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Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:00 PM

To continue an old thread, long lost...
What Browncoat martial Arts people do we have here?
Like the man said to Lee: "Whatsh your schtyle?"

I studied Wing Chun, Okinawan Kempo, Aikido, Jeet Kune Do, Praying Mantis, and Tai Kwon Do.
My main style is Wing Chun, with a heavy Tai Chi influence (Summer appears to be doing some Combat Tai Chi in Serenity, along with some Wushu thrown in...).

So, styles? Real life fight stories? MA observations on Serenity, Angel, or Buffy?

Kwi-Changisall

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:02 PM

Impressive! I've been studying Shotokan karate for around 8 or so years now, and am a second degree brownbelt, just a few tests away from blackbelt (I'm 17). It's a Japanese style, and we don't use any kind of weapons or anything, but it's a powerful style that I really enjoy doing. When I get my blackbelt, I plan on studying different styles. I really love sparring, though yesterday in class we had to fight our senseis, and one of the younger ones punched me really really hard in the stomach, twice, then kicked me in the ribs. Hard. Ouch! I've also gotten some kid's toe in my eye when he was aiming for my head and got lazy

Oh, well. Even though I get the wind knocked out of me sometimes, I'm the last one to quit. (maybe because I'm such a stubborn ass sometimes!)
Also, I was very impressed with Summer's fighting skill in Serenity. That's some tough stuff! My friends were like "Hey, don't you do something like that, Sara?"
What other stories do everyone else have?

*~*~
Summer's response to Nathan getting his very own action figure:
"I tried to pull his head off."

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:27 PM

RiverGoddess, you go girl!
Shotokan is cool, I've sparred with (playfully) a student of that style in a Jeet Kune Do class.

Short MA story: I was always a kicker. Growing up seeing Bill 'Superfoot' Wallace literally kick his way to fame had me thinkin' "That's the way to go!"
So I developed my kicking so's I could hit from any angle, and almost any range. But then once I got tied up in a Junior High fight in a doorway, and couldn't kick. He was a wrestler, and tried to take me down. I slipped his headlock (some luck was involved), and reversed it, ramming his head into a brick wall twice. End of fight. But it showed me my strength of kicking could sometimes be a limitation.
Some years later (an understatement), I sought out styles that used hands and feet equally, and Wing Chun nicely gave me whatever expertise I now have above the waist.

*bows*

Kung-Fu fighting Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:44 PM

I've been into martial arts since as far back as i can remember in one form or another. Got very serious about it for a while when i was in high school. I did tons of research on all aspects of martial arts, fitness, and related subjects and for a short while i had some regular people i trained with/taught. It all came very naturally to me as far as understanding what would and wouldn't work and why.

For a whole buncha different reason i eventually stopped practicing. I still have huge amounts of research material and stacks and stacks of notebooks and i even still research some now and then but i no longer am physically capable of proving any of my theories.

I usually don't talk much about it. Martial arts discussions can be as bad as arguing about religion sometimes. I just don't have time for it anymore but browncoats are always pretty cool so i figured i'd share a bit more than normal

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:21 PM

Ni Haozit, fellow BC MAers...
I first got into Chinese arts from watching ol' Kwai-Chang "I...wish no trouble" Caine when in my mid-teens. Now some 30 years later, I've studied southern Shaolin Hung Gar [tiger/crane] got to study / live with my sifu Fred Lee for about a year. He learned from Buck Sam Kong [Lum Jo / Lam Sai Wing branch] then I did about 3 years in a Chinese Shao-lin Center school - really comprehensive school -- made it to 3rd brown 'fore I relocated. Then I found a really good Taiji sifu from PRC who taught me the Wu-Chen-Yang 48. Learned the 8-piece brocade in Maui [lived there 4 years 96-2000]. Tonight, in fact, gonna meet up with a friend who videoed my taiji form so I can have it to review. Been doing more of the internal styles since the body ain't a spry as it used to be. [called me Snake in my 20s cuz I could do the side splits to the ground.] But now I mostly do the taiji / qigong thing, plus practicing punching metal, cement walls, poles, etc. Hung Gar teaches nice body conditioning exercises, arm banging, etc.
I've tried some Japanese/Korean stuff, but my heart's been won by the Shaolin / Taiji thing.
Been considering moving to Vegas for family-related reasons [sister & a nephew -- want to get him started in gungfu] plus there's a CSC school there. Gotta get back into the group class routine. Really miss it.
The gungfu thing is what got me into Chinese language, art, philosophy, history, etc.
Anyway, that's the wrap-up on my MA history.
[deep bow]
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Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:31 PM

