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Monday, April 4, 2005 12:23 PM
REGINAROADIE
Monday, April 4, 2005 1:01 PM
CHRISTHECYNIC
Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: As we see in the show, Mal is a hard core Independent. But at the same time, he abhorrs the idea of slavery.
Monday, April 4, 2005 1:37 PM
RAT
Quote:Originally posted by christhecynic: ...I can assure you that the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery... ...it is proof of exactly how bad our educational system has become...
Monday, April 4, 2005 1:38 PM
DIETCOKE
Monday, April 4, 2005 1:59 PM
POTEMKINVILLAGER
Monday, April 4, 2005 2:01 PM
Monday, April 4, 2005 2:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: First of all, as my sig name should point out, I am Canadian. And even though history was one of my favorite high school subjects, I only have a basic rudimentary understanding of the American Civil War. I know for a fact that Canada had the Underground Railroad going on at the same time, wich was set up for slaves to escape across the border into a country that actually promoted immigration and international freedom. Don't states and provinces govern themselves slightly? Even though they're all under one system of rule, each individual state or province has their own set of rules and taxes. Or does that only apply to Canada. Republicans don't want big government meddling in their business. So why is Bush waging pointless wars over oil, stomping on human rights, planning on destroying Social Security and bullying other countries into becoming the United States of Texas? Bush is the kind of man that Mal and Co. would rob or take down in a heartbeat. "NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."
Monday, April 4, 2005 7:20 PM
SIGMANUNKI
Quote:Originally posted by christhecynic: As a northerner I can assure you that the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:07 AM
GRRARRG
Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: but I'm sure that there are some Republicans here that detest the Alliance.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:17 AM
BROWNCOAT1
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
Quote:Originally posted by christhecynic: Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: As we see in the show, Mal is a hard core Independent. But at the same time, he abhorrs the idea of slavery. As a northerner I can assure you that the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Lincoln said very clearly that he was not interested in ending slavery if it would harm the union. I hope very sincerely that you are not an American, if you are then it is proof of exactly how bad our educational system has become. Remember that the Union proudly counted slave states among its ranks. If memory serves the Confederate constitution had directions on how to outlaw slavery, all that the United States constitution says about slavery is how much a slave is worth and how long you are not allowed to end it for. We didn’t have Confederate privateers in Portland harbor because of slaves. Slave states didn’t fight on the Union side to end slavery. You don’t go into a war against slavery with your own front line pro-slavery.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:22 AM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:19 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: We'll keep that in mind when we reminisce about that time in 1812 when after you guys invaded us, we went down to D.C. and burned the White House to the ground.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:32 AM
NAKEDANDARTICULATE
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:37 AM
ZOOT
Quote:Originally posted by grrarrg: Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: but I'm sure that there are some Republicans here that detest the Alliance. Think what you will about possible ulterior motives; the main issues motivating the war in Iraq were squelching terrorists and supporters of terrorism and breaking apart a government that enjoyed oppressing people's rights and torturing little girls. How about that, Saddam was just like the Alliance, just with less power.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:42 AM
ELSUPREMO
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by nakedandarticulate: NO!NO!NO!!!! PLEASE STOP!!! LOOK,IM A COMEDIAN AND WHILE I DONT TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH ON STAGE---I LOVE TALKING ABOUT RELIGION AND POLITICS,BUT PLEEEEEAASSEEE AFTER THIS ELECTION,DONT PUT MY ONLY--FANTASY FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD--YET STILL DEEPLY MOVING AND REAL--SHOW. I DONT WANT TO KNOW IF MAL AND THE CREW IS DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN....NOW I KNOW I SHOULD JUST STOP READING THIS POST--WHICH I WILL, BUT PLEASE, ALL IM SAYING IS DONT TAKE THESE CHARACTERS AND PUT THEM IN TODAYS VERSION OF WHAT A DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IS BECAUSE FRANKLY NEITHER PARTY IS WHAT THEY ONCE WERE. "Hamsters is nice."
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Rat: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book And what about Wash?? Also, I disagree about Kaylee. I don't think she cares about benefits....Except maybe compression coils
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:52 AM
P1NKISPUNK
Quote: I think I'm going to be ill. Is it only in the UK that we now know that the Iraq war had nothing to do with terrorism (there were NO links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, there were NO weapons of mass destruction blah, blah blah!)? If it was about stopping a government that enjoys opressing people's rights and torturing little girls, why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia (to name but one other sovreign state that's down right mean)? Let's face it, as stated already above, the Iraq war, like all others, was about economies and money . . . Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm armed.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:55 AM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: We'll keep that in mind when we reminisce about that time in 1812 when after you guys invaded us, we went down to D.C. and burned the White House to the ground. I thought you were Canadian. You really don't know much about American or British history. [snip blah blah blah]
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: Our media, though faulted is a lot more honest than America's.
Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: Does anyone even remember who Osama Bin Laden is, and yet he supposedly is why all this started?
Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: I also wonder how anyone could see Farenheit 9/11 and still vote Republican.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: Have you heard of the Canada Arm?
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:54 AM
PURPLEBELLY
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: ...Have you heard of the Canada Arm? ...
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:44 PM
CHRISISALL
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:04 PM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:06 PM
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:15 PM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:21 PM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 2:58 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River (pro small-business, anti-big govt., pro life, Ex-military, NRA, pro-marriage, crazy...describes some or all). Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book (Book is a conservative Democrat, Simon a NE intellectual, Kaylee a union girl, and Inarra...she's a whore).
