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The WORST trailer for the GREATEST series ever! - Thank you fox.
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:03 PM
STILLSHINY
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:09 PM
SIMONB
Quote:Originally posted by Stillshiny: "We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion Stillshiny's Shop - Original creator of the -isms series http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?sid=4728 http://www.myspace.com/robdhiii
11THHOUR
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:30 PM
SILENCE
Quote:Originally posted by 11thHour: FOX never understood what it had. 11th Hour
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:32 PM
CALIFORNIAKAYLEE
Quote:Originally posted by silence: Quote:Originally posted by 11thHour: FOX never understood what it had. 11th Hour Think they do now? ************************** "Listen, if you got guests I can come back later."
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:26 PM
DC4BS
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:03 PM
SHINY
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:04 PM
MORWEN112
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:11 PM
INDIANABANZAI
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:37 PM
DARKJESTER
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:45 PM
PENGUIN
Quote:Originally posted by Stillshiny: "We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:47 PM
FOLLOWMAL
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:52 PM
CAUSAL
ONEMANSHORT
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:26 PM
DOPEYNAME101
Quote:Originally posted by OneManShort: Sadly when the show first came out I was playing chess on Friday nights. So that gave me no opportunity to even see the show if the commercials had even made it look good. This is going to make me seem really computer illiterate (which I am) but what program do you need to get clips out of the show or movie? Are there more than one? Just curious because I like doing stuff like this.
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:27 PM
HERA
Quote:Originally posted by OneManShort: This is going to make me seem really computer illiterate (which I am) but what program do you need to get clips out of the show or movie? Are there more than one? Just curious because I like doing stuff like this.
Quote:Originally posted by ImEarly: CONCEPT A video concept is a deceptively simple thing. The best way to describe it is as a vision. What you want the vided to be, how you want the viewer to feel, what you want them to think, to understand. In short, why you're making the video. This is hardly an exhaustive discussion, so what is possible goes far above and beyond what I make mention of. It should also be noted that sometimes a concept doesn't need to be stronger than a video and a song - not every video needs a strong concept. Attempting to strengthen a concept in a video that doesn't need it can kill the video. That said, when to apply the concept and when not to is a matter of taste for the editor. After all, the overall goal of any video is to communicate something, right? STORYTELLING The idea here is both very restricted and very open-ended, depending on what story you want to tell and how you want to tell it. Some videos retell the story, others tell entirely new stories. There's a large area in between, where the story is told but changed or a twist is added. SYNCH Synch is the core of the editing process itself. It is the connection between music and video. Without synch, you have video, and you have music, but no real connection between them. MUSICAL AKA Beat synch. This is where you cut, fade, use effects in time to the music. While sometimes simple to execute, this can get very complicated very rapidly. Many songs will have more than one musical line going at a time, and sounds of varying volume and tone. As an editor, you have to pick what you think is important, and synch to that. Sometimes the music itself presents a clear lead line to work with, but this is frequently not the case. What you show, how strongly you show it, and how you show it are all choices to be made. Most videos make use of beat synch heavily. To ignore the music itself is considered extremely bad form, most of the time. Without extremely good reason, such as comedy, the video ending, etc., missing a significant change in the music is considered a major slip-up on the part of the editor. LYRICAL AKA Literal synch. In short, you match what is being said to what you show. There are varying degrees of lyrical synch. The connection between what is said and what is shown may be readily obvious, heavily symbolic, or nearly anywhere in between. One type that deserves special mention is the comedic association: an association made specifically to make fun of something or someone, or something absolutely ridiculous. The associations should be ones that the viewer can understand, though. If the associations are so strange or symbolic that the viewer can't understand them, then the editor has likely slipped up. Unless they're trying to make an incomprehensible video, that is. A second type that deserves special mention is lip-synching. This is where a character (or characters) mouth movements are matched to the lyrics such that the character (or characters) appear to be singing or speaking. It is considered good form to lip synch entire lines at a time, with partial lip synch being somewhat looked down on. EFFECTS There are two schools of thought on effects, one at either end of a broad