River vs. Buffy, who do you think win? by fireflycv63

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River vs. Buffy, who do you think win?

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:50 PM

I am siding more with River, because she would
likely know what Buffy would be planning to do
before she does it. What do ya'll think?

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:27 PM

MAROS

Well she did seem to know what direction every single attack that both a bar full of people made (although they mainly just got beaten) as well as room full of angsty reavers, none of which provided any kind of issue at all. Hell, i'm of the belief that if the Operative hadn't told the alliance troops to stand down, they would of gotten their asses handed to them as well. It'd still be an interesting fight mind.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:30 PM

MYSTRE

I think your right...but to play the devils advocate I think its Buffy.

Buffy should be able to handle anything River would throw at her, and with River knowing that Buffy would never back down and never stop no matter how beaten up she was, River would know there was no way for her to beat Buffy and therefore would let Buffy win.

Did we do this topic once before? I'm having big time deja-vu

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:39 PM

COPILOT

We have gone over this a few times but threads get lost and newbies come aboard. Also the last one got wierd I think Chuck Norris was mentioned.(Oh wait that was the great ninjas vs pirates debate) I think Joss said they'd beat each other good but Buffy would come out on top cause of the super powers.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:40 PM

PETERWAITZMAN

I have to go with Buffy for the measurable reasons. As a slayer (and now I've only seen maybe 3 episodes of Buffy total), but it's pretty apparent that she has supernatural abilities... things like jumping over fences, nearly flying, superhuman strength. River is just a person that is incredibly trained and conditioned. Beyond her psychic ability, she has no distinct advantage than a well-trained Navy SEAL. Even knowing Buffy's moves before hand would only give a meager advantage at best. For example, if Buffy were to plan out her moves and tell them before a fight, she would still be disadvantaged because of the constraints of human movement.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:46 PM

LANCER

Jack Bauer would win, seriously though, River Tam hands down no contest.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:02 PM

FIREFLYFAN278

It's not even close. River is a trained killer with psychic powers. Remember she warned Jayne, I can kill you with my brain. She has powers we haven't even seen yet.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:06 PM

THIEFJEHAT

It's a tough call. I'll say that if river is in her right mind she'd win.

If she's off picking up sticks that are shaped like guns and saying crazy stuff, Buffy will mince her.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:10 PM

MYSTRE

Quote:
Originally posted by fireflyfan278:
It's not even close. River is a trained killer with psychic powers. Remember she warned Jayne, I can kill you with my brain. She has powers we haven't even seen yet.

But would she even know how to kill a slayer? I mean while she might be able to take out the human part of the equation she shouldn't have any idea how to deal with or defeat slayer powers. Plus the slayer powers should be able to stop River from doing to many mind tricks - remember what happened to Count Dracula when he tried his powers vs. slayer powers?

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:15 PM

OPTIMUS1998

Quote:
Originally posted by MystrE:
...remember what happened to Count Dracula when he tried his powers vs. slayer powers?

Yeah, NOTHING!!
she was completely under his thrall, and in the end she couldn;t even kill him!
after she "dusted" him, he just reformed from the smokey stuff...

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:21 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by optimus1998:
Quote:
Originally posted by MystrE:
...remember what happened to Count Dracula when he tried his powers vs. slayer powers?

Yeah, NOTHING!!
she was completely under his thrall, and in the end she couldn;t even kill him!
after she "dusted" him, he just reformed from the smokey stuff...

My point is that even when the human was lost the slayer power won, even in a contest against inhuman psycic powers.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:26 PM

THIEFJEHAT

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Originally posted by MystrE:
Plus the slayer powers should be able to stop River from doing to many mind tricks - remember what happened to Count Dracula when he tried his powers vs. slayer powers?

Those were psychic powers Dracula directed against buffy. We have no solid proof that River can direct a psychic attack on anyone save her statement "I can kill you with my brain" which cannot be proven.

