JOSS NOT AT DRAGONCON?!?!? by BayBreeze1

My daughter just told me to put in a link to Whedonesque so people could see it. Here ya go!

http://whedonesque.com/

The thread is under July 31st. Clicking on the link send you to a site called Booster Events, but I don't see any Joss info. I think the news is just listed on the thread by people who are there.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 4:19 AM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
As I see it, there's two possibilities:

1) Joss is going but wanted it to be a surprise so he's spreading an "I'm not coming" story.
2) Joss isn't going and Dragon*Con got ahead of themselves/deliberately decieved people to get them to buy tickets.

Do they have a refund policy?

Ya know, there's a part of me that's tempted to try and get my money back. But, then again, I do so love our BDH's and HOPEFULLY DragonCon isn't lying about any of them being there. It's just, I don't know, so frickin disapointing.

Plus, my daughter would KILL me if I bagged the trip.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:42 AM

WICKEDWREN

In the many years I've been going to D*C, I've never known them to post guests that they didn't have confirmed. They are a professional organization that's been doing this for a VERY long time.

That being said, mistakes do happen (I'm REALLY hoping this isn't one of them) But I don't think they would schedule panels if they didn't know for sure he was coming. This con is huge, and while I love Joss, they don't need him for the con to turn an equally huge profit. So I see no reason for them lying to us. At least, this is the rational I'm telling myself

A few people at the UB have put in emails to the PTB's at D*C, so hopefully we will have a more official statement soon.

I am not allowing myself to panic...yet

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:03 AM

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I'm one of the admins at Whedonesque and I know the person who posted the link, chatting to her just now on MSN messenger she said and I quote "Joss said he wanted to get the word out as soon as he could. Everytime he posted he'd forget to mention it."

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:51 AM

I'd just like to say first of all that I too have attended Dragon*Con the last few years, & they have NO PROBLEMS AT ALL filling the places up. Both hotels are ALWAYS packed full of wonderful & crazy people & all the panels I've attended are jam-packed & usually standing room only. I can not & will not believe that they would throw a name like Joss' around willy nilly (or anyone else's for that matter) just to sell more memberships. They honestly don't need to. After having gone the first time time, I have to say the thing sells itself. My friend & I vowed on the long ride home, while nearly in tears having had to leave, never to miss another one ever again, no matter who was booked. We met a few of the BDH's last year (not to mention some other FABULOUS people, celebs & "regular" folk

) & Joss was just icing this year! Very yummy icing mind you, but we would've gone anyway.

In the past, there were guests who were signed on to show up & when they couldn't be there, for whatever reason, they (very professionally) cancelled through D*C, it was posted on the front page of the site & that was that. It has already been said, D*C has been around a LONG time, it is run VERY smoothly (considering the number of people & guests they have to accommodate) & I absolutely refuse to believe this "misunderstanding" is their fault. At least not entirely.

He has been booked for 3 months (or more?) on a very publicized website which had a special little section up for him on the front page, saying "VERY SPECIAL GUEST CONFIRMED...BLAH BLAH BLAH....JOSS WHEDON!! YAAAAY!!" Everyone's excitement about him attending this convention has started MANY thread topics for just as many months on different message boards devoted to his works, including this one AND the "official" Serenity Fan Site Forums (the "Browncoat board"). So this comment here:

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"Joss said he wanted to get the word out as soon as he could. Everytime he posted he'd forget to mention it."

TO ME is utter nonsense. Like I said, this has been "confirmed" for MONTHS & if it weren't so, he could've & SHOULD HAVE said something LONG before now. And especially NOT in a room full of fans. He (or his "people") should've taken care of it a long time ago through Dragon*Con's guest services. I've e-mailed them myself in the past, respectfully requesting guests & whatnot. It took me all of a minute.

Anyway, until I hear something official from the man himself (& it had BETTER be good

) I can not believe that this is even true. We'll see, I guess.

And to those of you all out of sorts because you spent money on D*C just to see Joss, fret not. IT IS MONEY WELL SPENT. You will have the time of your life!!!

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:12 AM

SLAYERFAN1975

I was originally attending Dragon*Con anyways, having the added bonus that Joss would be there just made it better. I DO hope he can attend but if not, I am still there to enjoy myself.

SF

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:32 AM

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TO ME is utter nonsense. Like I said, this has been "confirmed" for MONTHS & if it weren't so, he could've & SHOULD HAVE said something LONG before now.

Alternatively, if they "confirmed" him but didn't actually ask or tell him, how did he know?

Surely it's the responsibility of the convention organisers to PROPERLY confirm guests for THEIR conventions, and NOT the guest's responsibility to hunt or and deny non-involvement in OTHERS conventions?

