They shoot horses, don't they? by chrisisall

Yes! But then I still mourn that poor dog from Jaws, sniff...Just shoot the damned woman in the head and be done with it.

(edited to say - "yes" to the original post, not that mean Jadehand!)
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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:03 AM

You can kill, torture, maim and crucify humans but do anything to an animal and i can't watch.

I think I am sick

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:14 AM

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Originally posted by Emma:
You can kill, torture, maim and crucify humans but do anything to an animal and i can't watch.

I think I am sick

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Quite agree. Ah could go on - the dog in Dead Calm for instance? And Emma you know how worried I was about Fang...

Jeez, Nathan sure was scary in that pilot. I watched it again just after booking my ticket for Serenity 2 and I was actually thinking "do I want to meet the scary man?"!

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:17 AM

CHRISISALL

May have been the crowd that horse was hangin' around, made him mean...maybe he wanted to be shot, who knows?

Confused Chrisisall

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:17 AM

That horse was a Patience sympathizer.

Mal is not pro-PETA.

I, on the hand, am pro-PETA. Particularly when the PETA is fresh out of the oven and smeared with Tzatziki and slices of Lamb shoulder, and the Lamb is moist and cooked just right. Wonderful.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:23 AM

Suppose I should admit that despite my hatred of animals being harmed in films & TV I could never, ever go vegetarian....

What's Tzatziki?

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:26 AM

Hmmm tzatziki..

It is a meditteranean dip with many variations but generally includes yoghurt, cucumber, mint and a hint of garlic (hmmmmm)

i too like meat...i haven't had horse meat yet though but there is a horse butcher near me so maybe in honour of mal's enemy i should give it a go...

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 AM

SIMONWHO

There are only four sorts of films in this world and this is them in order of cruelty:

1) Granny and the dog survive
2) Granny dies but the dog survives
3) The dog dies. There is no granny.
4) Granny and the dog die.

I like the fourth sort best.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:41 AM

You're a nasty man SimonWho!

Come on, who didn't let out a cheer and brush away a tear when the dog leaps through the fireball in ID4?!

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:43 AM

mmmm..tzatziki...sooo yummy...with fresh, hot pita bread.... So very hungry now.

I know the horse SEEMED to be dead, but I choose to believe that it was only mildly wounded and stunned and chose, for his own safety, to fake unconsciousness and after Mal left he came to and made a full recovery and lived many more years in pastoral bliss, seeing as he was no longer of use to Patience, due to his minor injury. Maybe sired a few heirs, was fed carrots and apples by small children..who knows?

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:43 AM

Er... what is ID4? Is this some abbreviation for something I should know?

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:47 AM

HUITZIL

ID4 = Independence Day

the worst horse (or maybe pony) death has to be Artax in the Neverending Story! that WAS my childhood trauma *sob*

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Monday, July 25, 2005 5:48 AM

a) I think CallMeSerenity has the right idea

b) Independence Day aka ID4 because apparently Independence Day was too long & complicated for some people to deal with (apparently). Another one of the abbreviations that sounds catchy but doesn't really make sense - coz, OK, Independence Day is on the 4th July but ID4 itself, well...

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Monday, July 25, 2005 6:00 AM

CHRISISALL

I happen to be a Veggie-saurus!
Except for the occassional dead fish...
Do eggs count?
Or cheese?
WTF, gimme the dead horse!

Yummy Chrisisall

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Monday, July 25, 2005 6:03 AM

SIMONWHO

Apparently there were legal issues with using the name Independence Day for the title of the movie but it got resolved.

The movie itself is another classic example. Granted, the "granny" in the case of ID4 is the gay guy but the same principle applies.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 6:18 AM

Someone mentioned Artex.... I need to overcome the memory, sob...

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Monday, July 25, 2005 6:40 AM

I was also traumatized by the death of Artex. That was the saddest thing. *wipes away tear*.

