So let's say Joss brings it back... by Adamwankenobi

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So let's say Joss brings it back...

POSTED BY: ADAMWANKENOBI
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 07:01
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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:31 PM

Firefly fans have seen the series so many times and say they want more (myself included). But what if it did come back, but it turned into a similar situation that George Lucas got into after he returned his film series from hiatus. Star Wars fans had seen the original films so many times, that they held Lucas to certain extreme standards of quality that were not met. Although Lucas did his best to put out an enjoyable product, the result was basically apalling to his fans. This event turned the entire Star Wars fandom into a generally sour group of people. So far, the FF fanbase has been THE BEST group of people I've ever encountered, but I'm afraid that the same thing that happened to Star Wars might happen to the Firefly fanbase if the series ever comes back.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:52 PM

BIGDAMNTEXAN

Hey AWK.
I'm thinkin' if they decide to put back on air and Joss follow's his concept(which we know he would) ,& he pick's up where we left off.
I personally don't believe it would or could ever goe bad,
I could be wrong , but I seriously doubt it!
I think if we keep fighting and keep pushing we'll find out!
Joss swings and hits it outta the park!!!
But that's my belief.

'love keeps her in the air when she outta fall down"
Mal-

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:01 PM

LISSA37

You have a good point, but I think "Serenity" (the movie, not the pilot) already proved that it can come back. And, it didn't go bad at all. It was slightly different, but it was still very well-received and of excellent quality. Fans welcomed it with open arms and it was successful. Granted, that was a rather brief hiatus (compared to Star Wars, at least). But, still.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:06 PM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by bigdamntexan:
Hey AWK.
I'm thinkin' if they decide to put back on air and Joss follow's his concept(which we know he would) ,& he pick's up where we left off.
I personally don't believe it would or could ever goe bad,
I could be wrong , but I seriously doubt it!
I think if we keep fighting and keep pushing we'll find out!
Joss swings and hits it outta the park!!!
But that's my belief.

'love keeps her in the air when she outta fall down"
Mal-

Well said. Wasn't that well said?

I believe Joss is a MUCH better Writer/Director, than George. I don't think Joss would ever steer Firefly in the wrong direction. Whatever Joss comes up with will be just as good if not BETTER than Firefly season one.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 5:10 PM

BIGDAMNTEXAN

Hi Lissa37 !
Yea, exactly!
If we can keep growing bigger, keep pushing and keep the faith,I think we can create a snowball effect and just keep it going.
Would'nt that be all kinds of shiny!

"well were still flyin'"-Mal
"that's not much"-Simon
"that's enough"-Mal

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:28 PM

WTE

I believe there will be lots of people who don't like it as much, if only because of nostalgia, but having followed Joss for 8ish years now, I would trust that man with my life. If he were writing it, that is. Actually, if he wrote it, he'd make me miserable, so, never mind.

Um, what was my point? Oh yeah, I think Joss would continue making TV of the same caliber, though there will always be naysayers.

HONKS

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:29 PM

POEANDFAITH

Well...I think we have some differences between Joss and George in this aspect.

Joss won't edit the BDM so Mal doesn't shoot first.

Joss will stay faithful, and write great characters we want to root for. (I so wanted Jar Jar to die...)

Although, does anyone one else kinda wanna see Wash Vader-styled? Left for dead, the Reavers rebuilt him. Stronger. More robo limbs. All bad-ass, and having an amazing return to the 'Verse.

"Mal never told you what happened to your Husband, did he Zoe?"
"He told me enough! You Reavers killed him!"
"No Zoe...I am your husband..."
"OH NOOOOOOOOOOOES!"

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:42 PM

ZZETTA13

Heading for my bunk but I just wanted to say the possibility of the show coming back and being a failure is a real one. But then again the possibility of the shows return and becoming a block-busting,mega-crunching hit could happen too. The fact is the series will have to return for us to find out.

Z

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:26 PM

LEANNA

i think it would be great to hear of the series coming back, like everyone here, i'm sure, my tv viewing has been somewhat empty since firefly stopped. but perhaps the movie took us too far ahead of where the series left off... there would have to be endless backstories to fill in the months we missed (i'm sure most people, like myself, basically just wanna know what the hell book was up to, amoung many other question i have), and it worked for Angel, but could backstories work for firefly, and would we be satisfied if there weren't any?...

don't get me wrong, i'd trust joss with looking after my most precious possession, my firefly box set (haha, lame joke i know), but is it better to keep it as possibly the best memory of television we have, or bring it back and it fall just that tiniest bit short?

Ah, the pitter-patter of tiny feet in combat boots. Shut up!!

