That 70's show and Malcolm in the Middle cancelled by Cylkster

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That 70's show and Malcolm in the Middle cancelled

POSTED BY: CYLKSTER
UPDATED: Friday, January 20, 2006 06:20
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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:48 AM

This article from CNN talks about these shows being cancelled but instead of replacing them with NEW shows, they are talking of replacing them with shows that have been cancelled and bringing them back. They mention Futurama and King of the Hill. We need to rise up and make them know for sure that the browncoats are here and we want Firefly back!

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PASADENA, California (Hollywood Reporter) -- Fox's veteran comedy "Malcolm in the Middle" will end its seven-season run May 14, while "That '70s Show," now in its eighth season, will bow out four days later, the network said Tuesday.

For the homestretch, "Malcolm" will return to Sundays beginning January 29, opening the night at 7 p.m., a slot generally occupied by cartoon reruns.

Meanwhile, Fox is in conversations with former "That '70s Show" stars Ashton Kutcher and Topher Grace to return for the show's finale, Fox entertainment president Peter Liguori said during the network's portion of the Television Critics Assn. winter press tour.

While the end for "Malcolm" and "That '70s Show" comes after long, successful runs, the untimely exit of the network's Emmy-winning but low-rated comedy "Arrested Development" after three seasons -- two of them abbreviated -- brought up a lot of questions.

Although the network touts airing the two-hour block of the final four episodes of "Arrested's" current order on February 10 as "season finale," Liguori stressed that a future return of the show to Fox is "highly unlikely."

"Arrested's" producers, Imagine TV and 20th Century Fox TV, are fielding offers from two networks, Showtime and ABC, which are interested in picking up the acclaimed series.

With no strong new comedy additions in the past couple of seasons ready to fill the void left by the departing comedies, the network's brass are putting a lot of muscle behind the rollout of its midseason comedies "Free Ride" and "The Loop," using the network's best launching pad, the blockbuster "American idol," to help their chances.

The partially improv "Free Ride" is slated for a March 1 preview, following a special 90-minute episode of "Idol," and "Loop" is getting a preview March 15, leading out of an "Idol" results show. On March 12, "Free Ride" moves into its regular Sunday 9:30 p.m. slot, temporarily replacing "American Dad," while "Loop" will relocate to its regular Thursday 8:30 p.m. period March 16.

Fox also is taking another look at two comedies that have been off the schedule for a while.

"King of the Hill," which is not in production but has never been officially canceled, might come back as early as January 2007 if discussions with the series' producers are successful, Liguori said.

Meanwhile, there haven't been any active negotiations to revive "Futurama," which, much like "Family Guy" before it, is enjoying a second life on Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" late-night block. But Fox executives are keeping a close eye on the series' newfound success.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:50 AM

PRINCESSROHANNEN

Yeah! And getting Futurama back wouldn't be half-bad, either!

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:56 AM

PSOLARIS

Quote:
Originally posted by Cylkster:
But Fox executives are keeping a close eye on the series' newfound success.

Let's hope indeed they are keeping a close eye on newfound successess of ALL of their cancelled shows.

*Jumps up and waves hands and arms uncontrollably* LOOK OVER HERE FOX!! YOU BASTARDS!!

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:00 AM

KSC

Malcolm in the Middle sends me into a rage. Good ridance.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:15 AM

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

I love Malcomb in the Middle. But then again, the mom reminds me a lot of my own mom....and I am kind of a girl cross between Malcomb and Francis. My brother is Reese all over again. And my little sister is a girl version of Dewey.

I can relate on so many levels.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:18 AM

BOWIE

I hate 70's show, good riddence, though I enjoyed Malcom.

Fox get off your ass and notice us, you, you Hwoon dahn!

