I almost feel sorry for Elektra by Caite

With as much negative crap being thrown around about Elektra on this board and others without one single bit of truth or any back up whatsoever, I think I will make Elektra the first movie I have seen in the theater in over 6 months.

Hopefully other fair minded people will do the same.

Badmouthing something without any reason is pretty poor form.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 12:47 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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Originally posted by tlacook:
With as much negative crap being thrown around about Elektra on this board and others without one single bit of truth or any back up whatsoever, I think I will make Elektra the first movie I have seen in the theater in over 6 months.

Hopefully other fair minded people will do the same.

Badmouthing something without any reason is pretty poor form.

To be fair, the advance word has not been good - although Aint-it-Cool has posted an average review today I see.

Given that I kind of liked Daredevil (don't have as much of a downer on Affleck as most of the film critic world seems to), I am interested in seeing Elektra, but I am rather concerned about its world wide release for a relatively small movie, and the fact that they have delayed the press screenings in true Avengers style.

I probably need to see a proper trailer rather than the 10 second TV slot to help decide.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 12:51 PM

I didn't mean my post the way Tlacock took it, and I kinda wish I hadn't been slammed because of it. Personally, I have no other reason to see Elektra because I don't really like comic book movies anyways, and then add to it the negative publicity and that's my reasoning for not going. I also figured that many of us were going to see if for the sole purpose of seeing the trailer. If other people want to see it without the trailer, more power to them. Advance press isn't always right, and plenty of people like movies regardless of what the critics say.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:34 PM

Caite wrote:

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I didn't mean my post the way Tlacock took it, and I kinda wish I hadn't been slammed because of it. Personally, I have no other reason to see Elektra because I don't really like comic book movies anyways, and then add to it the negative publicity and that's my reasoning for not going. I also figured that many of us were going to see if for the sole purpose of seeing the trailer. If other people want to see it without the trailer, more power to them. Advance press isn't always right, and plenty of people like movies regardless of what the critics say.

Okay first, the poster's name is "tlacook", not "tlacock". We'll just assume that was a typo. Second, I don't think 'cook slammed you. He made a good point and didn't call you a name, or stupid, or anything. Looks to me like he just disagreed with you, and that's got to be okay, or none of us can have an opinion of our own.

As far as Elektra is concerned, I think it should do well at the theatre. It has that slick "Blade" sort of look to it with lots of flames in every shot apparently coming from nowhere, will probably be loaded with wire fu, and wutzername shows lots of cleavage and belly. Sex, violence and extended slow-motion music videos. How can it lose? All she needs is one of those 'aim here' tattoos across the small of her back, and perhaps a pierced tongue (as long as it doesn't interfere with the delivery of her monosyllabic lines) and the film should be box office gold.

I smell franchise.

Prejudicially,

zoid
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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:43 PM

Yeah, it was just a typo, definately. I never never said that people couldn't have their own opinions! I'm sorry if any of what I said was taken like that. Nevermind the whole thread LOL, just never mind.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:47 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

I smell franchise.

Well something's making that smell anyway

You mean the trailers don't emphasise that this is really all about character and the emotional journey of a young woman? I could have sworn that's what all the interviews with Jennifer Garner and the director (Rob Bowman?) have said...

"I threw up on your bed"

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:48 PM

Lol, well I think that I'll probably see the film at some point. I enjoyed Daredevil a lot more than most of the world seems to have, and I mean I actually thought it had some real value as a film--not just as an action film. Sure it had absurd physics, but if you accept it as taking place in a world not quite our own (which you kind of have to considering the nature of comic book flicks). I also thought Ben Affleck (whom I mostly dislike) actually fit the part really well. I will say that I don't think it was perfect--Daredevil isn't supposed to have super strength and in the film he comes across as a bit too super--but even as a flawed film it worked for me.

Because of this I'd like to see Elecktra. I've found that film critics look at every film with the exact same lens. It's strange, because they never seem to take into account the context of what the film is trying to achieve. Every film isn't supposed be high art, but a lot of film critics you read seem to look at every movie as either Oscar worthy, or pure shit. This isn't always true (and I even enjoy reading reviews that disagree with my take on things), but it is true often enough that I take reviews on movies like this with a grain of salt.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:49 PM

GOJIRO

Well, I believe in telling it like it is (unless it's the wife asking "Do I look fat in this?"), so I don't mind bashing Elektra without having seen it.

As I told a friend recently, I would have high hopes for the film if Jennifer Garner weren't in it. She is a dreadful actress. As Elektra, she was terrible in Daredevil (not the only thing terrible about that film, but one of the biggies). And I am one of the few people in the world, apparently, that thinks Alias is a ridiculous show riddled with terrible writing and acting -- again, JG is chief among the latter.

So yeah, without the Serenity trailer, I won't be going to see Elektra. And unless it gets absolutely rave reviews, I won't be seeing it on DVD, either.

