Fox's botched episode screening by Regression

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Fox's botched episode screening

POSTED BY: REGRESSION
UPDATED: Sunday, January 2, 2005 17:55
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Friday, December 31, 2004 3:45 AM

I am not trying to troll about Firefly, I love firefly, but I really think the train job was better. It had action, it was fast and to the point. Shoot me for it but i agree with their decision not to screen Serenity first. This comes because of an anecdote which follows.
Well, I live in Australia, and luckily for me, i caught the first episode of firefly that was screened. The idiots here at Ch 7, screened the train job first. I fell in love with it. Got my dvds the next weekend.
Now, firefly here aint too big. So far, recruitment's going pretty slowly. I've been lending my disc 1 to friends. I managed to get about 10 people in the same room at school, where I pursuaded the teacher let us watch an episode of firefly.
Problem was, the only copy of the first dvd was a compressed 4.7 GB backup my friend burnt for himself.
So, up goes the first five minutes of Serenity amid cries of 'thats what firefly's about?' and 'is it all like, this crap?'. and im sayin, no, just watch it, it gets better. Sound was hard to hear, so all the good dialogue got wiped out, and the compression took out the breathtaking CGI.
the first half of serenity admittedly was pretty boring to someone sitting in that classroom.
Now, you'd say, when the shootout comes, then everyone'd sit up...
well, it didn't. the compressed dvd screwed up, and it cut out just before mal started kicking ass.
From Fox perspectives, serenity was slow, not much action in the first hour, lots of character development. Admittedly, Firefly is all about the character development, except with no action to hook in viewers, character development is pretty useless.
After watching the Train Job, Serenity really drew me into Firefly. I can't say that serenity was a bad episode, or i hated it, I'm just saying that as a pilot, it doesnt do the job it should. (too well)
So. Now, I have about 10 people at school, who have decided to make things hell for me when im trying to recruit.
Shiny.

Anyone else feel same or differently?

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Friday, December 31, 2004 4:07 AM

SIMONWHO

It's an interesting question. Firefly doesn't necessarily appeal to the lowest common denominator and the original pilot really showcases that. The Train Job is more of a "base" appeal show, action and things going really fast but it isn't necessarily a true reflection of the rest of the show.

Regardless, I don't think DVD5 backups are the way to go (unless you split the episodes across 2 discs). Do you use DVD Shrink, I highly recommend it.

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Friday, December 31, 2004 4:24 AM

REGRESSION

As a recruitment device, I'm just saying that the train job would hook in more recruits than serenity. Just as an aside, us Aussie browncoats are now pretty lonely, quite sure Ch 7 cut firefly's midnight slot.

And my friend burnt it with dvd shrink. Not sure about the quality of the file, then again, may have just been the projector. Personally, I'd never compress a Firefly dvd. But the bottom line, THE GORRAM THING CUT OUT BEFORE THE SHOOT OUT!!!

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Friday, December 31, 2004 2:16 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Quote:
Originally posted by Regression:
As a recruitment device, I'm just saying that the train job would hook in more recruits than serenity. Just as an aside, us Aussie browncoats are now pretty lonely, quite sure Ch 7 cut firefly's midnight slot.

I had an experience last night that lends a lot of weight to what you're saying.

[long rambling mode]
In my past recruitment efforts I have targetted single individuals. I'll sit down with someone and show them the two hour pilot episode. The success rate for these recruitments has been close to one hundred percent.

The few times I have tried larger groups the success rate has plummetted. I may hook one or two, but quite a few will get bored quickly and start talking and not paying attention. If you're not paying attention, you can miss a lot of information in the first half hour and, by the time the action starts, some people are lost. Lost and confused is not a good state to be in.

Last night, quite by happenstance, I had a much greater success rate with a larger group by playing the episode Ariel . For Christmas I gave my sister-in-law (my first recruit from a year ago) a Blue Sun shirt. A lot of our friends liked the shirt so the next time I was visiting I popped in Ariel just to show the beginning scene where Jayne gets sliced. Then I just left the episode playing in the background while we were all talking about other things. By the time the blue hands dudes were killing people with their wands everyone had stopped talking and was watching the episode.

When it was all over a couple of my short-attention-span-theater friends were lining up to borrow the DVDs and asking when I could get them Blue Sun and Fighting Elves shirts (I still have to work on shifting the financial burden to them...

).

Ariel is more like Train Job, in my opinion, than Serenity and worked a lot better in that particular instance than playing the pilot would have. So I'm starting to rethink my approach based on the number of people involved.
[/long rambling mode]

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Friday, December 31, 2004 2:57 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Every time I watch The Train Job I like it more and more, and it was the first ep I saw, when it originally premiered on US tv. However, I still think Serenity is the better intro to the series. It's not my fault, or Joss', that so many people have almost no attention span.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Friday, December 31, 2004 4:40 PM

SNOWGUARD

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Just as an aside, us Aussie browncoats are now pretty lonely, quite sure Ch 7 cut firefly's midnight slot.