If you play Nationstates.net check out the region Firefly.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:19 AM

DAX82

Everyone one of those shows should be cancelled, especially Malcolm in the Middle and King of The Hill. Futurama was ok at best, but they already have Family Guy American Dad and The Simpsons. They dont need Futurama and nobody needs King of The Hill.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:22 AM

NINAH148

It can't be coincidental that the shows they're thinking of bringing back are all animation. I wonder if the profit margin and potential long-term longevity of animated shows makes them more attractive to resurrect, or if it's simply that with animation it's not as much of a concern whether you can get the original cast back or not.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:23 AM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by Psolaris:

*Jumps up and waves hands and arms uncontrollably* LOOK OVER HERE FOX!! YOU BASTARDS!!

* jumps up and down with Psolaris and adds her voice to the shoutin'!*

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:28 AM

MISTERNISHKA

Good, I hate Malcolm in the Middle and That 70's show. Futurama, I had liked. But I really hate King of the Hill. It is so bad!!!!

However, with this sign I might jesture this is the perfect time to horass Fox again into putting Firefly back on the air!!!!

"This is what being insane feels like!"

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:30 AM

BOWIE

Malcom and King o' the hill were not bad. :(

But yes, it is time to put up hell to fox and demand Firefly's reserection!

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:06 AM

ASHBURNBROWNCOAT

If they're cancelling old show nobody likes how about bringing one that everyone already likes -cough-Firefly-cough-.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:25 AM

REGINAROADIE

THAT 70'S SHOW, I am certainly glad to see the back end of. In the 8 years that was on, it was never that funny to begin with.

But MALCOLM I actually liked and enjoyed on a regular basis. I also dug it because Lois reminds me so much of my own mom that it's almost scary. And Hal has to be in the top ten or top five funniest sit-com dad's ever created. He actually puts Homer to shame. Admittedly, the last few years has shown some signs of aging, but they are still capable of cranking out incredibly funny and highly memorable episodes, like this years season premiere "Burning Man". There's nothing like a camper exploding into flames to get you in a good mood.

I had heard that this was going to be the last year for it anyways, but still. Kinda sad to see a show that started out as their biggest sitcom since THE SIMPSONS become their lowest rated show, I think.

With this, as well as the demise of ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, the only reason I'll be watching FOX now is for 24. And for laughs, only MY NAME IS EARL and THE OFFICE.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:27 AM

GRIMJACK21502

...meanwhile in a Fox Exec's office

Fox Exec: Alright we cancelled Punked and Too Old to be in the Middle. Now what to put in their place.

(notices latest DVD sales report lying open on desk)

Fox Exec: Wow look at those FIREFLY unit numbers!

(a glazed look crosses over his eyes)

Fox Exec: ...wait a minute.

Could it be that easy?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:34 AM

MUIRGHEAL

Wow, Im surprised both shows lasted this long anyways. Both shows jumped the shark a while back.

When your MAIN CHARACTER leaves and you continue, I mean good grief talk about flogging a horse. I said Surely they wont continue always being in the Foremans house with the Foreman's parents with both Foreman children, one of whom was the shows main focus, gone!! but they did!! OMG! The show was already on a downward spiral and officially jumped the shark when Topher Grace left. . .Hrm like killing off your title character . . . Oh wait, sorry, Bitter much?

AND

Malcom in the Middle. Everyone knows its a ratings gimic to introduce a new child ala the Brady Bunch, or Growing Pains or Family Ties. Nope, doesnt work. So MitM officially Jumped Shark when they brought on Jamie. How can you be the middle kid of 4 anyways? Malcom didnt officially become the middle kid until Jamie was born.

*Sigh*

But yea, any possibility to bring Firefly back cant be bad. But frankly I think Firefly is a bad bad bad fit at Fox. Why SciFi keeps passing just confirms my opinion of their Execs . .Why take up a Great show with a built in fanbase when we can keep putting out cutrate Made for SciFi movies with has been stars in it??

Oooo got long. Mea Culpa guys. Didnt mean to run on.

*blush*

Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person
"Ain't we just!"

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:41 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

That's kind of sad. I liked both shows. Oh well, they had good long runs and I've lost track of them by now anyways. I'm prolly gonna pick up both shows on DVD.