But that's just my opinion, and I am entitled to it. Others are entitled to their's, as well. Variety is what makes the world keep turning. Well, that, and centrifugal force, I guess.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 1:59 PM

CAPNRAHN

Caite : I wouldn't worry - mistakes happen. Some folks are getting tired of film-bashing BEFORE the bloody thing even comes out. Even I get a bit tetchy when folks make broad comments! And I am a pretty mellow guy.

You should SEE the negative comments on Serenity on AICN ... it broadens a perspective to have ones own long-awaited film to be bashed even before it is finished!

Trailers do NOT tell if a movie is good/bad, just enough to pique interest. Heh, you ever see "Very Bad Things"? Its trailer made it seem like it was a frothy comedy - it WAS NOT ... it was a Daaaaark Comedy.

So, enjoy what ya can!

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 2:34 PM

Misguided By Voices:

Jennifer Garner! *snaps fingers* That's her name: I kept thinking, 'Sydney Bristow... No, that's her character on Alias.' Thanks. I just couldn't bear to look her up on IMDB; but then I did, to check on the director's name for you (yes, it's Rob Bowman), and it turns out she's a native Houstonian. So, now I've got to see the movie, in support of a fellow Texican (with a great bod... did i say that out loud?). Nothing says I can't wear ear plugs when I go.

Hopefully, the "young woman's emotional journey" will include lots of bathing, after sweaty workouts in her private gym. If I were the director, I'd also have her (silently) ponder the implications of her extraordinary fate, in solitary moments in her apartment, attired in skimpy loungewear. ...And wake up each morning with perfect makeup and alluringly tousled hair, clothing optional-but-strongly-discouraged. You know: nothing degrading or stereotypical; it'd all be integral to the 'emotional journey'.

Yeah! I'm really starting to get with this program!

Reconsiderately,

zoid

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Y'all know Summer and Alan are native Texicans, too, don'tcha? I confess it's one of the ingredients in the concrete of my love for Firefly.
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Sunday, January 9, 2005 2:48 PM

ELLIQUINN

I thought she was from West Virginia?

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 2:53 PM

QUICKSAND

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. To most, films are much like songs-- it's not about technical achievement, emotion or lyrical content, but just what we each like, individually.

But realize, ye who defend, the tremendous amount of evidence stacked against you:

a) It's being dumped in January, where awful movies regularly, historically, traditionally, constantly go to die.

b) It's a spin-off of a movie that, popular opinion will support me on this, sucked.

c) It's an adaptation of a comic-book. We all know, from experience, this works (Batman) far less often than it fails (Batman & Robin, Spawn, Daredevil, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, any Blade sequel).

d) Rob Bowman ("Reign of Fire," "The X-Files Movie).

e) Goran Visnjic. Nothing against the guy, you'd just think they could afford someone more famous.

LET IT BE KNOWN, though, the hacks at Aint-It-Cool notwithstanding, the movie has some things going for it, on paper, too:

a) Terrence Stamp (roxx0rs)

b) Jennifer Garner's breasts.

c) 100% less Affleck.

d) Rob Bowman (X-Files played like a 2-hour TV movie, and "Reign of Fire," though not popularly embraced, had great direction despite an okay script that had no ending).

Anyway. I'll see it for a dollar. And I've never seen an episode of 'Alias' ever.

Your mileage may vary. If you're into it for the full $7.50, check it and get back to us. I'm still warning you about the January Phenomenon, though.

(qs)

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 3:08 PM

ROBNOTRICK

Born in Houston, TX raised in West Virginis.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 3:39 PM

Hey, I've got woman parts. Just saying

And you are right. There was no personal attack on Caite.

If I offer a personal attack there will be no mistaking it.

And I adore JG! Everyone else is entitled to their opinion.

And look in 4 weeks Blade Trinity made $50M at the box office.

A fun ride can be a fun ride and I will pay money to watch JG kick more bad guy ass!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

For the overly sensitive types:

This post is not directed at or in response to any said opinion or stupidity on this board or thread.

Just the opinion of someone who is always right. At least in my own mind.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 3:39 PM

ElliQuinn:

Not according to IMDB ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0004950/bio ):
"Jennifer Garner, who has catapulted into stardom with her lead role on the series "Alias" (2001), has come a long way from her birthplace of Houston, Texas. Raised in Charleston, West Virginia...", yada-yada, a bunch of 'life details' like education and professional experience, with no inclusion of her B-W-H measurements.

On a positive note, she was born in '72, which makes her older than my eldest daughter by six years, and fair game by the standards of both Hollywood and Washington, D.C. When she came of age in West Virginia (16 years old), I was only a slightly-worn 30 years old. Now that she is 32 and I am 46, I daresay not a discouraging word would be heard (were I suitably rich/powerful), should we be seen publicly in each other's company, surreptitiously necking in a dimly lit Cafe Rodeo booth...