Also, when I was..oh, pre-teenish, The Neverending Story was my FAVOURITE movie and I had the biggest crush on Atreyu. I'd watch that movie over and over.

And Chrisisall-I laughed at the VeggieSaurus comment. My friends call me the "Veggie-Wo" which is apparently short for "Vegetarian Woman."

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Monday, July 25, 2005 7:08 AM

Let’s face it folks; plant life may be the only species of life on this planet that is evidently smart enough or innocent enough not to go around intentionally killing other life forms.

I did used to be a vegetarian. But the call of the chicken was too great for me. For me it all ended when I was eating an egg one day, thinking to myself that I am eating the unborn child of a chicken, and it’s debatable as to whether or not it is even healthy. Something about that just didn’t seem right.

It’s amazing all the things I used to be.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 7:14 AM

GUNRUNNER

I have my ancestors US Army officers handbook from the Civil War and under Infantry vs. Calvary tactics it tell them to shoot the horse! I guess that book survived untill the war to unite the planets and the Browncoats read it.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 7:16 AM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Let’s face it folks; plant life may be the only species of life on this planet that is evidently smart enough or innocent enough not to go around intentionally killing other life forms.

What about Venus Fly Traps and Pitcher Plants?

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Monday, July 25, 2005 7:18 AM

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Originally posted by GunRunner:
What about Venus Fly Traps and Pitcher Plants?

Quiet you!
We don’t speak of such things.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 7:52 AM

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Fray101,
Sorry I mistook this to be a humourous thread and was just attempting to add to it. (still see it that way, so no offense meant here)
Continuing to be mean, Whilst being crucified I might as well pour gas on the fire.
Quote from bumpersticker:
"If we're not supposed to eat the animals, why are they all made out of meat?"

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Monday, July 25, 2005 8:09 AM

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I think Joss Whedon must have been hurt by a horse in his past. Remember the scene in Buffy season 5 when our heroes are in the winnebego, being chased by the knights on horseback? Giles is trying to shake them, and Willow says "Don't hurt the horsies!" Buffy responds with "Of course not", then says quietly to Giles: "Aim for the horsies!"

I personally think Mal shooting the horse is one of the greatest moments in the pilot episode, because it is so NOT the thing you expect the hero to do. And don't worry animal lovers, it was a stunt horse who got paid very well to appear in the show.

Now, if Mal shot a CAT, I would have to get up in his face...

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Monday, July 25, 2005 8:10 AM

LIZANNE

In Heart of Gold Mal tells them not to shoot the horses.

"Remember, shoot the man, not the horse. Dead horse is cover, live horse is a great pile of panic."

see, he cares!

I see violence on tv as... television voilence. I'm so jaded I can think "oo, fake punch" or "oh the horse is fine, probably pissed but fine."

Unless I read differently I just choose to believe the horse is fine. Which is why I will refuse to see Flicka after two real-life horses were killed.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 8:11 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Quote from bumpersticker:
"If we're not supposed to eat the animals, why are they all made out of meat?"

...on a Hummer running a stop sign in Beverly Hills...

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Monday, July 25, 2005 8:52 AM

AUROTER

It was a specially trained horse that Mal had given to Patience as a trade many years ago waiting for this day. While Mal was checking out the bullet graze on his shoulder, he was actually loading a blank into his gun. The horse recognized this, and when he went to shoot it, fulfilled its duty and promptly fell over on top of Patience. So the horse didn't die and I'm pulling this all out of my arse. Good day to all *tips hat*

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Monday, July 25, 2005 9:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Fray101,
Sorry I mistook this to be a humourous thread and was just attempting to add to it. (still see it that way, so no offense meant here)
Continuing to be mean, Whilst being crucified I might as well pour gas on the fire.
Quote from bumpersticker:
"If we're not supposed to eat the animals, why are they all made out of meat?"

Love the bumpersticker!

