Here there be pirates... by deepgirl187

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Here there be pirates...

POSTED BY: DEEPGIRL187
UPDATED: Sunday, July 9, 2006 14:10
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Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:10 AM

I just saw the second Pirates Of The Carribean today (amazing film, I highly reccommend it). While I was watching Johnny Depp's wonderful performance, I noticed something. Jack Sparrow is a lot like the captain. Mind you, Jack has a lot less scruples than our captain, but he's still basically a decent human being (kind of).

But what I really noticed was how they both relate to their ships. To them, their ships are a part of them, a part that would hurt to lose. The importance they place on their ships is not something others can always understand, and is often something that gets them into trouble. But still they remain devoted to their respective homes.

Anyway, just a random observation.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:04 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

Hopefully going to see the movie tomorrow. I can't wait and I'll be looking for comparisons.

I live right in the middle of pirate country so I can't wait for the movie. Blackbeard lived in Bath, NC in the 1700's, about 20 miles from my house, for seveal years. His flagship, the "Queen Anne's Revenge" was found in the inlet near Beaufort, NC several years ago.

A lot of artifacts have been brought to the surface and are in a museum in Beaufort, NC. That's where they had the tall ships last week. So there be pirates here too. Maybe that's why I like Firefly so much?

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 4:51 PM

SAMEERTIA

I want a Will Turner.
Can I have one, please?
My name IS Elizabeth, after all!

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 6:09 PM

FLORALBUNNY

deepgirl187 wrote (in part):
But what I really noticed was how they both relate to their ships. To them, their ships are a part of them, a part that would hurt to lose. The importance they place on their ships is not something others can always understand, and is often something that gets them into trouble. But still they remain devoted to their respective homes.
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I was watching my PotC1 DVD one day right after
getting a Firefly fix, thinking how much I like
both my Captains. I took this down:

"It's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and
sails -- that's what a ship *needs* -- but what
a ship *is* -- what the Black Pearl really *is*
-- is freedom.

It goes right along with Mal telling Zoe "Won't
ever have to be under the heel of nobody ever
again." (Hope I haven't hashed that line)

Hard to wait to see PotC2, now that it's out!

bun
~2006~Firefly Summer~2006~
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Saturday, July 8, 2006 8:56 PM

ANONYMOUS1

One of the crew says Shiny.

And then Captain Jack says Shiny.

And something with the word Hold in the movie. But I can't remember what.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:21 PM

ANONYMOUS1

Quote:
Originally posted by FloralBunny:
I was watching my PotC1 DVD one day right after
getting a Firefly fix, thinking how much I like
both my Captains. I took this down:

"It's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and
sails -- that's what a ship *needs* -- but what
a ship *is* -- what the Black Pearl really *is*
-- is freedom.

It goes right along with Mal telling Zoe "Won't
ever have to be under the heel of nobody ever
again." (Hope I haven't hashed that line)

Out of Gas

Mal: "And try to see past what she is and on
to what she can be."

Zoe: What's that, Sir?

Mal: Freedom is what.

...

Mal: "And never have to be under the heel
of nobody ever again."

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:24 PM

SHINYYUKARI

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous1:
One of the crew says Shiny.

And then Captain Jack says Shiny.

And something with the word Hold in the movie. But I can't remember what.

They were talking about Shiny rewards and honest payment! I loved that part!

And Captain Jack and Captain Reynolds are alot alike. I could see them having a battle of wits and snark in some freaky universe.

"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
"Okay! Everybody not talking about sex, in here. Everybody else, elsewhere."~Wash
Browncoats are the coolest fans I've ever seen.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:30 PM

BELOWZERO

Quote:
Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Hopefully going to see the movie tomorrow. I can't wait and I'll be looking for comparisons.

I live right in the middle of pirate country so I can't wait for the movie. Blackbeard lived in Bath, NC in the 1700's, about 20 miles from my house, for seveal years. His flagship, the "Queen Anne's Revenge" was found in the inlet near Beaufort, NC several years ago.

A lot of artifacts have been brought to the surface and are in a museum in Beaufort, NC. That's where they had the tall ships last week. So there be pirates here too. Maybe that's why I like Firefly so much?

Is there a website for the ship and the artifacts for those of us who like pirates but live waaaaaay up North? I'd love to check that out!
Thanks!

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:49 PM

ZOID

Howdy, folks...

As ShinyYukari and Anonymous1 both pointed out, the segment of dialogue regarding a "reward for honest piratin'" (treasure) that's hopefully "shiny" for a change, rather than what this Browncoat presumes has been a longish string of 'bobblehead capers' for the crew of The Pearl: I was gonna say it sounded an awful lot like an intentional SereniFly reference to me. As did the British West India Company (read: 'Blue Sun') man's assertion that the world was shrinking, and that there would soon be no place in it for naughty men like Jack Sparrow to slip about at all... Hell, we even got a glimpse (unintentional parallel, I'm sure, but still fun) of Reaver tribal life!
(NB: I hope that dog doesn't become a 'good dog', wot?)