I'm a wheelchair bound paraplegic so, mostly adapted Akido, and possibly some others that I'm unsure of. All of my training was informal, in a disabled self-defense class.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaze:

I usually don't talk much about it. Martial arts discussions can be as bad as arguing about religion sometimes.

Arguing 'The Way' is like religion or politics, and Bruce Lee showed me that 'The Way' is like life: ever fluid and always adaptable.
Peace, my fellow MA Browncoat.

Fighting without fighting Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAGhaffar:
Gotta get back into the group class routine. Really miss it.

Know what you mean, since moving to Massachusetts, my sparring has been put on hold. No Chinese Gungfu here, all straight up punch and kick; dying for some ying/yang movement.

When the opponent expands, I contract Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:
mostly adapted Akido, and possibly some others that I'm unsure of.

As I get older, I realize that real Martial Arts is about perception and harmony of motion, and not strength or agression. That's for Boxers.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:25 PM

In what part of Massachusetts do you live? I used to know a guy who taught wing chun and some other martial arts, had a good mix going. He may still be around i could dig up his info for you if you're close enough.

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:01 PM

Great minds Chris, I was thinking of starting something like this but I kept forgetting (okay maybe my mind ain't that great)...

Nam Yang ('South Seas') Kung Fu, Tang Soo Do (grew from Hwang Kwon Do, the same martial art Tai Kwon Do grew from), Judo, Kaibudokahn, Jeet Kune Do, Akido.

I tend to think of Martial Arts as Control, yourself, your opponent and your actions.

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Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:45 PM

To add to the thread here,
practice Kendo and Iaido. Kendo is Japanese fencing and Iaido is how to draw, cut, and resheath the blade. Also basic Aikido class while going to college in Japan. Its funny how screwed up Martial Arts classes can get here in the States. Have heard of a couple here in Idaho. One guy near Ontario,OR was teaching what he was calling Kendu, a really screwed up version of kendo basically focusing on how to beat up some one w/ a shinai. If you have to use violance, then you have already lossed!!! 2nd the more strikes you have to make you lose again. Some time I will post up a picture of my Iai tou (Iaido katana) --- Operative eat your heart out, lol

My high school in Japan that I went to first time over, was the strongest ranked for Naginata on the island. Well hope that helps
mata, Ookami yori
Kendo to Iaido --- 1 mind, 1 strike, & 1 voice

I ain't disagreen, I only wanted another drink!!!

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Monday, March 27, 2006 3:13 AM

I studied "Sang Yu", under Adley Nitska", and I would love to meet the real you.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

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Monday, March 27, 2006 3:23 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I have been practicing the martial arts for just shy of 20 years. I have taken Aikido, Shotokan, and Jeet Kune Do. I also got a two week crash course in Jiu Jitsu when I was in the Rangers. I have blended all of these into a fighting style of my own, that works very well for me.

I have not had to actually fight someone in years, and hope never to have to, but I keep training so I am ready if I ever need it.

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"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Monday, March 27, 2006 3:31 AM

I've watched every episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. A lot.

And I once beat my little brother at Tekken 2. I think I was playing as Yoshimitsu (sp?). He did this really cool sword thing.

Okay, I have ~no~ martial arts training. None. Whatsoever. The reason I posted is because I'd like to know what type of martial arts would suit a beginner, and what (if anything) I should try before I even think of starting a martial arts class - given that I'm not incredibly fit and have a complete and total lack of hand eye coordination.