Okay... "Sometimes I give myself the creeps." Here endeth all satirical commentary on Elektra, the exploitation of women in film and society, and the perfectly lovely and undoubtedly nice Ms. Garner.

Queasily,

zoid

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 4:10 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I doubt if I will bother with Electra until dvd time, and not because of any negative feelings toward Daredevil or Jennifer Garner. The original film was just so-so in my opinion, neither good nor bad, and I kinda like Alias even though it is riddled with plot holes even I could jump through. Of course I haven't even seen all of the first season yet, never watched before a couple of weeks ago when I started getting the discs from Netflix. No, it's just that Electra, the character and the possible story-arc, have no appeal to me, and Garner is not so attractive that I am compelled to watch whatever she is in.

Now, if Summer played Electra, that would be different.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 4:11 PM

'cookie:

Oops... I looked on your Profile page, but no data. Sorry. You sounded like a dude; by which I mean I know why guys are going to see this movie and why fems are decidedly not, and their reasons are identical (or at least fairly symmetrical, depending on left- or right-handedness)...

You defended going to see the movie, so I naturally assumed... Incorrectly. I apologize. In the future, I recommend either putting your gender data on your Profile page, or trying harder to adhere to zoid's preconceived notions of feminine sensibilities.

Everyone knows that 'hot chicks blowing stuff up' is guy-flick subject matter, and the equivalent of ipecac to females.

Apologetically (truly),

zoid
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Sunday, January 9, 2005 4:22 PM

LOL

I don't mind sounding like a guy if that means I was using logical reasoning rather than squealing over the pretty.

I can squeal over the pretty however. Yummmy Goran!

squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

And of course, no apologies are necessary.

I am a chick who loves to see chicks kick ass. And as a result I have a huge crush (as much as a 36 yr old straight woman can) on Summer Glau!

JG is on the list but, way down it after Gina Torres, Uma Thurman and Angelina Jolie.

Hey, what can I say? I'm complicated.

BTW, my name is Tamara (sounds like Camera). Nice to meet ya!

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 5:25 PM

tlacook:

Nice to meet you, too, Tamara. And don't worry: I won't tell anybody else on the board your real name.

"Discretion is the better part of valor", as the saying goes, and I once had an Oldsmobile with valor seat covers, so I know from discretion.

I can be discreet. Once in flight school, I was furtive...

Respectfully,

zoid
(actual name and address withheld to minimize death threats)

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 5:38 PM

I'm really glad tlacook that you weren't attacking me...because to attack me would mean you were mad at me, and I really wouldn't want that. I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone, or bash on Elektra without knowing much about it. I was just voicing my own personal opinion to see if anyone felt the same way

I'm glad that some people disagree with me because without disagreement there would be less spice in life!

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 5:48 PM

Caite,

Adam Baldwin has a wonderful saying that he quotes often over on the OB where discussions on politics can get pretty nasty at times.

"Other people's opinions of me are none of my business."

People are always going to disagree and if they can't form a logical argument they will retort to attacking the person they are arguing with.

Ignore them and don't take the bait. Life is much happier that way.

And for those of you who know me from other boards: Do what I say not as I do.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 6:04 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Well, if it makes you feel any better Caite, I feel exactly the same as you do. I was only going to go to Elektra for the Serenity preview, and now that it's no longer connected I won't go. I don't particularly like or dislike Jennifer Garner, but generally I don't like comic book movies. (X-Men being the huge exception.) But by all means, let those who want to see the movie (for whatever reason) have at it!

Packer fans welcome.
All others tolerated.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 10:03 PM

FIREFLYFAN23

elektra kisses another woman

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 10:09 PM

And?

Your point is what?

LOL

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 10:41 PM

PHOEBE

Elektra kisses another woman LOL :\ Okay... what's that got to do with anything?

Well, I probably won't go to see it. I saw nothing sparkling special about Elektra in Daredevil (a slightly irritating character actually, to me personally) and I dislike Jennifer Garner somewhat, as an overvalued actress in my opinion, so I highly doubt I'll end up seeing this unless I get dragged by a parent. My only incentive to see this was for the Serenity trailer. *shrugs* Incentive to see it, gone.

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Sunday, January 9, 2005 11:04 PM

So your point in posting to me was what? Other than to point out that you are young enough to be dragged to movies by your parents.

I can't imagine a young girl not fascinated by JG's character on Alias.

Or maybe I am old now and give young girls too much credit. That would make me sad on many fronts.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 5:03 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I am w/ ECGordon on this one, and will be waiting for the DVD release to check it out on rental. The things I have read online and the trailers I have seen lead me to believe it is not a movie I would catagorize as a "must see on the big screen" movie.

