Male and Female Imponderables, the Third by Tristan

Oh geez. That is toooo funny.

Life of the party.hmmmmmmmmmmm. Haven't had a drink since 2002. (Husband is an alcoholic). Last time I drank I had 5 pints of lager, a six pack of Mike's Lemonade, 1 bottle of Merlot. Apparently I took offense at something a man said to me and insulted all his countryman by making a joke in favor of North American and Aussie men and then on the way home took off all my clothing in the care because I thought (according to my spouse) that I had trod in dog poo.

I DO NOT REMEMBER anything after getting to the pub.

Scary Scary!

Comeon Dayve - we all know you are sitting at home right now with a needle in your arm! Aren't cha?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:22 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Sassalicious:

You're mostly right with the barrier theory.

Mostly? Just mostly? I am intrigued. Explain this "mostly right". What is your own take on the barrier theory?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:22 AM

My ex had an ex who'd have sex on acid, apparently she had the most amazing hallucinations with orgasm.

I've never tried acid myself, seems so scary, but I must admit to being intrigued...

btw - funny that Jose came up, I was using it to grill corn Monday night (wrap up ear of corn in foil with butter, cumin, and a big splash of tequila, oh yummy) and it occurred to me that this is the only thing I've used Jose for in like 3 years. I'm getting old! I used to love tequila! Upside down margaritas, weeee!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:30 AM

RHYIANAN

I must agree with phoenixrose on the sex with drugs thing. It's the weirdest and sadest thing I have ever heard.

Interesting side note: Am I (and possibly phoenixrose) the only one on this thread that has never done drugs?????????????

Also, I believe there was a question involving whether chocolate is neccesary or not. It is absolutely neccesary, an essential part of life.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:30 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
back to the sex on drugs thing.... i do have to say that back in the old college days i tried sex on cocain...that was interesting...

Oh oh oh - just remembered a story - A friend clipped it out of a newspaper once. Seriously, I'm not making it up!!

Things not to do: a guy shot cocain directly into his diao. (useful Chinese I've learned through FF) Well, it was hard for three days then it fell off!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:30 AM

Umm...am I the only one in here who has never taken an illegal pharmaceutical product? No marijuana, no cocaine, no heroin...not even special brownies...it was and remains a personal choice. I do like alcohol every now and then, and I really like my Vicodin and Hydrocodone (many, many back and other problems...mostly worked out now

). Being on the pain killers while engaged in intercourse has it's merits, but I much prefer to be totally "me" while it's happening.

And Mal4Prez, tequilla is evil and must be destroyed!

-EDIT- Ok, I am not the only one.
Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:31 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Comeon Dayve - we all know you are sitting at home right now with a needle in your arm! Aren't cha?

that's purly medicinal, darling....

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:36 AM

I have smoked pot like 3 times. Don't really like it. Never taken speed or antyhing, no acid, no cocaine. LOVE my presecription drugs. But I have been taking mega allergy pills for me, and that pretty much keeps me stoned.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Is there a connection here between getting high on life and juggling?

dropping a juggling pin on your foot can sometimes be a rush....

all seriousness aside... i do enjoy juggling... it clears my mind and relieves stress - i'm still working on adding that running chain saw, though

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:37 AM

SASSALICIOUS

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by Sassalicious:

You're mostly right with the barrier theory.

Mostly? Just mostly? I am intrigued. Explain this "mostly right". What is your own take on the barrier theory?

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

Mostly because some people close themself off to all potential intimacy, some go too far the other way seeking it everywhere, and another separate minority remains in the middle with a different set of issues. I would say that a lot of self-confidence goes out the window in any scenario. Or at least in certain respects.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:42 AM

SASSALICIOUS

Immunity is the craziest thing ever. I have theory that it's because I operate on a higher level than other people (mom thinks I'm hypomanic) and marijuana merely brings me down to "normal" levels, so I don't really notice the "high". Maybe if I smoked my weight in one night I'd feel something . . .

I am not immune to ephedra however. Though I think that might still be legal.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:43 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
I must agree with phoenixrose on the sex with drugs thing. It's the weirdest and sadest thing I have ever heard.

Interesting side note: Am I (and possibly phoenixrose) the only one on this thread that has never done drugs?????????????

Also, I believe there was a question involving whether chocolate is neccesary or not. It is absolutely neccesary, an essential part of life.

You and me, hon! We see totally eye to eye here.
Having not tried them, I'm still going to say that chocolate is better than drugs! (Sex would be too)

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:45 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

Ahh when the drinking ensued. Jack was my favorite, although on occasion it made me mean. But when Jose joined the party it was a good bet that the the Ghostriders whip would start swingin' and the flaming skull would engulf the whole experince with a blaze hot enough to contend with the very fires of hell!
Never tried it on drugs,(only been high once).

