Gaaaah by Riverbirch

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Gaaaah

POSTED BY: RIVERBIRCH
UPDATED: Friday, July 29, 2005 14:40
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:52 AM

I finally got my father to watch the pilot last night, thinking we'd have another convert.

So after it was over, I called him. Gaaah. He says he does not like hookers being looked up to, he does not like the language, he does not like the anti-religion references, etc. He says there are very subtle things in there that are bad and I should stay away.

Gaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!

I can kill you with my brain

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:00 AM

MIKEYMO

Oof. Well, if he won't watch the 2nd half of Serenity, maybe you could try again when Mal's a little less bitter. I mean, in The Train Job he does kick Crow through the engine, but there's also the bit about saving the sick folk.

"Be ashamed to die before you have scored some victory for humanity." -- Horace Mann

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:47 PM

RIVERBIRCH

Good suggestion; I'm going to try to get him to by saying "at least wait to see the actress (Summer) that I got to meet". He is also very upset about Ron Glass being gay. Is he gay? I don't care but my dad sure does. He is upset that a gay man is playing a preacher.

Gaaaah...

*I can kill you with my brain*

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:55 PM

TIGER

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverbirch:
He is also very upset about Ron Glass being gay. Is he gay? He is upset that a gay man is playing a preacher.

?????? This is news to me...

Not that I'd care either way.

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:01 PM

GOPHERMUNCHER

well you can't win em all. Sounds like your dad is right on the money with his observations. If they contradict his core beliefs, what can ya do? =\

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:40 PM

GREEKTOOMEY

No offense intended, Riverbirch, but I don't care for your father's attitudes, and I'm glad he's not in my fandom.

ETA: I like browncoats because we don't think like that.

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:47 PM

DEANNAMAY

Never heard any rumors of Ron's preferences, but it just comes down to some lucky guy/lady getting a classy dude. I have to admit I have some problems getting past Inara being put on a pedestel (sp?), but I keep telling myself it is simply a lifetime of teaching that is telling me it is wrong. I know historically prostitution was much more respected ancient times. (Of course, as a woman, I disagree with the current definition of prostitution, and men using women for sex. I am talking about when the act itself was considered as a communication with the gods, a truly religious experience )Love the actress, love the character, just have to open my mind just a bit wider, that's all.

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:02 PM

CEDRIC

Some things are generational. I remember when I went to see Star Wars (back when there was only one movie that could be referred to with those words). I walked out with my entire world changed. My dad walked out saying that he was totally unimpressed. A few years later, he said he really liked "Clash of the Titans." Oy vey.

Of course, he also thought Pink Floyd's The Wall was no more than a long music video. *sigh* Sometimes, you just can't convince your parents.

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Because I've got the DVD."
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Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:03 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Riverbirch, does your father have a problem with his brain being missing?

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"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:33 AM

RIVERBIRCH

Hey folks, I posted to complain with people who would share in my misery, not to let my father get insulted. I tried to think of a quote and all I could come up with was: "I love my captain." But that sounds strange. LOL

I can kill you with my brain

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:39 AM

VARDEN

I can't find anything on line that says Ron's gay, just Buddhist.

Book's one of the best Christians on TV. I'd put him up against Rev. Camden of 7th Heaven any day.

He stands firm and shows grace and humor.

May have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:17 AM

GOPHERMUNCHER

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverbirch:
Hey folks, I posted to complain with people who would share in my misery, not to let my father get insulted. I tried to think of a quote and all I could come up with was: "I love my captain." But that sounds strange. LOL

I can kill you with my brain

I was going to post something about that but then I didn't know whether or not you were one of those just post pubescent little punks who actually wanted the father bashing

Gotta rememeber that not everyone will love the show, and at least your dad had good reasons not to like it.

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:17 AM

ATTACHMENT

I think the description of Inara's profession as "companion" is much more accurate than prostitution. With a companion, you know you are getting a healthy, educated, and articulate "date" not some gap-toothed dope-head with lord knows what kind of bugs crawling around. Since there will always be people who are willing to pay for sex, it makes sense to make a licensed, regulated profession out of it, like a postal worker or dentist.

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Page

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:43 AM

RIVERBIRCH

Quote:
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How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Page

I like this sig. Today I would be pushing 80. hehe.

Wash: *I am a leaf on the wind...*

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:44 AM

RIVERBIRCH

I was going to post something about that but then I didn't know whether or not you were one of those just post pubescent little punks who actually wanted the father bashing

Gotta rememeber that not everyone will love the show, and at least your dad had good reasons not to like it.

