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Will Joss kill off another character in S2?

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:35 PM

GUTTERBALL


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Originally posted by TheIncomparableNotion:
It's also very plausible that Jayne will be killed, probably in a noble way...or betraying the crew in some way, (he's capable of it, you know) but I don't think he would do it a second time.

*shifts uncomfortably*

Can we move this conversation in a "not Jayne's death" direction? It's making me think that Ye Old Heartless Wonder here might be mistaken about that missing organ.

In layman's terms, it's making my chest hurt!

Only slightly more seriously, I hate the idea of any of the crew dying. I mean, Simon's not my favorite, but I still don't want him to die. It would destroy a very important part of River, and as much as I hate to put (yet another) smile on Asarian's face, the BDM/BDS wouldn't be right without her.

The ship may well be what holds this rag-tag group together, but River is what gives them direction. In many, many cases, her being around made the wind blow, and as our illustrious Captain says, "Wind blows northerly, I go north."

Kaylee? No way. We need that genius engineer. Serenity talks to her, but Serenity obviously didn't talk to Bester (a supposedly genius mechanic).

Inara? Possible, but I don't want to think what that would do to Mal, who is also indispensible.

Zoe? God, I hope not. She's already suffered enough. She got through the war. She got through her husband's death. Maybe if it were a quick death, I could deal, but something about her lifestyle tells me she'd fight to the end, and that end would be messy.

Wash and Book were bad enough, folks. Let's not borrow trouble!

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:36 PM

STARRBABY


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Inara has a secret too?


Oh yeah! Check out the comentaries on the FF box set. Joss didn't get a chance to really touch on it, but he talks about it in the comentaries.

Apparently it's hinted at a few times like Inara's physical, something about her mentioning not wanting to die to Simon on OoG .. .Oh! and we can't forget THE SYRENGE!!! (Dum dum DUM)

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:38 PM

RHYIANAN


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Originally posted by asarian:


Inara has a secret too? If so, I don't see it. I mean, she's a whore (Kaylee: the term is 'companion'). But that's hardly a secret.


Watch Out of Gas with the commentary on, you learn that there's an untold "secret" about Inara.

*edit* it looks like someone beat me to it

Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:40 PM

RISEAGAIN


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Inara has a secret too?
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Oh yeah! Check out the comentaries on the FF box set. Joss didn't get a chance to really touch on it, but he talks about it in the comentaries.

Apparently it's hinted at a few times like Inara's physical, something about her mentioning not wanting to die to Simon on OoG .. .Oh! and we can't forget THE SYRENGE!!! (Dum dum DUM)


Well put, that's what lead me to believe Joss intends to get Mal and Inara together. Only to have them ripped apart by Inara's secret.

"Two star crossed lovers." And all that sad stuff.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:40 PM

STARRBABY


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If River got captured by the alliance and went dark side. Who would Simon side with if she went after Mal. Who would we?



You're miakin' my brain hurt.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:43 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Rhyianan:

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Originally posted by asarian:


Inara has a secret too? If so, I don't see it. I mean, she's a whore (Kaylee: the term is 'companion'). But that's hardly a secret.


Watch Out of Gas with the commentary on, you learn that there's an untold "secret" about Inara.



Thanks! I haven't listened to the commentaries yet (remember, I'm only at this for 6 weeks now). And every time I plan to, lol, I just get so emotional, what with River and all, that I just want to see the episode!

But I will. If there's extra stuff to be known, I gotta be in on it! :)


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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:44 PM

RISEAGAIN


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If River got captured by the alliance and went dark side. Who would Simon side with if she went after Mal. Who would we?


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You're miakin' my brain hurt.


I sorry.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:46 PM

HIXIE129


Well I'm starting to now lean in the Jayne direction. Jayne doesn't like Simon because Kaylee likes Simon. Jayne is Jealous, I can see him trying to kill Simon. Then River or Mal or even Simon kills Jayne.


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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:48 PM

STARRBABY


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I sorry.


It's all good .. .I thought about it for a bit, and I decided that in that situation, Mal would bite it.
Simon's obsession with River is borderline creepy, and he has revolved his life around taking care of her. If he actually killed her, that would casue some sort of screwed up anomalie in the verse, and a huge black hole would be created onthe spot .. . they'd all get sucked in and we'd be transported to another demetion where firely never existed, and . . .