All we know for certain about her is that she can observe the world in a different way. She's a reader.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:54 PM

MILFORD

I think we've all missed a big one here. I agree that Buffy's physical/mystical abilities would put her at an advantage in those categories, but River has an advantage that would put her over the top. She's PSYCHIC remember? She'd know what's coming before it came. That give her the advantage.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:21 PM

ROCKETJOCK

This reminds me of the classic comic book debate, "Who would win in a race, Superman or The Flash?"

There've been races and re-matches galore over the decades, usually manipulated by the writers to end in a draw. But the fan concensus is that The Flash is faster for relatively short distances ("Once around the Earth at the Equator -- 3,2,1, Go!"), while Superman's infinite stamina would give him the edge in a longer race ("Three laps around the Ringworld, no fair flying over Fist-of-God mountain.")

Buffy has superhuman strength and stamina; River has no physical superpowers, except (perhaps) an ability to tap her hysteric strength in the manner of certain martial arts masters or berzerker warriors. Otherwise she's no stronger than a normal human of her size, build, and training. She does seem to have an abnormally high level of stamina, but no more than that of an olympic-level athlete. Advantage Buffy.

However, River's ability to anticipate Buffy's moves combined with her (slightly) superior martial arts skills would give her an undeniable edge in the early phases of the fight; especially if River struck first. I think River would win if the battle was short and sweet; but if she didn't manage a quick knockout Buffy's augmented physical abilities would eventually swing the tide of battle her way.

Please note that if Buffy wasn't a highly trained warrior in her own right (and especially one used to fighting extrahuman opponents), her extra physical abilities wouldn't be enough to ensure her a win. Powerful as she is, Buffy isn't stronger than a roomful of reavers.

I could be wrong, of course. But either way, I'd pay $3.99 to see it on pay-per-view.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:53 PM

EVILDINOSAUR

It's hard to say, River is definitely more aware and probably more or at least equally as agile, but buffy is probably stronger and can probably take more of a beating.

It's really hard to say, it kinda depends on the situation, where they are, what's at stake, what weapons are available. Like if River has a gun, Buffy's dead lol.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:15 PM

MAROS

What about those sessions? Are we counting them here? Couse that doctor she's talking to dies in a very similar way to those who were killed by the blue hands in Ariel.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:32 AM

MRSELLARS

Quote:
Originally posted by Lancer:
Jack Bauer would win, seriously though, River Tam hands down no contest.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, Jack always wins...

MHO, River. But, I'm not a Buffy fan in the least...Of course, as noted above, if the mastermind behind them says it would be the blonde, there you have it.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:25 AM

SERENITYSLITTLEANGEL

When I read the question first, I thought - "River, hands down". In a one round bout, River would definitely beat the Buffster with graceful ease, but in a longer fight, it would be more difficult for her. Buffy's very resilient, and she wouldn't give up quickly. Also, she has the whole Slayer strength and skill thing going on. However, I reckon that River's psychic powers give her the upper hand. She'd still win, just a little slower.

Plus, there's no way Buffy could kick a guy in the head around a pole. River's more flexible. It's gonna have to be her.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:27 AM

PIEKY

Look at it piece by piece.
granted, buffy is likely stronger due to her....enhancements.
Speed wont be much of a factor as River will alrdy know wot is comin.
Basic fighting styles. Buffy is a brawler compared to River. River has technique and grace which Buffy doesnt. Tech and grace always wins over power.
Mentality. Ok they both kill and hav dealt with it, but River just does it...no questiones asked. Buffy would likely hav doubts about kill a mantally ill child. One moment of doubt for her would be her death
And like i sed River is a killer, pure and simple. U watch her fightin the reavers and every blow and cut is to kill or incapacitate.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:31 AM

SPACECOWGIRL

Well River is tough, but Buffy can take a lot of pummeling with hardly a bruise. I think Buffy would outlast River and win in the end.
Besides, Buffy lasted 7 seasons even though she died (twice). And River, not so much.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:31 AM