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:49 AM

ADAMWANKENOBI

Quote:
I believe Joss is a MUCH better Writer/Director, than George.

George Lucas is to writing as William Shatner is to acting/directing.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:10 AM

RIMGIRL

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George Lucas is to writing as William Shatner is to acting/directing.

That's harsh...funny...and true.
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Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:57 AM

DONCOAT

So let's say Joss brings it back...

Yes! Yes! Let's say that! All together now...

Joss brings it back!

Joss brings it back!

Joss brings it back!

Ah, that felt good.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:14 AM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by Adamwankenobi:
Although Lucas did his best to put out an enjoyable product,

Except that he didn't do his best.

Lucas admitted that his dialogue was wooden and clumsy, and that his characters weren't realistic. He didn't feel that it mattered to the film.

By extension, he didn't seem to feel that his audience in general, and us fans in particular, were worth the effort it would've taken to get a script-doctor, or conceal plot points to build suspense, or build actual sets for the actors to interact with, or any one of a dozen things he could've done that would've improved the final product.

It's these decisions that I can't see Joss ever making. Joss isn't just a film-maker, he's a Storyteller, and good Storytellers always fix the little details.

It's about love. If you really love something, you tinker with it, revise it, go over it so often that you know every nut, bolt, and scratch in the panelling. Love means putting effort into something even when you don't have to, and that effort translates as attention to detail.

Lucas loves spectacle, and all his movies have the greatest effects he can give them. Every shot perfectly framed, every pixel showing off. Lucas is about showing us things we've never seen before, and that's what he does best. (In fact, one of the biggest problems with RotS is that it shows too much, giving away the big reveals in the original trilogy --reveals that give the entire saga its emotional weight.)

Joss loves the Story. The characters, the relationships, the way their surroundings express and affect them --I don't think Joss is capable of making something as ham-fistedly showy as the SW prequels.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:47 AM

LWAVES

One of the biggest problems I had with the Star Wars prequels was that Lucas hadn't directed a movie since the orginal A New Hope.
I know he'd produced many films and probably had a large hand in the creation and development of them - but he hadn't directed.
In my mind he was still making movies like it was the 70's and 80's.

For comparison look at TV shows back then to now.
Most episodes had a happy ending (or at least by the end of a two-parter).
Very few standalone episodes ended with a cliffhanger and the end of a season certainly did not.
Today it's almost expected to have the twists and cliffhangers (Lost, 24, X-Files to name a few).
Lucas couldn't distinguish the difference, he never seemed to realize that a lot of his main audience would now be adults not the kids we were back them.

If Joss keeps working and directing I don't think he will have a problem if the 'Verse ever came back in some form. He has respect for the fans and knows without them there is nothing.
Lucas on the other hand knew that his prequels would make money. People would watch whatever he put out there. It reminds me of a Star Trek quote I read once about one of the games and the same now applies to Star Wars.

"You could put a piece dog go-se in a box and put a Star Trek logo on it and it would sell by the millions."

Lucas lost his way, let's hope Joss doesn't.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:15 PM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.

Quote:
Originally posted by Adamwankenobi:
Quote:
I believe Joss is a MUCH better Writer/Director, than George.

George Lucas is to writing as William Shatner is to acting/directing.

I must protest! No matter how you feel about William Shatner's acting skills (and let's not even mention that so-called "singing"

), at least Shatner is more than willing to laugh at himself. He knows he's no L. Olivier and he revels in it; he knows "Star Trek" wasn't Shakespeare and it doesn't bother him at all.

Meanwhile, George Lucas takes himself WAY too seriously.

And yes, Joss is MUCH better.

"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:18 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Quote:
Originally posted by SAVEWASH:

I must protest! No matter how you feel about William Shatner's acting skills (and let's not even mention that so-called "singing" ), at least Shatner is more than willing to laugh at himself. He knows he's no L. Olivier and he revels in it; he knows "Star Trek" wasn't Shakespeare and it doesn't bother him at all.

Meanwhile, George Lucas takes himself WAY too seriously.

And yes, Joss is MUCH better.

Yup. I have to agree with that. His roast on Comedy Central (or the 15 minutes I saw, anyway) was really something.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:28 PM

BAD2VERSE

Quote:
Originally posted by SAVEWASH:

I must protest! No matter how you feel about William Shatner's acting skills (and let's not even mention that so-called "singing" ), at least Shatner is more than willing to laugh at himself. He knows he's no L. Olivier and he revels in it; he knows "Star Trek" wasn't Shakespeare and it doesn't bother him at all.

Meanwhile, George Lucas takes himself WAY too seriously.

And yes, Joss is MUCH better.

