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Originally posted by Cub:

What that tells me is that people like Firefly (and the TV format of the series) a heck of a lot more than they liked Serenity.

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Post subject: Joss made a post from typings!

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Hello, young lovers, wherever you are. This is Joss, coming to you live via technology. I thought it would be fair to give you all my little State of the Onion before I descend into the depths of the Warren to pound away at my keyboard, munch lettuce and ignore that annoying nerd Fiver who keeps saying something bad is coming, like he can tell or whatever. I'm excited to beat this Wonder Woman script into shape (and munch lettuce). Mostly, to be honest, I'm excited to (deliberately split infinitive) not be a Professional Serenity Barker. I love you guys, I loves me some Serenity cast, but I am yammered out. By Spain it just got surreal (I think Nathan and Summer will back me on that one). Selling is not my strong suit. Actually, my strong suit is Kevlar, but it bunches in all the wrong places.

So I have read much over the past weeks: we have Won! Lost! Triumphed! Failed! and have, of course, agreed with every single thing I read (one of the exhausting things about having no personality). But in the dark blue of early morning I do have some perspective, and it runs thus:

I'm very content. I think the movie is really good. That was hard to a)do and b) realize. The response has been terrific, the majority of the reviews extremely positive: people GOT IT. What's more, an impressive number of people saw this movie who never would have, and even more still will. This is not spin: I know we didn't do the expected numbers our first weekend, we didn't have an unprecedentedly small drop-off the second (which was my personal fantasy.) I've been to some dark places, just like you guys. But the movie has legs, and people who loved it LOVED it crazy, the way love is supposed to be. Europe has been a nice boost (and a lung-splitting shout out to my UK and Aussie UIPeeps -- they're dears, and efficient as hell). We'll keep soldiering on, until we can't crawl and we find DVD to carry us. I see us kind of like the Shawshank Redemption without all the Oscar nominations (unless Best Feet becomes a catagory). People who were befuddled by the title or lack of premise hook will finally pick it up, and keep picking it up... They may miss out on the big-screen
exitement, but they'll see our little tale and take it to their hearts. Takes a while. Just like the show.

I've seen a couple of posts with Browncoats beating themselves up about not having done enough. I never want to hear that again. You guys have gone above and beyond above and beyond. The people who are above and beyond are looking at you guys and going "Man, don't they ever quit?" Your efforts, and your investment (emotional as well as tickety) have done an enormous amount for this film and my battered heart. No more self-flagellation, unless it's the healthy, what-every-young-person-needs-to-learn-about-their-body kind.

And what about Da Fyoocha? (And why did I need Arnold to say that?) I have no idea. It could be that this tale is told. Or it could be that down the line, dollars accumulate and some exec says, "let's spin that wheel again." Or who knows. I'm not resting my hopes on it, but it's not a concept I'll ever close the book on. In case the 30,000 reporters I told didn't get this message out, I love this crew like Nick loves Nora, like Hellboy loves Pancakes, like Bridgitte loves Bernie (and if you're old enough to get that reference, my condolences.)

Thank you all. I'll be in touch again, but I have an Amazon to rassle. Remember that this is not over; every dollar (or Euro) counts, every new convert is a friend for life. But don't fret too much on what's to come. Enjoy the remarkable things we've accomplished. You're Big Damn Fans. Have some lettuce.

All love, Joss.

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Originally posted by BlueSunCorporategoon:
you know,i have wondered recently,is this is OUR Serenity Valley? are we holding the valley for two solid weeks after receiving orders to lay down arms?..i've been a Browncoat from the beginning...from the moment Mal booted Crow into the recently fired-up engine of Serenity.

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Originally posted by BlueSunCorporategoon:
you know,i have wondered recently,is this is OUR Serenity Valley? are we holding the valley for two solid weeks after receiving orders to lay down arms?
i've been pondering this and i've realized something...i've been a Browncoat from the beginning...from the moment Mal booted Crow into the recently fired-up engine of Serenity. as the loyal Browncoat,i've converted many,and seen the movie multiple times. the first poster was right,this limbo is hell,but i've learned great patience as a Browncoat,and thru that i've realized that if this is indeed our Serenity Valley,i'll be a GORRAM corpse before i give up my ground,Joss will lead us,to victory or whatever may come.Just gotta wait for our 'Angels'.

