What did they do to Wash? by PaxAlexa

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What did they do to Wash?

POSTED BY: PAXALEXA
UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 19:19
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Thursday, August 3, 2006 12:54 PM

Hi,
I'm new over here. I just wanted to bring up a question I had while watching Serenity today. And no, it's not "What was the deal with Book's past" although that is one of my questions, like it's a question for almost everybody.

NO, my question is a little bit more morbid but i really have to know what people think: Is there a chance that while the crew was inside the tunnel area leading to Mr. Universe's place in the final fight scene in Serenity, that the Reavers were doing anything...unspeakable...to Wash's body? I just think that perhaps Wash being dead would not have prevented them from doing something, or were they focused on killing everybody and THEN taking their skins? I don't mean to be morbid...just a question I had...

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:02 PM

LISSA37

First off, Welcome!

I just joined here about a month ago and it's a great place. I think you'll feel at home here.

Now, on to your question... which, though mildly morbid (lol), is a valid one.

I don't know if we can really answer that question, not without more information. However, my best guess would be that, no, the Reavers did not do anything. I say that based on River's line while the crew is escaping from the Reavers in the beginning of the movie in the mule. They won't shoot the crew, only chase them. River says that (and I'm paraphrasing here, I don't know the exact line) they want their victims alive when they eat them. So, my guess would be they have no interest in dead bodies. But, I don't know for sure. That's just my opinion.

(And, of course, a huge part of me -- most likely the Wash fan in me -- is also saying "no!" just because it disgusts me to think about it... elch! lol)

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:11 PM

PAXALEXA

You know, I thought about that. And then I thought, Well, that wouldn't prevent a person from getting their skin taken by Reavers. Just because you can't eat somebody...

oh but yeah...the Wash fan in me is hugely opposed to this idea. I can't help but think though...what kind of horror people would have to go back to.

-Pax

I swear I saw an SUV driving around the other day from Iowa with the word "Jayne" on the license plate.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:14 PM

PSHAW

In case this was icking you out - no I don't think the Reavers were doing anything unspeakable to Wash's body.

For a couple reasons - they're predators and they travel in packs. If you notice there's not really a singluar for Reavers. Even in Bushwhacked when the guy becomes one - doesn't Mal say something like "he becomes them"? I could be wrong, he might say "one" but other than that I don't remember anybody ever referring to a single Reaver. And the pack was in a frenzy to chase after the still living and breathing. Predators go after that which still moveth.

My two cents...

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:23 PM

FIZZIX

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Originally posted by PaxAlexa:
You know, I thought about that. And then I thought, Well, that wouldn't prevent a person from getting their skin taken by Reavers. Just because you can't eat somebody...

oh but yeah...the Wash fan in me is hugely opposed to this idea. I can't help but think though...what kind of horror people would have to go back to.

-Pax

I swear I saw an SUV driving around the other day from Iowa with the word "Jayne" on the license plate.

Did you think before you started signing yourself as Pax, or is it a coincidence?

Reavers probaby didn't get Wash is the general consensus. There was a "reasons why Wash is alive and 100% well" thread... but it sank into the abyss. Basically, the argument consisted on the .01% (it's hard to find the percent sign in the dark...) of people who survive such an injury. A recurring phrase was "STEERING COLUMN!" Other arguements are that Feds got to Wash in time to somehow or another save him. Anyway. There'd probably be a BIG WTF moment if Wash was mysteriously dissappear-ified.
The crew probably disposed of the body.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:24 PM

PAXALEXA

Then what are we going to suppose about any Reavers that survived the Alliance attacking them and followed the Alliance troops that came to ambush Mal & Crew after that last stand? Are we just to assume that there were none left? Because I would think that there would at least be a few. And there would have had to have been a body for Wash to have a grave, I'm sure Zoe wouldn't have allowed for a lack of body.

Oh and no. The whole Pax part of my name was actually just a coincidence- it's Latin for PEACE ironically enough.
-Pax

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:33 PM

FIZZIX

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Originally posted by PaxAlexa:
And there would have had to have been a body for Wash to have a grave, I'm sure Zoe wouldn't have allowed for a lack of body.

Oh and no. The whole Pax part of my name was actually just a coincidence- it's Latin for PEACE ironically enough.
-Pax

First, they're memorials. They didn't tote Book or Mr. Universe, and they have "graves" too.

Second, it's only ironic if you look at it from a Reaver's standpoint, and if you're standing where a Reaver is, you are one. If you are a Reaver, you aren't sane enough to think about irony.

I'm an evil, evil person. Don't let my snappy, bitchy reply kill you. I feel better about those replies when people tell me that they're bitchy, cause then I can explain that I'm not a nice person.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:50 PM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by PaxAlexa:
Well, that wouldn't prevent a person from getting their skin taken

Well, that'd be one way for Wash to reappear in a sequel.