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:47 AM

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Buffy, unless River were really fighting for something. Buffy may not have the training but she's got super-strength and can take way more of a beating than River.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:09 AM

FREELANCEPILOT

Ok, i wanted to put my two cents in.
First of all, Buffy has strength on her side. While most Martial arts will tell you that strength is beaten by technique, there are a few caveats to that arguement.
First, there is a reason martial artists fight in weight classes. even in the UFC or Muay Thai fights, you tend to fight people of you size, because that makes your strengths comparable. I have trained for a while, but will all that training, i could not beat my friend who is less trained but far larger than myself. His strength means he needs to have only a few successful shots before he wins. We really don't see river taking many hits, so there is no way to judge her chin. Edge: Buffy.
Secondly, River does have the psychic thing. There are two things that bug me though. A well trained fighter doesn't have to think about a move, their bodies simply know how to act. Buffy did train a lot. I don't understand why people say otherwise. She trained to kick knives out of the air in front of her. or catch arrows. I can say for a fact that catching arrows from a compound bow or cross bow is IMPOSSIBLE for a human to do, so point buffy on that. However, even if river could read the mind and respond, that doesn't mean she blocks well. If you are facing a incredibly fast opponent, you may know what is coming but not be fast enough to do it. Sometimes you know what is coming and can't do anything but brace for a hit. Even so, i have sparred against people stronger than i in a muay thai fight and can say that there are situations where blocking hurts, and over the course of a fight, blocking becomes almost as bad as taking the hit, because of the pain. Edge: Even.
River does have better training than buffy though. Sadly, we don't know how river fights in a solo situation. As Andre The Giant told us in The Princess Bride, you use different moves when you are fighting half a dozen people.
I love river guys. I like her more than i like buffy, but i might have to give Buffy this one.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:35 AM

SNOFI

you're all stupid. course river would win. stuff buffys 'super human strength.' one: river is a ship two: mind powers anyone? and three:...i've run out but still, river could whip buffy with her eyes closed. go river!

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:30 AM

KUANGZHEDE

Good Thread...these things are always enjoyable. While Buffy is enhanced and all that Jazz, I am going to have to pull for River. While being a "reader" is important, it is not the real reason why I think she would win. While Buffy is increadibly durable, and does well in one on one fights, River is a force of nature like a tornado or earthquake. When she goes off, be somewhere else. River is a killing "machine"...I stress machine here. Buffy may fight the undead and all sorts of super natural characters but she would have died in that room with the reavers...a very unpleasant and llllloooooonnnnngggggg death with all the innapropriate events occuring. I am suprised that everyone is focusing on the mind reading powers of River...what about here super freak brain before it got messed with. The ability for her to adapt and take out rooms like I take out the trash may have very little to do with her "reading" ability and more with her ability to anything. Buffy always seems like she fights guys who are too busy running up, looking cool, and getting slapped away.

While we have only gotten a taste of River, everybody assumes that she is fluid in her style of fighting. However, being a "Dyed in wool killer, clean, cold, and methodical." (Thanks Gary) I see River having no qualms about throttling Buffy's chest and jamming her thumbs through the back of her skull.

Speaking of Gary O, what about a fight between Leeloo, Buffy, and River.

Main Event: Lee "the fighting 5th Element" Loo, River "Master of the 'verse" Tam, and Buffy "I wish I had a clue" Summers.

This is a list of characters without unatural physical power who may possibly be able to take Tam down.

1- Brock Samson - Swedish Murder Machine
2- Batman (used to fighting multiple eneimies, gadjets, and ballistic armor)
3- Marv from Sin City- Mickey Rourke can take punishment anyways.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:38 AM

CEDRIC

Just to be contrary, I'm going to argue for the mighty Buffster.

