Little things you noticed in Serenity by christhecynic

When I watched the movie with the commentary on it at the part where Mal talks to the Operative after the whole Reaver ordeal, the Operative is completely in dark. Joss said it was to represent how he had become a shadow and, in essence, no longer existed. It thought little subtleties like that really added to the movie to give it an overall better feeling.

Also, it took me many times to hear the backround conversation between Jayne and Zoe after Mal tells Jayne not to bring any grenades. Took me a while to concentrate only on their conversation instead of the ship's backround noises.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Monday, January 9, 2006 4:51 PM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Just rewatched it and she also takes out one guy with a chair, one with a bottle and one with a knife.

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Monday, January 9, 2006 4:59 PM

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Just rewatched it and she also takes out one guy with a chair, one with a bottle and one with a knife.

I thought there was a knife. Like I said, the DVD is on loan.

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:01 PM

GUNRUNNER

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
My dad, who is borrowing my DVD of Serenity called up to say that he just noticed, River takes out just about everyone in the bar with her hands or feet, but Jayne she has to hit twice in the head with something metal.

Jayne really is a tough guy if he was the only one in that bar who required a weapon. I think she just used the gun, when she got it, out of ease.

IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:03 PM

IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

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The expression on Jayne's face when River hit him there was just priceless.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:08 PM

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Originally posted by GunRunner:
IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

I could never tell if she hit him there or grabbed and squeezed. Either way ... ouch.

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:31 PM

MISBEHAVIN

One of the little things I noticed is in the scene where Zoe and Mal discuss why he pushed that villager off the Mule. The sound and lighting are perfectly tied to the ship leaving the atmosphere. Behind the conversation, you hear the buffeting of the ship and the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:31 PM

MISBEHAVIN

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:43 PM

Also, with regards to the mule scene, they had originally built the thing with five seats. In the movie, Mal says a mule can't run with five. They had to remove one of the seats to actually get it right when the line came, even though I couldn't tell if there were five or four seats on that thing. The effort to get things as accurate as can be really shows in the movie.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Monday, January 9, 2006 5:49 PM

KOZURE

Probably everyone notices these lines, but I find it particularly poignant when you know the movie well enough:

THE OPERATIVE
There's a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now.

MAL
You have no idea how true that is.

Another hard to miss moment, but Joss Whedon's director credit comes up during the infamous "one-take" tracking shot in the Serenity introduction sequence just as River says: "... We're going for a ride."

I didn't really notice it in the movie when watching it the first time, but in the Maidenhead bar, Fanty slips the fan dancer some money and she positions herself very carefully to obscure the transaction between the twins and Mal from the ever-present security cams.

As Kaylee walks off Serenity after docking at Beaumonde (just following the infamous "Capissen 38 line"), you can see in the background someone twirling an umbrella identical to the one she was twirling when she met Shepherd Book.

The news broadcast about the Reaver attack on Lilac heard in the background of Maidenhead mention that everyone was killed except for a group of survivors who locked themselves in the vault.

A minor costuming detail that bugs me when I see it is that Jayne's shirt when he's in the Maidenhead has a complete hodgepodge of rank insignia - his shoulder slip-ons indicate he's a corporal, but the insignia on his chest shows that he's a Sergeant First Class. I suppose this could be some creative sewing by Jayne to make his shirt look more impressive, but it bugs me nonetheless. Jayne's indicated in the past he never fought in "no war" - the shirt seems to be a private security uniform. Could be surplus, could be just Jayne sewing on a bunch of insignia on a uniform shirt. He's also put pilot's wings on the left front shirt pocket.

Kozure the Kamikaze Highlander

"...he's our friend, we should honour him."

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Monday, January 9, 2006 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kozure:
A minor costuming detail that bugs me when I see it is that Jayne's shirt when he's in the Maidenhead has a complete hodgepodge of rank insignia - his shoulder slip-ons indicate he's a corporal, but the insignia on his chest shows that he's a Sergeant First Class. I suppose this could be some creative sewing by Jayne to make his shirt look more impressive, but it bugs me nonetheless. Jayne's indicated in the past he never fought in "no war" - the shirt seems to be a private security uniform. Could be surplus, could be just Jayne sewing on a bunch of insignia on a uniform shirt. He's also put pilot's wings on the left front shirt pocket.