King of the Hill I've never really liked. It has the occasional good moment, usually when Hank's dad shows up or Hank says he's gonna kick somebody's ass, but other than that, it sucked. It felt like it was trying to be a too-serious Simpsons and just fell flat.

If they bring back Futurama and Firefly to replace Malcolm and '70's show I will be completely happy with TV again.

*joins Psolaris and FollowMal in arm-waving*

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:29 AM

LISSA

king of the hill is a wonderful show.

"i'm gonna need a window seat cause this flower is wilting!"

~lissa, retired spwhore

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:32 AM

REGINAROADIE

Actually, the introduction of Jamie didn't really bother me. I know that the addition of a baby is usually a show-killer moment. But in this case, it wasn't arbitrary. Jane Kaczmarek was actually pregnant, so instead of hiding it, they decided to write it into the show. Jamie himself hasn't made the show too cutesy. If anything, Jamie gives the show the opportunity to show how vastly irresponsible they are towards Jamie.

"And the moral of the story is, I'll screw you over in a heartbeat, just like they screw me over. It's jus the way it is around here."

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"YES!!!I'm a man posessed by many demons....Polite demons that would open the door for a lady carrying too many parcels...BUT DEMONS NONETHELESS!!!! Yes. I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting, curving path that..actually leads to a charming plot garden, BUT BEYOND THAT EVIL!!!"

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:55 AM

KILLERBANANA

Its a shame about the cancelling of Malcolm in the middle, that show was awesome (though it won't make a huge differance to me since I have a basic 4 channels thing of uk tv and they have barely showed any of it). But the possibility of more Firefly (or even Futurama) is shiny ^^

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:18 PM

QUIXOTIC

If Fox is re-eevaluating cancelled shows, would it be too much to ask for them to bring back Brisco County, Jr. as well as Firefly?

I loved that show, even if it did go downhill after they killed off Bly.

This is not to say that I'm saddened by the notion of more Futurama. "Friends! Help! A guinea pig tricked me!"

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:47 PM

RITAK7

This is how i shall defend King of the Hill by relaying a small part of an episode:

The son, Bobby chubby a little awkward and funny, tries smoking, the dad, Hank whose character is defined by the fact that he mows his postage stamp size yard with a riding mower which has a beerholder, decides he will teach Bobby a lesson.
Bobby will smoke a carton of cigarettes till the ciggies are done he is sick and therefore done with cigarettes. Now Hank is a proud proud Texan America so when Bobby holds the cigarette between his thumb and foreginger Hank questions him
"What nationality are you." Bobby's answer "American" Hank's response "then why are you holding that cigarette like a Nazi!"
Hank proceeds to show him how to smoke and they both end up addicted to nicotine and attended NA

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:03 PM

WINDWALKER

It's time for That 80's show!!!!
and update the title every decade!!!
i can't wait for that OO's show

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:30 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Quote:
Originally posted by Windwalker:
It's time for That 80's show!!!!
and update the title every decade!!!
i can't wait for that OO's show

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Fox already tried That '80s Show.

As expected, no one really wanted to relive that decade

and so it was quickly cancelled.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:53 PM

DONCOAT

Well, if Fox is going to bring back cancelled shows, can I put in a second-place vote for Wonderfalls?

How about that for a Thursday night lineup -- Wonderfalls followed by Firefly. I'd run down a small child to get home in time for those.

Well, an ugly small child.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:12 PM

GIXXER

I'll mourn Malcolm in the Middle.

Hal has always been awesome, and latterly Dewey has been keeping his customary blank expression and completely stealing scenes all over the place.

I really want a Candy Floss (sorry, Cotton Candy) machine now.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:20 PM

WINDWALKER

I was just joking

Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Quote:
Originally posted by Windwalker:
It's time for That 80's show!!!!
and update the title every decade!!!
i can't wait for that OO's show

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Fox already tried That '80s Show. As expected, no one really wanted to relive that decade and so it was quickly cancelled.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:58 PM

JRC

Fox

Everyone dies alone.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:04 PM

WORMY

Both were getting pretty stale.