spectrum. One school holds that effects should only be used to further the concept of the video. The other school holds that effects should be used just because they look cool. I’m going to refer to these as the meaningful camp and the appearance camp. Most people, it should be noted, are somewhere in between, using effects to further their musical sync. MEANING (aka pretentious artiste) The point of view here is somewhat more complicated that of the other camp. The idea is that effects should only be used in order to heighten the impact, strengthen the message, or somehow enhance the emotions felt by the viewer. This sometimes leads to symbolism, and other things that frequently only make total sense to the editor. APPEARANCE (aka “Shiny!!!!”) The point of view of this camp is pretty simplistic: if it looks cool, go for it. No meaning required. The effects don’t need to be there for any conceptual reason, but they look cool, so why not? MUSICAL SYNCH Most effects are used for musical synch. When the audio doesn’t justify a hard cut, or a hard cut won’t do, an effect is frequently what fits the bill. Color shifts, freeze frames, inversions, crossfades, and more are commonly used for musical synch. AVISynch is the only way to properly edit Vobs in a serious editor. If you don't know what AVIsynch, then take the time to read this: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/amvappavisynth.html You'll thank me later. So you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dopeyname101: You on a PC or a Mac?
Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:41 PM
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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:45 PM
MONKSDAD
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Penguin: Quote:Originally posted by Stillshiny: "We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion Where did this quote come from?? I love it!
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:58 AM
CHOO1701
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:40 AM
MSG
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:14 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:47 AM
MILFORD
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:56 AM
SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:16 AM
FRELLINGBLONDE
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:58 AM
AZHEA
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:33 AM
JOSSISAGOD
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:38 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Smartbutdumbblonde: ARGHH!! What the hell were they thinking??? Anyone else that picks up Firefly should hire Browncoats to promote it, we'd do a faaarrr better job, with one hand tied behind our backs and a swarm of angry wasps attacking us incessantly!! Is is just be, or does every single trailer have exactly the same guy doing the voice over? Has anyone ever heard a trailer with a female voice over? 98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:04 AM
DESKTOPHIPPIE
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DesktopHippie: Ha! Now I now what Joss was talking about on the commentaries when he kept saying that the ads with the girl in the box didn't exactly help River's surprise entrance in the pilot. Which they didn't show 'till they cancelled the show anyway. This is what a series promo ~should~ be like. I'm desperately hoping someone on our side of the Atlantic picks this up! http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/ Look at their trailer!!! So shiny!!!
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:23 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by OneManShort: Thanks for being so helpful! I'll se what I can do about actually making anything, may take a while to read through the tutorials and so on. Thanks again!
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:27 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:02 PM
STEAMER
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dopeyname101: Technically speaking, to get the footage from the dvd to your hard drive to edit, you're gonna need 3 things: the Quicktime MPEG2 player (20 bucks at Apple's online store) MPEG Streamclip and MacTheRipper. If/when you need more help, lemme know
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:36 PM
COPILOT
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:54 PM
BELOWZERO
Quote:Originally posted by msg: ummm well that explains everything. This is why we couldn't get a large enough viewing audience. Was that trailer made by over caffinated 13 year olds ( no offense 13) WTF I choose to rise instead of fall- U2
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:36 PM
THEKNIGHT
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:54 PM
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Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:26 PM
Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:36 PM
Quote:I totally refuse to move to the smallish community with afordable housing down the road a little ways because it is called "Fox"
Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:35 PM
ROCKETJOCK
Quote:Originally posted by monksdad: WTF, now I see why I only saw one episode when it was on originally. By the way I see SciFi channel has another new series thats not firefly. Am I the only one that gets angry everytime Scifi channel puts money into other shows and stupid movies and wrestling (BTW i am a wrestling fan and i am still pissed at that one) instead of firefly.
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