Joss gets no blame for this - he's not even in DC that weekend (he's elsewhere in the US) - it's D*C's fuck up.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:46 AM

WICKEDWREN

This is definately not Joss' fault. But I think it's a bit premature to blame D*C, as well.

On March 9, long before D*C announced Joss as a guest, it was posted on the UB that Joss would be attending D*C. (as was pointed out in the UB forums, sorry, I don't remember by who)

http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=too
ls.shownews&news_id=124

Maybe I'm just a glass half full kinda person (although most of my friends would strongly disagree) but I'm going with big ol' misunderstanding. But we'll all know the truth soon enough

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:56 AM

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Joss gets no blame for this

Well of course not. Joss does no wrong. The air he exhales is golden & the earth instantly grows roses wherever he walks. He couldn't possibly be at fault for any sort of mix-up or crossed wires, nor would he ever make up stories (because it's NOT what he does for a living) to cover up such mistakes. That he would of course never make. How dare I even suggest such a thing. Shame on me.

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he's not even in DC that weekend

I think it is so incredibly cool that you know Joss' itinerary! How does one get their hands on such priveledged information?

OH!! You must work as Joss' personal assistant/spokesperson AND for Dragon*Con's guest booking department! It must be difficult having all that responsibility.

And Dragon*Con is in Atlanta, Georgia. Not DC.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by IndecisiveTwit:
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Joss gets no blame for this

Well of course not. Joss does no wrong. The air he exhales is golden & the earth instantly grows roses wherever he walks. He couldn't possibly be at fault for any sort of mix-up or crossed wires, nor would he ever make up stories (because it's NOT what he does for a living) to cover up such mistakes. That he would of course never make. How dare I even suggest such a thing. Shame on me.

Although I like sarcasm, I don't like it when done badly.

Look, I'm not saying Joss can do no wrong. This is the guy who wrote "Family". He can get worked up, and take control a little too much.

In this situation, I don't believe this is Joss's fault.

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he's not even in DC that weekend

I think it is so incredibly cool that you know Joss' itinerary! How does one get their hands on such priveledged information?

He said so.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:16 AM

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Although I like sarcasm, I don't like it when done badly.

I'm sorry my attempt at sarcasm didn't please you. I'll certainly try to do better next time.

I guess everyone's entitled to their own uneducated opinion. Without knowing him personally or having all the facts we will never know for sure. But I do know the webmaster of Dragon*Con's website, who also runs the Daily Dragon (their official publication, when the con is running) & also runs the film track & has (or had?) confirmed Joss for a panel in his track. He'll straighten things out for me, I'm sure of it.

ANYWAY, we'll see when we hear it from his mouth. Even then I'm not sure I'll believe him, not that it's worth anything if I don't.

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He said so.

Like I said, golden.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:25 AM

I'm not going to have a 'How connected are we?' contest here.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:50 AM

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I'm not going to have a 'How connected are we?' contest here.

Well good. That was not my intention at all. I'm just saying that I have the means to educate myself with some actual facts before getting all bent out of shape.

And how difficult is it to believe that Joss simply changed his mind about attending this convention & to avoid making his fan base angry at him, he's played the innocent card to place the blame on Dragon*Con instead of himself?

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:52 AM

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And how difficult is it to believe that Joss simply changed his mind about attending this convention & to avoid making his fan base angry at him, he's played the innocent card to place the blame on Dragon*Con instead of himself?

Well for one thing, if Dragon*Con had him under contract, he wouldn't be able to change his mind like that.

Whatever the case, suggesting it's purely Dragon*Con's fault may be wrong, but suggesting Joss can't be arsed: also may be wrong.

Reality, it isn't massively important. We all know this.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:08 PM

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Well for one thing, if Dragon*Con had him under contract, he wouldn't be able to change his mind like that.

This is not true at all. The guests that attend THIS particular convention are not getting paid for their time, therefore the money they make is coming from autographs, photos taken with fans & memorabilia. They may sign an agreement with D*C, but they can easily pull out. As I remember, at least 2 guests cancelled last minute last year (as I stated in my original post.) If D*C were paying them for their time, I'm sure there would have to be some contractural agreement in place to assure they didn't lose any money when people just up & decide they don't want to, or can't for whatever reason, be there.

Also, Adam Baldwin was scheduled for the entire convention last year & left after the first day, as something unexpectedly came up (they changed filming dates on a movie he was filming overseas or something like that. Regardless he left.) So they apparently can just come & go as they please.

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Whatever the case, suggesting it's purely Dragon*Con's fault may be wrong, but suggesting Joss can't be arsed: also may be wrong.

I wholeheartedly concur with this statement.

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Reality, it isn't massively important.

With this, I also concur.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:12 PM

NXOJKT

It's pretty common at Cons for guests to have to bow out for one reason or another, so I'm guessing contracts allow for a guest to not come. Adam Baldwin had to leave early last year, simply because he got a job and had to go work.