Okay, I'm calm now.
Anyway, I think he' kill Mal n that situation.

WHOO HOO! Thread hijcak!

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:50 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by GutterBall:

I mean, Simon's not my favorite, but I still don't want him to die. It would destroy a very important part of River, and as much as I hate to put (yet another) smile on Asarian's face, the BDM/BDS wouldn't be right without her.

The ship may well be what holds this rag-tag group together, but River is what gives them direction. In many, many cases, her being around made the wind blow, and as our illustrious Captain says, "Wind blows northerly, I go north."



As far as winds go, my not having an extra smile, well, that ship has long since sailed! :) Because I'm very, very happy with what you said here! And smiling from ear to ear. :)

LONG LIVE RIVER TAM!


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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:53 PM

GUTTERBALL


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Originally posted by asarian:
As far as winds go, my not having an extra smile, well, that ship has long since sailed! :) Because I'm very, very happy with what you said here! And smiling from ear to ear. :)

LONG LIVE RIVER TAM!

Heh, no worries, A. Glad to serve.

Now, I just have to come up with an equally compelling reason why Jayne can't possibly die. Apparently, the possibility of my questionable heart breaking as a result ain't quite stirrin' the koolaid.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:55 PM

RIVER6213


ummm...is it for certain that there is going to be a Serenity 2, or are all of you getting worked up over nothing?

River


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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:57 PM

STARRBABY


We's just playin', River. Just talking for fun.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:58 PM

GUTTERBALL


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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
ummm...is it for certain that there is going to be a Serenity 2, or are all of you getting worked up over nothing?

Most likely, we're getting worked up over nothing. But with a nothing as big as the possibility of something, why not get worked up?

Heh.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:59 PM

HIXIE129


I am going to have to take exception with the remark about "Simon's obsession with River is borderline creepy" it is not.. it is LOVE. Don't you see it; well anyway I'm sure somebody on this thread can direct you to some fan vids about Simon.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 5:59 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Starrbaby:

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I sorry.


... If he actually killed her, that would casue some sort of screwed up anomalie in the verse, and a huge black hole would be created on the spot ... they'd all get sucked in and we'd be transported to another demetion where firely never existed, and . . .



Haha! :) Yes, let's not kill River; indeed, the whole fabric of the 'verse itself would become unraveled at the seams (or, at least, my world would collapse).

Hair-splittingly funny, btw, how you say we'd go to another "demetion", instead of "dimension", cuz the thought alone is, indeed, a lot closer to tragic space "dementia" than to "dimension". :) lol


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:01 PM

HIXIE129


River I miss you! glad to see you around.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:02 PM

STARRBABY


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Hair-splittingly funny, btw, how you say we'd go to another "demetion", instead of "dimension", cuz the thought alone is, indeed, a lot closer to tragic space "dementia" than to "dimension". :) lol


Y'know, in reality, that was just my crappy spelling and lack of double checking my work .. however, now that you mention it, it is quite funny.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:03 PM

RHYIANAN


Asarian, didn't your mother teach you that it's not nice to make fun of people when they misspell stuff???

*edit* Well it looks like she/he is okay with it, so you're safe

Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:04 PM

RISEAGAIN


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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I still think Inara will get pregnant, she will not tell Mal and she will go off somewhere and have twins. And we will have a movie 20 yrs later


hahahahahaHaHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

*tears in eyes*

So true... If only the first three Star Wars would have been written as well as Firefly/Serenity. I would feel more complete

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:05 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Hixie129:

I am going to have to take exception with the remark about "Simon's obsession with River is borderline creepy" it is not.. it is LOVE. Don't you see it; well anyway I'm sure somebody on this thread can direct you to some fan vids about Simon.



There was the odd comment you made today that had me frown a bit, but this is the truest thing anyone could ever say! What Simon and River have is Love, in point of fact.

Everyone who believes otherwise, please see the "This is my sister" fanvid; or the, also astoundingly beautiful, "Wires" fanvid. Both will keep you crying for days!


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:07 PM

STARRBABY


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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I am going to have to take exception with the remark about "Simon's obsession with River is borderline creepy" it is not.. it is LOVE. Don't you see it; well anyway I'm sure somebody on this thread can direct you to some fan vids about Simon.