First, as has been pointed out, Buffy is a brawler while River has elegant technique. If we've learned anything from television--and we have--we know that brawlers always win over people with better technique. I mean, look at Shindig--as my friend the fencing master commented, "Just once, I'd like to see the expert swordsman win, like would happen in the real world." But that never does happen on television, which is where both characters exist. Thus, Buffy the brawler wins.

Second, I want to refute the arguments based on claims that River has made about her powers. Sure, River said, "I can kill you with my brain." But she was addressing Jayne, not Buffy, so we can't take that as evidence that she can kill anyone other than Jayne with her brain. For all we know, she meant, "I can outsmart you, leaving you in a pile of your own blood, because you look good in red."

And yes, River said, "No power in the 'verse can stop me." The important term here is "'verse," which refers to the Firefly universe. Buffy, being from the Buffyverse, is by definition excluded from that statement.

Third, River might pull a gun on Buffy. Whether that would work is doubtful; I suspect it would simply lead to the death of another much-loved Scooby gang member. (No! Not Willow! Take Dawn instead!)

Fourth, River would no doubt win in an initial fight, but Buffy would keep coming back. During the showdown in the last 15 minutes of the season finale, Willow would hack into the Alliance mainframe, and Xander or Giles would rush to Buffy's rescue with the right magic words to put River to sleep.

A reflection: I'd bet my money on the crew of Serenity over the Scooby gang any day. Guns, guns, guns.

A further reflection: If this fight is on pay-per-view, it will probably involve jello, hot oil, and/or ripped-up bikinis. It will cost more than $3.99, and I'll watch it from my bunk.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:49 AM

AMYLISAI

Let's get if from Joss himself:

There was an interview with Australian television or something in which Joss was asked this question. He hemmed a little bit and said he'd been asked this before and here's what he thinks:

The fight would be well-matched but in the end Buffy would win because she has super-powers. Except then Jayne would hit her in the head with a frying pan.

That's exactly what he said :) I just don't know how to paste the source in here (if anyone has more time and wants to google it, go ahead). I thought he came up with a very nice compromise :)

Cheers, Amylisai

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:57 AM

MRSELLARS

Quote:
Originally posted by amylisai:
Let's get if from Joss himself:
The fight would be well-matched but in the end Buffy would win because she has super-powers. Except then Jayne would hit her in the head with a frying pan.

So...It would appear that the real answer to the question of who would win, River VS. Buffy, is Jayne.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:59 AM

SIGMANUNKI

I think everyone here that is talking about River's Psychic abilities is missing a crutial factor:

We don't know the extent of her abilities.

If we take it from the series, we don't even know if she is psychic or just extrememly intuitive.

Also, and more importantly, in the series, she never showed the ability to actively read peoples minds. In fact, when ever she did do a stabby stabby, it was with the element of surprise. So, no mind reading necessary.

If we take it from the movie, again we don't know the extent of her abilites.

She as well, as not shown the ability to actively read minds.

In the end fight scene, she does kick ass, but that isn't necessarily the result of mind reading. Anyone that has taken martial arts seriously will know that to every fight there is a flow. If you obey and use the flow, you do well. If you fight the flow, you don't do well.

River has only demonstrated the ability to follow the flow really really well.

Now onto the Buffy vs River debate.

Everyone remember the uber Vamp? How about Buffy going against a God and winning? Or...

Buffy has superior physical abilities as well as superior experience.

Given that River is just a human and Buffy has been endowed with super powers, given the above, Buffy would certainly win.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:23 AM

WOLFPOET

River would read Buffy's mind and know every move she was going to make- and as gifted as Buffy is, River is unbeatable, if triggered.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:37 AM

LOSTDOG

No question, River would win.
But maybe they could mud wrestle?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:48 AM

FLF

Well actually - tbh I think Buffy would win. I have several reasons for this.

1) Buffy has super-powers. We all know this - she is stronger by far than River, has the abiltity to heal quickly, and inherent righting abilities.