I've been to DragonCon 5 years now, and they don't need to lie to get a crowd. The Con was almost too big for itself the last two years, so adding a bunch of pissed off people who are there to see a guest who "wasn't ever coming" is highly unlikely.

Joss is currently listed by the Buffy Trak as doing a panel at 1 pm on Monday. The people who do the schedules for the specific traks don't just make them up. They have to actually talk to the guests (or in the case of someone like Joss, probably an agent or manager) to work their panels into the guests' desired schedule. My guess is that it would be tough for the people that run the Buffy trak to get confirmation from Joss (or his people) about a 1 pm panel if he was never actually coming.

I don't know anyone associated with Whedon web sites, nor do I know anyone associated with DragonCon. But I do know my own experiences with going to this specific Con, and Joss being listed as a "confirmed" guest without actually being confirmed would be highly abnormal for DragonCon. I'm also guessing that sometime Monday or Tuesday we'll get official word from DragonCon.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:39 PM

From Joss:

Hi boys and girls. I'm not going to Dragoncon. As far as I know, I was never ASKED to go to Dragoncon. I didn't even know when or where it was. I have nothing against Dragoncon per se (unless actual dragons are there, which would be scary and dangerous) (and "acchio Firebolt" doesn't really work for just anyone) but I have other plans. I don't know about the actors -- I assume the ones listed are actually going and I'll make sure we confirm that. Sorry for the confusification but it is not of my making.

Gotta fly, peeps. But not to Atlanta. -j.

(The Edinburgh thing is true though.)

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:51 PM

On t'interweb;

http://whedonesque.com/comments/7410#75614

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:41 PM

FIREFLYGAL

Absolutely can't see DragonCon lying, they don't have to, as has been stated before but I can't see Joss lying either. Hope the record gets straightened out soon. But I'll be there regardless.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:45 PM

I think it's important to stress nobody is saying Dragon*Con lied. It sounds like there's a bit of confusion somewhere.

As I said earlier, joss has other plans that weekend so he ain't going, that's all the info that needs to get out.

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Sunday, July 31, 2005 4:30 PM

LITWOLF689

On behalf of me and my mom, BayBreeze1, I want to say that she did not post this so we could play the blame game; she simply posted so we could try and get some good reliable info.

Thanks for helping us to set the record straight. I'll be very sad to not see Joss there but I know I'll still enjoy the Con. Anyone thinking of backing out cuz Joss wont be there, I beg you to reconsider. It'll be fun, regardless of who's there.

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FREAKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damnit." ~Joss

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Monday, August 1, 2005 2:51 AM

FIREFLYGAL

Hey Litwolf, you got that right, DC will be awesome no matter what! I look forward to meeting you and your mom (BB1). I think meeting all you Browncoats may be more fun than hugging Adam....naaaahhhh but close.

By the way, not that Joss's post wasn't good enough but I did confirm with an "official" source close to Joss that he will not be at DragonCon nor did he have plans to be.

But a shiny time will be had by all, anyway!

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Monday, August 1, 2005 3:04 AM

Hey All! Well, looks like it's official. The Josster won't be there. I've had time to get over my disspointment (sniff!) and realize that indeed, as Litwolf and FFG said, it's still gonna be a blast at DragonCon. As to the why's and wherefor's, frankly I don't really care. Joss does not confide in me (well, there was that one time......) and I'm not privy to the inside scoop at DragonCon, so I would not presume to lay blame. I'm just gonna chalk it up to "Poop Happens" and settle in to enjoy my first Con ever. Can't wait to see any and all of our BDH's that will be there and to meet my fellow Browncoats.

I'll be in my bunk - packing!

P.S. FFG - thanks for double checking. And as much fun as it will be meeting you, the only thing more fun than hugging Adam would be hugging Nathon. Are you ticked that I rank you third???

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Monday, August 1, 2005 3:50 AM

FIREFLYGAL

I can handle third behind Nathan and Adam, BB1. I'm happy to be in there at all.

I just spoke to DragonCon this morning and I believe I can see where the possible disconnect is. DragonCon has been talking to Universal Studios. DragonCon's priority is to straighten this matter out because they are surprised on Joss not coming too! I think we should probably know the update soon.

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Monday, August 1, 2005 7:29 AM

EMBERS

Joss has been reading all the dissappointment and angst...and he wrote this additional post to that Whedonesque thread:

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Okay. Now I'm feelin' extra-crappy (stays crappy even in milk!) about this whole thing. Maybe I can tape something AWESOME (or at least exclusive) to send over with my BDHs. I'll look into it.

And, hey, I just linked to that picture of me at the Angel event! Say, is murder against the law? (Never emote in public, say it with me now....)