I, too, immensely enjoyed PotC:DMC; although I must admit I ain't keen on 'To be continued...' endings.

Saw it at a jammed drive-in (perfect night for it, btw) along with "Cars" (thinly veiled -- but nevertheless excellently done -- remake of "Doc Hollywood") and "Nacho Libre" (chock full of Jack Black-y comedic goodness, tho' very bizarre). My son and I had a great time.

Buccaneerishly,

zoid

P.S.
Of the whole night's worth of films, me and the boy can't get past the line from Nacho's song just before his big fight with the wrestling champion, in which he sings of his days (upwards of two of them) wandering alone in the 'wilderness' (a stone's throw from town): "...I ate some bugs, I ate some grass, I used my hand to wipe my tears...". It was so cool being able to explain the concepts of subtlety and misdirection to my son, from a film of this stripe. The fact that my soon-to-be 13 year old boy got the joke as soon as it came out of Black's mouth, though, indicates to me that perhaps 'the lowest common denominator' might be raised a little in Hollywood. People are perhaps a bit quicker on the uptake than movie makers are generally giving them credit for...

P.P.S.
Best film of the night? Hard to say, since they were an eclectic, mixed-genre group of movies. But I will say that there wasn't a clinker in the bunch, and isn't that a 'once in a blue moon' these days?
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 12:37 AM

IAMJACKSUSERNAME

Well, I'm all right. - Mal

Quote:
Pirate Captain Bellamy:
damn ye [and] all those who will submit to be governed by Laws which rich Men have made for their own Security, for the cowardly Whelps have not the Courage otherwise to defend what they get by their Knavery; but damn ye altogether: Damn them [...] and you, who serve them [...] They villify us, the Scoundrels do, when there is only this Difference, they rob the Poor under the Cover of Law, [indeed], and we plunder the Rich under the Protection of our own Courage; had you not better make One of us, than sneak after the Arses of those Villains for Employment?

- Peter Lamborn Wilson's "T.A.Z.: the temporary autonomous zone, ontological anarchy, poetic terrorism"

- "Pirate Utopias" http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no8/pirate.html
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I am Steve's username
"stealing from the rich, selling to the poor" - Wash

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 4:37 AM

NCBROWNCOAT

I found a website that has a history of Blackbeard, history of the Queen Anne's Revenge and photos of the artifacts recovered so far. http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/maritime/Blackbeard/default.htm

The recovery of artifacts is still an ongoing project and of course depends on funding from the State of North Carolina. I have heard that there are more artificats undergoing the process of conservation right now and if you want to see them live you can go to the North Carolina Maritime Museum in Beaufort.

The museum is fascinating in itself and has displays of all aspects of NC martime history-from small fishing boats to the US Lifesaving Service-the ancestor of the Coast Guard. They even offer classes in making small wooden fishing boats that are sea worthy. I've been there several times.

I've also heard rumors that some of the artifacts of the Monitor-the first ironclad ship to engage in battle during the Civil War may end up in NC. Its underwater off the coast of NC but a museum in Norfolk, VA wants them too.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 4:53 AM

FIREFROMHEAVEN

I had a great day yesterday and got to see PotC with my family. Loved it! I, too, noticed that some of the references, like the word "shiny," and especialy the slight emphasis on it's use in the way it was repeated and in the context used, seemed to be a deliberate nod to Serenity/Firefly.

And, oh sure, middle films often suffer from things like the "to be continued" ending, but it was a lot of fun to see anyway!

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:22 AM

ARTCAT81

I have not seen it yet, but cannot wait!

I'm a descendent of Captain Morgan (Sir Henry Morgan)

and the family retains a book from another ancestors days of sailing with Captain Cook...

hmm maybe that is why the black calls to me... guess it runs in my blood :p

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:45 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
(NB: I hope that dog doesn't become a 'good dog', wot?)

Don't worry, from everything I've seen, that dog is smarter than they were.

(Their language obviously lacks anything resembling "split up.")

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:06 AM

EXODUS

So I assume we can unaninimously agree that Pirates Of The Caribbean 2: Dead Man's Chest was a good movie, correct? I hope so because according to some review I have been reading the newspapers, it is only getting lukewarm reviews at best. Then again, the critics always bash good movies...

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:10 AM

KAYLEE4SIMON

Browncoats seem to approve of the movie well enough, my friends and I gave it two Grrs-up! I loved the word "shiny" in the movie, I think I repeated it every time I heard it. It was a long movie, and since there is going to be a third one I kept wondering when they were going to cut it off, but still it was a great movie.
Me, Michele, and Rachael even dressed up like pirate girls...