I've heard of a self defense style derived from Martial Arts that I ~think~ was called Krav Maga, which is supposed to be very intuitive and good for beginners. Has anyone heard of it? Any advice? I'd really like to give something like this a go. It was one of my new year's resolutions this year :)

Simple stuff is fine. Not looking to become a kick boxing champ or break bricks with my hands or anything. Just looking for an interesting way to get fit, and get some defense skills too!

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:11 AM

Well, back in the original thread I related my experience with a physical intervention training that stole a lot of pieces from jui jitsu and classic wrestling. I started learning while working with the mentally retarded and eventually moved to working with the mentally ill on a locked hospital ward.

For a while there was a real situation every day. I worked with adult males who were long term institutionalized. I had three patients who were Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity for murder on the ward at the same time.

Fun times.

Right now I've gotten back into martial arts but for reasons stated above I have no desire to participate in a "hard" style. I don't need to spar, nothing to prove. I've done seen that elephant.

I've just started taking formal lessons in Yang family Tai Chi. Very different and from prior experience I can see how it would be very effective in self defense. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the slow, graceful movement "exercise" form. Watching advanced students work with the weapon forms however is a whole different art.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaze:
In what part of Massachusetts do you live?

Western. I used to live near NYC, plenty of choice around there.

Kung Pow Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

Nam Yang ('South Seas') Kung Fu, Tang Soo Do (grew from Hwang Kwon Do, the same martial art Tai Kwon Do grew from), Judo, Kaibudokahn, Jeet Kune Do, Akido.

Very diverse, Grasshopper. Have you ever had to use your skill in RL (say, like during a football riot

)?

Hyahh Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:21 AM

In a real fight the best advice i can say for a beginner is to kick them in the shins, poke them in the eyes and run away real fast. If you want to get in shape and learn some self defense then i recommend boxing as the safest bet.

Absolutely do not get into any aerobic martial arts training of any kind unless you only want to get in shape. Reason being it will make you tired and when you practice tired you tend to get sloppy and it tends to become a habit.

The reason i recommended boxing is because most places that teach it have sparring so they are preparing you for an actual combative situation. This usually involves getting in shape and learning good fighting stuff. You never have to spar if you don't want to but the training will definately get you in good shape and will somewhat better prepare for if anything were to happen.

Just don't forget the shin kick and eye poke if you're in real danger. It's almost always best to run away as soon as it's a solid option. No matter how good a person is they can be caught off guard or or face an unfamiliar situation or the attacker could be simply better armed and/or in a better position

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ookamikawahara:
Its funny how screwed up Martial Arts classes can get here in the States.

My Aikido teacher studied in Japan; he said the way most teach MA in the States is very 'girly', or unfocused.
My Okinawan Kempo teacher was FROM Okinawa, and he used to whip us with a metal curtain rod when our form was poor. Our form was generally not poor

.

Thank you sir, may I have another Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:23 AM

Ahh, wrong end of Massachusetts, heh. Best of luck to you though

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
I studied "Sang Yu", under Adley Nitska", and I would love to meet the real you.

Drop and give me...infinity!

No mercy Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I have not had to actually fight someone in years, and hope never to have to, but I keep training so I am ready if I ever need it.

*bows*

Kindred spirit Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

Just looking for an interesting way to get fit, and get some defense skills too!

Styles are just styles; the teacher is key. Observe a class of anything, and see if the teacher seems into it, and if most of the students seem to move well. A good Shotokan Karate class, or some sort of Kempo might work well for you. Judo might also be fun, if rolling doesn't bother ya.

360 Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:

I've just started taking formal lessons in Yang family Tai Chi. Very different and from prior experience I can see how it would be very effective in self defense.

I have books on Tai Chi, and my best friend is a teacher. It works if ya work it (Damn, he's hard to tag!). The Kung Fu TV show was mostly Tai Chi (mixed with Shaolin Long Fist, I believe), first season fights in particular were actually very good (just not exciting in that Enter the Dragon-like way).