*** that is true; he is at least firm in what he believes in. Alas, my "punk" days are far behind me.... sigh... I recall my orange hair....

Wash: *I am a leaf on the wind...*

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:48 AM

RIVERBIRCH

Quote:
Originally posted by varden:

Book's one of the best Christians on TV. I'd put him up against Rev. Camden of 7th Heaven any day.

He stands firm and shows grace and humor.

May have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Oh yes, you said it, he's perfect!!!! I just adore Book. What you said is right about how he stands firm but with grace and humor (and a mean right hook to the mole guy). He wouldn't be scared to get in the middle of something in order help someone either. Book is also extremely patient and slow to anger. He is a great role model. Being handsome and courteous just adds to his character ("I'm not a grandpa"). I would love to hang out with Book any day. Except for the HAIR incident. muuuhaaaaaa!!!!!

Wash: *I am a leaf on the wind...*

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:21 PM

GREEKTOOMEY

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverbirch:
Hey folks, I posted to complain with people who would share in my misery, not to let my father get insulted.

I hope you don't think I was insulting your father. His reaction, as you describe it, clearly indicates that he finds certain attitudes objectionable. I think it's perfectly fair of me to say that I find his attitudes objectionable.

I don't have anything against the man - I've never met him - and he's certainly got a right to his opinions, however distasteful I may find them. But that doesn't mean I want to associate with someone holding those opinions, just as your father no doubt wouldn't care to associate with the likes of me.

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:47 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Well, I was just joking around. It wasn't my intention to offend or insult (in case you got offended or insulted).

However, that said, I honestly do not think that imagining a character or an actor to be gay is a valid reason to dislike a show. Even if Ron Glass or Book actually were gay, I still don't think it would be a valid reason.

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"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:50 PM

LORA

I have a similar disconnect with my folks, Riverbirch. They are somehow just completely not interested in any sort of science fiction or fantasy. Period. My Dad got it in his head that he and Mom should take me to see Aliens when it opened at a theatre in our area when I was growing up -- the only movie I remember seeing on the big screen with them -- and I know I loved it and he loved that I loved it. He himself was rather unimpressed, Mom was speechless, but they seemed to hold the belief that it was somehow a very good thing that I looked to women like Ellen Ripley for my role models. I'm sure I kept up a rolling commentary about the differences between the film and the script-based book with very little input from them the rest of the day.

I haven't been able to get either of them to actually watch any sci-fi/fantasy movie or read a sci-fi/fantasy book since, although they will tolerate one of my movies playing in the background when they come to visit my house. That's all it is, really, they tolerate the sounds in the background of our conversation and any little outbursts that my husband or I make in reference to the media. It's just not their cup of tea. When I recommended Firefly and put on the DVD of Serenity, it turned into background noise for them as soon as the scene changed from Serenity Valley to the silence of space.

Just not their thing. If they did watch it, they'd probably have similar comments to your Dad, except they already like Ron Glass from his 70's cop-show days. (Forgive me, I am just not thinking of the name!)

It's really a small loss, just choose to make other memories with your Dad. You've got plenty of us Browncoats to commune with!

Keep flying!

"Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?"

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:51 PM

KNIBBLET

Obviously, your father has his beliefs: I suggest buying him a subscription to Reader's Digest and giving up on him joining you in the 21st century ... him joining you in the 20th is also rather a long shot.

The sheer stupidity of not watching gay actors is why Tom Cruise goes to such lengths to hide his natural born persuasion. All the uptights who love him and his movies would stop going if they had proof he 'bats for the other team'. Again, stupidity.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:32 PM

FLYINGTAMS

Your father doesn't work for Fox does he? :)

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:59 PM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Lora:
...except they already like Ron Glass from his 70's cop-show days. (Forgive me, I am just not thinking of the name!)...

Detective Ron Harris from 'Barney Miller'

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:27 PM

VARDEN

Thanks RiverB. I knew I was gonna like him when he stood up to Jayne to protect Dobson, and when he brought Inara some supper instead of giving her a sermon. "...one has leppers."

I guess I was lucky. My mother threw a viewing party for Lost in Space when it premiered in 1965. We ordered pizza and watched Star Trek every single Saturday night when I was a kid.

You gotta know someone else who'll like Firefly?

May have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:30 PM

SPACECOWGIRL

RB:
Perhaps your dad should hang out with my dad. I would never show my dad a Firefly ep. If he saw the ep (Ariel?) with 'nara & the female councilor he'd faint!

They're just from a generation that can be a bit uh.. closed-minded. Doesn't mean they're bad people. I've just learned to accept that. My sis & I steer our parents toward movies that we rate "PA" (parentally approved).

