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Is Firefly the best sci-fi series ever?

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Science fiction like everything else has grown up...

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
*FMF stands back in HORROR that Jolly is tired of the Firefly

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
*lol* You can't ask that question and then demand that everyone agree with you! This is a fanboard, but it's also a discussion board! Key element of discussion - differing points of view to discuss!

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Originally posted by singate:
That being said I would still put Farscape up against any sci-fi any day of the week. It may be over the top with the technology and aliens but it was still quite brilliant.

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Originally posted by zoid:
(Star Trek) is too utopian. No one struggles against their culture, its machines, and no one questions its ethical morality. That's the essence of science fiction.

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I recoil in horror because someone admitted Full House was a show worth obsessing over. I don't care how old you were that show just sucks.

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...That being said I would still put Farscape up against any sci-fi any day of the week. It may be over the top with the technology and aliens but it was still quite brilliant.

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Originally posted by zoid:
I'm reminded that BSG and Farscape both prominently feature characters that live in someone else's mind for at least a season or two: Scorpius/John and #6/Gaius.

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For those who suggested Babylon 5: Well, I guess it's different strokes for different folks. I thought the show was a complete mess.

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(of Farscape)
...Certainly by the 'Roadrunner v. Wile E. Coyote Cartoon' episode...

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Originally posted by ImNotHere:

Blake's 7 is certainly not the greatest show ever (if you haven't been immunized by watching sufficient Doctor Who then it will cause permanent harm) but it is an early (probably the first, on TV) example of the Farscape/Andromeda/Lexx/Firefly "misfits & criminals on a ship vs. the Establishment" genre. (I wonder if his Wheedon-nes was aware of it?)

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Originally posted by zoid:

Firefly is the only science fiction -- and near the idealistic pinnacle of storytelling, regardless of genre or medium -- to ever be aired on television.

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...Or Kosh/Sheridan in B5... (sorry)...

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The main appeal of Blake's 7 for me was the dynamics between the crew (especially Blake and Avon). For those unfamilar with the show, Blake plays a similar role to Mal, while Avon could perhaps be described as a (far) more intelligent version of Jayne

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Originally posted by zoid:


So bits may have rubbed off on me...

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
*FMF stands back in HORROR that Jolly is tired of the Firefly*




We are The Forsaken - We aim to burn! and we don't need no stinkin levels!

one of the Forsaken TM

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...(Firefly) certainly seems to portray a more realistic future, the sort you'd expect on far flung frontier worlds.
I'm kind of reminded of books like C.J. Cherryh's 'Hestia', or the Deathworld Trilogy. Both written about humanitys expansion, and what life may be like on frontier worlds...

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...It's difficult to see how it would have evolved though, and difficult to see how it would have ended. The crew weren't actually fighting the Alliance, just staying one step ahead - so it might have been difficult to have concluded the series. Although 'Serenity' the movie sees changing attitudes toward the Alliance, and it would be interesting to see how the crew evolves in the light of this...

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(Blake's 7) was one crew being pursued by the 'Federation', rather than the 'Alliance'. And a crew similar to Fireflys, in that each were in it for their own reasons...

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(The Law) is like going to Yellowstone Park and seeing one of those big bears that come up to your car as you drive through. 'Hey, look! It's Yogi and Boo-Boo!' (pause for effect) Just stay in your vehicle, don't feed it, and if you should happen to meet one in your campground, what ever you do, don't make direct eye contact with it, lest it come over, rip your arm off, and beat you to death with it, all in the name of good, clean Kodiak fun.

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But -- based on your brief synopsis of Blake's 7 and reading between the lines a bit -- Serenity is not a ship full of outlaws, cutthroats and revolutionaries. They are, as Joss himself has put it, simple folk trying to make their way through Life, and around the Law without unduly provoking It to give Its undivided attention to them.

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Not a fan of Buffy I take it?...

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I don't see that being "simple folk" and being outlaws is mutually exclusive. The crew have willingly and knowingly joined an enterprise which regularly pulls heists (including armed robbery in the movie) and runs contraband. Simon and River are already outlaws when we first meet them, though for reasons not of their own choosing. During Serenity's travels to the outer worlds, we see many other "regular folk" that apparently make a living through other means. Kaylee is something of an enigma to me; I understand why she stays with the crew, but I'm not completely clear why she would join in the first place (perhaps "knowingly" didn't apply in her case?).

I don't disagree that Whedon's crew is easier to identify with than those of some of the aforementioned shows, though I'm not convinced that every character in Blake's 7 was a psychopath (though I admittedly haven't seen the show in at least twelve years).

One similarity that Blake's 7, Farscape, and Serenity all have is that the protagonists acquire something that the powers that be desperately want, and which makes it inevitable that they will draw the attention of those powers. In the first two shows, the object is a powerful spaceship, while in Serenity it is River...

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You stuck a thorn in the Alliance's paw. That tickles me a bit. But it also means I got to step twice as fast to avoid them... And that means turning down plenty of jobs. Even honest ones.

Put this crew together with the promise of work...(metal clanking) Which the Alliance makes harder every year. Come a day there won't be room
for naughty men like us to slip about at all.

This job goes south, there well may not be another...

So here is us, on the raggedy edge.

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Originally posted by Darkfly:
I pretty much agree with you totally Dinalt.

Just remember Browncoats FOX are Oh Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze duh bun ur-tze(you don't want to know what that means but if you do go to Browncoats.com then go to the Chinese translations then to the episode Safe.

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Originally posted by zoid:
...if the Law gets bent on occasion, that behavior never compromises Mal's ultimate law, his own sense of right and wrong.
(NB: ...With one exception. Care to name it?)

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P.S.
I still don't understand why it's assumed that The Sino-Anglo Alliance consists of Chinese and American co-hegemony; "Anglo" means English, and at least one major capitol is named Londinium, the capitol of England's ancient Roman name...

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