Someone not-me figured this one out. Those are trophies (apparently he gave up on getting an ear.) I guess that you'll see at some point that he also stole the security firm insignia from the guy he knocked out in the bank as well. He never fought in a war, but that didn't stop him from stealing the rank markings of people who did.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kozure:
Probably everyone notices these lines, but I find it particularly poignant when you know the movie well enough:

THE OPERATIVE
There's a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now.

MAL
You have no idea how true that is.

Just to make it explicit, this line of Mal's has at least two equally-poignant meanings.

First, of course, is the reference to Wash.

But Mal may also be referring to another set of "deaths in the air": the Reavers who are dying in the space battle.

How can Reavers qualify as innocent? Mal answers that in his next lines: "I know the secret. The truth that burned up River Tam's brain..." Mal knows that the Reavers are innocent victims of the Miranda experiment, just as much as the people who did lie down.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:41 AM

SAMEERTIA

How many Big Red Buttons did people find?
I think I'm at four...

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:47 AM

ANDRE83

Nah, its only in reference to the reavers. Wash has nothing to do with that. He is long gone, and wasnt killed in the air anyway.

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:19 AM

JERRYT

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Originally posted by misbehavin:
One of the little things I noticed is in the scene where Zoe and Mal discuss why he pushed that villager off the Mule. The sound and lighting are perfectly tied to the ship leaving the atmosphere. Behind the conversation, you hear the buffeting of the ship and the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

That is one of my little nits with the movie.

Spacecraft don't burn leaving the atmosphere, just on re-entry from the speed/friction. I could see it if they were doing a full burn like in the pilot when they were running from the Reavers, but I wouldn't think normal takeoff thrust would provide enough speed to cause this.

Of course, maybe Kaylee hot rodded the engine to provide enough speed to cause this on takeoff.

JerryT
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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by jerryt:
That is one of my little nits with the movie.

Spacecraft don't burn leaving the atmosphere, just on re-entry from the speed/friction. I could see it if they were doing a full burn like in the pilot when they were running from the Reavers, but I wouldn't think normal takeoff thrust would provide enough speed to cause this.

I think they might have been pulling a good old fashioned, "Run like hell," after all there were Reavers. If they aren't going to be chased on account of running I'd think they'd want to get out of there fast.

Same goes for leaving Miranda, they're in a hurry.

You'll notice that they don't burn when leaving the atmosphere other times, so I think it's safe to assume they were going very, very fast.

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Btw, I have nothing against someone spotting a mistake, but if there is an explantion that makes sense I prefer to go with that.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:05 PM

Actually, the amount of frictional heating during ascent is a function of several factors. It is most definitely a consideration in the design of actual spacecraft, though less so than the heat of reentry.

To achieve Earth orbit, you have to gain a velocity of something like 15000 miles/hour. You have to lose the same amount to return to Earth. The difference, of course, is that virtually all the braking is done by atmospheric friction so you don't have to burn fuel to slow down (which means you don't have to lift that fuel into orbit).

During ascent, you have some control over where you gain most of that speed. That is, you can accelerate relatively slowly in the lower atmosphere, where the air is thickest, and gain most of the speed after you're above most of it. But there are limits and tradeoffs. Practical spacecraft do get going pretty darn fast while they're still low enough to experience significant frictional heating. They're just designed to deal with that heating during that time. But exposed human bodies aren't. They would certainly be incinerated and/or torn to bits if they were, for instance, strapped to the nose of the Shuttle during launch.

Now, of course, all this applies to current technologies. Presumably things will have changed by the time of Firefly, so maybe they would be able to ascend relatively slowly up to an altitude where heating would be minimal (hence the skeleton-only results). This would cost a lot of extra fuel, certainly, but perhaps that's acceptable. What's harder to accept is that they'd be willing to take the extra time to do this. It could take a couple hours to get out of atmo if you had to keep it under, say, 50mph.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by misbehavin:
the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

Yup...