Yeah, i figured someone would disagree with me on that one. Wasn't trying to open a can of worms on that one. If I remeber correctly, there was a thread concerning their relationship looooong ago.
I think I just have a distaste for Simon's charecter. (weeee there goes the bad spelling again)
I think it's becasue he embodies all of my negative atributes. (snobishness, uptightness .. .etc.) That's whole other thread in itself though.

Makng a lame attempt at steering the thread back to death:
I think the crew will have to keep a close eye on Zoe to make sure she doesn't get too brave like when they were cornered by reavers. I think she's liable to pull that again.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:07 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Rhyianan:

Asarian, didn't your mother teach you that it's not nice to make fun of people when they misspell stuff???



She said it would be okay if I laughed with them, not at them! :)


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:11 PM

STARRBABY


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Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Asarian, didn't your mother teach you that it's not nice to make fun of people when they misspell stuff???

*edit* Well it looks like she/he is okay with it, so you're safe

Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.


Eh, I used to it . . .belive it or not, I have a degree in English. I just get really excited about what I have to say, and I don't bother trying to spell well.

There's better things ot make fun of me for anyway . . .check out some of my blogs from when i was pregnant for fodder

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:16 PM

RISEAGAIN


Alright the Pistons game is over and now I must head to the bar for merryment and drinking in my never ending quest to meet a girl like Kaylee...

It's been great shooting the go see /sp with you all and I'll be back later to continue.

Hopefull, to tell you my theory that Mal is destined to kill Simon and how easy it would be for Joss to bring it about.

"It always had your name on it, I was just carrying it for you."

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:16 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Starrbaby:

I think I just have a distaste for Simon's charecter. (weeee there goes the bad spelling again) I think it's becasue he embodies all of my negative atributes. (snobishness, uptightness .. .etc.) That's whole other thread in itself though.



You're kidding, right? The man is noble as a grape! But I shall not go into that here. Yeah, let's get this thread back to where it all started: River. :)


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:20 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Starrbaby:

Eh, I used to it . . .belive it or not, I have a degree in English. I just get really excited about what I have to say, and I don't bother trying to spell well.



You understand I was just joking, right? It just seemed such a funny Freudian slip, is all. :) Sorry.


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:21 PM

RIVER6213


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Originally posted by Hixie129:
River I miss you! glad to see you around.


Someone actually missed me and had something good to say about me? I must be either dreaming or drunk or both...you decide, but for whatever its worth...thanks.

I really do hope we get another Serenity movie. It would give all of us something to look forward to in this crazy world.

River

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:24 PM

STARRBABY


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You're kidding, right? The man is noble as a grape! But I shall not go into that here. Yeah, let's get this thread back to where it all started: River. :)


No, I'm not kidding . . I really do dislike Simon. . . .hrm, I take that back. I liked him much more in the BDM than the series. It's funny what characters peolpe like and dislike.

Ex: I have a guy friend who HATES Inara. She reminds him of a bitchy ex-girlfriend of his.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:26 PM

STARRBABY


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You understand I was just joking, right? It just seemed such a funny Freudian slip, is all. :) Sorry.


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NO!! DOn't say you're sorry!!!!! You weren't mean. It was a bloomin' joke. I agree it was funny. . . and I only wish I were clever enough to have done it intentionally.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:28 PM

HIXIE129


Yes someone DID miss you I certainly did., and I have nothing but good things to say about you.. I listened to joss's broadcast on UK radio and again he repeated that nobody is calling him about a movie or a TV show. I don't feel good about it. But I am always a half glass empty type of person.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:29 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Starrbaby:

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You're kidding, right? The man is noble as a grape! But I shall not go into that here. Yeah, let's get this thread back to where it all started: River. :)


No, I'm not kidding . . I really do dislike Simon. . . .hrm, I take that back. I liked him much more in the BDM than the series. It's funny what characters peolpe like and dislike.



Oh, you really do dislike him. :( wow

I admit, though, that I cannot look at him really objective. Besides, me identifying with Simon, when watching FireFly, makes him an excellent 'catalyst' for my loving River that extra mile. :)


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:33 PM

RIVER6213


I don't dislike Simon, but he reminds me of my real brother and the character gets under my skin from time to time for that reason alone.

My brother's is named Bishop, but he acts all concerned all the time and it makes you want to either hug him (which I dont do) or slap him. Last time he was trying to be all concerned with me, I slapped him so hard it sounded like a shotgun went off in the room. That was a good day.