Oh, come one. You were all thinking it.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:02 PM

NANITE1018

Cybersnark, you are psychotic! I wasn't thinking that!

That's terrible! ick.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:10 PM

JOSSISAGOD

To add to Lissa37's theory in the Mule chase,

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Mal says,"they wanna run us down, the up close kill." River says, "They want us alive when they eat us." When Mal shoots the guy who ran out and said, "Take me with you!" the Reavers just drop him like an animal that's no longer interested in what it's playing with.

I think it is kind of fun for the Reavers to run their food down and do things to it before killing it. that's why I don't think they messed with Wash.
Edit: Where are my manners, you need some Mudder's Milk, or per'maybe'haps some coffee, tea or soda? Welcome to the 'verse!
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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:16 PM

XEYRA

When Mal shoots the man from the Trading Station in Lilac, who is being overtaken by Reavers, they seem to loose interest in him, which is why Mal does it. River herself, as has been pointed out, says they want their victims alive when they eat them.

So I think Wash was safe from any profanation by the Reavers. They do skin their victims, but it appears they don't always do that when the victim is already dead (*shudder*), and even if they do, it's probably someone they got, not someone they found already dead.

"People tell you things all the time, without talking. The way they move, the way they aren't talking." - River Tam

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:21 PM

PAXALEXA

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:22 PM

KANEMAN

What did they do to Wash?
Reaver - "Pass the salt please"
Reaver2 - "Tastes like chicken"

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:25 PM

PAXALEXA

Quote:
Originally posted by Fizzix:

First, they're memorials. They didn't tote Book or Mr. Universe, and they have "graves" too.

Second, it's only ironic if you look at it from a Reaver's standpoint, and if you're standing where a Reaver is, you are one. If you are a Reaver, you aren't sane enough to think about irony.

I'm an evil, evil person. Don't let my snappy, bitchy reply kill you. I feel better about those replies when people tell me that they're bitchy, cause then I can explain that I'm not a nice person.

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- Of course, that would have been the case, had I actually been referring to the conversation at hand directly and not just my USERname. Read a little closer.

-Pax

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:43 PM

MTSOUL4EVR

*snifflez*
poor wash...now we'll never hear the end of his poem..I sobbed like a baby when he died. lol
anywho..im just hoping that they have some way of bringing him back for the ressurection of the series...so help me that series WILL come back YARGH!
seriously, who doesnt like a good old fashioned sci-fi western show? ^_^

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:50 PM

LISSA37

Cybersnark,

EWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! That was sick!

You, too, Kaneman, though yours was less repulsive than Cybersnark's.

I'm off to look at some pictures of our poor, dear Wash -- you know, when he was alive and well. And not being spoken of in such manners...

EW!!!!!!!!!!

Random thought: I think this type of conversation may be what the vomit smiley was meant for, if I didn't find it a bit too gross to use one... eh, forget it. This situation calls for one.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:58 PM

KANEMAN

Lissa37 sorry for the bad visuals. I think they are both rather amusing.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:58 PM

PENGUIN

Try to dismember
your friends and remember,
to swallow, swallow, swallow...

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:08 PM

LISSA37

No need to apologize, Kaneman. I'm just not fond of that kind of humor... not my thing. It's fine for those who enjoy it, though.

Clearly, Penguin is in your camp, though. Ew.

For those who react to this a bit more like me, here's a Wash picture to make you feel better:

(Picture is from: www.firefly-tvs.com/bios/wash.htm)

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:35 PM

NANITE1018

Thank you Lissa. That's much better.

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:51 PM

RMMC

Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:
To add to Lissa37's theory in the Mule chase,
Select to view spoiler:
Mal says,"they wanna run us down, the up close kill." River says, "They want us alive when they eat us." When Mal shoots the guy who ran out and said, "Take me with you!" the Reavers just drop him like an animal that's no longer interested in what it's playing with.

I think it is kind of fun for the Reavers to run their food down and do things to it before killing it. that's why I don't think they messed with Wash.

And now for something from the other camp.

A quote from the pilot, Serenity, about the subject:
Zoë: If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing and if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.

They may or may not have done something. Most seemed to like to play with their food a bit, but as there's necro's in "normal" folks, there's probably more than a few Reavers that are as well.

Not what I wanted to think about before bedtime, however.

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RMMC

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 5:09 PM

FLORALBUNNY

WTF did I decide to read this thread
while eating?
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

bun, grossed...
~frou-frou siggy omitted~

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Thursday, August 3, 2006 5:24 PM

KANEMAN

So, we all agree there is a possibility(If wash was an unlucky type) that he was skinned first, raped second, then enjoyed with a glass of chardonnay.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 3:20 AM

FIZZIX

Raping dead people, where does that get fun?