2) Buffy has had 7 yrs training at martial arts etc.etc. whereas River can have had AT MOST around 1 1/2 yrs (I think?).

3) Buffy has (i'm afraid to say) beaten enemies far greater than River inc. Glory - who was a God for one thing, the Mayor (who was a giant snake-thing at the time) Adam, who was very intelligent (in a deranged way). Mostly- just think of all the Big Bad's. Most of them could probably have killed River in the same position.

4) Joss Whedon says so. I think we have to go with him. Unless of course Jane is involved.

However - it wouldn't be an easy fight. I think River would do particularly well in the early stages of the fight - however i think Buffy can take more hits overall - and would win eventually.
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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:56 AM

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Ah, the "who would win?" thread. A staple of geek forums everywhere :)

I agree that Buffy would have the edge since she can take more damage and can heal. River is a creature of extraordinary grace, and she has the I-can-kill-you-with-my-brain thing going for her, but at the end of the day she'll be the first to get tired and hurt.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:57 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Given that River is just a human and Buffy has been endowed with super powers, given the above, Buffy would certainly win.

I definitely agree. A point on the psychic thing - We had a guy come in to do some martial arts consulting for our student film we're working on (No, it's not Firefly based - I didn't write the script.). He would tell you exactly what he was going to do, and then do it. I don't care what happened, there was no way of stopping him from doing that. If he wanted to kick my sorry butt, he could tell me every little move he would use, and then do it. Knowing about it before hand wouldn't help me a bit.

Personally, I was never a Buffy fan. But she would take River no problem.

Side note - unless there's already one going, I think I should start a thread to discuss River's psychic abilities. Let me know if there already is one.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:09 AM

SIGMANUNKI

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

she has the I-can-kill-you-with-my-brain thing going for her

Are you sure about that?

I mean, the only thing that we actually know about this is that she said that to Jayne. Which was, in all likeliness, designed to scare him (which certainly worked

). This was, after all, when her and Simon found out about Jayne's dealings during Ariel.

So, I wouldn't take this literally.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by amylisai:
Let's get if from Joss himself:

There was an interview with Australian television or something in which Joss was asked this question. He hemmed a little bit and said he'd been asked this before and here's what he thinks:

The fight would be well-matched but in the end Buffy would win because she has super-powers. Except then Jayne would hit her in the head with a frying pan.

That's exactly what he said :) I just don't know how to paste the source in here (if anyone has more time and wants to google it, go ahead). I thought he came up with a very nice compromise :)

Cheers, Amylisai

Yeah, in the Jossverse, something funny like that would always happen.
I would have to say tha Buffy would win in a fight because she could go for the long haul and is way stronger, physically, then River. It would probably go down like this, River would block all of Buffy's punches and kicks till she was worn out and then Buffy would put one well placed fist across her temple and that would be it. Then out of knowhere, Jayne, the Hero of Canton, hammer fists her on the top of the head.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:08 AM

LOSTDOG

Okay, Buffy may have super human powers, but I would venture to say that River was super human her own self. Plus, we have yet to see her other abilities. If she told me she could kill me with her brain, I might tend to believe her. So there we have it, River would kill Buffy with her brain before a fight would even ensue.( I know what you are thinking, why didn't she just use her brain in the movie against all those reavers? The answer is that she was tired of sleeping and felt like doing something.)

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:32 AM

BENDAS

i think that willow v river would be a fairer fight (evil willow (the best and coolest from buffy)

and willows better than river

there are 2 girls in full metal panic tsr just like river with and one looks just like her

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:32 AM

BENDAS

i think that willow v river would be a fairer fight (evil willow (the best and coolest from buffy)

and willows better than river

there are 2 girls in full metal panic tsr just like river with and one looks just like her

i turned to anime and manga when i've been away from firefly fans for the last 2 months

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:26 PM

FREDGIBLET

I'd have to say that hand-to-hand it would be a toss-up. I think River has superior skills (by a wide margin) but Buffy has supernatural strength and toughness (instead of just extraordinary STR and CON). I think that River gets more hits in but Buffy wins by attrition.