Sorry - just had to be clear I was agreeing with Chrisisall as you posted at the same time as me & I'd just gone "Yes, I agree"! Of course you're not mean - well, not as mean as that Malcolm Reynolds anyway.

We need a poll - what shocked us more, Mal shooting a) the horse or b) the fed in cold blood!

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Monday, July 25, 2005 9:20 AM

CHRISISALL

The real way I see it; Mal had to do something fast, Patience had a bead on him, sorry horsie.
The fed was better off dead, it didn't shock, it made me cheer!!!!(it released a soul twisted by that particular body, and held captive by it)

I still prey for the horsie, though.

Chrisisall

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Monday, July 25, 2005 9:24 AM

NIKNAK

Mal wouldn't shoot a horse lightly but Patience was taking cover behind it and pointing a gun at Mal. Of course he should have shot patience in the head instead but I think he's got a bit of Niska in him - he wants Patience to live so that people will hear what happened and his reputation will be solid.

Or maybe he was aiming for Patience and missed.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 9:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Auroter:
It was a specially trained horse that Mal had given to Patience as a trade many years ago waiting for this day. While Mal was checking out the bullet graze on his shoulder, he was actually loading a blank into his gun. The horse recognized this, and when he went to shoot it, fulfilled its duty and promptly fell over on top of Patience. So the horse didn't die and I'm pulling this all out of my arse. Good day to all *tips hat*

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Aaah, an even better explanation!

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Monday, July 25, 2005 9:52 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL

Did somebody say lamb? Gawd that sounds yummy. I wonder if Halim & Mimi's is still open? *checks watch* Nope.

Mal couldn't shoot Patience. He likes Patience. he does. Don't argue with me. But the horse, well, the horse was giving him the eye. He really had no choice. When a horse looks at a man that way, the only thing to do is shoot it. Or the dog. Sometimes you have to shoot the dog. But not granny. Mal likes Granny; he also likes Ellie Mae.

Can anyone explain to me what i said?

I'm vegetarian once removed....that is I only eat things that eat vegetables

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Monday, July 25, 2005 10:09 AM

PERFESSERGEE

Mal was doing that horse a favor and he died with honor - if you were a horse, would you want to be carrying Patience around or hiding her from getting her just desserts? I thought not.

perfessergee raises a green toast to the horse.

PS, it's pretty unlikely that horse was a stallion - they just don't make very good riding horses. He was probably convinced to give up the possibility of heirs early in life (some coercion may have been involved!), so even if he survived, he probably just went on calmly watching the mares..........

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Monday, July 25, 2005 11:00 AM

CYBERSNARK

I considered vegetarianism for a while, but I love meat too much. Instead, I make it a policy to only eat what I would be willing and able to kill on my own (cows, fish, chicken, turkey, etc). I'd try rattlesnake, octopus, and various insects in a pinch (assuming they've been made safe to eat, of course --don't wanna accidentally bite into a venom sack).

I wouldn't eat dogs, or horses. Chimps and dolphins are right out (I don't eat anything that could remotely be as smart as me), and I hold cats to be sacred.

Y'know, there are documented cases of predatious animals making friends with their nominal prey animals and actually changing their dietary habits (cats adopting mice [and even letting them suckle alongside the kittens], lions refusing to hunt certain antelope, dogs refusing to eat a slaughtered pig that they knew, etc). Don't tell me animals aren't "people."

I could go on for hours about the differences between dog and cat "societies," and how they've adapted to domestication. . .

(FWIW: Simon's father = dog [threatening to abandon him], Mal = cat ["You don't even like me." "You're on my crew."])

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Let’s face it folks; plant life may be the only species of life on this planet that is evidently smart enough or innocent enough not to go around intentionally killing other life forms.

Don't know much about plants, do ya? Some of the most sophisticated and vicious killers on the planet, employing biological, chemical, and genetic weapons. Stone cold killing machines, the lot of 'em.