Had the BDM trailer been attached to Elektra as originally planned, I would have gone to see it, but not now.

As for Ms Garner, she is a fair actress, but after watching most of season 1 of Alias, and not being impressed enough to watch anymore, I can leave her for others enjoyment. I don't understand the fascination w/ her, but to each their own.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 6:09 AM

FREAKYSINS

I'll be seeing Elektra at the theatre, probably not opening weekend, though. I enjoyed Daredevil and I like Jennifer Garner as an actress. It saddens me that the serenity trailer is no longer attached, but I'll get over it.

I'm a 34 year old male, and frankly I like watching competent, confident women kick ass... even better if they are at some point scantily clad.

Peace

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They say there is strangeness, too dangerous
In our theatres and bookstore shelves
Those who would know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

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Monday, January 10, 2005 6:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Caite:
You know, I just saw a commercial for "Elektra," and it really got me thinking. I almost feel sorry for the movie because, without the "Serenity" trailer being attached to it, it's going to have serious problems hehehe. I mean, I'm definately not going to go see it without the lure of the "Serenity" trailer. Anyone agree with me?

~Caite
"Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here."

Once again, I must be out of the loop here. Jennifer is a hottie, no question, but I must be one of the few who are immune to the craze that seems to be sweeping over everyone else. I don't know the Elektra story,having opted to not see Daredevil, so I have little interest in seeing Elektra based on JG or any trailers I've seen. I might check it out like I saw Hellboy , but only out of the most casual of interest.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, January 10, 2005 6:20 AM

PHOEBE

Hey hey, I hit the reply button and posted my opinion related to the first post of this thread, no need to shoot me down. Does it matter that I'm 17 years old? I have just as much right as everyone else to watch a movie so I'd appreciate you not bitching me out and playing the condescending adult, cause that's really not fair.

I dislike Alias. I dislike Jennifer Garner. I dislike the Jen/Elektra/Alias craze. Am I a stereotypical 'young girl'? No. I'm a girl with an actual mind of her own. I dislike JG's character on Alias, the show seems false to me *shrugs* No need to talk down to me because I don't like it. Its not as though I'm bad mouthing anyone just by saying that I aren't a fan.

We all have our own opinions, maybe being civil and respecting them wouldn't be too hard.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 6:45 AM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by Phoebe:
Hey hey, I hit the reply button and posted my opinion related to the first post of this thread, no need to shoot me down. Does it matter that I'm 17 years old? I have just as much right as everyone else to watch a movie so I'd appreciate you not bitching me out and playing the condescending adult, cause that's really not fair.

I dislike Alias. I dislike Jennifer Garner. I dislike the Jen/Elektra/Alias craze. Am I a stereotypical 'young girl'? No. I'm a girl with an actual mind of her own. I dislike JG's character on Alias, the show seems false to me *shrugs* No need to talk down to me because I don't like it. Its not as though I'm bad mouthing anyone just by saying that I aren't a fan.

We all have our own opinions, maybe being civil and respecting them wouldn't be too hard.

I'm sorry for saying this cause I know it's probably going to get some backlash but doesn't that post sound like the stereotypical angsty youth. Anything based on age is "not fair". The attempt to put themselves on the moral high ground. Eh whatever.

Anyway I'll be in line for Elektra. I'll gladly be a stereotypical male if it means seeing Jen in tight leather. Now I just have to work on convincing others to go with me

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Monday, January 10, 2005 8:22 AM

LIBBY

Zeek, first of all, you’re obviously very much not sorry for saying it, or you simply wouldn’t have *consciously* gone there. ;) Either that, or you have some sort of impulse control problem/itchy posting finger that leaves your statement even more hypocritical. If you want to go around insulting today’s youth, perhaps you should try to demonstrate a slightly more mature behavior level yourself.

There was nothing about Phoebe’s post that should have led to any of the personal insults that came from anyone on this board. Yes, they were personal. She was simply stating her opinion, and who is to say that it’s any less valid? Because she’s younger than some of us? Nobody is trying to put anyone on the “high moral ground”, but simply on equal ground. The fact that some of you can’t understand that just goes to prove her words even more strongly.

Now even though I am quite a number of years older than Phoebe, I happen to know the girl pretty well. I can say from my experience, she is very much NOT “stereotypical angsty youth”. Her maturity level truly is far beyond her years, and the fact that some of you have chosen to discriminate against her based on her age alone without even knowing the girl, again, goes to prove your own immaturity level.

It’s quite obvious that some of you didn’t like that Phoebe has a mind of her own and chooses to tactfully disagree with some of your opinions. There’s certainly nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, nor is there anything wrong with a mature discussion of differing opinions. However, some of your rude, personal, discriminatory, and hypocritical comments are best left at the door. If you don’t agree with someone, fine, but don’t sit there and talk down to them like YOU are the one on the higher moral ground.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 8:39 AM