"I aim to misbehave."

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:30 PM

SPACECOWGIRL

RB:
Perhaps your dad should hang out with my dad. I would never show my dad a Firefly ep. If he saw the ep (Ariel?) with 'nara & the female councilor he'd faint!

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:30 PM

CHOLLETT

hmm....about the Ron Glass being gay thing.....

Does he think Ron himself is gay or does he just think that his character is since he never married? Just a thought.

Even if Ron himself is, does that change who he is as a person? I think not. I still can't get over how much i love his laugh. So free and unrestrained and hearty. Seems like a genuinely nice guy.

"When your miracle gets here, you just pound this button once." -Alan Tudyk, in a message to Joss with the packaged button, about the Firefly movie

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Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:26 PM

NOSADSEVEN

I think one of the problems your father is having is that he is used to TV shows that push some sort of morality (or more often, amorality) onto their viewers.

One of the aspects of Firefly that I most appreciate is that each of the characters has their own distinct worldview, based on their own experiences. Because of that, the show does not push a one sided view of things. For example, your father has an issue with prostitutes being looked up to...so does Mal. Your father doesn't like the anti-religious statements...neither does Book (or Inara). Mal himself would have been bothered by them before Serenity Valley. There certainly are subtle things that are "bad". There are also very unsubtle things that are bad: killing, stealing, etc. But these things are all part of a fictional universe designed to produce dramatic conflict more than societal change.

One telling aspect of the show's relative objectivity is that it has a fan base made up of people from radically different backgrounds and religious and political ideologies. Even more telling is scrolling through the negative reviews of the DVDs on Amazon. Some people complain that the show is just more left-wing B.S., with the glorification of prostitutes, casual sex, and anti-religious sentiments. At the same time, others complain that it's all right-wing, racist, gun nut propaganda. Firefly defaults as one of the most libertarian shows to hit the airwaves, and as such can appeal to and appall a seemingly bizarre range of people from within our Liberal/Conservative paradigm.

I don't think Firefly failed your father, and I don't think your father failed the show either. I think it was all the other crap on TV that is simply a vehicle for pushing the producers' worldview. It's just hard to recognize that Firefly is a little different without seeing more of it.

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Ain't. We. Just.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 10:17 AM

CYBERSNARK

I'm in much the same boat as many of you. Most of my family (and my family's circle of friends, whom I interact with) has very little tolerance for any type of "fiction" (SF, fantasy, mystery, animé --anything that's not about people just like them). Not that they find anything wrong with it, it's just not their thing. They don't like imagining stuff. Most of them are far more interested in chatting about news, and goings-on in the parish, and the priest's latest sermon. Fiction is just "that stuff" that some people do --it's nothing worth caring about or getting invested in. Most of them can't even distinguish between, say, Stargate SG-1 and Star Wars, let alone the different flavours of Trek.

And yes, I'm still dealing with people who can't comprehend how I can say I hated SW Episode III --they thought I was a sci-fi fan.

My mom in particular just doesn't like anything that's not spelled out and obvious --the greatest compliment she's ever given a TV show is "I could understand what was happening" (and "they have really good imaginations" about Stargate SG-1).

She, for instance, couldn't fathom why I was upset about missing an episode of Dr. Who (one of the repeats from before I started watching). It's just a show.

She'll tolerate things if I'm watching them when she's present, but will do her best to ignore them.

Basically, the only "fans" in my family are me and my goth cousin (how the hell that one happened in this family, I have no clue).

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Friday, July 29, 2005 2:18 PM

RIVERBIRCH

Shiny Update!

I got my father to watch "just one more episode" and so tonight I called him when it was over and said "did you watch it all?" and he didn't even say hello. He just said "Lisa if you get me interested in another show I'll kill you!"

hehe

I said, all innocent-like, "so there was something you liked?"

*silence on the line*

Me: "huh?"

Dad: (very quietly) "I.... kinda... liked it."

I said "Oh it gets better next week when...." and he interrupted with much as my subject line: "GAAAHHHH! I'm doomed!"

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we might possibly have a victory in view....

Sincerely,
River, very happy and what is the prize for a convert?

**I can kill you with my brain**

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Friday, July 29, 2005 2:23 PM

CALLMESERENITY

The prize: Mudder's Milk!!!

Congrats! I know this makes you very happy.

Serenity, First Officer of Destiny

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Friday, July 29, 2005 2:40 PM

RIVERBIRCH

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
The prize: Mudder's Milk!!!

Congrats! I know this makes you very happy.

Serenity, First Officer of Destiny

*singing:*
".....toooo.... meeeeeee!"

I can kill you with my brain

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