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Why the silly 'verse change? **Minor SERENITY Spoilers**
Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:15 PM
MYCENIUS
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Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:34 PM
GIANTEVILHEAD
Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:46 PM
DIEGO
Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: They never said in the show that the Firefly 'verse had multiple star systems.
Quote:They have no FTL technology, it would actually make less sense for the show to have more than one star system.
Quote:Plus they never said that the new solar system had only one sun.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:04 PM
Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:28 PM
TETHYS
Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:39 PM
DARKJESTER
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:08 PM
ETHAWYN
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DarkJester: To be honest, Mycenius, I think you are trying to be too logical about this. Joss is a storyteller, not a hard SciFi writer. I'm not sure that all the different "facts" about the 'verse can be reconciled. It's about the human factor in the stories, not about the celestial mechanics.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Mycenius: True, but it is clearly implied - there are comments (in the show scripts) as I mentioned that refer to reaching systems with multiple planets, and so on... (IIRC I think one is something like '...its the 3rd planet in the system" or something like that). The references to the core planets early in the series also 'implies' they are multiple star systems not a cluster of planets around a single star system. Remember that Earth IRL is in a semi-remote area, other stars are much further from us than they are in other parts of our galaxy.
Quote:Actually I believe it's implied that they do, or at least that they have something close - firstly it is not stated they don't, and secondly the 'migration' off ETW would have been near impossible without it... It may only be Einsteinian (i.e. travel at 0.999999999 the speed of light) but they would have to have something like it to get off ETW to start with regardless.
Quote:It is given by the 'visual' of River and Simon in school (the teacher's hologrpahic display) - I believe only 1 star/sun is depicted. Even if there were 2 or more suns the physics of reality still mean only 1-2 planets or moons could be in the appropriate 'belt' the right distance from the sun to ideally support human type life forms... Having multiple suns (i.e. a binary star) would just mean that belt would be further away from them and marginally larger - no way you could cram all those planets in the belt - others would be habitable in harsh conditions or would need atmosphere domes and so on... But you wouldn't get that many in a single system... Even physics aside, aspects of the story don't make as much sense (to me at least) if everyone is crammed into a single system...
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Ethawyn: I could be wrong, but I have no memory of them saying there were more than 70 planets.
Quote:At least in the movie they say "dozens" and hundreds of moons.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:33 PM
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Giantevilhead: One thing I should mention is the difference between internal inconsistency and consistency with reality.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:46 PM
STAKETHELURK
Quote:It's in the Firefly Series - specifically states 70 Planets plus numerous moons (or words to that effect)
Quote:Rightly or wrongly my point is it's a change that doesn't seem to have been necessary (has no effect on the plot, scene settings, or time in the movie) nor for any benefit to the story as a whole? Just a change for the sake of a change...
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by StakeTheLurk: If memory serves, the figure "70 Earths" was not mentioned in the series proper...
Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:56 PM
Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:03 PM
Quote:There is the matter of the matter of technology. Serenity has artificial gravity even when its life support is off so that type of technology is probably very widespread so it is very likely that they are able to settle on planets and moons much smaller or bigger than earth because of their gravity altering technology.
Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:31 PM
Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:15 PM
RUNA27
Quote:In the Serenity start sequence it talks about the leaving of Earth that Was being possible because they found a new "Solar System" with 70+ planets and hundreds of moons that were habitable - which is obviously completely implausible (for several reasons) and,
Quote: even given Terraforming capability, would be impossible to inhabit due to the distances of the planets from the 'sun', etc...
Quote: In Firefly originally the implication is that these 70 Worlds (that belong to the Alliance) are located in multiple Star Systems, a far more logical premise, and making a lot more sense when in several episodes it is indicated the Crew spend a month in the ship flying from one system to another (plus the references to 'systems' on at least a couple of occassions, and at least one reference to multiple planets in a system).
Quote: The core planets are those in the denser central part of that section of the (or a) galaxy, not the planets closest to the Sun.
Monday, November 14, 2005 6:22 AM
PURPLEYIN
Monday, November 14, 2005 6:34 AM
DONCOAT
Quote:Originally posted by PurpleYin: All you need to do is melt down our asteroid belts, and we have enough mass for dozens of planets...