On the other hand, if you toss a knife into the ring River wins hands down.

I think that everyone here has made a little bit too much of River's psychic powers. There is no actual proof of her powers being anything more than the ability to read minds and see little clips of the future, and the future seeing doesn't seem to be directed (i.e. she can't decide to see what Buffy is going to do, if she was lucky she might catch a glimpse but that's all). But that's just my opinion, the only person who knows is Joss (and he agrees with my assessment apparently).

P.S. when Jayne goes to hit Buffy, Angel goes to hit Jayne.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:32 PM

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River, hands down.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:39 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

I'd put all my money on River.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:00 PM

PIK

I was a bigger Buffy fan - during my enitre stint of highschool - than I care to admit! Mainly because I was in love with Sarah Michelle Gellar.

At that time I'd have said Buffy would thrash River... mainy because I'd never heard of River then. Now however, I'd have to say that River would indeed spread Buffy all up and down the walls! And I mean that in the nicest possible way with all the respect in the world for Buffy hehe.

Not only would this be the case coz River is just a badass assassin, but as stated earlier: she would know exactly what Buffy was thinking and planning on before she did it.

River 1
Buffy 0

Then they'll go out for drinks afterwards

I wonder if fighting makes River horny too?

(the buffy fans will get that

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:55 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by PIK:

I wonder if fighting makes River horny too?
(the buffy fans will get that )

We would if we were talking about Faith and not Buffy.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:37 PM

PIK

Faith: God, I could eat a horse. Isn't it crazy how slayin' just always
makes you hungry and horny?

Buffy: Well... Sometimes I-I crave a nonfat yogurt afterwards.

Due to the hastey and unconfident manner of Buffy's response, I'd assume she just didn't want to admit she feels the same as Faith. At least thats how I interprated the dialogue. Each viewer is different I guess.

"... ... Yup. That went well."

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:58 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by PIK:
Faith: God, I could eat a horse. Isn't it crazy how slayin' just always
makes you hungry and horny?

Buffy: Well... Sometimes I-I crave a nonfat yogurt afterwards.

Due to the hastey and unconfident manner of Buffy's response, I'd assume she just didn't want to admit she feels the same as Faith. At least thats how I interprated the dialogue. Each viewer is different I guess.

"... ... Yup. That went well."

What I got from that is that Faith was acting "adult" whereas Buffy was into the whole doing good thing b/c that's just what you do. That Buffy had to say something and that's what came out.

These aren't two adults talking. They are still teenagers that, in Faith's case, are trying to act like an adult, and in Buffy's case, trying to be accepted.

At least that's how I saw it.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:27 AM

PIK

Exactly, they're teenagers. Adolescents = always thinking about sex

Joke hehe.
Seriously though, as I said: each viewer is different in their interpretation of some things.
And at that I shall leave it

...River still wins and that's the important thing.

"... ... Yup. That went well."

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:49 AM

ELDUSTO

I still think Jayne would win with the Hammerfist over Buffy's head in the end.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:56 AM

PIK

I think Jayne would just bust out Vera and finish them all off

"... ... Yup. That went well."

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:03 AM

ELDUSTO

Quote:
Originally posted by PIK:
I think Jayne would just bust out Vera and finish them all off

"... ... Yup. That went well."

Having Jayne hammerfist Buffy over the head just seems to have that Joss type of humor all over it. I can see it now, Buffy standing over an uncontious River. Tired and bruised, then just as she catches her breath and starts to walk away, Jayne shows up out of the shadows and hammerfists her over the head and says something witty based on something said when River and Buffy fought, then commercial.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:07 AM

PIK

hahahahahaa I can see it too, Gold

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