Joss (in his feature commentary - HIGHly recommended) constantly gives props to Jack Green (the DP) for being the genius behind the subtle & expressive lighting, giving away tons of details on how he did it and, also, how efficiently he did it, vs. how lengthy (read, "expensive") the same process would have been on any other shoot.

Now, for those of you little-thing-noticers who haven't visited imdb's "Serenity" pages yet, I've taken the liberty of including their trivia listings here(with), below (andsoforth) etcetc... etc:

TRIVIA FOR SERENITY (2005)

* Universal Studios took the unusual step of allowing early previews of the unfinished film. The 5 May 2005 previews were held in 10 cities, the 26 May 2005 previews were held in 20 cities, and the 23 June 2005 previews were held in 35 cities. An early preview was also held on the Gold Coast, Qld, Australia on Friday 22 July 2005

* Two wrecked ships are shown with the registration numbers C57D, a reference to Forbidden Planet (1956). [UNSARDONIC: Joss does seem to like to pay tribute to his influences - bless the man for his eclectism (which, as I have mentioned in another post, is its own reward) - I mean, "Forbidden Planet" is as seminally formative as movies go for today's modern science-fiction. One trope I might mention (speaking about his influences) (because I haven't see anyone else do this one yet) is... did you notice how the planet/town where the bar fight sequence occurs, the one outting River(?), looks like the section of "Blade Runner" where Deckard has his noodle-bowl lunch? I almost expect Rutger Hauer to come stalking through with raccoon-eyeshadow makeup.] Jayne points out the first one as they explore. The second is the rescue ship, the source of the beacon.

* A coffee maker seen in Serenity's dining room/kitchen is an F.A. Porsche Design coffee maker made by Siemens.

* The futuristic-looking handcuffs used on River are in fact Clejuso Number 13s, the second heaviest handcuffs currently in production.

* When the Operative reviews Mal's file, it shows his Date of Birth as 9/20/2468. 9/20/2002 is the day Firefly premiered.

* The keyboard Mal uses to transmit the signal from Mr. Universe's basement is a Micro Innovations Web Office Pro Keyboard.

* One of the video clips playing on the monitors in Mr Universe's base is the Blue Sun commercial from the "Firefly" (2002/I) episode "The Message".

* This is the first film for which a digital cinema distribution master was made using the new DCI standards using JPEG2000 compression and a 12 bit 4:4:4 XYZ color space.

* During the intro scene, the teacher says in Mandarin, "Please, quiet down a bit."

>>> WARNING: Here Be Spoilers <<<
Trivia items below here contain information that may give away important plot points. You may not want to read any further if you've not already seen this title.

* SPOILER: According to the Q&A with Joss Whedon and the cast after the premiere at the Edinburgh International Film Festival, there were at least 20 separate takes of the final make-out scene between Simon and Kaylee in the engine room, with take #20 being the one used in the final cut.

* SPOILER: During the funeral scene, Kaylee wears a medallion with the Chinese symbol for joy/happiness/cheer, a symbol often used in weddings.

I dunno... somethingsomethingsometing "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

:biggrin"

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:10 AM

ANDRE83

Ok, this is Serentiy (the pilot) but still :P

I just noticed that when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:49 AM

JAYRO

In one of River's flashbacks, we see the teacher telling the children to lie down, and the class obeying without fuss. Is this her subconscious brain interpreting or 'acting out' what it knows about the Miranda population?

Also, River is the only one who rebels againt the teacher's command - she has an 'aggressor' response, just like the tenth of a percent who turned into Reavers. Is this a metaphor, or is it suggesting that River, had she been raised on Miranda, would have become a Reaver herself?

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"We're meddlesome." - River Tam

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:07 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Well, being geographically challenged and not having the official DVD available yet (I live in Ireland) I have to hang on a while longer. But one thing I want to look at is ~every~ ~single~ ~One~ of Mr. Univers' screens. I have to see what's on those! The Lovebot wedding footage had me giggling in the cinema.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:09 AM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
The Lovebot wedding footage had me giggling in the cinema.

Like a happy well-fed baby?