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:46 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
a guy shot cocain directly into his diao.

that's one place i do not like sharp objects... i'm a buttonfly kinda guy myself

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:47 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
I've never had a woman crack open a book and pick up in Chaper 10 during love making, but I don't doubt that some have faked orgasm just to be nice...

Now this is something that raised questions in my mind. How many women (or maybe even men, hey what do I know?!) would own up to having faked it? How often and in what circumstances?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:56 AM

Um, I will, for almost all of the 19 years.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:57 AM

Okay aparently ya'll been busy while I had to go do workie stuff.
On the issue of majania which I'm sure I just spelled wrong makes me happy but in no way ever made me want to have sex. Also I don't smoke so it generally burns to much to get very high.
Alcohol=Very very friendly me. My real friends reconize this so they keep me safe at parties and what not. No no bad but that down....trust me darling you don't really want to do that.
Here's a little bit of too much information. Before my current significant other I didn't even like sex. Don't get me wronge I'm a normal (sort of) human and so yes I was a hormonal teenager so..... Anyway whenever things got to sex I just couldn't feel anything and it was incredably frustating especially for whoever I was with. Significant other taught me how to just relax and enjoy myself. Kinda back fired on him later but that's another story for another time.

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:59 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I'm still going to say that chocolate is better than drugs!

ok, i'm not trying to be a kill-joy here (buzz kill? whatever you crazy kids say these days)... but you might consider this:

Chocolate: food or drug? by Bruinsma K, Taren DL
Arizona Prevention Center, University of Arizona, College of Medicine

Although addictive behavior is generally associated with drug and alcohol abuse or compulsive sexual activity, chocolate may evoke similar psychopharmacologic and behavioral reactions in susceptible persons.......Chocolate contains several biologically active constituents (methylxanthines, biogenic amines, and cannabinoid-like fatty acids), all of which potentially cause abnormal behaviors and psychological sensations that parallel those of other addictive substances. Most likely, a combination of chocolate's sensory characteristics, nutrient composition, and psychoactive ingredients, compounded with monthly hormonal fluctuations and mood swings among women, will ultimately form the model of chocolate cravings. Dietetics professionals must be aware that chocolate cravings are real. The psychopharmacologic and chemosensory effects of chocolate must be considered.........

hello, my name is Dayve... and i'm a Choco-holic....

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:01 AM

My problem is that I get the opposite reaction - sleeping pills make me wired and hype my heart rate - same with tranqs. Speed and things that work like speed make me really really sleepy. Whenever I have surgery, they are always worried ccause it takes A LOT of pain medicine to kick in.

But then I heal really fast and have a high threshold for pain anyway.

Pot makes me really um "excited" but I also dwell on one word or phrase and when you stop talking, I am still one that one word.

I can drink most men I know under the table, I don't get hangovers ever - but I do get alcohol poisoning.

So, I stick to my asthma medicine and Firefly

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
cannabinoid-like fatty acids

cannabinoid?...cannibis...? so every time you munch on that Hersheys bar.. it's just like sparkin up a doobie....

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:12 AM

Another question. Has anyone else ever had the I love you you're perfect now change experience?

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:13 AM

only Hersheys are a legal drug....

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:15 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:

Chocolate: food or drug?
hello, my name is Dayve... and i'm a Choco-holic....

This is quite true. I once tried givving it up for 12 weeks, just to see if I could. The first few weeks were pure hell, then after a while I found I wasn't fancying it as much. It's those first withdrawal pangs that are the killers.

I'm one of those strange people that get an endorphin rush from Chinese food. I think it's the monosodium glutamate or something but people give me very strange looks at the moans of pleasure I make when I eat Dim Sum!

As for other drugs, only ever tried weed twice. I had a blast but then I was having such a good time anyway that I'm not sure how much was due to the drug (how could you not feel stoned gazing out at a white sand beach in Zanzibar with shooting stars and a giant bonfire and the waves lapping at your toes! Ahhhh!)

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by copilot:
I didn't even like sex. Don't get me wronge I'm a normal (sort of) human and so yes I was a hormonal teenager so..... Anyway whenever things got to sex I just couldn't feel anything and it was incredably frustating especially for whoever I was with. Significant other taught me how to just relax and enjoy myself. Kinda back fired on him later but that's another story for another time.
An I carried such a torch

CoPilot - I didn't like sex much, but it had a lot to do with represses anger, the knowledge that SURELY he(spouse) was going to give me an STD, and the fact that he was only interested in himself. If I remember how to do it right, I am hoping to enjoy it again!

And you can't do that to us - Story NOW!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:20 AM

TAYEATRA

Right then guys...

A new problem for you.

There is a guy that lives in my building and is on my course at uni. We started lending DVD's (Firefly for BSG etc)and just generally chatting and every so often he'd come up to my room and we'd talk or play cards or whatever. Here's me thinking, great a good mate, we have similar tastes etc...

