughter of Tulkas, and hated him ever after

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:26 AM

KESSIE

grrrr argh ... Damn it! *goes away to pout*

They say it’s the last song
They don’t know us, you see
Its only the last song
If we let it be

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:35 PM

TOMANTA

Quote:
Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

Yes, it has to be moved to avoid being crushed by the bohemoth-like franchises, but you'll never convince me that it has to be moved THAT far. Hell, move it forward three weeks.

Moving it forward three weeks would mean the movie would have to be completed at least three weeks earlier, which might be a major problem.

I couldn't find much I would label as competition past mid-July, BUT there are a LOT of films on the schedule (a lot of sure-to-be crap films, sure, but still a crowd).

Then it just comes down to just a four to six week period and I'm not going to second-guess the studio for that.

Something else to look at would be what else Universal has coming out and when. I have no idea there and have a paper to write, so not looking it up right now, but that's gonna be a factor.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:44 PM

KASUO

No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

Damn, Sky Captain came out in September too and it didn't do great.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:47 PM

ARAWAEN

Foul... Foul... Filth and Foul!!!!!!

Knowledge is sorrow; they who know the most
Must mourn the deepest o'er the fatal truth,
The Tree of Knowledge is not that of Life.
-- Byron

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:13 PM

SENUFF

Quote:
Originally posted by Arawaen:
Foul... Foul... Filth and Foul!!!!!!

Knowledge is sorrow; they who know the most
Must mourn the deepest o'er the fatal truth,
The Tree of Knowledge is not that of Life.
-- Byron

Arawaen,

I'm new on this site, but I'm with you. Another morning in Australia, and looks like it wasn't something I'd dreamed up. Very sad.

Really like your Byron quote, by the way. Thanks. That'll keep me goin for a little while.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:14 PM

TOMANTA

Quote:
Originally posted by kasuo:
No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

No kidding. I'm afraid to log in now and see just how much of a hit it took. The loss as of this morning was more than enough.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:35 PM

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT

I think Doc said it best....

"Damn. Damn, Damn, Damn!"

I don't ask for much - just Firefly back on the air once a week.... oh, and maybe world peace.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:02 PM

AMDOBELL

This news knocked all the air out of me and left me so rutting disappointed but then thinking on the up side I have to believe that the September date will be the shinier option in the long run. Let's make every gorram day count in the run up to the new release date and hope it doesn't get moved again. So long as we Keep Flyin', Ali D :~)
MAL: "We've done the impossible, that makes us mighty."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:21 PM

SERENITYVALLEY

Aw man! I'm gonna be in college by then! You know what that means? No money. This sucks! This Spril, I was planning on going to see it like a ton of times, but by then, I'll be just another poor college kid with hardly the money to buy one ticket. Seeing Tenacious D on the line up made me smile for like half a second, but this just sucks. I understand why they're doing it and everything, but there are a lot of fans out there that would go to see it regardless what else is playing. Now I don't get to even go with my family in my home town because I'll be far far away in college. I wanted to see this movie with my brother because we're the only ones in my house who watch it. *sigh*

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:27 PM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Quote:
Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
I hope this is just a goddamn November 22nd Fool's Day prank.

Hrm...5 months from Nov. 22 is...April 22...hrm.

So I got to wait 5 months? I certainly hope this is a bad bad joke...though if it isn't, my birthday is 9/24, so I could be happy...but damn, that is like almost a YEAR away...excuse me, I think I have to go shoot some F*x execs, this is all indirectly their fault.

Cilantro!
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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Can I roll the calendar back a few months and make it September 20, 2004? See, they didn't say which YEAR it was going to be released and I for one intend to raise a ruckus about the fact that it should have been released ALREADY and it's LATE!!

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:08 PM

SHINYSEVEN

Power in the 'Versal stopped us.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:27 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Gorram it. This is just typical. If they had real faith in the BDM they'd put it up against the other April movies. I hope he's not getting bumped for some Universal exec's pet project.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:57 PM

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same

Quote:
Originally posted by jake7:
Well, didn't all of us think that date was a bit soon considering all the special effects needed?

I know I did.

Quote:
Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

Just a bit, really, and only 'cause of the monster promo budget SW will have.

Quote:
At least now (not that I'm *remotely* happy about the wait) the furor over Star Wars can die down and we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!

I still think we might have been better off in April. I have faith in Joss, & I have faith in George Lucas. Star Wars will suck. I think there'll be a lot of folks exiting the cinema, next spring, searching desperately for something to get that rancid taste out of their mouths. Amidst the almost deafening grumble, a clear voice will ring out, "Let's go see Serenity, again" A hush falls over the crowd . . . "in another four months."

Lost opportunity,

Keep the Shiny Side Up

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:23 PM

DESANGRO

Quote:
Originally posted by YT:
Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

Just a bit, really, and only 'cause of the monster promo budget SW will have.

Well, personally, I still think that Star Wars Ep Three would have been a concern. It's SW and you just know that people are gonna turn out to it, if only out of curiosity to see how bad it is. (Myself included among those numbers...) Perhaps pushing the release date was a good thing... though the extended wait is very bitter, I'll admit.

Still, it does give me more time to get an Alliance naval officer's uniform ready.

I've never gone to a film in costume before, and it should be a treat to do so.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:38 PM

PALADIN

The delay is sad news indeed. I take heart in the fact the studio seemed genuinely pleased with the film, despite remaining reatively free of the digital effects. That says something. We can only hope this is for the best and keep on flyin'. Till then, keep telling your friends about Firefly. When you run out of friends.....just tell everyone else.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:59 PM

YANKSNO1

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

I never liked the April release date for Serenity. I think September is much better. It was never going to do blockbuster type numbers (but would have done pretty well). Now with no competition in September, they should do very well. Now it has a chance which it didn't before. Yes we've gotta wait, but I love the idea of showing a Serenity trailer in front of Ep III. :)

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:03 PM

LTNOWIS

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No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

Yeah, this slight drop wiped out 90% of my lifetime profits. I must be being punished for not visiting Fireflyfans.net in several weeks.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:10 PM

RICKKER

after a painfull stunned silence on reading this news I continued to read responces and still saddened but hopefull. I hate patience but patient I will strive to be. I know no matter what, the movie will be worth the wait. This gives me time to bring others into the fold. I will have to change some vacation time around. Maybe we can get that deal Joss has going with Dark Horse comics for the Serenity comic. This gives our BDH more chances to goto conventions to promote the BDM. Hint for anyone who has any connections with Creation entertainment. I'm going to the con in Seattle may 13-15 with the gold seating and would love to see the lovely ladies of Firefly/Serenity.
Well keep flying a little while longer

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:15 PM

SGTGUMP

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See?! This is why I never vote for candidates from the Demographic Party!

ZOID IS AWESOME!

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:24 PM

EVILMASTERMIND

GRRRR! ARGH!

"Okay I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm armed!"

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