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:33 AM

JERRYT

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* SPOILER: According to the Q&A with Joss Whedon and the cast after the premiere at the Edinburgh International Film Festival, there were at least 20 separate takes of the final make-out scene between Simon and Kaylee in the engine room, with take #20 being the one used in the final cut.

Lol, Sean, you dog you!

Sean: Hmmm, I don't think I quite got that right Joss, lets do it again... Nope, maybe one more time... No, still not quite right.

JerryT
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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:20 AM

EST120

Lots of things I missed the first time that have already been mentioned. One that I can think of, though is when the crew is getting ready to leave the ship to steal the money. Kaylee is under the hovercraft and you can see her image is blurry and wavy like something is coming out of the bottom of the hovercraft to make it float.

Always liked that.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Andre83:
when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

I should've noticed this good point, too. And you'll note, when Mal told Kaylee (at the opening of "Serenity," the film) that she'd told him last week that the catalyzer would hold that long, she responds saying, "That was 6 months ago, cap'n." And, it's well known that the timeline between the end of the TV series & the beginning of the BDM was between 5 & 6 months.

Forgive me if someone else already posted this pointlet

Forgive me, you DUDES!! FORGIVE Me!! "or your friends will think you're stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by jerryt:
Lol, Sean, you dog you!
Sean: Hmmm, I don't think I quite got that right Joss, lets do it again... Nope, maybe one more time... No, still not quite right.

HAH!
There is the school-of-thought that holds that your scenario is, essentially, correct but, instead of crediting the line to Sean, it should be credited to Jewel.

I mean, how many times have you heard the girls on this forum moon on, endlessly, relentlessly, seemingly neverendingly - I do mean, for hours, days, weeks, even months at a time - without remorse, guilt, shame, a

, regret or, apparently, anything else better to do with their time... ( I could go on) (should I?) (oh... I guess I'll stop...) about how physically perfect Sean Maher is as a masculine specimen, eh?

The possibility exists that the man actually 'pitches-for-the-other-team,' as it were and just happens to be a great actor. Of course, I don't know any of these nice people so... these are all speculations for the sake of, umm... speculatin'...

Ooh... ooh(!)... watch the scenario unfold that that IS the case and all the retakes were due to Joss, ie., "Damn it Sean, kiss her aGAIN - but this time get it RIGHT! Pretend she's your boyfriend, dammit!!." Or ... that scenario IS correct & Joss was just torturing Sean by making him redo it over & over, although each take was equally as good as the others.

Kiss her again(!) you DUDES, KISS HER AGAIN(!!!) "or your friends will think you're stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:54 AM

[** volunteers to kiss Jewel again **]

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:55 AM

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:55 PM

SHINYFLY

Semi-sorta on the subject...about the references to catalizers...watching Ariel the other night I noticed something. In the scene where Wash and Kaylee are in the junk yard looking for parts, it looks like Wash picks up one of the infamous catalizers and tosses it at the soon to be med copter.If someone's posted this before, my utmost respect. Still, it's a neat little detail.

"Catalizer's a nothin' part Captain." "'Til you ain't got one, and it appears to be everything." (Out of Gas)

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:09 PM

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I mean, how many times have you heard the girls on this forum moon on, endlessly, relentlessly, seemingly neverendingly - I do mean, for hours, days, weeks, even months at a time - without remorse, guilt, shame, a , regret or, apparently, anything else better to do with their time... ( I could go on) (should I?) (oh... I guess I'll stop...) about how physically perfect Sean Maher is as a masculine specimen, eh?

I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. Anyways, I was reading some interview with Joss in it, with Empire(it's in one of the threads here) and he said something that they gave Sean a nickname: Sean "The Bod" Maher. Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:45 PM

NOSADSEVEN

Some catalyzer clarifications:

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Originally posted by Andre83:
when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

Actually I think she was asking him for a new compression coil, but your point is still correct because the catalyzer is the part of the compression coil that blew.

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Originally posted by Unsardonic:
And you'll note, when Mal told Kaylee (at the opening of "Serenity," the film) that she'd told him last week that the catalyzer would hold that long, she responds saying, "That was 6 months ago, cap'n." And, it's well known that the timeline between the end of the TV series & the beginning of the BDM was between 5 & 6 months.