Keep shiny!

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:17 AM

BROKENANGEL

Now I know I've come home! Deepgirl187 - Pirates of the Caribbean 2 AND Advent Children pictures all in one thread??? We are of the same mind!

I saw Pirates today and it took my breath away. Johnny Depp - pure talent! Very, very well written, a cliff-hanger that had me chewing on my hand, and pure comedy from start to finish, as well as a soundtrack to die for - I LOVED this film!!!

Now I just have to stay calm until next year... that's the downside to being a Brit - getting films after the Americans! Curses!

"Define 'interesting'." "Oh god, oh god, we're going to die?"

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:22 AM

DEEPGIRL187

After reading these posts, a question came to mind. Who do you guys think would win in a fight (not necessarily a fair one): Jack or Mal? Mind we have to take in all facets of their personality and skills weapon wise.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:48 AM

FIREFROMHEAVEN

That's a great question! Here's my thought: with swords, Jack wins, hands down. Other weapons, Mal. A hand to hand brawl likely ends in an ugly tie.

But, before it got that far, I'd like to think they'd realize their potential to be compadres and go off to share a few drinks and discuss the sometimes troubling charms of whor -- uh, companions.

Of course, the ladies keep slapping Jack. Does he refer to them in ways they don't like? Forget to pay them? Overpromise them in other ways?

Could make for a very interesting conversation between them.

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 9:27 AM

DEEPGIRL187

I don't know if they'd be bosom buddies, at least not at first. Jack has a little problem with a thing I like to call conscience. He does have one, but he prefers to ignore it. Mal is ruled more by a code of honor, than Jack is. That might cause them to have some differences of opinion on certain topics.

Jack would definitely win in a sword fight, though.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 11:01 AM

SHINYYUKARI

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I don't know if they'd be bosom buddies, at least not at first. Jack has a little problem with a thing I like to call conscience. He does have one, but he prefers to ignore it. Mal is ruled more by a code of honor, than Jack is. That might cause them to have some differences of opinion on certain topics.

Pirates have code...well, they're more like guidelines...lol...

"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
"Okay! Everybody not talking about sex, in here. Everybody else, elsewhere."~Wash
Browncoats are the coolest fans I've ever seen.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 11:51 AM

FIREFROMHEAVEN

I agree with you Deepgirl, they might not be bosom buddies, but I don't think Jack Sparrow would ever be Alliance, either. Mal doesn't mind dealing with unsavory sorts if he has a motive to do so.

And they are both likable rogues.

ShinyYukari, good point on the "guidelines!"

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 2:10 PM

FLORALBUNNY

Arrrrh, Anonymous1, and thanks for the correct
quote from Mal in OoG.

What a lot of fine posts here since last night. No way to address all of them, though I'm such a
blabberer I'd like to.

I heard one reviewer give DMC "a B-minus, but a
solid B-minus" and then go on to rave about Johnny D. and to declare the film worth going to. I guess there are some big holes in the writing (might be editing problems), and a lot of the FX are of the same "because we can" variety I noticed in the first film -- kinda overdone and too lengthy -- but that's not what I am going for. It's the acting.
The target demo is apparently judged by Disney
to be going for the FX and the swashbuckling. Well, shiny. *We* get a film out of it, too.

For a formula: Disney + Bruckheimer + megabucks
= dumb summer blockbuster you might just love if
the cast and director have been properly chosen.

Middle film? Depends on the box office, of course. Depp said in an interview after the first one that he loves the character and he'd do nine if they'd let him. I assume that, over time, that attitude would depend heavily on cooperation from writers and director.

As I reported elsewhere, my spy on the scene (due
back in the Virgin Islands in late August) said that at one point they were filming 2 and 3, and writing 4 and 5, all at once. No way I can identify browncoats on the project, gorammit, but I think we may have heard a shout-out. Shiny!!

Our Captains fight? Oy, I'd love to write that one.
Neither is worth a rat's backside with a sword, so we could demonstrate that.
Johnny D. is positively elfin compared to Nathan, so hand-to-hand would have to employ all manner of dirty fighting and weapons of opportunity, because Nathan could sit on him and that would be the end.
At last, all that's left are pistols, and Mal's is a repeater. Not fair! ("Pirate!") They realize this and also that somebody could die, so they make up and go off together for a pint or six while they negotiate whatever it was that set off the dispute in the first place.
(Note also that each character has some cool
scars on his chest which could be displayed, if
only briefly)

Arrrrrh! Holdin' me breath!

bun
~2006~Firefly Summer~2006~
------Hide the rum!------

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