reverse Joss engineering by Gelassenheit

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reverse Joss engineering

POSTED BY: GELASSENHEIT
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 17:47
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Friday, April 28, 2006 5:19 PM

So, I never watched a Joss Whedon show/movie until Firefly, and just recently someone borrowed me the BtVS season one DVDs.

I never watched Buffy before, probably for that awful title (Joss never seems to get them quite right!) but I was really amazed about what a good show it is turning out to be.

I've heard of so many people who have done just the opposite: have seen Buffy and Angel and Joss's other things THEN they got into Firefly.

Got me to thinking about how many people out there knew Buffy and co., then Firefly and how many people knew Firefly then the rest of the Jossverse?

Gelassenheit means Serenity

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Friday, April 28, 2006 5:28 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Buffy was and is arguably one of the best written shows on TV - as is Firefly. I recently read how Buffy was a flop and had few viewers - yeah in the USA! Those people fail to count all the other shiny countries.

I reccommend you get Angel too - its all Shiny Shiny Joss work!

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Friday, April 28, 2006 5:59 PM

RMMC

I was a Buffy first, then Angel, then Firefly. I love all three shows, but its our BDH that seem to have considerably more...depth to them I guess you'd say. At least, they do to me.

And actually for me, I watched Buffy the first time because of the title. I figured anything with a title that giggle-worthy, was worth an hour of my time to check out.

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RMMC

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Friday, April 28, 2006 6:02 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

giggle worthy

excellent use of the descriptive! Shiny!

One summer.
One mission.
One army of Browncoats.

And a bunch of Rings that make Shiny people do silly things!

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave!

Nathan doesn't know it yet, but I am his one true love! Is that weird?
(he will believe, he will believe)

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:56 AM

SERENITYSLITTLEANGEL

I watched Buffy from the first episode when it first aired over here in the UK. I was eight. It probably scarred me for life, but I don't care.

I'm a fairly new Browncoat, despite having seen the series about two and a half years ago. I became hooked, but wasn't able to find it on DVD, so I gradually forgot about it. I will be forever grateful to my strangely Firefly obsessed best friend for re-introducing me to the fandom last autumn - just in time for the BDM!!!

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20 conversions and counting!!!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:58 AM

WHOISRIVER

Yeah, Buffy hooked me on the BBC when it first aired - November 1998 (!).

I picked up Firefly from the first day it aired in the USA, downloading the episodes.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:59 AM

CYBERSNARK

I was a Buffyfan before putting on my 'coat.

I saw someone do a breakdown of the title once, illustrating how perfectly appropriate it was:

Buffy - Sounds faintly silly, suggecting the comedy and Valley Girl sensibility.

Vampire - Evokes gothic horror and sexuality, and with demonic undertones.

Slayer - Suggesting the violence, but also evoking the idea of a mythical hero (they're called "Dragon Slayers," not "Dragon Hunters").

The - Joss' inability to count.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:04 AM

PERSEPHONE736

I started watching Buffy first, about seven(?) years ago but only saw a few episodes. I got back into it a few years later when they started showing reruns on a channel that I actually got. I then got hooked on Angel. I saw Serenity this past January and within days was hooked on Firefly, and it remains my absolute favorite Joss creation

Link to current Firefly Fit Club weekly thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=20090
Link to original Firefly Fit Club thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=18971

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 7:54 AM

EVILDINOSAUR

yep, I was a buffy addict long before I'd heard of firefly, I watched all of buffy and angel first, then I discovered firefly.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:24 AM

HEB

As far as I recall, Joss made the title deliberately bad and 80s. His intention was that if you weren't cool enough to get over the title you weren't cool enough to watch his show.

"He says he gave the show a ridiculous name because if people couldn't get past it, he didn't want them watching. If viewers could accept the ironic name and the incongruous plot (about a California girl hunting vampires), Whedon figured, they must have the ironic sensibilities and openness needed to get what he was doing."

(taken from http://www.ctlibrary.com/bc/2004/mayjun/7.26.html)

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Well, my sister's a ship... we had a
complicated childhood
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I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:40 AM

NUCLEARDAY

I suppose I came by Firefly first. I knew about Buffy and Angel, but had only ever caught one or two episodes prior.

Still meaning to catch up on those two, I come by the re-runs all the time, but it's always something a couple seasons into the show and it's one of those things where I don't really know what's going on, having missed alot of the earlier shows.

Did really like the "musical" Buffy episode, though :)

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:11 AM

ARCADIA

I got into Buffy way back in the day... yep, I'm talking about the horrible, horrible movie. My mom LOVED it (she loves teen movies) so I've had a copy of it in the house since I was six years old. Me and my sister watched it ridiculously too much.

So, you can imagine how mystical and magical it was when the series started.

Didn't get as much into Angel (partly because they killed off my favorite character in season one -- on the other hand, it did give the show so much depth, make it better), especially the last season, but what I hear about it makes me want to save my money.

I had heard about Firefly when it was airing, but never managed to catch it. Thank god they aired it on scifi this summer. Of all of his shows, this is the one I am most obsessed with (and given my deep love for Buffy, this is something).

Okay, now I ramble...

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"Objects in Space"

River: It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think...
http://www.stillflying.net/ <-- Check it out!

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:28 AM

SEBA

Honestly, I hate Buffy and Angel. If it weren't for Firefly, I'd have absolutely no interest in Joss Whedon whatsoever. Firefly was really something special, something that transcended Joss, a product of love from so many people involved in it...he just got it going. So, generally speaking, I'm not a fan of Joss Whedon. I am however, a firefly fan.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:32 AM

FOLLOWMAL

I came to love all things Joss by watching Firefly first. Fell in love with it ( well, Mal and it!) when it aired on SciFi before the BDM came out. I love the way Joss makes us love these people and then the people he chooses to be the people... OMG, good!