Chrisisall Caine

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaze:
Ahh, wrong end of Massachusetts, heh. Best of luck to you though

Thanks, 'Jayne'.

Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:47 AM

Thanks for the info, Chrisisall. I'll definately take that advice.

As for real life fighting, I've discovered an advantage to carrying a very heavy book around with you. Turns out the entire Microsoft Office Specialist study guide in a shoulder bag is a surprisingly effective weapon when an angry drunk starts to get threatening.

I knew Microsoft had to be good for something

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

I knew Microsoft had to be good for something

The world is your weapon; watch any good Jackie Chan flick.

Chan's the man Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 5:01 AM

Actually, I took my inspiration from a Buffy episode.

Lessons, to be exact.

I have watched a lot of Jackie Chan though. You just can't beat curling up on the sofa with a bowl of popcorn while watching "Who am I?"

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Monday, March 27, 2006 5:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

You just can't beat curling up on the sofa with a bowl of popcorn while watching "Who am I?"

MY FAVOURITE JACKIE FILM!!!! Amazing final rooftop fight!

I could make a list of my other favourites, but a list of Chan's films that are not favourites would be shorter.

I even liked Tuxedo Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 5:08 AM

It's cool that so many browncoats here are into martial arts. I'm not myself (I'm struggling to make myself run on the treadmill every other day), but my husband (also a browncoat, though not as obsessive as me)is actually currently studying with ARMA, which is the Association for Renaissance Martial Arts. They study the European medieval combat (the real stuff you'd use in warfare, not like fencing or anything). They use the old training texts, translated of course, because most of them are in old german. Anyway, he's having tons of fun with it.

It's nice for me because I write medieval fantasy novels with lots of battle scenes, and he can let me know what's actually accurate, and whats too "Hollywood".

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Monday, March 27, 2006 5:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by meimeimeg:

It's nice for me because I write medieval fantasy novels with lots of battle scenes, and he can let me know what's actually accurate, and whats too "Hollywood".

Did you see the first 'clan' encounter in 'Highlander'?

Too real Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 6:02 AM

I've only seen bits and pieces of Highlander. I remember some kind of lame fight in a high tower that was crumbling. It didn't impress me enough to want to watch the whole thing. Is the movie good, though?

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Monday, March 27, 2006 6:06 AM

Does Smackdown Fu count?

I, like many other early 20's pasty-white geeks, have no style :)

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Monday, March 27, 2006 6:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by meimeimeg:
I remember some kind of lame fight in a high tower that was crumbling. It didn't impress me enough to want to watch the whole thing. Is the movie good, though?

The fight scenes were clumbsy, especially by today's standards, but dramatically, the movie was awsome. The 'clan' encounter I referred to was actually very realistic, and sort of repulsive (as real fighting is).
Worth a look.

But then, I own it Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 6:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by GazerBeam:

I, like many other early 20's pasty-white geeks, have no style :)

Get some style, son, so that you may transend it; then get back to me

.

Rude Chrisisall

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Monday, March 27, 2006 12:04 PM

No martial arts experience here, but I love hearing about all of you who do.

Hope now that this is back to the front page that there will be more posts.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Monday, March 27, 2006 2:17 PM

BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Rivergoddess -
Hey Kohai. Unless of course you've advanced since that first post. I'm a Shodan (First Degree Black Belt) in Shotokan style Karate. I've been studying for eight years, and I hope to continue. I also want to study Ninjiutsu if I can, along with Kendo and Aikido.

If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.

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Monday, March 27, 2006 4:37 PM

7 years Chinese Kenpo, with Maui Thai and Brazilian Jujitsu thrown in the mix. done a lot of contact sparring, a little knight/sword fighting and a lot of shooting.