River

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:34 PM

STARRBABY


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Oh, you really do dislike him. :( wow

I admit, though, that I cannot look at him really objective. Besides, me identifying with Simon, when watching FireFly, makes him an excellent 'catalyst' for my loving River that extra mile. :)


See, that's cool, because you and I like and dislike different characters for different reasons. Yet, we are of the same fandom.


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:37 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I really do hope we get another Serenity movie. It would give all of us something to look forward to in this crazy world.

River


I'm glad you said that, about us having something to look forward to; because it means YOU have something to look forward to as well. :) And I'm glad to hear you say that!

And I, too, am happy you're still among us.


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:37 PM

STARRBABY


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I don't dislike Simon, but he reminds me of my real brother and the character gets under my skin from time to time for that reason alone.

My brother's is named Bishop, but he acts all concerned all the time and it makes you want to either hug him (which I dont do) or slap him. Last time he was trying to be all concerned with me, I slapped him so hard it sounded like a shotgun went off in the room. That was a good day.

River



Bwah ha ha ha ha . . .great way to end my time on the site for the night. You bust me up.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:41 PM

ASARIAN


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Originally posted by Starrbaby:

See, that's cool, because you and I like and dislike different characters for different reasons. Yet, we are of the same fandom.



Yes, we are. :) And there's enough quality in the show for each of us to have his or her own character preferences, and still all have our fill. :)


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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:43 PM

HIXIE129


It just goes to show that everybody has good days once in awhile.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:46 PM

RIVER6213


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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I really do hope we get another Serenity movie. It would give all of us something to look forward to in this crazy world.

River


I'm glad you said that, about us having something to look forward to; because it means YOU have something to look forward to as well. :) And I'm glad to hear you say that!

And I, too, am happy you're still among us.


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WoW! another person who missed me! I must be crazier than I thought. Thank you for that!

River

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Friday, February 24, 2006 6:55 PM

HIXIE129


River, you shouldn't be surprised that people like you. You are very likeable. You make an IMPACT.

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Friday, February 24, 2006 7:35 PM

DOG13000


I aint reading through this hole thing, so I'll take a guess nobodies mentioned this yet. (When I searched for "drama" nothing came up)

Joss killed off Book because he just aint needed any more.

He killed Wash for dramatic effect. Might not have been the BEST way to do it, but he did it. Joss wanted to put a scare in our hearts, and take out that sense of "Movie ending! Yay! The crew will kick their asses and live to see another mighty adventure!" He wanted it seem that big, big enough that anyone could die at any time. This was the most important thing in the 'verse, well, ever.

Joss writes real. He writes what would be the probable thing to happen in a situation, not the fake one that everyone wants to see. As he puts it, "Where else are you going to see someone shoot a horse?" If Joss feels it necessary to kill off another protagonist, so be it.

~My THREE cents,
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Friday, February 24, 2006 8:59 PM

NOSADSEVEN


ASARIAN, the commentaries are very, very good. Remember these two words (three? does a contraction count as one word or two?): "I'm BUSY!"

As for the topic at hand... my astute analysis:

Jayne'll outlive 'em all.

Inara's toast.

Zoe won't die cuz she'd never leave Mal (especially not after Inara bites it).

Joss loves pain, and Jayne's death would come up short on that count (though I could see him leaving). Inara and Mal's (lack of) relationship has always been painful, but that seems to be resolving itself into something less painful - potentially happy, even; Mal losing Inara would then be crushingly painful. Zoe's already in pain, and we haven't had a chance to see how she copes. In light of Mal and Inara's happiness, I could see her thinking of letting go, but after Mal's loss of Inara she would find her resolve in his need. River's life is pain. I see her potentially finding some peace with Mal, post-Inara. Simon and Kaylee? Either one could go, but neither need to. I'm sure a relationship as rocky as their courtship could be painful enough for everyone.

'Course, maybe Joss'll just kill 'em all. All except Mal. Mal is the 'Verse's designated recipient of all pain. It's just something about his eyes...

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Friday, February 24, 2006 9:09 PM

DINKY


You people are way too eager for Serenity 2. Calm down and wait for official word.