I LOVED Shatner on (I believe it was SNL) when he pointed to the guy wearing spock ears and said, "You, Have you ever even kissed a woman??" (The guy's shaking his head "no")

I 'bout busted a gut...

My Other Fav Startrek moment was when Gene Roddenberry was talking about "Trekkies" at a convention and someone in the crowd yelled "TREKKERS!".. Gene said, "Don't tell ME what they're called! I INVENTED the damned thing!"

BTW, Shatner owns a CASTLE up in Kentucky.. actually it's a 360 acre horse ranch, but the kids love to point at it when we travel in that area to see family.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:33 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

"So let's say Joss brings it back..."

... and there will be much rejoicing throughout the 'verse, and much thrown confetti.

... we will finally be able to honor him with his own statue (stole this from another thread, something about a statue for FMF?).

... I've only done two, but I've already run out of good ideas.

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I'm a trouble-maker; Kaneman said so!

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:58 PM

BIGWOLF18

Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:
Whatever Joss comes up with will be just as good if not BETTER than Firefly season one.

it will only be any good if it is set between the movie and the series, because, firefly without wash and book isnt worth it.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:35 PM

RMMC

Quote:
Originally posted by bigwolf18:
Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:
Whatever Joss comes up with will be just as good if not BETTER than Firefly season one.

it will only be any good if it is set between the movie and the series, because, firefly without wash and book isnt worth it.

I think I'll beg to differ with this. The thing that Joss is outstanding at, as a storyteller, is remembering that nothing in life is static. Folks grow and change, the world around them does, too, and people die. Where the real storytelling comes in is still making it work, not by ignoring that they were ever there, but by showing how the loss changes those left behind.

I want to see Zoe struggle day to day, while missing her husband and I want to see if she just hides it all, or if the family the crew has become will allow her to open up and express her loss in some other way than we saw in the BDM.

I want to see Mal about to do something well off center morality-wise and then reconsider when someone points out that Shepherd Book would have had a cow (insert joke here) if they'd have done that when he was alive/onboard. I also want to see who Mal will go to for guidence when he's in a quandry. He needs to bounce things off someone who doesn't answer to him. Will it be Inara? Simon? River?

It's these little things that mushroom into the larger picture and what ends up mattering most. That is something Lucas has never figured out and never will. (That and Lucas writes the suckiest dialogue in Hollywood.)

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:37 PM

ADAMWANKENOBI

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I must protest! No matter how you feel about William Shatner's acting skills (and let's not even mention that so-called "singing" ), at least Shatner is more than willing to laugh at himself. He knows he's no L. Olivier and he revels in it; he knows "Star Trek" wasn't Shakespeare and it doesn't bother him at all.

Meanwhile, George Lucas takes himself WAY too seriously.

And yes, Joss is MUCH better.

Can I get an Amen?

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Friday, August 25, 2006 5:37 AM

INTERL0PER

RMMC, you hit the nail on the head. I don't want a Firefly Season 1.5, I want to see characters grow and change, friends come and go, while that which matters goes on -- Love keeps her flyin'. The characters are just so real it grabs hold of you in a place television so rarely does. That's the essence of Firefly I hope we never lose.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 6:04 AM

TEACHDAIRE

Yes, but also don't forget that there was also a 20 year technology gap between the first Star Wars trilogy and the newer films. Lucas relied too much on cutting edge tech, and not quite enough on story and character building (he tried to wow us with effects, and so made a half assed job of the writing). That's why the recent Star Wars films died a death, they relied too much on what was not important. As for FF, Joss deliberately went low tech, so even when it does come back, there'll still be the same level of effects, and better writing (Joss never was one for bleeding edge effects, despite some of those in Buffy and Angel, There were still guys in rubber suits in a lot of them).

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Friday, August 25, 2006 7:01 AM

ESTHER

Yea, characters grow and change - not always to their better. That's what Joss does. The things, they experience, change them, and they never can go back to where they were in season one.

That's quality and that's what makes it real, but at the same time, it scares me a bit at the thought of more Firefly.

Look at Angel, look at Buffy. Everybody changed, and at the end, they weren't the characters, they used to be (with the exception of Xander, maybe). I fear, that if Joss would make more seasons of FF, we will loose some more of the charakters (not by death, but by them loosing themselfs). And that would make me soooo sad! I could just imagine that: Mal and Inara really getting fed up with eachother, Kaylee lossing her cheerfulness, Zoe pulling back from the crew, Simon hating his sister, Jayne selling out the crew to some whoon dan. Joss could do that, I reckon, and I'd be really sad.

But then again, it probably could end my dreadful obsession with FF and I could start LIVING again!

Esther

Love my captain!

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