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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Now, if Mal shot a CAT, I would have to get up in his face...

Agreed.

Cats = Bast = protector of children = the "child abuse" half of the Special Hell.

Come to that, the cat/Bast symbol also reflects Mal's protection of his crew (especially River & Kaylee).

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Monday, July 25, 2005 12:30 PM

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Don't know much about plants, do ya? Some of the most sophisticated and vicious killers on the planet, employing biological, chemical, and genetic weapons. Stone cold killing machines, the lot of 'em. .

Silence!!!! We will not speak of thus things!!!

I have never been killed by a plant, have you?

Speaking of cat meat. I can’t be sure, but I think I ate cat once. It tasted like chicken.

I know I’ve eaten octopus, rattlesnakes and even insects. None of which bothered me, on the other hand, I’ve eaten raw sea urchin gonad, and in hind sight was probably not one of my better decision. Nasty.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:11 PM

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Octopus, crocodile, rattlesnake, rabbit, frog, squirrel, cow, pig, chicken, buffalo, lamb, emu, turkey, pheasant, various fish (salt and fresh water), eel, snail, deer, grasshopper, possibly horse and dog (but I can't be sure), veggies, grain, and fruit. Pretty much what most folks eat.

I think I've eaten everything but cat. I'm not opposed to eating cat, but they don't look like they’d be very tasty meat. Now basset might be good.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:15 PM

ew.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:17 PM

What she said.

*Edited to reflect CallMeSerenity's various parts.

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:18 PM

I'm a girl! I got girl parts!

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:22 PM

Do you now?

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Monday, July 25, 2005 1:33 PM

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I'm a girl! I got girl parts!

*knew that already*
*is grateful nonetheless*

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:42 AM

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:14 AM

GREEKTOOMEY

Oooh, you're purty! And very much a girl, I'm pleased to observe.

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:15 AM

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:24 AM

Serenity, as always the cheque (sorry, check) is the mail!

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:33 AM

I should consider a career as a publisist (isn't that what they call them?)

But can we turn this thread back to what we were discussing earlier (which I believe was the eating habits of some of our more intrepid browncoats) and away from me, please?

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeSerenity:
I should consider a career as a publisist (isn't that what they call them?)

But can we turn this thread back to what we were discussing earlier (which I believe was the eating habits of some of our more intrepid browncoats) and away from me, please?

Alrighty. Then let me tell you about my cat-eating exploits.

There was a Chinese restaurant in Memphis some years back. It was shutdown by the time I left Memphis, don’t know if it is back in business or not. In any event, we would eat there a few times a month. I often had the sweet and sour chicken. On one fateful day in the middle of a terrible blizzard (add for dramatic effect), I had my sweet and sour chicken and it tasted different. It did taste something like chicken, but more greasy, with a hint of almost beefy quality to it. I didn’t care much for it, but I ate it anyway.

The next week (or some short time later I don't actually remember the exact timeline) we found out the place was shut down because cat skins had been found in the dumpster. Yes, evidently the owner, some fresh off the boat Chinese dude, was corralling our fine city’s herd of feral cats and using them in his recipes.

Now some have told me that I’m just projecting my fears of having eaten cat onto some chicken I ate. There are two problems with this, first these people are idiots, and second I don’t really have any fears of having eaten cat. The only thing that bothers me is the possibility that the cat meat might not have been clean, but even this doesn’t bother me that much, because I’ve eaten things I’ve killed in the wild that I’m certain weren’t any cleaner then feral cats.

I do have a cat of my own that I doubt I would eat, if for no other reason then that it is mostly fur, and frankly I get much more enjoyment watching it fall off stuff then the couple of minutes it would take me to eat its scrawny barbequed self.

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:06 AM

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But can we turn this thread back to what we were discussing earlier (which I believe was the eating habits of some of our more intrepid browncoats) and away from me, please?

hmmmm...i eat serenity...tasty *licks lips*

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