I'll be in my bunk.-Jayne

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Yeah, I said "Trekkie", with an Aye-Eee.

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And at least we didn't have to suffer through Firefly: The Animated Series just to hold the fort...

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

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And at least we didn't have to suffer through Firefly: The Animated Series just to hold the fort...

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Heeeyyyy! Now wait just a minute there! The scripts and stories were pretty darn good from what I recall. Granted, the animation sucked, but hey, (remember, it was the 70's and animation studio's had neither the money nor time enough for quality, except maybe Disney. Digital Computer Animation didn't exist then - it was still a hand-drawn cellular drudgery thing...) many of those scripts were lightyears ahead of the ST movies, that's for sure!

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Originally posted by Cub:

What that tells me is that people like Firefly (and the TV format of the series) a heck of a lot more than they liked Serenity.

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Actually, based on the trend, the tv audience and movie audience is shrinking, and in general is dropping in avg IQ*. Reality shows and tv shows/movies with no depth are the norm and I think this will continue because reality shows are easy and super cheap to make, meaning big $$$$ for network execs to get fat christmas bonuses. Another factor is that home theater systems these days are sufficient to keep people home, since there are no noisy kids or cellphone talkers, etc. The only thing helping is DVR's (TIVO), but then the networks lose advert revenue.
Anyways, just throwing out some of what I know, and some of my opinion.


* I said avg IQ, meaning not all tv viewers complete numbskulls. Please do not take offense. I watch tv, at least the little i can tolerate.

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

Folks, Trek fans survived for ten years on hope and fanzines before they got their movie. And it wasn't any big hit at first, either, nor a critical favorite. But the fan base was strong and loyal, and that impressed the studio enough to make them risk another shot.

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Originally posted by XeroGravity:

Ahh we still have DVD sales, but at this point, it'll barely break even and garner so small a profit that a return is hopeless.

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Originally posted by Chindi:
Turn away from those hill-living nay sayers...lol.. they get all bibley and twisted...

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Originally posted by Chindi:
The movie has already done VERY WELL in a bad Box Office year, and the DVD sales will be more icing on the cake!

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Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:

I've got plans to hold the line. Get me an apple and pass the ammunition....

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Originally posted by Voiceofreason:
What's next?? NOTHING. I just watched the movie. Can't you all see that they killed this thing. I am extreamly pissed off. Killing off two main crewmates. A sure sign that nothing is to come.

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It's almost like the corperate people said, "sure, make a movie but end the story".

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The sheppard had so much more to tell. That is just the begining. Did you all the get hint at the end of the movie. The bad dude said, you won't see me again "there is nothing left to see" I am sure that this was a message to all of us fans.

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I even feel that the movie went out a little too far tho. I know this had to happen, the entire show was wrapped up in this flick.

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I am pissed. Pissed this is a dead show.

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and josh: I liked the movie I just wish it did not have to end this way!

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Originally posted by CBY:
Please don't get me wrong, but I don't think this attitude helps a lot if you want to have an open minded debate.

Let's just keep ourselves shiny and respectful towards "them". Convincing is better than ignoring.

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Originally posted by Gelassenheit:
Can you imagine how many times this has happened in the history of hollywood or TV? Can someone do some serious research on this? Because I think they are going to find that NO ONE SHOW has been able to pull off this kind of love and devotion. No, not even Star Trek (and I consider myself a fan of that franchise as well)

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Originally posted by harshcritic:
Both Doom and Stealth had much bigger budgets than Serenity. Stealth cost $100 mil to make and Doom $80, so you are really comparing apples to oranges in your intellectual pursuits.

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Originally posted by Chindi:
It is sooo true that saying something with a smile in your voice.. so it is not taken as SERIOUS is hard to do in writing...

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