Here they were actually discussing the "entry coupling".

On a different note, the series-to-movie timeline inconsistancies damage my calm. They can probably be wanked out, but never quite to my satisfaction...

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:22 PM

GAIJINFLYER

I found something on Mr. Universe's underground secret transmitter platform, when Mal and the Operative are fighting.

After Mal gets stabbed, they cut away to the crew and when the film returns to Mal he falls to the plexiglass floor.

This looks just like the beginning sequence from 'Out of Gas'. It has the same perspective, same orientation and the same thud factor! I think it had to be deliberate (maybe just the cinematographer, and not even Joss). Joss didn't mention it in the commentary.

What think you?

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:50 PM

WILDBILL

During Mal's "Big Speech" there is a book laying on Jayne's gun in front of him. Book's Bible? Thats's my thinking.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:
I think she was asking him for a new compression coil, but your point is still correct because the catalyzer is the part of the compression coil that blew.

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Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Here they were actually discussing the "entry coupling".

On a different note, the series-to-movie timeline inconsistancies damage my calm. They can probably be wanked out, but never quite to my satisfaction...

Ah-HAH! Thanks for that; now that you have put those syllables back into my frontal lobes, I recall that your memory is better than mine. I fear mine was based solely on 9 theatrical viewings, which HAVE been, well... a few months, as it were. Sad... because it would have made such a nifty little s-t-m timeline... thing... a lovely fluid sorta continuity

Give me series-to-movie continuity "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by Omelet:
I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. ... Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Hehheh... see what I mean by "No shame?"

Luckily you're an "omelet," which kind of implies cohesiveness & togetherness - as opposed to 'SCRAMbled' eggs, I mean

Ooh-ooh(!), (& while I'm analogyzing), it's good you're not hard-boiled

...I know, I know, the "pun"ishment is hard to take

somethingsomethingsomething... "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:55 PM

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Originally posted by GaijinFlyer:
This looks just like the beginning sequence from 'Out of Gas'. It has the same perspective, same orientation and the same thud factor! ... What think you?

Hmmm... despite how many times I've seen it, this trope should've been obvious (it wasn't, to me, anyway). Now I won't be able to keep it out of my head

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by wildbill:
During Mal's "Big Speech" there is a book laying on Jayne's gun in front of him. Book's Bible? Thats's my thinking.

Checked this out very closely &, I do believe you're correct

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:09 PM

SINGATE

Anybody else notice the absence of Vera in the movie. You would think the seriousness of the situation would require Jayne to bring out his best.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:43 PM

KATRIC

Kozure,
Jayne's shirt has his "souveniors" from either kills or knock outs. Mal's not going to let him, "take an ear". In the robbery scene after Jayne knocks out the security guard he rips the man's shirt open displaying a blue patch. If you look closely as he's walking to the vault it looks like Jayne is putting something in his right pocket. The man's patch. Later in the bar that same patch is on Jayne's shirt. (my guess anyway)

katric

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Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:06 PM

VALICK

During the fruity oaty bar song you can actually see the code flash on the octopus for a second. Also, when they have to "glide" into the hangar, a brief flash shows the Mule's wires snapping.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:53 AM

BWARE42

In the movie, I noticed that the flight crew in the hangar at Beaumont (sp?) wore orange uniforms that looked like the Wholeness Army from "The Postman." One of them had the 8 patch right on the sleeve. I may be wrong, but since they used the battle armor from Starship Troopers for the purple bellies in Firefly, maybe they raided another costume closet for Serenity...

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:39 AM

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but since they used the battle armor from Starship Troopers for the purple bellies in Firefly,

Huh... I never thought about that before... but I always had the subliminal feeling in watching the Battle of Serenity Valley scenes... that I was watching a remake of "Starship Troopers." The landscape, lighting, the big ships in the sky, the nature of explosive flashes... I almost expected the bugs to show up around a rock. Before it was just a shadow-lurking-in-the-back-of-my-mind but now, you've helped make it a conscious awareness that'll always be there. I wonder if Joss did this on purpose?