Futurama was cancelled prematurely though, I'm glad to see they are bringing it back.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM

THECOLLECTOR

Both are at the end of their life span anyway... the writing has run dry and the rag has been rung out... it's one of the reasons why Seinfeld cancelled... if you name a situation the writers could've easily named the show and season that that show aired...

What they aired for like nearly 10 seasons each? That's what I call a successful TV Show..

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:10 PM

20THCENTFOXHATER

All I can say is GOOD. Those shows sucked bigtime, especially Malcolm in the Middle. The early 70's show seasons were OK though. Maybe this goes to show FOX that the shows that they cancel are better than the ones they have on at the moment. Sure they brought back Family Guy, but it isn't the same. Sure, bringing back Futurama will be cool, but we all know those dumb f

s will pre-empt it for football and baseball, AGAIN

. Lets see here, IF Firefly was brought back, what would happen? Perhaps one these scenarios:

1) They screw it up the same way as before
2) They find a NEW way to screw it up
3) Joss Whedon tells them to shove it up their asses (you know, politely)
4) They (FOX) will tell Joss what to do even more so than before
5) It stays faithful to Joss' vision, but nobody watches it (AGAIN), because people, on average are dumb hicks and would rather watch a dumb-dumb show like American Idol, and is cancelled after a few weeks.

OR (in our dreams)

6) It becomes a smash hit, everyone watches it, insanity ensues, and Joss and the gang win every award show for television and it lasts longer than Star Trek did

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"I aim to misbehave."
"Can't do something smart, do something right".

HOMER: "Oh Lisa, you and your stories; Bart is a vampire, beer kills brain cells. Now lets go back to that... building thingy... where our beds and T.V.... is".

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:45 PM

DAX82

I actually really liked "That 80s Show". But of course since I liked it it was cancelled before it ever had a chance.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:58 PM

CYBERSNARK

I'm gonna miss Malcolm. It was one of the few sitcoms I've ever seen that was actually intelligent.

"Burning Man" had almost enough motifs and symbolism to be a Joss product: Hal becoming a parody of "The Man" (and being symbolically destroyed at the festival's climax), Malcolm rebirthing himself right back where he started, Dewey's vindication, Reese and Lois bonding.

I'm just sorry Francis couldn't have been there too.

I especially love Hal's utterly deadpan summation of. . . well, pretty much every human war ever fought ("we make up arbitrary boundaries and fight to the death over them").

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:58 PM

REGINAROADIE

I know. It kinda paved the way for other sit-coms in that they were shot single camera, had no laugh track, went on location instead of being confined to a studio and worked on different levels.

It's interesting to say that it had some Joss characteristics, because my favorite episode of the whole series, and probably the best one was it's version of "The Body", which was an episode called "Health Scare" where Hal and Lois had to wait for the results of his biopsy to come in. And theres this scene in the ep that really shows off the storytelling powers the show has.

Hal has gone into the boys room and is giving this little monologue to the boys, which is probably the most paternal he's ever been towards them. The tragedy of this is, Malcolm and Resse had slipped out earlier to go to a party, so he's essentially only talking to Dewey. Hal then goes over to kiss dummy Reese's head, which is a balloon that pops right next to Hal's head. Hal then begins to scream like a little girl, which wakes Dewey up. Dewey looks over to dummy Malcolm whose head is a Halloween mask and begins screaming as well. To go from the most touching scene in the whole series and then turn on a dime and have the funniest moment a second later is just genius.

And then theres also Francis's comeback line during the fight. "For your information, my mother is a sadistic control freak, AND IT WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO HER TO MAKE ME COCO!!!"

You wanna talk about an Emmy injustice? Hows about Bryan Cranston never winning an Emmy for his role and always losing to fuckin Brad Garrett.

Cybersnark, what are some of your fave episodes?

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:53 PM

CHOLLETT

Hmm....did that article actually ever say that they were cancelled? They might have just decided 7 and 8 seasons was enough. Kinda like Buffy.