Have faith! I checked a little ahead, and Jaynestown is on 12:50am Wednesday morning. It just so happens I'll be waiting for a train to come into the depot about then. I have however gotten my sister to say she wouldn't mind borrowing the episodes off of me. She was visiting and I threw on Trash. My sister doesn't watch much television, and she certainly doesn't watch Sci-Fi.

How hard is it to get a Blue Sun or Fighting Elves shirt sent internationally if one doesn't own a credit card. I really REALLY REALLY want one.

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Friday, December 31, 2004 8:27 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

I think the episodes are best shown in order. However, if I had to show only one episode of FF to someone I would choose either Out of Gas or Objects in Space. Probably best with OoG, it explains more about the characters.

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Saturday, January 1, 2005 5:26 AM

NYWOE

Interesting theory, Soupcatcher. I think you may be right. For 1 or 2 friends: "Serenity." For a large group or for 2 or more easily distracted people: "The Train Job."

I also like TTJ immensely. I think people just don't like it because of it's history, the way it replaced Serenity. Come on, it's got "You're coat is kinda a brownish color," that great shot of Jayne charging out of the bar, "Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?", Inara slapping Mal, "I... I was weak", and Crow through the engine! Among other things...

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Saturday, January 1, 2005 5:46 PM

SPIXDON

i was hooked by the first few minutes of "The Train Job" when it first aired, however, "Serenity" made me love it that much more. the best thing to do in my opinion (and it has worked several times), is to show "the Train Job" first, then after they're hooked, "Serenity", then "The Train Job" again and the rest of the series. although, when faced with my immediate family, trying to to that backfired and after the credits and i told them the name of the episode, they had learned enough by osmosis from me to know that it was the second episode and they demanded to see "Serenity" first. they sat through it and now beg to watch my dvds. but then again, they love me. or so they say.

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Sunday, January 2, 2005 12:13 AM

SOUPCATCHER

After I had the DVD set for a few months I noticed that The Train Job was one of the episodes that I re-watched the least. Since that time, it has steadily moved up the list until it's now right up there in the top five in terms of frequency. I think this pattern was probably established by watching the DVD extras and finding out that it was the second pilot - I subconsciuosly demoted it in importance. But since then it's moved back up because it was the episode that hooked me on the series - it was good enough to keep me watching - and also the episode that introduced me to all these great characters.

I wonder if people who started watching Firefly with The Train Job have different perceptions of the characters than those who started watching with Serenity since the way they were introduced was different? (That whole primacy thingamabob).

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Sunday, January 2, 2005 12:23 AM

SOUPCATCHER

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Originally posted by Snowguard:
How hard is it to get a Blue Sun or Fighting Elves shirt sent internationally if one doesn't own a credit card. I really REALLY REALLY want one.

Snowguard, you could either use PayPal, a check, or a money order. Check out http://www.bluesunshirts.com/ for more details. You'll actually have to click through the ordering process for the item you want to get to the payment options and mailing address of the company (in the event you're ordering by check or money order and have to write out your order and mail it in).

[Does this count as a double post? It could be my first one

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Sunday, January 2, 2005 2:20 AM

CALHOUN

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Regression wrote:
Friday, December 31, 2004 03:45

Problem was, the only copy of the first dvd was a compressed 4.7 GB backup my friend burnt for himself.
Sound was hard to hear, so all the good dialogue got wiped out, and the compression took out the breathtaking CGI.
the compressed dvd screwed up, and it cut out just before mal started kicking ass.

Sounds strange.. DVD rips can be pretty damn good quality wise.

I backed up my DVD box set onto DVD5 and you can barely tell the difference from the originals..

DVD Decrypter and CloneDVD does the trick everytime.

My originals dont come out of their covers anymore and remain in pristine condition.

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Sunday, January 2, 2005 4:01 PM

SNOWGUARD

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(in the event you're ordering by check or money order and have to write out your order and mail it in)

Thanks for that SoupCatcher. I figured I could send a money order, but was wondering about the whole currency conversion deal. Would I have to send the equivilent ammount in another currency on the order or how would it work out? Maybe I'll ask at a post office.

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Sunday, January 2, 2005 5:55 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Quote:
Originally posted by Snowguard:
Thanks for that SoupCatcher. I figured I could send a money order, but was wondering about the whole currency conversion deal. Would I have to send the equivilent ammount in another currency on the order or how would it work out? Maybe I'll ask at a post office.

You're welcome.

I'm not sure on the exchange question. You can get a rough idea of how much it would cost in Australian $ by using http://finance.yahoo.com/m3?u (although I would verify that conversion rate before I filled out a money order). I would guess that BlueSunShirts would like the money order to be in US$ but the easiest way to make sure is to contact them directly. Alex157 is a member here and posts periodically and you can message him from his member page ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=3574 - this should send him an e-mail as long as the address he registered with is still active). They've worked out something since at least one of their customer quotes is from an international client.

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