--Pax... I did read it in both contexts. I just don't always make it clear when I do things like that. I'm just ... special like that.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:07 AM

ESTHER

I rather go for: there was an apple just beside Wash, and it grew into a big tree and he climbed up the tree into a magical land with unicorns and a harp, and he called it ... "this land"!

Esther (still sobing!)

My lessons learned from Firefly (no. 14):
Even a leaf in the wind can be speared. (sob!)

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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:13 AM

ISAACSHEPHERD

Wash may be dead, however I just felt the need to add this to the conversation...Joss is a genious and master of surprise. If we ever see more Serenity or Firefly I'm sure we'll see Wash in prequel mode or he may bring him back (against all odds, and yes I'm still in denial). But knowing Joss I think he could come up with some genious way of bringing him back that we could never think of, if he wanted to anyhow.

The Bible's a bit fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:17 AM

RIMGIRL

(Spoilers)

I think as long as there is something to chase, that's the Reavers main focus. Remember what Mal said in Serenity(pilot). So they were attacking the crew until River finished killing them all. They didn't have time to desecrate Wash's body before the Alliance arrived.

And Joss has said that Wash is coming back for the 2nd movie. (I believe. I believe. I believe.)
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Friday, August 4, 2006 7:47 AM

LISSA37

Quote:
Originally posted by Esther:
I rather go for: there was an apple just beside Wash, and it grew into a big tree and he climbed up the tree into a magical land with unicorns and a harp, and he called it ... "this land"!

Esther (still sobing!)

My lessons learned from Firefly (no. 14):
Even a leaf in the wind can be speared. (sob!)

I don't know whether to laugh or cry! In one sense, that's quite funny, especially if you think of the scenes it's based on. In another sense... it makes me want to bawl! Either way, it'd be perfect for our beloved pilot. How sweet! Thank you for that sentiment. <3

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"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar!" - Wash

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Friday, August 4, 2006 9:24 AM

ZOID

RimGirl:

Actually, what Joss said was that "Alan isn't finished with this cast, but Wash is definitely dead".

Others have interpreted this to mean that Tudyk may do some writing or directing. I, on the other hand, interpret it to mean that although Wash is dead, Alan will be playing a different role in the next movie...

So, I'm thinking a) twin brother, b) clone, or c) 'Wash' was a sophisticated robot and there's more than one of him. Think of a higher priced version of Lenore, which does piloting in addition to sexual entertainment (Zoe seemed to like it)...

The robot scenario, in particular, would explain Wash's reticence to father Zoe's child. He can't.

As to Wash getting Reaverized in Serenity, I have an interesting question that I have yet to see posted: Do you suppose Reavers chew every bite 30 times before swallowing? Gulping one's food leads to digestive problems and weight gain...

I reckon Reavers are pretty self-conscious about their girlish figures. "What are your thoughts, Hobson?"

Gastronomically,

zoid

P.S.
A riddle:
Q. What growls, then giggles; snarls, then laughs; rips your throat out with its teeth, then titters?

A. A Reaver with spongiform encephalopathy. (Or, 'A hyena', for the otherwise squeamish reader.)
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"I'm a leaf on the wind... Watch how I *skewer*!" -Hoban 'Wash (your hands before you eat!)' Washburne, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Friday, August 4, 2006 9:30 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Quote:
Actually, what Joss said was that "Alan isn't finished with this cast, but Wash is definitely dead".

I interpret that to mean flashbacks or something.

Oh, yes, one more thing...

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Friday, August 4, 2006 11:35 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

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Friday, August 4, 2006 1:32 PM

KINGKILLER

I agree that the Reavers would have ignored him because he was dead. However, I think they would have eaten him after taking care of the rest. But they'd probably be far more interested in the live prey.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:20 PM

GOUDA

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Originally posted by Fizzix:
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First, they're memorials. They didn't tote Book or Mr. Universe, and they have "graves" too.

If you watch the special features from serenity, mal does say Book was his freind and to strap him front and center when they were putting bodies on serenity. it was cut from the final version but it appears it was intended to have him there and would have been possible for all three bodies to be put into graves instead of just having memorials.

gouda

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Friday, August 4, 2006 7:19 PM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by Gouda:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fizzix:
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First, they're memorials. They didn't tote Book or Mr. Universe, and they have "graves" too.

If you watch the special features from serenity, mal does say Book was his freind and to strap him front and center when they were putting bodies on serenity. it was cut from the final version but it appears it was intended to have him there and would have been possible for all three bodies to be put into graves instead of just having memorials.

gouda

I hate to say this Gouda, but that was the blooper reel he said that in, and wasn't meant to appear in the final version. I have a REALLY hard time believing even Mal would do something like that to Book! Just thought I'd let a fellow Browncoat in on the secret.

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