Monday, November 14, 2005 7:02 AM
Monday, November 14, 2005 12:27 PM
VOLANGENERAL
Monday, November 14, 2005 12:45 PM
DAISYCUTTER
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by tethys: Here's your answer(s). Was impressed with the pure science aspect of this, so if your astronomically inclined (and not just a "nay-sayer"), you should enjoy this a bit. http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue439/labnotes.html
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:52 PM
BELACGOD
Quote:Originally posted by Diego: I still feel that the Dortmunder-type cruiser design seems too akward to be a line of battle dreadnought/battleship, but I could totally buy them as command ship/carriers in a role like our modern day aircraft carriers.
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:03 PM
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:44 PM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Quote:Originally posted by Mycenius: ...FWIW seems to me the technology issue is kinda seperate again, and a big one! The suggestion that any civilisation that has highly advanced technology ...yada, yada, yada... yet does not have FTL propulsion on it's space craft is a bit of a stretch...
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:24 PM
SLOWSMURF
Quote:Where was it written that there were 70+ planets? As for the firefly/serenity change, I reckon its down to the fact that the firefly series intro contradicts itself a bit, and they did the intro for serenity differently to clarify a few things. Snippet from firefly intro (if I remember correctly) "the Earth was used up, and we had to go elsewhere. We've found another galaxy, with many Earths..." Although the wording may not be exact, I specifically remember there being mentioned a 'galaxy' and 'Earths'. Two things to note: -Why would they need to go to a whole new galaxy? -If there are so many 'Earths' why use terreforming equipment? This introduction is not on the DVD boxset, but is included on some episodes when they are shown on the Sci-fi channel
Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:40 AM
Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:52 AM
VELOXI
Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Diego: It's not streamlining that I was concerned about but balance. It's hard to tell where the center of mass on those suckers is, but it looks to me as if the engines are not distributed optimally. I could be wrong though.
Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:16 PM
Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Belacgod: Quote: They've got artificial gravity. Center of mass doesn't matter.
Quote: They've got artificial gravity. Center of mass doesn't matter.
Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:10 AM
CAIUS
Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: [B}All of those other things might be a remote possibility in 500 years, but very few scientists today think that FTL will ever be possible.
Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:21 PM
Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:07 PM
DALTONSPENCE
Quote:Originally posted by Mycenius: ...oh, and Artifical Gravity and the ability to terraform the 'gravity' of a planet are far more extreme and 'far-fetched' than FTL drives - in fact to do the former (modify gravity) it's quite likely you would need the same tech that powers the later (FTL Travel) anyway - since they would quite likely be interrelated (energy-gravity relationship)...
Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DaltonSpence: Please don't talk science, you'll just make Joss cry. ;) While the Serenity RPG is not the show or movie and is therefore not strictly canon, it does provide somewhat pausible explanations...make their satellite systems ripe for terraforming. (Sure it's a half-baked idea, but that's what puts the elastic in the suspenders of disbelief. )
Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Caius: My personal theory is that the Dortmunder type cruiser is a post Unification War developement, and that there are not that many of them. Further, it's purpose is mostly to keep the border worlds in line.-Caius
Monday, November 21, 2005 7:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Diego: Quote:Originally posted by Caius: My personal theory is that the Dortmunder type cruiser is a post Unification War developement, and that there are not that many of them. Further, it's purpose is mostly to keep the border worlds in line.-Caius That's pretty much what my feeling on them was— big peacekeeping and patrol platforms rather than line of battle ships. The only part of your argument I'm not sure about is the rarity of the Dortmunders. It is hard to say how common they were. There was a bias towards this cruiser type in the series, but one could come up with a number of alternative explanations.
Monday, November 21, 2005 7:48 PM
ALAND
Monday, November 21, 2005 9:47 PM
Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DaltonSpence: Someone on a RPG mapping list asked for advice on deckplans for a skyplex, which got me thinking about how really large space stations and craft might be constructed in the 'Verse. Rather than going through all the troubles involved with orbital construction, why not build them on the ground on a gravity screen, then tow them into space when they are finished? No expensive space training and life support for the construction crews, no rotating people dirtside just when they get the hang of things due to cumulative space radiation exposure, and the frame is already prestressed for grav loads along the base plane. Could explain the vertical towers on a platform design of the Dortmunder, and doesn't preclude adding some finishing touches in space. Why, whole cities could be built and sent into space that way.
Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:55 PM
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