'Join the forces of bug-crushing freedom' "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:03 AM

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One of the things that I noticed in Serenity was all the little phrases that River would say. First time through it meant absolutely nothing. But watching it again you go OOHHH that's what she was saying. Like when they kill the Reaver after the mule chase and she says "He didn't lie down, they never do" All of a sudden it just made sense. I just love it stuff like that. It really adds depth to the movie.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:51 AM

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One of the things that I noticed in Serenity was all the little phrases that River would say. First time through it meant absolutely nothing. But watching it again you go OOHHH that's what she was saying. Like when they kill the Reaver after the mule chase and she says "He didn't lie down, they never do" All of a sudden it just made sense. I just love it stuff like that. It really adds depth to the movie.

Another one is the "old men covered in blood" line in the storage locker scene with Simon.

Cookie, along the same lines, I've noticed than many of River's most cryptic comments from the series now make much more sense -- you might try watching for them on your next viewing.

I'm thinking especially about two lines. One includes the phrases "they come out of the black, they come when you call". The other is from Ariel -- it's the line about taking Christmas away and leaving only coal. I think these can both be interpreted as referring to her secret knowledge about the Reavers.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:59 AM

...along the lines of River's cryptic declarations: that's one of the first things that attracted me to the show when it first aired on Fox. That is, I was taken with the show immediately - I believe the scene of Mal being pitched out of a hologram of a saloon window on "Unification Day," hooked me instantly (and then Wash makes his "Grand Entrance, " oh YEAH!) - but, the methods whereby River's character was expanded during the early episodes, had me captivated. I couldn't think of another character on television like her & I was constantly paying attention to her (very rare) pronouncements. Particularly loved her efforts to "repair" Book's bible.

And then, of course... her blossoming on the BDM, WOW!

This has become a particularly satisfying thread to me - I've learned a lot about little things I missed... things I'll be watching for now. Thanks you guys

It's clear that none of you "are stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:21 PM

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I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. ... Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Hehheh... see what I mean by "No shame?" Luckily you're an "omelet," which kind of implies cohesiveness & togetherness - as opposed to 'SCRAMbled' eggs, I mean Ooh-ooh(!), (& while I'm analogyzing), it's good you're not hard-boiled ...I know, I know, the "pun"ishment is hard to take

You're absolutely friggin right I got no shame. About the cohesiveness though, it really not there. In fact, my name is a total lie. I'm as sane as a person smoking with a tank of oxygen,

,which isn't very.

By the way, very funny comment. If it weren't for the damned mood swings, I would have fallen out of my chair. For now, I'm just crying and laughing at the same time.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:32 PM

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Ok, this is Serentiy (the pilot) but still :P

I just noticed that when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

In the original, unfinished, cut of Serenity that scene was a little longer, and Mal told Wash to go out and buy one.

Also, it was the catalizer on the compression coil, when the engine room was a mess in the Train Job Kaylee said it was becasue somebody wouldn't replace the crappy compression coil.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:49 PM

One thing that I didn't notice, was that Mal puts his hand on Mr. Universe's shoulder. Joss said that Nathan insisted that was what Mal would do, and I agree.

I always liked the character of Mr. Universe, at first I was turned off by his betrayal, but then he crawls across the floor with a sword induced hole in him to get the signal out, and he too was a believer, his last words, "They can never stop the signal."

The second time seeing the movie I noticed that the way he was acting on the wave where he's setting them up for the operative seemed out of character for him, and if it seemed out of character to me after seeing him in character for all of two scenes the crew must have picked up on it.

It wasn't a betrayal, it was the closest thing to a warning he could manage.

And more to the point, he crawled across the floor and left a message to Mal AFTER BEING RUN THROUGH WITH A SWORD. I think it's great that even though he's in a hurry, even though there are more important things going on, Mal takes one (short) moment to show Mr. Universe respect and the personal nature of it seemed perfect.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:25 PM

In the Maidenhead bar, after River drops her coat, she takes one or two graceful steps and lets her first victim have it with a swift kick to the face.

The guy must have been in the middle of taking a drink, because something shatters into a zillion shards when she hits him. It's either his glass, or the poor guy's gonna have a major bill for dental work.

Either way, that's gotta smart.

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Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:28 PM