I will try to come up with something worthy re: the con, 'cause I honestly don't believe I can go. Bye y'all.

Sincerely, Ol' SquintyGums.
joss | August 01, 17:22 CET

so I'm sure he'll TRY to make it up to everyone!

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Monday, August 1, 2005 9:29 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by embers:
Okay. Now I'm feelin' extra-crappy (stays crappy even in milk!) about this whole thing. Maybe I can tape something AWESOME (or at least exclusive) to send over with my BDHs. I'll look into it.

And, hey, I just linked to that picture of me at the Angel event! Say, is murder against the law? (Never emote in public, say it with me now....)

I will try to come up with something worthy re: the con, 'cause I honestly don't believe I can go. Bye y'all.

Sincerely, Ol' SquintyGums.
joss | August 01, 17:22 CET

Okay, I must say that I am disappointed Joss can't make it either, but unfortunately these things happen. I was looking forward to seeing Joss too, but if he is busy, he is busy. Wish it were otherwise, but if he doesn't make it we are still lucky to have so many of the cast confirmed for Dragon Con. I needn't point out that we will have more of the cast in attendance this year than last year.

Maybe we can uncross the wires next year & have Joss attend w/ the entire cast for 2006.

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Monday, August 1, 2005 9:32 AM

LITWOLF689

A special video hello? I could cope with that, though I dont know if my mom could ^_^ Oh well, Ill just go with the flow.

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FREAKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damnit." ~Joss

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Monday, August 1, 2005 1:52 PM

A special video just for us? Heck yeah, I'll take a little bit of Joss any way I can get it! (Hmmm, don't know if that sounded quite right....) I think at this point we're all in basic agreement that while very disappointed (we just love our Joss too darn much!) we are still gonna go to the Con, party with all our old/new friends, gaze adoringly at our BDH's, and just have a fine old time.

So Joss, don't feel too crappy. As I said earlier "Poop Happens". You are allowed to have a life too ya know! And if you send us a special video, that would just be, uh, well, uh, special.

I'll be in my bunk - looking for my Thesaurus.

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Monday, August 1, 2005 4:43 PM

EMBERS

this is certainly quite the brew-haha
interesting discussion here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/dragoncon/467032.html
because evidently Universal thinks Joss is going:
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=too
ls.shownews&news_id=124
and of course Dragoncon refuses to believe he's NOT coming:
http://www.dragoncon.org/index.htm
But Joss himself is very clear that no one cleared this w/him:
http://whedonesque.com/comments/7410#more

sounds to me like someone at Universal signed him up without ever actually getting it on his schedule...
so, any bets?
Will Universal apologize for the mix up (because it sounds like their mistake)?
Will Joss be forced to change his plans?
I'm betting that Dragoncon is feeling very ill-used and caught in the middle.

All my sympathy to the fans who were only going to see Joss!

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 1:50 AM

LITWOLF689

I wish someone would just come out with an official statment, not just a thread here or a post there. But, until someone does that, Im not gonna pay too much attention to rumors, I like facts. Im just gonna wait til Im at Dragon*Con to see if Joss is there or not. I dont think he will be now, but until then *stuffs ears with tissue paper*

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 7:19 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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As of the last contact on Thursday (7/28/2005) Joss is still planning on attending Dragon Con. Until Universal and Joss tell us otherwise expect him to be there. We will be recontacting Universal and Joss tomorrow.

David Gordon
Dragon*Con
Programming Sr-Director

The above was pulled from this blog:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/dragoncon/467032.html

Guess we are still waiting for official word from Dragon Con on the scheduling snafu.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 7:35 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
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As of the last contact on Thursday (7/28/2005) Joss is still planning on attending Dragon Con. Until Universal and Joss tell us otherwise expect him to be there. We will be recontacting Universal and Joss tomorrow.

David Gordon
Dragon*Con
Programming Sr-Director

The above was pulled from this blog:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/dragoncon/467032.html

Guess we are still waiting for official word from Dragon Con on the scheduling snafu.

this is what I mean by dragoncon being caught in the middle...
they made arrangments with Universal, according to Joss they haven't talked to Joss...
so really dragoncon shouldn't say that 'Joss is planning on coming'
they should say that Universal has assured us that Joss is planning on coming....

Of course I'm just saying what I've gleened from reading different sites.
I am positive that Joss posted the remarks at Whedonesque...
and I am equally positive that dragoncon has a signed contract, but I believe it was signed on Joss' behalf by someone at Universal....

it was pointed out that Universal put Joss down as coming here:
http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=too
ls.shownews&news_id=124
but if you look closely you'll notice that Universal is also advertising that Joss would be at Comic Con in Philly, and we know that that was NOT the case!

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Wednesday, August 3, 2005 6:36 AM