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:09 PM
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:08 PM
ZOID
Quote:something, something... set the hook, let the big fish run until it tires itself out, and then don't even bother reeling it in, just drag it along after the boat and let the dockhands haul its carcass up onto the pier. Then, have your picture taken alongside it, grinning madly from ear to ear, with a big stogie in yer mouth!
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:38 PM
VETERAN
Don't squat with your spurs on.
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: Does anyone even remember who Osama Bin Laden is, and yet he supposedly is why all this started? He's been neutered! He has no power! He's liveing in a cave somewhere! And he's not a martyr! What more could you ask for?
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:49 PM
GREENFAERIE
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: Does anyone even remember who Osama Bin Laden is, and yet he supposedly is why all this started? He's been neutered! He has no power! He's liveing in a cave somewhere! And he's not a martyr! What more could you ask for?
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Veteran: I want him captured or dead.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 5:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GreenFaerie: How about Justice. WagWag
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:17 PM
YT
the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same
Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: We also contribute disproportionally comedians, actors, scientists,
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by zoid: Really is good hearing from you again, friend. I thought we'd lost you to the NOB forever.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by p1nkispunk: Quote: I think I'm going to be ill. Is it only in the UK that we now know that the Iraq war had nothing to do with terrorism (there were NO links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, there were NO weapons of mass destruction blah, blah blah!)? If it was about stopping a government that enjoys opressing people's rights and torturing little girls, why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia (to name but one other sovreign state that's down right mean)? Let's face it, as stated already above, the Iraq war, like all others, was about economies and money . . . Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm armed. *sings* I think I love you, so what am I so afraid of? Dear Holy Christ I loved that. I would have chimed in and said something at least 50% less articulately, but luckily you got there first. I think most people from the UK share that view, probably because our media, though faulted is a lot more honest than America's. Did you notice, that the fact that Robert Mugabe, Leader of Zimbabwe who not only persecutes his own people, but the white people living in his country was re-elected, and though it was clearly fraudulant, all anyone did was say: the election was fraudulent. Robert Mugabe has also banned our media from entering, yet this is just accepted? Well I'm sure there's nothing to hide, maybe he's just a very camera shy man.. I think the answer is among us, and it's black and sticky, and worth a few bob. Like Michael Moore (he is a little crazy, but generally accurate) said, how can you ever justify invading a country and killing many of it's inhabitants to "liberate" them, when they haven't even asked for help. (Well that's the gist of what he said, I'm not quoting exactly.) On the issue of terrorism, as we can see it's everywhere. Evil is everywhere. Many many people in the middle-east hate the West. So I guess we'll just invade them, because then they'll be humming our National Anthems patriotically non-stop. I'm sure they're heads will be filled so much with joy by it, they'll completely forget the notion of terrorism at all! Lame sarcasm aside, I don't understand how the actions of both us, and the U.S could ever be justified. Does anyone even remember who Osama Bin Laden is, and yet he supposedly is why all this started? I also wonder how anyone could see Farenheit 9/11 and still vote Republican. Whether or not the Iraq War is an issue, having someone like that as a leader even if they are improving the economy or healthcare, seems ludicrous to me.
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:10 AM
Quote: Hei, z. I still come here, like Donald Lydecker at an AA meeting. Rarely see a chink in the closed minds to give my brand of enlightenment any purchase, that's all. Not at the Universal site that much, there are just folks over there boosting my credit - I think they like the fact that it's completely useless to anyone outside the US and Canada; I claim to be back on topic
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by zoid: Do you mind if I use you as an example of what 'trolling' should be?
Quote: Logan accesses Lydecker’s personal files and finds out Lydecker’s past. Lydecker had a brilliant military career until his wife was murdered and the killer was never found. Then, Lydecker became an alcoholic and was forced to undergo drug rehabilitation and attend the future’s equivalent of Alcoholic Anonymous meetings. So, in kind of an odd plot move, the scene flashes to Lydecker, or Donald, as he says in the meetings, giving a talk at an AA meeting. At first I’m thinking, oh no, they’re going to try and show the humane side of the evil guy, but Lydecker stays true to form. Instead of telling his sob story about how his wife was murdered, he tells everyone in the room that they’re just losers and that if they want to get over their problem they just have to be strong and make a choice. He, on the other hand, only goes to the meetings to remind himself what he doesn’t want to become again. Nice.
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 3:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reginaroadie: I shudder at the prospect of a country where slavery is of the norm, science is abolished and replaced by a Xtian retoric that says that 6 billion people desceneded from two, and a general hypocritical attitude towards minorities by using the Bible as a tool for subjugation of anyone who isn't a white male. Of course, much of what I said still exists today in the South, but not as overblown as what I could've been if the Confederates won.
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:02 AM
THESOMNAMBULIST
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:09 AM
Quote: Mind? No, but I think you were correct in your previous attribution of devil's advocate. I like to think of trolling as cloak trailing, provoking aggression rather than my attempts to provoke thought; I usually fail, of course...
Quote:Yes, it is Dark Angel - which was shot in Canada
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:15 AM
Quote: It's a tricky thing History, and Historical fact.... No? Fascinated....
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by zoid: I'd like to change the concept of 'trolling' to the fishing reference
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 4:59 AM
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by YT: Quote:Originally posted by SigmaNunki: We also contribute disproportionally comedians, actors, scientists, . . . usually to the USA. And don't forget hockey players. (OK, this year, you can forget hockey players (praise Bob))
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:48 AM
Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BrownCoat1: I have done more research than even I care to admit on the War for Southern Independence and it seems that historical fact and History seldom coincide.
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