No power in the 'verse can stop me

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Monday, March 27, 2006 10:55 PM

Depends on what your interested in and what is near you Desktophippie !!! I personally would recommend any one of the traditional marital arts so here goes ones from Japan: Kendo, Judo, Karate, Aikido, Kyudo (archery), naginata (altough I have never heard of this being taught in U.S.), Iaido, and Kenpo. Would have to do some research to find which are traditional Chinese martial art schools/styles. As to judging whether a Dojo is right or not, here are the 3 things you should look at, 1. Is the dojo affilated with a regional or international orginzation for promoting the specific Martial Art?, 2. Does the Sensei (Teacher) and students seem really interested in the martial art and will give you good training? 3. Does this Type of Martial Art inspire yourself to commit the time, money /and does it help improve you as an individual? So hope this helps you and that you can find something that works. Oh, for anyone interested the school of Iaido, that my dojo practices is Muso Shinden Ryu- one of the more well known Iaido schools.
mata, Ookami yori

The mirror reflects yourself, the blade slices away the bad parts of yourself, the stones in the tumbler help to polish yourself, that is the way of Kendo and Iaido!!!

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:56 AM

Started Tae Kwon Do training when I was 14 (1971). That being the only martial arts available to white folk in this part of the country then. Have had many instructors over the years all primarily TKD. My best instructor taught a variety of styles. So besides TKD I've picked up a lot of Judo, Kung fu, Aikido and weapons training. Martial arts is a blast and the only form of exercise that holds my interest. So whenever I feel it's time to do something about the love handles, it's off to the dojo again.
Anyway, I've chopped 'til I dropped (off & on) for 34 years now.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arclight:
Started Tae Kwon Do training when I was 14 (1971).

Okay, you got me beat. I only been in it since '74 (though I used to pretend to kick during The Green Hornet...

).

Kato Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:39 AM

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Originally posted by ChrisIsAll:
Very diverse, Grasshopper. Have you ever had to use your skill in RL (say, like during a football riot)?

Not really. Some guy jumped a friend of mine one night when we were drunk, I grabed him and knocked him on his arse, then his mate wrapped a metal bar round my head...

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:54 AM

Krav Maga.

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:30 AM

Well, since this thread got dragged back to the front page...

I studied Juijitsu and Tae Kwon Do for a few years a while back. More recently (after moving) I joined a Kuk Sool Won school, and learned quite a few things. The first was that I was more interested in the people and the environment than a particular style or approach. The second (important) one that I picked up on was that it really doesn't matter what system you're in, it's how well you understand what you're trying to do and what your opponent is trying to do. If you understand both very well, then you should be able to mitigate the greatest amount of your threat. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, it's best to not get in a fight, and second best to get away from a fight as quickly as safely possible.

My particular school (and the school owned by my teacher's instructor) left the World Kuk Sool Won Association almost a year ago. Most of the curriculum is the same as what was taught in KSW twenty years ago (it got watered down a lot in recent years), and added some things that round the system out very well.

Amiton.

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:41 AM

Just some shameless selfpromotion, but finally got my Iai tou (practice blade for Iaido) picture up in the Bluesun forum. So anyone interested please check it out. Otherwise enjoy and I will talk with everyone later.
mata, Ookami yori

slow, slow, slow, and slow --- 1 strike = Iaido

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Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:48 PM

It's always great to meet some fellow martial artists ^^

Currently I take Aikido and Capoeira, and i'm planning to join a Judo club by the end of the year. Needless to say, it's going to be very busy!

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Friday, March 31, 2006 3:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
then his mate wrapped a metal bar round my head...

...AND....

Didja live

Chrisisall

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Friday, March 31, 2006 5:13 AM

I practice Yang Short Form (Cheng Man Ching lineage Tai Chi,) and have been studying and teaching rapier fencing for almost 20 years. Not really martial arts, more mayhem and fun, but I'm also pretty into full-contact LARPs and scenario airsoft/paintball.

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Friday, March 31, 2006 7:13 AM

Quote:
...AND....

Didja live Chrisisall

No, this is Zombie Citizen...

CitizenIsAfter Your Braaaaiiiinsssss!

Or I woke up in a pool of my own blood, I forget, things a little hazy...

Though I did have some rather fetching bruises, like the one that was shapped like the letters AAH on the side of my face that was left exposed when I dropped.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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