Then he gets drunk one night and starts texting me saying he's really into me and that's why he come's up to my room etc...I didn't reply because he was clearly wasted, but he just would not let it go after that. Even after I made it clear I wasn't interested.

He eventually agreed that we should just be friends and we gradually started talking again. We're going to the cinema next week (prior agreement before all this started). He's booked tickets and when I asked how much he said he's buying them and I should just get popcorn or something.

I'm uncomfortable with this because I don't want him to think I'm leading him on but I also can't tell if this is a just a friendly offer. So now I'm stuck. If it is just a friend thing then I could wreck it by making a big deal out of it but I'm desperately trying not to send 'signals' here.

What do you guys think?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Life of the party.hmmmmmmmmmmm. Haven't had a drink since 2002. (Husband is an alcoholic). Last time I drank I had 5 pints of lager, a six pack of Mike's Lemonade, 1 bottle of Merlot. Apparently I took offense at something a man said to me and insulted all his countryman by making a joke in favor of North American and Aussie men and then on the way home took off all my clothing in the care because I thought (according to my spouse) that I had trod in dog poo.

I DO NOT REMEMBER anything after getting to the pub.

Scary Scary!

Whoa - how are you still alive? I think I can manage five drinks if I'm really on a roll, and that's about it!

Emma: I've never faked it, although at times I've wanted to, in the Kinda of tired and ready to be done now situation. But it seemed so much work to fake it, and I'm not much of an actress.

Tristan and you other pharmaceutical fans: I spent two months on my sofa taking vicodin once, because I had two ruptured disks. (It took the bastards that long to get me into surgery.) While it was nice in its own way, it was also VERY scary. I couldn't keep track of how many I was taking. Once I found myself putting one in my mouth 30 seconds after I'd decided not to take another for a few hours.

It might have been the pain more than the drug, because I stopped cold turkey after the surgery. But it was too creepy having that stuff play with my brain. I'm so leary of painkillers now...

m

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:25 AM

You're not gonna like this story FMF..... So after I found out how amazing sex could feel I've had an issue or two with manogomy. His issue though he knew I didn't believe in it before he decided I was so incredable I needed to be kept in that special little box in his heart.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:27 AM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
the moans of pleasure I make when I eat Dim Sum!

ah, so that what they mean when they say the "Exotic Cuisine of the Far East..." or is it maybe the Erotic Cuisine...

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:34 AM

Mmm. Could possibly be a touchy subject, Tayeatra. Is could be that he is trying to remain friends, and this is a gesture along those lines. Could be he is still interested in you and is trying a different approach. I do not think he is setting a trap for you. In his shoes, if I still liked you and knew you did not feel the same, I would still try to stay close to you...not stalker-like, but friendly. And buying things like tickets would be "friendly" without being overbearing.
So, buy the popcorn, enjoy the movie, and don't think too heavily into motive. Or, seek other advice, because I may be barking up the wrong tree. See what the other females think...I am sure I missed something!

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:38 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
Quote:
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
the moans of pleasure I make when I eat Dim Sum!

ah, so that what they mean when they say the "Exotic Cuisine of the Far East..." or is it maybe the Erotic Cuisine...

I knew you'd laugh at me! [pouts]

That's it, I'm confiscating your spring rolls!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:40 AM

Well, from a females point of view. He "says" its just friends, but in his heart its a date.

In my experience, once the "i'm into you" has been let out of the bag - it takes a long time, if ever to get to the "just friends" again, and to get there you need a little anger first.

Its up to you. Be very open that you are happy to go and buy the popcorn, but you are going as if you and I as mates were going and I said - I'll buy the tickets, you buy the drink.

(also, he is getting the better end of the deal -considering the cost of snacks!)

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:43 AM

Hey Emma I'm not laughing.
Sooo anyway how you doing (channeling Joey from friends). Mind if I come sit at your table?
Oh goodness how I crack myself up!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:47 AM

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Originally posted by Tristan:
See what the other females think...I am sure I missed something!

Holding until you get back, Captain.

I agree with Tristan but with one extra point. Insist on buying him a drink or something next time you go out 'to pay him back'. That way you can accept his kindness whilst still subtelly reinforcing your independance and the just friends thing.

I had a major problem with this kind of thing at Uni. There was a guy that didn't seem to have many friends in the sci-fi club (that I was captain of

) so I went out of my way to be nice to him. Turns out there was a reason! He was very odd. Kept trying to hit on me even after I'd told him (in much less subtle ways that I was used to) that I wasn't interested. In the end he turned up at my birthday party and started hitting on all my friends (of both sexes which really freaked some of them out!)

He still texts and e-mails me sometimes (which is freaky since I never gave him my number) but I just ignore him.