Oh well. They had good runs. Never really watched Malcolm myself (except for Reynolds), but i'll miss That 70's Show. I found it increasingly interesting to see if it would last as long as the 70's themselves, and it nearly did. It isn't as good as it used to be, though, but still better than most shows out there.

Firefly season 2!

Although i'm not sure how we'd all feel, and the actors, if we had to suffer through it being cancelled again. Don't know if i wanna risk it, even as good as new eps would inevitably be....

I'm babbling like a moonbrain.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:52 PM

RITAK7

!ooh ooh ooh yeah yeah yeah WONDERFALLS too!

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:49 PM

SHINYTALENT

Soulless Fox Executives LOOK HERE!!!
Also I really love both those shows- but nothing comes close to Firefly, not even getting Arrested Development back would convince me to stop campaining for Firefly!

The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:01 AM

GRUUL

I loved That 70's Show, but the one episode from the post-Topher season I watched was horrible. Did anyone else notice that the character they brought in to replace Eric disappeared only to be replaced by an even new character that was a combo of Eric and Kelso? Now that is lazy writing! What is Ashton Kutcher going to do anyway? If we get Firefly or Futurama back and lose Ashton, I'll kiss a FOX exec.

PS King of the Hill is hilarious because it captures so much of what's funny about Texas, Oklahoma, etc. Peggy always reminds me of my grandma.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:25 AM

NUCKLES87

I liked That 70's Show and Malcolm. There both hilarious. But they've each had solid, long runs. So I don't mind their passing in the least. It'd be great to have Futurama back. But King of the Hill? Meh, never was a fan.

How's my firefly speak? Good? Bad? Fee-oo?

...It's fee-oo isn't it?

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:55 AM

KSC

This just made me think of a Firfly sitcom called "Mal in the Middle"

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:45 AM

MISTERNISHKA

I say we take out our pens and write to FOX to get Firefly back on the air. It worked for Family Guy and now look at Futurama and King of the Hill.

Lets get snappin! Well writing I mean!

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:26 PM

PSOLARIS

Quote:
Originally posted by shinytalent:
Soulless Fox Executives LOOK HERE!!!

Hey shiny...FollowMal, Queeny and I are already flappin our arms! Pick up that Firefly Banner and wave it around like a madwoman (man?) and join us!

Dammit do I hate Fox (Faux)

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:53 PM

SHINYTALENT

I Hate Fox Too!
(Psolaris I am a chick you are spot on there!)
*Stands on Box and waves Banner around like mad-woman
It's a shame we can't stage a boycott of Fox

The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:22 PM

DRPAIN

Quote:
Originally posted by Psolaris:
Quote:
Originally posted by shinytalent:
Soulless Fox Executives LOOK HERE!!!

Hey shiny...FollowMal, Queeny and I are already flappin our arms! Pick up that Firefly Banner and wave it around like a madwoman (man?) and join us!

Dammit do I hate Fox (Faux)

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

Ok I got my banner and am waving it like a madman. Would it be alright if I

at any Fox execs that chose to ignore us? I promise only to wing 'em

.

WWJD: What Would Jayne Do?

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:59 PM

PSOLARIS

Quote:
Originally posted by DRPAIN:
Ok I got my banner and am waving it like a madman. Would it be alright if I at any Fox execs that chose to ignore us? I promise only to wing 'em .

WWJD: What Would Jayne Do?

Only if you promise to use Vera!

Because that's what Jayne would do!!

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:48 PM

DRPAIN

(Dons Jayne hat, chambers a round into Vera, then holds her in classic Jayne pose) SHINY

!!!

Now lets be bad guys & gals.

P.S. Would have replied sooner but The OC came on and I had to watch (yes I'm a straight guy who watches The OC that a problem). Now if you'll excuse me I'll be in my bunk watching the rest of the Firefly series on DVD and also the BDM.

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Friday, January 20, 2006 6:20 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Oh, there's banners???

*drops arms and grabs banner, waves it around in crazy fashion*

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

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