But I recently watched a couple of the Buffy eps to see Nathan Fillion in them.. made me intrigued.
So I put Buffy in my Netflix rotation.. and I'm more than willing to be openminded to some more Joss!

Next up.... Angel.

But Mal and Firefly will always be my first love.

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:52 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by Arcadia:
I got into Buffy way back in the day... yep, I'm talking about the horrible, horrible movie. My mom LOVED it (she loves teen movies) so I've had a copy of it in the house since I was six years old. Me and my sister watched it ridiculously too much.

*sigh of relief*

Shiny. I thought I was the only one.

I still haven't seen Buffy or Angel. After seeing the movie, I thought the show (being more serious) wouldn't be as good. I am tempted to see Angel, though. Since I watch David Borenaz in Bones, I thought it wouldn't hurt to give his alma mater a try.

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:23 PM

WHOISRIVER

The TV series of Buffy is infinitely better than the Buffy movie, Deepgirl.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:34 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
The TV series of Buffy is infinitely better than the Buffy movie, Deepgirl.

That's what I've heard. If anything, I would see it just for the episodes that have our BDM's in them.

At last.
We can retire and give up
this life of crime.

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:42 PM

ZISKER

I actually started off with "Toy Story" ;) for which he got writing credits.

Then in high school I watched Buffy but I wasn't overly obsessed with it - I just made sure I caught it every week. Around Season 4 I tuned out. I never watched Angel and I missed Firefly the first time around due to college applications. I think Firefly is the best, though.

One day.
One plan.
One army of Browncoats.

On June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.
http://www.serenityday.org/

Little or no free time, but want to help?
Help Spread the Signal: http://www.geocities.com/browncoatsignalcorps

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Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:21 PM

VOLK564

I actually watched like, 2 or 3 seasons of buffy over the course of 2 weeks (way before FF was even aired) - I was visiting my brother in San Fran, and his roomate's a huge fan, so while my bro was at work, I'd pop in a disk and watch 2 or 3 episodes. I was mainly watching for fun, and I honestly don't remember much of what went on, but I remember thinking that wasn't nearly as corny as I thought it would be. Then I saw the BDM, and I say Joss Whedon's name on it, and I went "Hey...Whedon. Wasn't that the Buffy guy?" So I guess you could say I reverse-reverse engineered myself back to buffy.

OFF TOPIC ALERT:
Arcadia, that is an AWSOME pic in your sig. If there's anything I like more than Firefly, it's comic books, so naturally Those Left Behind was like the first FF thing I bought. Where'd you get that pic?

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:30 AM

ARCADIA

Quote:
Originally posted by Volk564:
Where'd you get that pic?

Thanks. I went to google, screencaptured the cover, and then cropped it and added my name in GIMP(freeware version of photoshop). I love Inara, and she just looks so pretty here (didn't like her nearly as much in her full cover). I think Zoe's cover is the best, though.

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"Objects in Space"

River: It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think...
http://www.stillflying.net/ <-- Check it out!

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Monday, May 1, 2006 3:23 PM

RMMC

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
giggle worthy

excellent use of the descriptive! Shiny!

Thanks. I still fall into Buffy-speak ocassionally.

*****
RMMC

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:56 PM

BROWNCOAT2006

Plz plz plz don't kill me... but I absolutly HATED Buffy and Angel... then I noticed the shiney little gem of Firefly and was like "this Joss Whedon cat is GOOD... wonder if he made anything elles" :D dead seriouse here... and yes I can't spell sorry 2 hours of sleep again, back to my narrative, I found out he did Buffy and Angel and was like... NO WAY... to this day, I still can't stand Buffy... Angel is decent... but no Buffy, no clue why, just can't handle it... I love vampire novels and such... *shrugs* Im weird what can I say! :P

My sisters a government trained assassin and my wife has access to power tools, I fear answering that question would be hazardous to my health.
- Simon Tam, Bed and Wine Pt. 25

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:14 PM

RMMC

No killing here...not even a prod. Folks is all different and that's shiny. If we was all the same, humanity'd die out from sheer boredom.

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RMMC

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 4:22 PM

CHRISISALL

Buffy movie(it was okay, but...).....>Alien4......>Titan AE....>Firefly......>Buffy......>Angel(stopped after season 2)....Serenity.....>finishing Buffy.....>prolly back to Angel

That's my Joss map Chrisisall

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:06 PM

VINTERDRAKEN

First Buffy, then Angel and then Firefly. Firefly is without doubt the best of them in my opinion. Saw Buffy cause I had seen the old 90s movie and heard they were making a tvshow based on it. Then I saw Angel cause it was a spinoff (and had a wicked intro) and then got into Firefly thanks to a mate who suggested it.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:06 PM

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:06 PM

JIGMAN

Yeah, I never was much for the whole vampire thingie, and as such was not a fan of Buffy or Angel. But I might as well have my browncoat surgically grafted to my skin for how I have fallen for Firefly

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All good things must come to an end.

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 5:47 PM

BROWNCOAT2006

Surgical graftings hurt.... but I get your meaning M8 ever since seeing it as a wee lad of 10 I was bleedin' brown, and up to no good in my loverly brown duster!! (and yes, I got issues, not brittish or irish or what ever other accents people think I have, I just throw random words into my speech, cause its fun... Firefly-isms nearly no stop, some brittish, some irish, all types o' weird :P)

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