I'm sure your friend is much nicer though, and much less creepy! It's the story of my life though that I don't have the confidence to talk to anyone I fancy, just to the ones I don't, thereby giving them the wrong idea!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:55 AM

TAYEATRA

Thanks for the idea about buying him a drink and making it clear I'm paying him back for the ticket. I'm glad you guys managed to get why it's complicated, I can never work out whether I'm reading too much into things or if I have legitimate concerns.

Oh, and Em

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It's the story of my life though that I don't have the confidence to talk to anyone I fancy, just to the ones I don't, thereby giving them the wrong idea!

Are you sure this came from your life story because it's word for word like a prominent chapter in mine.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:57 AM

Tayeatra -

I had one of these. After we went out once I told him I didn't want to date, and that seemed fine. We had a brother/sister relationship for years and it worked fine, even though it seemed hard on him when I dated others. I even crashed at his house a few times, sharing the bed, but platonically.

Then last year he got a permanent girlfriend, and I think it was too weird for him to be around me while dating her. We quit hanging out. So sad! I miss the friendship.

Point being, I think you can have a friendship in that situation if you're clear as to your intent, but it's on shaky foundations. I don't think it was easy on him, and it makes me sad now. I'm not sure I'd do it the same.

m

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:02 AM

I hate that! I lost a lot of my friends because they got girlfiends or in recent years wives.
I understand but it still hurts. My fault I guess.

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:10 AM

One thing that bothers me is the issue of why males and females can't be friends without "something" there. I will admit that I am as guilty as anyone for wanting something more with a female friend than she is interested in giving, but that has never cost me a friendship. I have had several female friends, some of whom I had a crush on, and some not, but they are usually the most loyal, understanding counterpart you can have. I did not lose them when they began dating or married (although I have lost touch with a few because of distance), and never felt jealous. I guess it's weird, but I am sure there are several other males here that feel the way I do.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:18 AM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
I knew you'd laugh at me!
That's it, I'm confiscating your spring rolls!

Hands off of the spring rolls - (my favorite)...

and i was not laughing at you... i just need to hang out at Win Hing a little more...

Oh, and the fake orgasm thing... I have to give it up to Meg Ryan, in the movie - When Sally met ...somebody Harry? Larry... i don't remember (i know guys shouldn't be watching chick-flicks, but that was hi-larious)...best fake orgasm ever on film....

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:21 AM

I have a question: my brothers tell me that a dance to a guy is NEVER JUST a dance.

True? False?

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
/QUOTE]
best fake orgasm ever on film....

How do you know it was fake

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:27 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

I recently had a great conversation with my bestest friend of ten years and she, (yes she), told me that her and some of her girlfriends would ask those ponderous questions. you know the ones. I wonder how he is in bed? If big hands and big feet and big ears are the sign then he has to be big. He's such a great guy, why don't you try sleeping with him? But luckily we were better friends than most and we never had sex. We are very close and she is married with two kids, one on the way. P.S. Thanks TRISTAN for the advice last week. The woman in question actually stood me up on Saturday night, but it was so she could spend time with her son. We will have lunch on Friday and that "clarification" of intentions will be addressed.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:27 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
Quote:
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
I knew you'd laugh at me!
That's it, I'm confiscating your spring rolls!

Hands off of the spring rolls - (my favorite)...

and i was not laughing at you... i just need to hang out at Win Hing a little more...

Sorry, men are overshadowed when there's Chinese food around!!

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Oh, and the fake orgasm thing... I have to give it up to Meg Ryan, in the movie - When Sally met ...somebody Harry? Larry... i don't remember (i know guys shouldn't be watching chick-flicks, but that was hi-larious)...best fake orgasm ever on film....

A little random info for any Buffy fans out there, Alison Hannigan apparently played that part when the stage version came to the West End. Sadly I missed it! I would have paid good money to see that!

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:28 AM

So on the issue of fake orgasms I've only ever done it twice. Once because well they were trying so hard and after a couple of hours I had to take pity on the poor soul. Second because I got board but they were also trying so damn hard and well......I was getting a little sore.

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:34 AM

a couple of HOURS?

*FMF faints dead away at the knowledge that it should at least take more than the 1 minute 35 seconds she is used to*

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:36 AM

I have to disagree with them. A dance can sometimes just be a dance. Don't get me wrong, there are times when a dance can be some pretty serious foreplay, and boy-howdy are those kind of dances fun! As a male, I look at a dance as a chance to get to know someone a little better, get the chance to smile at them from a close distance, and hopefully charm them a bit

. I do not look at a dance as a chance for some groping or drooling.
Am I alone in this?

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:39 AM

Sorry darlin but yeah some people do spend more than 1min 35sec having sex. I can't go all that long very often because well ummmmm sometimes I just get board. And I'm sure as a female you've had the very unpleasent experience of getting sore in you're special spot.

An I carried such a torch

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:39 AM