But we all KNOW that the 'verse aint over, just like Earth CAN'T be the only inhabital planet in the universe. Not like we'll ever get to one (thank's to the oh so true theories of Einstein, we know it's not impossible, just impossible for us idiots to travel to the next star).

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I volunteer "Simon", his prissiness disturbs my calm.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee


HAHAHAHHA!! I agree, but I would keep Simon and the others if we could bare. I mean who else would help beau--- eghem err River .

Maybe he should die trying or something, or get captured by the alliance and like suffer a tortue 'till he dies of shock. Now that would be fun to watch.

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

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Friday, February 24, 2006 9:16 PM

FREEBAGEL


Serenity 2? Did I miss some big announcement here? Last I heard it wasn't looking great for a sequel...

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Friday, February 24, 2006 9:33 PM

DINKY


Quote:
Originally posted by FreeBaGeL:
Serenity 2? Did I miss some big announcement here? Last I heard it wasn't looking great for a sequel...


I don't think anyone has said anything about it looking bad for a sequel... That I know of.

It's possible, I saw on a forum post some guy had a bunch of sources (that were linked from the forum post) that said that the movie profited Universal.

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

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Friday, February 24, 2006 11:17 PM

CANTONHEROINE


Joss is always willing to kill characters. It's a proven fact. As for our beloved crew:

ZOE: Do you really think any of us are gonna get through this?

JAYNE: I might.

See, there you have it. Everyone dies but Jayne. Just 'cause he's my favourite (also probably because the lowest common denominator always survives and Jayne's often perceived as being cockroach-like).

Seriously, anyone is fair game. More than likely there will be someone new on board who'll take the hit.

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"Now somethin' about that is just downright unsettlin'."

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Friday, February 24, 2006 11:29 PM

EYESDRIEDOPEN


I loved Wash.

Joss please put out one of your shoes.




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Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:18 AM

HIXIE129


Maybe River gets turned into a Reaver and then organizes them together. She leads an attack against the Alliance. Mal and the rest of the crew join the battle and Mal gets his revenge. It's just a little difficult to see River's face all cut up, mutilated, paper clips and needles sticking out of River's face (sorry asarian).



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Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:03 AM

BROWNCOATRECRUITER



This quote cortesy of OldFogey's earlier statement:

If they're going to add new characters, I vote for some Asian crew. Where are the Chinese guys? It would be fun to see... oh, not Andy Lau. He's almost as pretty as Mal. Wait - that would be a good thing. Yeah. Andy Lau.




I completely agree with the Andy Lau sentiment! That would be sweet! Have any of you seen "Fulltime Killer"? Great movie!

Anyway, if anybody has to die it would be the 10th crew member, our beloved boat Serenity, a-la Star Trek 3 (is that the right one?). A move like this would be highly dramatic, affect and crush every member of the crew as well as the fan base and force major creative changes within the show/movies dynamics and yet it could still be brought back without having to evoke any evil spirits or anything. Am I right? Of course, I wouldn't WANT to see anything happen to our lovely home but imagine the impact a move like that would have. Then, imagine if one of the other crew members were on board when she went down! What a way to go! I can't imagine any better way to die, if I had to pick a way that is. Either way, talk about some high drama.

"...there's a whole universe of folk who are gonna know it too. They're gonna see it. Somebody has to speak for these people." -Mal

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Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:59 AM

RAGUA


Obviously, I hope Joss won't kill anyone off in the next installment of the show, but if he does, it'll be someone we don't expect.

After watching the series a billion times, I get the impression that he always planned on killing Wash at some point. There are so many references to the potential for Zoe dying that I think it was a deliberate mislead.

Jayne won't get killed for the same reason. He has the highest probability for dying, given his position in most of the heists, and for that reason, he won't be killed.

Simon is the obvious choice to be offed, since it would seem that he has little or no purpose now that River isn't nutso anymore. But I suspect that he will live because he's the obvious choice to die.

I hate to scare off the River-lovers, but I see the greatest potential for her to go. Now that her secrets have been revealed, she isn't as necessary to future plots. Plus, her going will create great angst for everyone else, particularly Simon, who will lack purpose without his sister.

Actually, it could even go the way of the earlier discussion: someone on the crew—maybe enen Simon himself—killing her out of necessity and/or kindness. Kinda like a futuristive version of "Of Mice and Men."

Then again, I could just be talkin' outta my ass. ;-)

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